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  • Digital Archaeology: Codex (Floppy Disk) #8 (part 12)

    A summary for those that haven’t been keeping up with this series:

    I found a bunch of 5.25″ disks at a thrift store a number of years ago. I finally got around to acquring a 5.25″ disk drive and extracting the contents a while back. Since then I have been posting the contents here.

    Based on the contents, at least some of these disks were apparently once owned by someone named Connie A. Buys who used to run the “Close Encounters” Special Interest Group (SIG) on Delphi in the mid 1980s.

    A specific definition of this SIG was found in a previous document on one of the disks: “This SIG, known as “Close Encounters”, is a forum for the discussion of relationships that develop via computer services like the Source, CompuServe, and Delphi. Our primary emphasis is on the sexual aspects of those relationships.”

    Everything was text based from whatever terminal program you used to dial in to Delphi’s servers. Many of these disks have forum messages, e-mails and chat session logs. All of this is pre-internet stuff and I don’t know if there are any archives in existence today of what was on Delphi in the 1980s. In any case, much of this stuff would have been private at the time and some of it is quite personal.

    I’ve been splitting up the contents of this disk (descriptively labeled “File Disk”) since it contains a number of documents, some of which are pretty long. A 5.25″ floppy disk can still hold an impressive amount of info when it is just text. (see the previous parts here: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11).

    The contents of this post includes the contents of a document called OMNITERM.RCV. It appears to be a raw log of a terminal session where Delphi was dialed up, the current users in the “Close Encounters” group were listed, and some mail was read and written. Some of it looks a little odd because the edits are shown as they happened so you see everything as opposed to the final edited e-mail that was sent.

    ===
    OMNITERM.RCV
    ===

    
    6597|Jyu
    DISCONNECT
    *dt 3561115x
    DIALING...t 3561115
    RINGING...
    ON LINE ORIG
    ~x|
    UNINET PAD 3EC0 PORT 00
    service : gvc
    
    
    *u001 000 connected to 61703051
    
    
    Username: CABUYS
    Password: 
    
                You have 1 new Mail message.
    
    
    
    
    Hello CABUYS
    
    Welcome to DELPHI
    Copyright (c) 1985
    General Videotex Corporation
    
    
    Logon at   :  2-NOV-1985 17:51:35
    Last Logon :  2-NOV-1985 15:03:59
    
    
    
    *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
    Close Encounters - The Intimate Side
       of Computer Telecommunications
           (c) 1985 SLG Associates
    *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
    
    
    There will be a conference tonight at the usual
    time.  I have no planned topic but am open to
    suggestion(s).
    
    ENCOUNTER> w
    
    Close Encounters Members online:
    
    CABUYS        
    
    ENCOUNTER> ent *
    
     2-NOV 17:52  Connie - Sig Manager (CABUYS)
     2-NOV 17:40  Willie Boger (WIL1)
     2-NOV 17:34  John - Asst. Manager (JOHNMYSELF)
     2-NOV 16:36  greg (SCOT)
     2-NOV 16:13  Bob (RBS)
     2-NOV 16:01  PATRICK MCINTYRE (OSPAT)
     2-NOV 14:49  HAL (PAKWAX)
     2-NOV 14:35  Santiago (PARAGUAY)
     2-NOV 14:34  Lee Veal (LVEAL)
     2-NOV 13:58  John Peterson (JOHNP)
     2-NOV 13:50  Frank Curl (MACULA)
     2-NOV 13:47  Elizabeth (WILLARD)
     2-NOV 13:31  pegasus (MARS)
     2-NOV 13:24  Steve Mencik (SMENCIK)
     2-NOV 12:03  Lin Koeppel (DORA)
     2-NOV 12:03  Marti (ILLUSION)
     2-NOV 10:14   (BERTUS)
     2-NOV 09:02  mark sarisky (SARISKY)
     2-NOV 08:26  Joe - SysOp (JOEY)
     2-NOV 07:20  B. Robbins (TEVA)
     2-NOV 06:42  Bob (FRIED)
     2-NOV 06:13  Jon (DAVROS)
     2-NOV 03:20  LARRY (KB6HFQ)
     2-NOV 02:53  karen winnett (HOTLACE)
     2-NOV 02:25  Stan Krute (STANKRUTE)
     2-NOV 02:23  CHRIS (CDVARN)
     2-NOV 02:19  Rod (RODM)
     2-N*OUTPUT OFF*
    ENCOUNTER> 
    ENCOUNTER> ma
    
    
    You have 1 new message.
    
    MAIL> 
        #1           2-NOV-1985 16:08:53                                     NEWMAIL
    From:   BOS1A::WIL1        
    To:     CABUYS
    Subj:   
    
    
    Okay, just get me some info soon, if you don't mind.
    
    Willie (WIl1)
    
    MAIL> ^Z
    
    ENCOUNTER> ma
    s
    rod
    m
    MAIL> 
    
    To:     
    Subj:   very important I think!
    
    
    Enter your message below. Press CTRL/Z when complete, or CTRL/C to quit:
    Darling,
    
    I was in computer room for                                                                                  As I walked into the computer room after getting home from work today, I
    noticed a white noteb               three-ring binder on the floor near the closet door.
    
    I picked it up and it has all             a lot of stuff in it about WCPX-TV, Orlando.
    Looks mighty important to me!!!
    
    Hard to believe for the first time you forgot something here!  
    
    I love you!!
    
    Love,
    Connie
    ^Z
    New mail on node BOS1A from CABUYS       "CONNIE"
    
    MAIL> s
    
    To:     rodm
    
    Subj:   working Sunday
    
    
    Enter your message below. Press CTRL/Z when complete, or CTRL/C to quit:
    Honey,
    
    I'll be working Sunday in the office too.  Not sure for how long or what time
    I/   'll even get there. sigh.
    
    By the way, we'll have to postpone any trips to the Laundromat for a while 
     because I finally gave up and bought a used washing machine that should
     hold me for a while - at least until I have            am better able to buy a
    new one.
    
    Love,
    Connie
    ^Z
    New mail on node BOS1A from CABUYS       "CONNIE"
    
    MAIL> s
    
    To:     rodm
    
    Subj:   testing something
    
    Enter your message below. Press CTRL/Z when complete, or CTRL/C to quit:
    I'm testing something out on you! 
    
       I Love You!
       Lick Kiss Nibble Lick Hugs and Squeezes Lisses
       /s rodm I Love You!!!
       /s johnmyself I Love You!
    
    End of test! 
     
    
    Love,
    Connie
    ^Z
    New mail on node BOS1A from CABUYS       "CONNIE"
    
    MAIL> rean   d newmail
    
    Unrecognized command verb - check validity and spelling
     \REAN\
    
    MAIL> read newmail
    
        #1           2-NOV-1985 17:55:30                                     NEWMAIL
    From:   BOS1A::CABUYS       "CONNIE"
    To:     RODM,CABUYS      
    Subj:   very important I think!
    
    
    Darling,
    
    As I walked into the computer room after getting home from work today, I
    noticed a white three-ring binder on the floor near the closet door.
    
    I picked it up and it has a lot of stuff in it about WCPX-TV, Orlando.
    Looks mighty important to me!!!
    
    Hard to believe for the first time you forgot something here!  
    
    I love you!!
    
    Love,
    Connie
    
    MAIL> 
    
        #2           2-NOV-1985 17:57:01                                     NEWMAIL
    From:   BOS1A::CABUYS       "CONNIE"
    To:     RODM,CABUYS      
    Subj:   working Sunday
    
    
    Honey,
    
    I'll be working Sunday in the office too.  Not sure for how long or what time
    I'll even get there. sigh.
    
    By the way, we'll have to postpone any trips to the Laundromat for a while 
     because I finally gave up and bought a used washing machine that should
     hold me for a while - at least until I am better able to buy a
    new one.
    
    Love,
    Connie
    
    MAIL> 
    
        #3           2-NOV-1985 18:03:13                                     NEWMAIL
    From:   BOS1A::CABUYS       "CONNIE"
    To:     RODM,CABUYS      
    Subj:   testing something
    
    I'm testing something out on you! 
    
       I Love You!
       Lick Kiss Nibble Lick Hugs and Squeezes Lisses
       /s rodm I Love You!!!
       /s johnmyself I Love You!
    
    End of test! 
     
    
    Love,
    Connie
    
    MAIL> s
    
    To:     rodm
    
    Subj:   another test 
    
    Enter your message below. Press CTRL/Z when complete, or CTRL/C to quit:
    Honey,
    
    Just in case you don't know it:
    
    I Love You! I Love You!! I Love You!!! I Love You!!!! 
    I Love You! I Love You!! I Love You!!! I Love You!!!! 
    I Love You! I Love You!! I Love You!!! I Love You!!!! 
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    l   I Love You! I Love You!! I Love You!!! I Love You!!!! 
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    So there! 
    
    Love,
    Conneie 
    ^Z
    New mail on node BOS1A from CABUYS       "CONNIE"
    
    Press RETURN to return to reading your mail
    
    MAIL> 
    
        #3           2-NOV-1985 18:03:13                                     NEWMAIL
    From:   BOS1A::CABUYS       "CONNIE"
    To:     RODM,CABUYS      
    Subj:   testing something
    
    I'm testing something out on you! 
    
       I Love You!
       Lick Kiss Nibble Lick Hugs and Squeezes Lisses
       /s rodm I Love You!!!
       /s johnmyself I Love You!
    
    End of test! 
     
    
    Love,
    Connie
    
    MAIL> 
    
    No more messages
    
    MAIL> read newmail
    
        #1           2-NOV-1985 18:06:56                                     NEWMAIL
    From:   BOS1A::CABUYS       "CONNIE"
    To:     RODM,CABUYS      
    Subj:   another test 
    
    Honey,
    
    Just in case you don't know it:
    
    I Love You! I Love You!! I Love You!!! I Love You!!!! 
    I Love You! I Love You!! I Love You!!! I Love You!!!! 
    I Love You! I Love You!! I Love You!!! I Love You!!!! 
    I Love You! I Love You!! I Love You!!! I Love You!!!! 
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    So there! 
    
    Love,
    Conne ie
    
    MAIL> 
    
    No more messages
    
    MAIL> ^Z
    
    ENCOUNTER> w
    
    Close Encounters Members online:
    
    CABUYS        
    
    ENCOUNTER> ma
    
    MAIL> s
    
    To:     rodm
    
    Subj:   lost disk found!
    
    Enter your message below. Press CTRL/Z when complete, or CTRL/C
     to quit:
    Honey,
    
    I can't believe this!
    
    This morning I looked everywhere for that missing disk! I couldn't find it!
    
    I looked again when I got he   ome because I thought a file I needed might be on
    it and again could not find it!
    
    Just *not*      w* I realized the B drive was not closed - yet there was a disk in it
    and you                     and I feel so silly because that      e disk I was looking for was in there!
    
    I might            ust not be fully awake even it   f it is the end of the day!
    
    I Love You! I Love You!! I Love You!!! I Love You!!!! I Love You! I Love You!! I Love You!!! I Love You!!!! 
    
    I Love You! I Love You!! I Love You!!! I Love You!!!! I Love You! I Love You!! I Love You!!! I Love You!!!! 
    
    I Love You! I Love You!! I Love You!!! I Love You!!!! I Love You! I Love You!! I Love You!!! I Love You!!!! 
    
    I Love You! I Love You!! I Love You!!! I Love You!!!! I Love You! I Love You!! I Love You!!! I Love You!!!! 
    
    I Love You! I Love You!! I Love You!!! I Love You!!!! I Love You! I Love You!! I Love You!!! I Love You!!!! 
    
    I Love You! I Love You!! I Love You!!! I Love You!!!! I Love You! I Love You!! I Love You!!! I Love You!!!! 
    
    
    Love,
    Connie
    ^Z
    read newmail
    New mail on node BOS1A from CABUYS       "CONNIE"
    
    MAIL> 
        #1           2-NOV-1985 18:10:10                                     NEWMAIL
    From:   BOS1A::CABUYS       "CONNIE"
    To:     RODM,CABUYS      
    Subj:   lost disk found!
    
    
    Honey,
    
    I can't believe this!
    
    This morning I looked everywhere for that missing disk! I couldn't find it!
    
    I looked again when I got home because I thought a file I needed might be on
    it and again could not find it!
    
    Just *now* I realized the B drive was not closed - yet there was a disk in it
    and I feel so silly because the disk I was looking for was in there!
    
    I must not be fully awake even if it is the end of the day!
    
    I Love You! I Love You!! I Love You!!! I Love You!!!! I Love You! I Love You!! I
     Love You!!! I Love You!!!! 
    I Love You! I Love You!! I Love You!!! I Love You!!!! I Love You! I Love You!! I
     Love You!!! I Love You!!!! 
    I Love You! I Love You!! I Love You!!! I Love You!!!! I Love You! I Love You!! I
     Love You!!! I Love You!!!! 
    I Love You! I Love You!! I Love You!!! I Love You!!!! I Love You! I Love You!! I
     Love You!!! I Love You!!!! 
    I Love You! I Love You!! I Love You!!! I Love You!!!! I Love You! I Love You!! I
     Love You!!! I Love You!!!! 
    I Love You! I Love You!! I Love You!!! I Love You!!!! I Love You! I Love You!! I
     Love You!!! I Love You!!!! 
    
    Love,
    Connie
    
     MAIL>  
    
    

  • Digital Archaeology: Codex (Floppy Disk) #8 (part 11)

    A summary for those that haven’t been keeping up with this series:

    I found a bunch of 5.25″ disks at a thrift store a number of years ago. I finally got around to acquring a 5.25″ disk drive and extracting the contents a while back. Since then I have been posting the contents here.

    Based on the contents, at least some of these disks were apparently once owned by someone named Connie A. Buys who used to run the “Close Encounters” Special Interest Group (SIG) on Delphi in the mid 1980s.

    A specific definition of this SIG was found in a previous document on one of the disks: “This SIG, known as “Close Encounters”, is a forum for the discussion of relationships that develop via computer services like the Source, CompuServe, and Delphi. Our primary emphasis is on the sexual aspects of those relationships.”

    Everything was text based from whatever terminal program you used to dial in to Delphi’s servers. Many of these disks have forum messages, e-mails and chat session logs. All of this is pre-internet stuff and I don’t know if there are any archives in existence today of what was on Delphi in the 1980s. In any case, much of this stuff would have been private at the time and some of it is quite personal.

    I’ve been splitting up the contents of this disk (descriptively labeled “File Disk”) since it contains a number of documents, some of which are pretty long. A 5.25″ floppy disk can still hold an impressive amount of info when it is just text. (see the previous parts here: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10).

    The contents of this post includes the contents of a document called NEWFORUM.DOC. It appears to be a message about some new commands available on Delphi when in a Forum. It is dated October 11th and I believe this is from 1985.

    ===
    NEWFORUM.DOC
    ===

    list newforum.doc
    File NEWFORUM.DOC was not found.
    
    WS> list newforum
     
    6568 11-OCT 13:22 FLAgShip Archives
         NEW Forum Commands
         From: DEB          To: ALL
     
     
       Delphi has made some (long requested) changes to the DIRECTORY command in
    the FORUM.  The two new options are a directory of a range of messages
    (specified by two numbers separated by a colon) and for messages
    containing a particular group of characters, word, or phrase in
    the subject.
     
       You can also string options together on one command, such as
     
       DIRECTORY FROM DEB TO ALL SUBJECT "new forum commands"
     
    which should list this message!
     
    In short, all the DIRectory options are:
     
    * FROM 
    * TO   
    * WAITING
    * NEW
    * SUBJECT  -- this will search for specific strings withing the
    message header itself.  Those strings with imbedded spaces need to
    be enclosed in quotation marks. Search strings which include one word
    will not need the quotes.
    * :  -- will scan a range of lines.  Reasonable abbreviations are
    allowed, such as
     
    DIR 100:200 - scans message headers for numbers 100 to 200.
    DIR :200 - lists messages below and including 200
    DIR 200  - lists messages starting with 200.
    THREAD - when used with a number or range, lists the thread containing
    the specified message.  When used alone, lists the thread containing
    the current message.  It can also be used with the SUBJECT qualifier.
     
     
       In addition to these exciting new search parameters within the DIR command
    on the FORUM, You can now also use WHO and SEND from any FORUM> prompt, just
    the same as it can be used at the *FLAGSHIP* prompt.
    
    
    WS>  
    
    

  • Digital Archaeology: Codex (Floppy Disk) #8 (part 10)

    A summary for those that haven’t been keeping up with this series:

    I found a bunch of 5.25″ disks at a thrift store a number of years ago. I finally got around to acquring a 5.25″ disk drive and extracting the contents a while back. Since then I have been posting the contents here.

    Based on the contents, at least some of these disks were apparently once owned by someone named Connie A. Buys who used to run the “Close Encounters” Special Interest Group (SIG) on Delphi in the mid 1980s.

    A specific definition of this SIG was found in a previous document on one of the disks: “This SIG, known as “Close Encounters”, is a forum for the discussion of relationships that develop via computer services like the Source, CompuServe, and Delphi. Our primary emphasis is on the sexual aspects of those relationships.”

    Everything was text based from whatever terminal program you used to dial in to Delphi’s servers. Many of these disks have forum messages, e-mails and chat session logs. All of this is pre-internet stuff and I don’t know if there are any archives in existence today of what was on Delphi in the 1980s. In any case, much of this stuff would have been private at the time and some of it is quite personal.

    I’ve been splitting up the contents of this disk (descriptively labeled “File Disk”) since it contains a number of documents, some of which are pretty long. A 5.25″ floppy disk can still hold an impressive amount of info when it is just text. (see the previous parts here: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9).

    The contents of this post includes the contents of a document called MINORS.DOC. It is a rather disturbing article from a local newspaper (not sure what ‘local’ is in this case…possibly Jacksonville, FL) about NAMBLA, a vile organization in my opinion but one that I believe is still around.

    ===
    MINORS.DOC
    ===

    This article appeared in our local paper recently and I'd like to hear
    your comments on it:
    
    "Child molesters have organized groups to promote the notion that
    childern of any age should be allowed to have sex.
    
    One of those is the North American Man/Boy Love Association in New
    York City.
    
    'They need to know there are other people who have these feelings,
    that these feelings are not bad or evil,' NAMBLA spokesman Bill
    Andriette said.
    
    A pamphlet describes the group's goals:  'We advocate changing
    existing laws so as both to protect young people from abuse and at the
    same time extend to them the right, presently enjoyed solely by
    adults, to control their own bodies...
    
    'We believe the state has no business enforcing a particular code of
    sexual morality or breaking up a mutually consensual sexual
    relationship of any kind.  We demand the release of all our brothers
    and sisters incarcerated for consensual sex with minors.'
    
    NAMBLA publishes newsletters, holds conventions and has an emergency
    defense fund to defray legal costs for members arrested for child
    molesting.
    
    Prison inmates who have been convicted of molesting or raping children
    are given free memberships and subscriptions to NAMBLA publications.
    
    Police estimate the group has 20,000 subscribers nationwide. 
    Andriette said it has only about 1,000 subscribers.  He said he is not
    a pedophile but agrees with pedophiles politically.
    
    'It's a difficult issue,'  Andriette said.  'Eight-year-olds are
    capable of consenting to sex, just as they are capable of saying
    something feels good or tastes good.  The question obviously becomes
    more difficult as the person becomes younger.
    
    'Children do have an idea of what sex is.  Children should be taught
    to say no in all situations they don't feel comfortable in.  They
    should avoid coercive situations and go along with situations that are
    pleasurable.'
    
    But for an adult to force a child into a sexual act is wrong, he said.
    
    'Clearly, a person who has intercourse with an infant, that's
    coercive.  It's not something where the child could easily express
    displeasure.'
    
    But 2-year-olds, 8-year-olds and teenagers are capable of expressing
    what they want, he said.
    
    'Some type of sexual interaction could be valid with a 2-year-old,' he
    said.  'It would be limited, but he can state whether an act is
    pleasurable or not.'"