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    A summary for those that haven’t been keeping up with this series:

    I found a number of 5.25″ disks at a thrift store a number of years ago. I finally got around to acquiring a 5.25″ disk drive and extracting the contents a while back. Since then I have been posting the contents here.

    Based on the contents, at least some of these disks were apparently once owned by someone named Connie who used to run the “Close Encounters” Special Interest Group (SIG) on Delphi in the mid 1980s.

    A specific definition of this SIG was found in a document on one of the disks: “This SIG, known as ‘Close Encounters’, is a forum for the discussion of relationships that develop via computer services like the Source, CompuServe, and Delphi. Our primary emphasis is on the sexual aspects of those relationships.”

    This service was text based and was accessed via whatever terminal program you used on your computer to dial in to Delphi’s servers. Many of these disks have forum messages, e-mails and chat session logs. All of this is pre-internet stuff and I don’t know if there are any archives in existence today of what was on Delphi in the 1980s. In any case, much of this stuff would have been private at the time and probably wouldn’t be in such archives even if they existed.

    This post includes the contents of DM1027.DOC dated October 27th, 1985. It appears to be an e-mail reading session. At the top is a list of the messages, who they are from and to, the date and the subject. Below that is the contents of all of the mail. There are 64 messages.

    See the previous post here.

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    DM1027.DOC
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    dir
    
    
                                                                                MAIL
    
        # From                 Date         Subject
     
        1 BOS1A::RODM          16-OCT-1985  Read - Set your watch!
        2 BOS1A::CABUYS        17-OCT-1985  RE: Read - Set your watch!
        3 BOS1A::PRINCESS      19-OCT-1985  hi
        4 BOS1A::ELLISCO       19-OCT-1985  ztest
        5 BOS1A::CABUYS        19-OCT-1985  RE: hi
        6 BOS1A::CABUYS        19-OCT-1985  
        7 BOS1A::RODM          19-OCT-1985  
        8 BOS1A::JOHNMYSELF    20-OCT-1985  what's new.
        9 BOS1A::CABUYS        20-OCT-1985  contest winners'
       10 BOS1A::JOHNMYSELF    20-OCT-1985  RE: contest winners'
       11 BOS1A::CABUYS        20-OCT-1985  I love you!!!
       12 BOS1A::CABUYS        20-OCT-1985  reply to WILL1 regarding age question
       13 BOS1A::RODM          20-OCT-1985  Please!!!!!!!!
       14 BOS1A::CABUYS        20-OCT-1985  RE: Please!!!!!!!!
       15 BOS1A::SERVICE       21-OCT-1985  Here is some possibly delayed mail from 
    
       16 BOS1A::WIL1          21-OCT-1985  
       17 BOS1A::PRINCESS      21-OCT-1985  sorry about yesd.terday's talk,
       18 BOS1A::JOHNMYSELF    21-OCT-1985  reply to letter from arne
       19 BOS1A::JOHNMYSELF    21-OCT-1985  letter from arne
       20 BOS2A::RODM          22-OCT-1985  repeating!
       21 BOS2A::RODM          22-OCT-1985  again I must say!
       22 BOS2A::RODM          22-OCT-1985  and again!
       23 BOS2A::RODM          22-OCT-1985  and AGAIN!
       24 BOS2A::RODM          22-OCT-1985  and AGAIN!
       25 BOS2A::RODM          22-OCT-1985  one MORE time!
       26 BOS1A::CABUYS        23-OCT-1985  explanation
       27 BOS1A::CABUYS        23-OCT-1985  next 5 Trivia questions so I don't forge
    
       28 BOS1A::CABUYS        23-OCT-1985  I'm all done now and no longer /gagged!
       29 BOS1A::CABUYS        25-OCT-1985  you should *always* have mail waiting!!!
    
       30 BOS1A::CABUYS        25-OCT-1985  saying it all again
       31 BOS1A::CABUYS        25-OCT-1985  I repeat
       32 BOS1A::CABUYS        25-OCT-1985  thisisfun
       33 BOS1A::CABUYS        25-OCT-1985  i should be working! <grin>
       34 BOS1A::CABUYS        25-OCT-1985  it's raining <sigh>
       35 BOS1A::CABUYS        25-OCT-1985  I wish I were there with you!!!
       36 BOS1A::CABUYS        25-OCT-1985  looking forwardt. to our next *appointme
    
       37 BOS1A::CABUYS        25-OCT-1985  wonder howlong I cando this before I get
    
       38 BOS1A::CABUYS        25-OCT-1985  I hate this IBM keyboard!!
       39 BOS1A::CABUYS        25-OCT-1985  mmmmmmmmmmmmm!!!!! -have I told you late
    
       40 BOS1A::CABUYS        25-OCT-1985  hope f.subject line'snot too long
       41 BOS1A::CABUYS        25-OCT-1985  wish I knew how many dmails I've sent!!!
    
       42 BOS1A::CABUYS        25-OCT-1985  thank *YOU* for a wonderful lunch!!!
       43 BOS1A::CABUYS        25-OCT-1985  just being with you makes my day!!
       44 BOS1A::CABUYS        25-OCT-1985  oh well - I've l.played longe. enough - 
    
       45 BOS1A::JOHNMYSELF    25-OCT-1985  ?
       46 BOS1A::CABUYS        26-OCT-1985  conference transcript
       47 BOS1A::RODM          26-OCT-1985  Working on SIG - GREAT!
       48 BOS1A::RODM          26-OCT-1985  dumpted!
       49 BOS1A::RODM          26-OCT-1985  Don't forget to prepare comments!
       50 BOS1A::CABUYS        26-OCT-1985  RE: dumpted!
       51 BOS1A::CABUYS        26-OCT-1985  surprised at my feelings
       52 BOS1A::CABUYS        26-OCT-1985  RE: Don't forget to prepare comments!
       53 BOS1A::CABUYS        26-OCT-1985  hi
       54 BOS1A::CABUYS        26-OCT-1985  special delivery - hope you don't object
    
       55 BOS1A::CABUYS        26-OCT-1985  sig contract
       56 BOS1A::JOHNMYSELF    26-OCT-1985  RE: sig contract
       57 BOS1A::RODM          27-OCT-1985  RE: special delivery - hope you don't ob
    
       58 BOS1A::RODM          27-OCT-1985  Resend!
       59 BOS1A::RODM          27-OCT-1985  Special Delivery for you!
       60 BOS1A::RODM          27-OCT-1985  Withdrawn - awaiting comments
       61 BOS1A::CABUYS        27-OCT-1985  RE: Resend!
       62 BOS1A::CABUYS        27-OCT-1985  RE: Resend!
       63 BOS1A::CABUYS        27-OCT-1985  RE: Withdrawn - awaiting comments
       64 BOS1A::CABUYS        27-OCT-1985  my answer to your forum message
    
    
    MAIL> 
    
    
    
        #1          16-OCT-1985 23:16:46                           
                 MAIL
    
    Fr
    om:   BOS1A::RODM     
       
    To:     CABUYS,R
    ODM        
    Subj:   
    Read - Set your watch
    !
    
    My Darling Conn
    ie,
    
    Set you body
     clock by this
    
     
        This is a mature discreet adult SIG.....
     
                                     
                            9
                    9       ^      9
                            | 
               9            |            9
                            |
                            |
                            |
            9       <-------O               9
     
     
     
               9                         9
     
                    9              9
                            9
     
                     NO sex until 9:00 !
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
                  
                 (In other words ... NOW!!!!)
    
    
    MAIL> 
    
        #2          17-OCT-1985 06:12:04                                        MAIL
    
    From:   BOS1A::CABUYS       "CONNIE"
    To:     BOS1A::RODM,CABUYS      
    Subj:   RE: Read - Set your watch!
    
    Lover!
    
    That's really cute! I want it in the Forum! Do you mind?
    
    I love you!
    
    counting the hours now!
    
    Love,
    Connie
    
    
    MAIL> 
    
        #3          19-OCT-1985 16:07:29                                        MAIL
    
    From:   BOS1A::PRINCESS    
    To:     CABUYS
    Subj:   hi
    
    
    
    MAIL> 
    
        #4          19-OCT-1985 17:20:31                                        MAIL
    
    From:   BOS1A::ELLISCO      "Dick Evans"
    To:     @SIGMGRS.DIS
    Subj:   ztest
    
    Everyone on my list of managers & assistants has access to ZTEST now.  The
    flags set are ADE(F)V.  Only the assistants have the "F".  If I missed anybody
    let one of us know.  If you need other flags, let one of us know.
    
    Thanks
    
    Peter & Dick (PEABO & ELLISCO)
    
    
    MAIL> 
    
        #5          19-OCT-1985 22:13:29                                        MAIL
    
    From:   BOS1A::CABUYS       "CONNIE"
    To:     BOS1A::PRINCESS,CABUYS      
    Subj:   RE: hi
    
    hi to you too!
    
    I really do miss you!
    
    Love,
    Connie
    
    
    MAIL> 
    
        #6          19-OCT-1985 22:16:07                                        MAIL
    
    From:   BOS1A::CABUYS       "CONNIE"
    To:     RODM,CABUYS      
    Subj:   
    
    Well as you can see I made it home ok.
    
    I had a good cry after we parted - it lasted until I got to Starke.  Otherwise
    trip home was without problems.
    
    Feeling kinda down now so not sure if/how long I'll stay on line.
    
    By the way, I was able to pick up the radio station until I was just outside of
    Starke.
    
    I love you!
    
    Love,
    Connie
    
    
    MAIL> 
    
        #7          19-OCT-1985 22:18:08                                        MAIL
    
    From:   BOS1A::RODM        
    To:     BOS1A::CABUYS,RODM        
    Subj:   
    
    I know what you mean abt CRY!!!
    
    Bk to Co!
    
    I LOVE YOU!!!!!!
    
    Morthove,
    
    Rod
    
    
    MAIL> 
    
        #8          20-OCT-1985 00:01:34                                        MAIL
    
    From:   BOS1A::JOHNMYSELF  
    To:     CABUYS,JOHNMYSELF  
    Subj:   what's new.
    
    think we ought to clean up the what's new corner again.
    could you take care iof it?
    thanks.
    keep in touch 
                            Love John
    
    
    MAIL> 
    
        #9          20-OCT-1985 13:41:46                                        MAIL
    
    From:   BOS1A::CABUYS       "CONNIE"
    To:     JOHNMYSELF,CABUYS      
    Subj:   contest winners'
    
    I assume you'll go ahead and send in the checks to Delphi with appropriate
    notations of the accounts to be credited.
    
    You've done a great job with this.  Thanks!
    
    Love,
    Connie
    
    
    MAIL> 
    
        #10         20-OCT-1985 17:31:15                                        MAIL
    
    From:   BOS1A::JOHNMYSELF  
    To:     BOS1A::CABUYS
    Subj:   RE: contest winners'
    
    But of course My love.  In fact I have the checks and 
    the letter cut.
    * * * * * letter * * * * *
                                     SLG Associates
                                     61 West Street
                                Hyde Park, Mass., 02136
                                    20 October, 1985
    
    
    
    General Videotex Corp. / Delphi
    3 Blackstone Street
    Cambridge, Mass., 02139
    
    Subject: payment(s).
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    Dear Service Rep;
    
      Enclosed please find the checks to be applied to accounts as follows:
    
            #0101 in the amount of $6.00 to be applied to the 
            account of TIGLON.
    
            #0102 in the amount of $4.00 to be applied to the
            account of FSF.
    
      If possible, please itemize this payment on their statements with
    indication of its source - SLG Associates.
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
                                       Thank you;
                                       John P. Yerger, Asst. Manager
    
                                       Close Encounters Sig
    
    * * * * * I thought you'ld approve * * * * *
    
    
                                            KISSES 
    
    to your neck, arms, breasts, legs, and your sweet warm box.
    
    
    MAIL> 
    
    
    
    
    
        #11         20-OCT-1985 17:55:26                             
               MAIL
    
    From
    :   BOS1A::CABUYS       "CONNIE"
    To:     RODM,CABUYS      
    Subj:   I love you!!!
    
    The weekend was too perfect.  It stills hurts so much to be away from you.
    
    I've tried all day to get my mind onto other things, to find something of
    interest to keep me busy, but it's an impossible task.
    
    Your teddy bear kept me company all night long and I haven't done that in ages!
    
    I remember all the beautiful things from this weekend and deep down I really
    feel good and happy about that. But I feel something that's difficult to put
    into words - something like an overwhelming longing for us to be together, to
    get on with *our* life, to continue making as many beautiful memories for each
    other as we possibly can <even when we both know that it can't and won't be *all* so perfect as has been!>
    
    Enough of this! I want the feeling that was there when you told me I was
    *sparkling* to be there now and I don't know how to recapture that.
    Perhaps - in time.....
    
    Until then, I love you and I will always love you!
    
    Love,
    Connie
    
    
    MAIL> 
    
        #12         20-OCT-1985 21:59:11                                        MAIL
    
    From:   BOS1A::CABUYS       "CONNIE"
    To:     @MGRS.DIS,CABUYS      
    Subj:   reply to WILL1 regarding age question
    
    Willie,
    
    According to the membership agreement, this sig is open to those over the age
    of 18.  There are a variety of reasons behind this decision.  
    
    I personally have no objection to your being there.  However I do have a 
    contract with Delphi that says the sig is for those over 18.
    
    What I plan to do, if there is enough interest expressed by those under 18,
    is to set up several sections in the sig that will be for them only.  We
    would need someone of that age group to sort of manage that section.  That
    someone would have to understand that I am the sig manager <in other words, the boss!><smile> and it would be up to that section manager to keep things
    moving in the forum as well as try to get as many eligible members into the
    sig for that section.
    
    Until that is established, I have no choice but to abide by the terms of my
    contract with Delphi, which says that if I discover someone under the age of
    18, I restrict their access to the sig.  Your age was discovered by the
    Profile you posted.
    
    I don't doubt your intelligence or knowledge.  Unfortunately that can't change
    things right now.
    
    If you are interested in running a section for those under 18, please let me
    know.  I would also need to know the following:
    
    1.  The user names of 20 people currently on line under the age of 18 who tell
    you they are interested in supporting such a section within this sig.
    
    2.  What name you would like to give to the section.
    
    3.  Six words that identify the section:  examples could be - Under 18, kids
    only, teenagers, terms like that.
    
    4.  I would need a list of topics that you would post within the forum section
    for discussion by your group with examples of the first messages written out,
    ready to post.
    
    5.  After I had this, I would have to get in touch with Delphi's sig 
    administrator and have him make the necessary changes within the sig here for
    the new section, etc.
    
    If you are not interested in running the section and know someone who is, please
    
    have them contact me.
    
    Thank you.
    
    -Connie <cabuys>, Close Encounters Sig Manager
    
    
    MAIL> 
    
        #13         20-OCT-1985 22:51:02                                        MAIL
    
    From:   BOS1A::RODM        
    To:     CABUYS,RODM        
    Subj:   Please!!!!!!!!
    
    Darling why cant I send to you!!!???????
    
    YOU PROMISED NEVER TO GAG!!!!!!
    
    
    Love
    
    Rod
    
    
    MAIL> 
    
        #14         20-OCT-1985 22:52:07                                        MAIL
    
    From:   BOS1A::CABUYS       "CONNIE"
    To:     BOS1A::RODM,CABUYS      
    Subj:   RE: Please!!!!!!!!
    
    Honey,
    
    I did *not* break my promise to you!
    
    I was in Workspace, UPLOADing a file and the /gag is automatic.
    sigh.
    
    Love,
    Connie
    
    
    MAIL> 
    
        #15         21-OCT-1985 19:21:23                                        MAIL
    
    From:   BOS1A::SERVICE     
    To:     CABUYS
    Subj:   Here is some possibly delayed mail from Sunday evening, 13-October.
    
    
    From:   BOS1A::CABUYS       "CONNIE" 13-OCT-1985 19:34
    To:     BOS1A::RODM,CABUYS
    Subj:   RE: survey
    
    Darling, as soon as I can, I will post the survey since I did not get to
    ask the questions during the conference.
    
    I love you!
    
    Love,
    Connie
    
    From:   BOS1A::CABUYS       "CONNIE" 13-OCT-1985 19:20
    To:     BOS1A::JOEY,CABUYS
    Subj:   RE: Whereabouts
    
    Thanks, Joey!  Don't work too hard and do have a wonderful vacation!
    
    <hugs>
    -Connie
    
    From:   BOS1A::CABUYS       "CONNIE" 13-OCT-1985 19:33
    To:     BOS1A::RODM,CABUYS
    Subj:   RE: missed again!
    
    Sweetheart,
    
    I do wish you had called me at the office.  I miss you so much and want to
    hear your voice!
    
    I got up at 8 AM on Sat., took a jacket to be altered, took the car thru the
    car wash, then got to work about 10 am.  I was able to get most of what I
    wanted to accomplish done, but when my boss came in around noon, there was
    a lot of interruption in his efforts to "help" me with something. sigh.
    
    I left the office and got home about 4:30, bringing a *lot* of work home with
    me to do on the computer here.  I worked on that until 3 minutes before
    conference time, then logged on for the conference.
    
    I sent to John that you had left me a list of questions for the conference.
    Then I made an open comment to the same effect.  Both comments were
    ignored and I was so aggravated with him and so exhausted it was all I could
    do to stay til the end of the conference.  He just seemed so unaware that
    I had said something about your questions twice - and I wish I knew why he
    was so distracted at that particular time.
    
    I got up at 8 AM Sunday, took laundry to the laundromat, naturally had to
    have trouble with two of the machines which weren't working right which caused
    me to be there longer than I had hoped.  I brought the wet laundry home to
    dry, then had to go to the ATM, Zayre's to pick up some things, to grocery
    store for Cokes, and filled the car up with gas.
    
    For some time now, I've been looking for a place that I could use to teach
    Dennis how to drive.  I found such a place when I was returning home from
    the errands.  As soon as we had put stuff away, I told Dennis to get ready to
    go with me but would not tell him where we were going! <i'm learning to be like you!><grin>  He was so curious!
    
    We got there and I pulled up, stopped the car, and asked him what he knew about
    driving.  He always told me he knew how but once on the spot the truth came out.
    
    Anyway he had his first driving lesson which lasted about an hour before we
    returned home.  He did quite well actually and we both felt great about it!
    Sunday's will probably be on the only time we can use this area but that should
    do for a while.  I can't believe I actually did this! Do you have any idea
    what that means to me?!?!?!
    
    Then I returned to working on stuff from the office since Delphi was not up
    and running. sigh.  I had planned to do so
    much on line today but it will now have to wait.  I'm rapidly approaching the po
    int of total exhaustion!
    
    I love you and miss you so much! I even tried once to call the office hoping
    you would be there. sigh.  I can only hope that you can call soon!
    
    I love you!!!!!
    
    Love,
    Connie
    
    
    MAIL> 
    
        #16         21-OCT-1985 19:53:53                                        MAIL
    
    From:   BOS1A::WIL1        
    To:     CABUYS
    Subj:   
    
    
    
    Well, maybe, but I will just do the same thing in the sig me and my freiends
    are making, it will be out soon, if you are 20 arourr over, you can not be in it
    .
    (HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!)
    
    I hope you are happy!
    
    Bye,
    
    Wililie (WIL1)
    
    p.s. nice of you!
    
    
    MAIL> 
    
    
        #17         21-OCT-1985 19:59:20                           
                 MAIL
    
    From:   BOS1A::
    PRINCESS    
    To:    
     CABUYS
    Subj:   sorry about yesd
    terday's 
    talk,
    
    was most uncomfortable conversation I have had
    with you in a long time.  I wguess we will get
    used to it, but is hard not sharing things
    with you. <sigh> 
    love,
    
    Peggy
    <hugs>
    
    
    MAIL> 
    
        #18         21-OCT-1985 21:12:50                                        MAIL
    
    From:   BOS1A::JOHNMYSELF  
    To:     CABUYS
    Subj:   reply to letter from arne
    
    Actually, I was a bit at fault in not simply letting the matter ride.
    However, a simple number would have been preferred.
    
    As for the age limit, we well know the problems in that regard but 
    are none the less responsible for seeing that 'to the best of our
    abilities' we enforce them.  
    
    Why bother?  Very simple.  If we fail to make the attempt, then we can have 
    trouble from those parents who don't want 'us' exposing their kids to
    (possibly) sexually related material.  It could become a problem.
    
    Of course we should be on speaking terms.  Damn poor sig manager I'ld
    be if I let something so trivial interfere with members and their
    abilities to communicate. (especially with the management).
    
    
    
    MAIL> 
    
        #19         21-OCT-1985 21:13:32                                        MAIL
    
    From:   BOS1A::JOHNMYSELF  
    To:     CABUYS
    Subj:   letter from arne
    
    From:   BOS1A::ARNE         21-OCT-1985 20:55
    To:     JOHNMYSELF
    Subj:   age
    
    ~GGee, John, this has really gotten out of hand.  On that infamous noghtight it
    wasn't my intention to antagonize anyone -- I honestly (if misguidedly)
    thought my jokes about age were at leaast mildly amusing, and was stunned
    when y'all took such a hard-liner approach to the matter.  Naturally I was
    hurt at being snubbed, and dashed off a couple of irate letters-to-the-
    editor, but all this public apologies stuff -- well, it's just so unnecessary.
    
    As far as age limits in the sig , well the present set-up has y'all trying
    to enforce rules which any reasonably intelligent 11-year-old could circumvene,
    so why bother?
    
    I hope we're at least approaching speaking terms.
    
                                    -- Arenne
    
    
    MAIL> 
    
        #20         22-OCT-1985 04:05:45                                        MAIL
    
    From:   BOS2A::RODM        
    To:     CABUYS
    Subj:   repeating!
    
    From:   BOS1A::RODM          1-OCT-1985 00:07
    To:     CABUYS,RODM        
    Subj:   Love send
    
    My Beloved Darling Connie,
     
    Here I go again!, but this poem is OBVIOUSLY a PRIVATE one!:
     
     
    At first there was only a few words on a screen,
     
    And even those were only occasionally seen.
     
    Then I sent questions of panic on the phone.
     
    Oh how could I have possibly known,
     
    That after meeting face to face,
     
    My heart would pound at such a pace,
     
    And that a person who was once a curiousity,
     
    Would become the focus of my very destiny.
     
     
     
    Love and life have shown me what now must be my destiny,
     
    And what endless love and happiness will soon be given to me.
     
    But there are yet some commitments and decisions to be made,
     
    And some pain and prices to be paid.
     
    When all of that is finished and done,
     
    A love lasting the rest of my life will be won.
     
    I know you are feeling the pain of waiting,
     
    But our life together will be worth the getting.
     
    I cannot now be all you would have me to be,
     
    But when that day comes you will have ALL of me!
     
     
    Darling,  I risk such enormous pain for both of us in refering to these things 
    but  I can no longer deny my feelings although I don't know if it will  be  by 
    discovery  or resolve that these things will come to be but I admit and  await 
    our destiny!!!
     
    With all of me I love you,
     
    Rod
    
    
    MAIL> 
    
        #21         22-OCT-1985 04:07:07                                        MAIL
    
    From:   BOS2A::RODM        
    To:     CABUYS,RODM        
    Subj:   again I must say!
    
     
       IIIIII      LLLLLL       OOOO  VV          VV  EEEEEEEE
         II          LL        OOOOOO  VV        VV    EE
         II          LL       OO    OO  VV      VV     EE
         II          LL       OO    OO   VV    VV      EEEE
         II          LL       OO    OO    VV  VV       EE
         II          LL    LL  OOOOOO      VVVV        EE
       IIIIII      LLLLLLLLLL   OOOO        VV        EEEEEEEE
     
     
     
     
              YYYYY    YYYYY       OOOO        UUUU  UUUU
                YY      YY        OOOOOO        UU    UU
                 YY    YY        OO    OO       UU    UU
                  YY  YY         OO    OO       UU    UU
                   YYYY          OO    OO       UU    UU
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                    YY            OOOOOO         UUUUUU
                  YYYYYY           OOOO           UUUU
     
     
    
    
    MAIL> 
    
        #22         22-OCT-1985 04:08:20                                        MAIL
    
    From:   BOS2A::RODM        
    To:     CABUYS,RODM        
    Subj:   and again!
    
     
     I  LOVE  YOU !    I  LOVE  YOU !    I  LOVE YOU !
     I  LOVE  YOU !    I  LOVE  YOU !    I  LOVE YOU !
     I  LOVE  YOU !    I  LOVE  YOU !    I  LOVE YOU !
     I  LOVE  YOU !    I  LOVE  YOU !    I  LOVE YOU !
     I  LOVE  YOU !    I  LOVE  YOU !    I  LOVE YOU !
     I  LOVE  YOU !    I  LOVE  YOU !    I  LOVE YOU !
     I  LOVE  YOU !    I  LOVE  YOU !    I  LOVE YOU !
     I  LOVE  YOU !    I  LOVE  YOU !    I  LOVE YOU !
     I  LOVE  YOU !    I  LOVE  YOU !    I  LOVE YOU !
     I  LOVE  YOU !    I  LOVE  YOU !    I  LOVE YOU !
     I  LOVE  YOU !    I  LOVE  YOU !    I  LOVE YOU !
     I  LOVE  YOU !    I  LOVE  YOU !    I  LOVE YOU !
    OVE YOU !
     I  LOVE  YOU !    I  LOVE  YOU !    I  LOVE YOU !
     I  LOVE  YOU !    I  LOVE  YOU !    I  LOVE YOU !
     I  LOVE  YOU !    I  LOVE  YOU !    I  LOVE YOU !
    U !    I  LOVE YOU !
     I  LOVE  YOU !    I  LOVE  YOU !    I  LOVE YOU !
    
    
    MAIL> 
    
    
    
    
    
    
        #23         22-OCT-1985 04:09:48                                        
    MAIL
    
    From:   BOS2A::RODM        
    To:     CABUYS,RODM        
    Subj:   and AGAIN!
    
     
     >>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<
     >>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<
     >>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<
     >>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<
     >>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<
     >>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<
     >>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<
     >>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<
     >>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<
     >>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<
     >>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<
     >>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<
     >>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<
     >>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<
     >>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<
     >>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<
     >>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<
     >>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<
     >>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<
     >>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<
     >>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<
     >>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<
    
    
    MAIL> 
    
        #24         22-OCT-1985 04:11:06                                        MAIL
    
    From:   BOS2A::RODM        
    To:     CABUYS,RODM        
    Subj:   and AGAIN!
    
     
     >>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<
     >>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<
     >>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<
     >>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<
     >>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<
     >>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<
     >>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<
     >>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<
     >>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<
     >>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<
     >>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<
     >>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<
     >>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<
     >>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<
     >>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<
     >>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<
     >>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<
     >>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<
     >>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<
     >>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<
     >>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<
     >>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<
    
    
    MAIL> 
    
        #25         22-OCT-1985 04:11:40                                        MAIL
    
    From:   BOS2A::RODM        
    To:     CABUYS,RODM        
    Subj:   one MORE time!
    
     
     >>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<
     >>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<
     >>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<
     >>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<
     >>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<
     >>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<
     >>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<
     >>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<
     >>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<
     >>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<
     >>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<
     >>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<
     >>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<
     >>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<
     >>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<
     >>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<
     >>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<
     >>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<
     >>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<
     >>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<
     >>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<
     >>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>> I  LOVE  YOU <<<<<<<<<<
    
    
    MAIL> 
    
        #26         23-OCT-1985 17:55:55                                        MAIL
    
    From:   BOS1A::CABUYS       "CONNIE"
    To:     RODM,CABUYS      
    Subj:   explanation
    
    Sweetheart,
    
    Don't be upset with me if you come in and find me on line and /gagged. I'm
    trying very hard to catch up on capturing the forum to disk.  Last message
    in file you captured is 165 which means I have a lot to do! <grin>
    
    I love you!!!!
    
    Love,
    Connie
    
    
    MAIL> 
    
        #27         23-OCT-1985 18:22:04                                        MAIL
    
    From:   BOS1A::CABUYS       "CONNIE"
    To:     JOHNMYSELF,CABUYS      
    Subj:   next 5 Trivia questions so I don't forget!
    
    1.  On average, how many pelvic thrusts does a man deliver during intercourse?
    
    2.  According to the Kinsey Report, during what activity do some individuals
    become unconscious for a matter of seconds or even for some minutes?
    
    3.  What is the most successful porno file of all time?
    
    4.  What famous hooker said:  "My method is basically the same as Masters and
    Johnson, only when they charge thousands of dollars it's called therapy.  I
    charge $50 and it's called prostitution."
    
    5.  How many people are involved in a "menage a cinq">?
    
    Answers
    =======
    
    1.  50-100
    2.  orgasm
    3.  Deep Throat
    4.  Xaviera Hollander
    5.  Five
    
    
    MAIL> 
    
        #28         23-OCT-1985 18:23:37                                        MAIL
    
    From:   BOS1A::CABUYS       "CONNIE"
    To:     RODM,CABUYS      
    Subj:   I'm all done now and no longer /gagged!
    
    
    and I love you very, very much!!!!!
    
    Love,
    Connie
    
    
    MAIL> 
    
    
    
    
        #29         25-OCT-1985 14:37:48                                        MAIL
    
    From:
       BOS1A::CABUYS       "CONNIE"
    To:     ROD
    M,CABUYS      
    Subj:   you should *always* have mail waiting!!! <grin>
    
    
    Sweetheart,
    
    I love you!!!
    
    Love, Connie
            
    
    
    MAIL> 
    
        #30         25-OCT-1985 14:38:00                                        MAIL
    
    From:   BOS1A::CABUYS       "CONNIE"
    To:     RODM,CABUYS      
    Subj:   saying it all again
    
    
    Sweetheart,
    
    I love you!!!
    
    Love, Connie
            
    
    
    MAIL> 
    
        #31         25-OCT-1985 14:38:13                                        MAIL
    
    From:   BOS1A::CABUYS       "CONNIE"
    To:     RODM,CABUYS      
    Subj:   I repeat
    
    
    Sweetheart,
    
    I love you!!!
    
    Love, Connie
            
    
    
    MAIL> 
    
        #32         25-OCT-1985 14:38:27                                        MAIL
    
    From:   BOS1A::CABUYS       "CONNIE"
    To:     RODM,CABUYS      
    Subj:   thisisfun
    
    
    Sweetheart,
    
    I love you!!!
    
    Love, Connie
            
    
    
    MAIL> 
    
        #33         25-OCT-1985 14:38:42                                        MAIL
    
    From:   BOS1A::CABUYS       "CONNIE"
    To:     RODM,CABUYS      
    Subj:   i should be working! <grin>
    
    
    Sweetheart,
    
    I love you!!!
    
    Love, Connie
            
    
    
    MAIL> 
    
    
    
    
        #34         25-OCT-1985 14:38:57                           
               
      MAIL
    
    From:   BOS1A
    ::CABUYS       "CONN
    IE"
    To:     RODM,CABUYS      
    
    Subj:   it's raining <s igh>
    
    
    Sweetheart,
    
    I love you!!!
    
    Love, Connie
            
    
    
    MAIL> 
    
        #35         25-OCT-1985 14:39:34                                        MAIL
    
    From:   BOS1A::CABUYS       "CONNIE"
    To:     RODM,CABUYS      
    Subj:   I wish I were there with you!!!
    
    
    Sweetheart,
    
    I love you!!!
    
    Love, Connie
            
    
    
    MAIL> 
    
        #36         25-OCT-1985 14:40:02                                        MAIL
    
    From:   BOS1A::CABUYS       "CONNIE"
    To:     RODM,CABUYS      
    Subj:   looking forwardt to our next *appointment* !!!!!
    
    
    Sweetheart,
    
    I love you!!!
    
    Love, Connie
            
    
    
    MAIL> 
    
        #37         25-OCT-1985 14:40:40                                        MAIL
    
    From:   BOS1A::CABUYS       "CONNIE"
    To:     RODM,CABUYS      
    Subj:   wonder howlong I cando this before I get caught?!?!?! <grin>
    
    
    Sweetheart,
    
    I love you!!!
    
    Love, Connie
            
    
    
    MAIL> 
    
        #38         25-OCT-1985 14:40:54                                        MAIL
    
    From:   BOS1A::CABUYS       "CONNIE"
    To:     RODM,CABUYS      
    Subj:   I hate this IBM keyboard!!
    
    
    Sweetheart,
    
    I love you!!!
    
    Love, Connie
            
    
    
    MAIL> 
    
        #39         25-OCT-1985 14:41:16                                        MAIL
    
    From:   BOS1A::CABUYS       "CONNIE"
    To:     RODM,CABUYS      
    Subj:   mmmmmmmmmmmmm!!!!! -have I told you lately that I love you!?!?!?!
    
    
    Sweetheart,
    
    I love you!!!
    
    Love, Connie
            
    
    
    MAIL> 
    
        #40         25-OCT-1985 14:41:32                                        MAIL
    
    From:   BOS1A::CABUYS       "CONNIE"
    To:     RODM,CABUYS      
    Subj:   hope fsubject line'snot too long
    
    
    Sweetheart,
    
    I love you!!!
    
    Love, Connie
            
    
    
    MAIL> 
    
        #41         25-OCT-1985 14:41:53                                        MAIL
    
    From:   BOS1A::CABUYS       "CONNIE"
    To:     RODM,CABUYS      
    Subj:   wish I knew how many dmails I've sent!!! <giggle>
    
    
    Sweetheart,
    
    I love you!!!
    
    Love, Connie
            
    
    
    MAIL> 
    
        #42         25-OCT-1985 14:42:16                                        MAIL
    
    From:   BOS1A::CABUYS       "CONNIE"
    To:     RODM,CABUYS      
    Subj:   thank *YOU* for a wonderful lunch!!!
    
    
    Sweetheart,
    
    I love you!!!
    
    Love, Connie
            
    
    
    MAIL> 
    
    
    
        #43         25-OCT-1985 14:42:33                           
                 MAIL
    
    From:   BOS1A::
    CABUYS       "CONNIE"
    To:     RO
    DM,CABUYS      
    Subj:   just being with you makes my day!!
    
    
    Sweetheart,
    
    I love you!!!
    
    Love, Connie
            
    
    
    MAIL> 
    
        #44         25-OCT-1985 14:42:55                                        MAIL
    
    From:   BOS1A::CABUYS       "CONNIE"
    To:     RODM,CABUYS      
    Subj:   oh well - I've lplayed longe enough - back to work
    
    
    Sweetheart,
    
    I love you!!!
    
    Love, Connie
            
    
    
    MAIL> 
    
        #45         25-OCT-1985 22:18:58                                        MAIL
    
    From:   BOS1A::JOHNMYSELF  
    To:     CABUYS
    Subj:   ?
    
    Roses are red,
    
    Violets are blue;
    
    Can't wait to get you in bed,
    
    and make sweet love to you.
    
                    Licking you in all the warm wet places.
    
    
    MAIL> 
    
        #46         26-OCT-1985 12:43:05                                        MAIL
    
    From:   BOS1A::CABUYS       "CONNIE"
    To:     JOHNMYSELF,CABUYS      
    Subj:   conference transcript
    
    Lover, while you and I make sweet passionate love <smile>, do you think yoyu
    could also upload the transcript of the *second* conference on sexual
    positions to me so I could edit and submit to database?
    
    Love,
    Connie
    
    
    MAIL> 
    
        #47         26-OCT-1985 14:47:26                                        MAIL
    
    From:   BOS1A::RODM        
    To:     CABUYS,RODM        
    Subj:   Working on SIG - GREAT!
    
    My DELICOUS Darling Connie,
    
    I can tell you are working on the sig 'cause I can't send!
    
    I wait patiently and anxiously!!!
    
    I LOVE YOUY !!!!!!!!!!!
    
    Love,
    
    Rod
    
    
    MAIL> 
    
    
        #48         26-OCT-1985 16:19:42                                        MAIL
    
    From:   BOS1A::RODM        
    To:     CABUYS,RODM        
    Subj:   dumpted!
    
    My Beloved Darling Connie,
    
    I was dumped by call-waiting and after answering the call and logging on
    you both <you and john> were gone!
    
    If you haven't already you {_need to call John and talk to him there is 
    something very wrong there!
    
    I hope I am wrong but I don't think so!!!!
    
    PLEASE let me know what you find out when you talk to him !!!
    
    He obvious
    ly is also chasing your body!!!
    !!!! <but i'm afraid there is more!>
    
    
    Until our next contact my Darling!!!!
    
    Love,
    
    Rod
    
    
    MAIL> 
    
        #49         26-OCT-1985 16:33:10                                        MAIL
    
    From:   BOS1A::RODM        
    To:     CABUYS
    Subj:   Don't forget to prepare comments!
    
    From:   BOS1A::RODM          6-OCT-1985 15:03
    To:     CABUYS,RODM        
    Subj:   list
    
    My Dear Connie,
     
    The  last  couple of conferences have dealt with sexual positions and  I  have 
    followed the discussions very closely but for several reasons could not put my 
    thoughts  and experiences together concisely enough nor can I enter data  fast 
    enough  or  even  tell it to you fast enough to keep up with the pace  of  the 
    conferences so I am formulating several lists and messages which might via the 
    forum or articles be of help to the SIG, its conferences, or its membership in 
    the future discussions.
     
    The  first  of  these is the following list of coital positions  that  I  have 
    experienced  with  varying  degrees of success.  This list  does  not  contain 
    positions for oral sex,  anal sex,  mutual masterbation,  or manual /  digital 
    <finger not computer>  stimulation,  nor does it include the  advantages  or 
    disadvatages of the positions listed but if I can develope the courage all  of 
    those lists and references will soon follow.
     
    I  hope  that when seen this list will make everyone aware that the  positions 
    are variations and many of them are actually very common,  others in the  list 
    are  NOT  real common and usually are related to  some  event,  occassion,  or 
    circumstance.
     
    Afterall  Life itself is filled with variations and often those variations are 
    the beauties, treasures, or 'flowers' of life!
     
    ENOUGH!! - Now the List!:
     
    Position    Woman's Position         Man's Position         Relative Positions
    ________    ______________________   _____________________  __________________
                                                                
    1           Lying on back            Horizontal above       Face to face
    2           "  "  "   "              "  "  "  "  "  "       Opposite(Head-toe)
    3           "  "  "  side            Beside                 Face to face 
    4           "  "  "   "              "  " (Forming 'X')     Back to face
    5           "  " / kneeling over     Kneeling               Man behind Woman
    6           Sitting/Kneeling atop    Lying on back          Facing
    7           "   "   "    "   " "     "  "   "  "            Woman facing away
    8           Squatting over           "  "   "  "            Facing
    9           "    "    " "            "  "   "  "            Woman facing away
    10          Sitting on Man           Sitting(leaning back)  Facing
                                         (man can reach woman)
    11          "    "  "  "             "  "                   Woman facing away
    12          Squatting over           "  "                   " "   "  "   "  "
    13          "    "    " "            "  "                   Facing
    14          Leaning onto table       Standing               Man behind Woman
    15          Lying on table           "   "                  Man facing Woman
                                                               (holding her legs)
    16          Leaning over low back    "   "                  Man behind Woman
                chair or arm of couch
    17          Standing (leaning back)  "   " (leaning back)   Facing
    18          "   "  (leaning forward) "   "                  Man behind Woman
     
    Note: Positions 17 & 18 are limited but what a way to end a mutual shower!!
    
    
    MAIL> 
    
        #50         26-OCT-1985 20:03:27                                        MAIL
    
    From:   BOS1A::CABUYS       "CONNIE"
    To:     BOS1A::RODM,CABUYS      
    Subj:   RE: dumpted!
    
    Sweetheart,
    
    It was difficult for me to talk anyway when you and John were on line but
    only because Chuck kept wondering in and out of the room. sigh.
    
    I called John just a little while ago.  Peg is away this weekend <she had not told me about this because we don't talk stu>; also last night some kids
    egged his house and car and put dirt into gas tank of car.
    
    I should have realized that Peg was away - that's when he always comes on to me
    or as you say "chasing my body".
    
    Unfortunately I was quickly informed that I had called at not too good a time
    because it was time for 'Airwolf' on TV.  oh well.
    
    Rod, I love them both very much, but obviously they can't be there for me when
    I need them and I can't be there for them if/when they need me.  I value their
    friendship very very much, yet see that I'm losing it and I don't really know
    how to recover it.
    
    Guess we'll <you and i> will be talking soon about this again.
    
    Love,
    Connie
    
    
    MAIL> 
    
        #51         26-OCT-1985 20:07:21                                        MAIL
    
    From:   BOS1A::CABUYS       "CONNIE"
    To:     RODM,CABUYS      
    Subj:   surprised at my feelings
    
    Sweetheart,
    
    This is going to sound very strange and it's not something I want you to make
    a big fuss over but if I tell you about it it will help me to deal with it.
    
    Strange as it seems, I feel rejection just because John acted as tho watching
    Airwolf on TV was more important than talking to me.  He said we could talk
    later tonight or tomorrow and I agreed,  but I *really* wanted to talk then.
    
    Am I being foolish? selfish? inconsiderate of him? or what?
    
    Am I going to feel the same way when you have something to do at a time when
    I want to talk to you?
    
    I certainly hope not! I don't like the way I feel right now!
    
    But I do know one thing -
    
    I love you very very much!
    
    Love,
    Connie
    
    
    MAIL> 
    
        #52         26-OCT-1985 20:18:13                                        MAIL
    
    From:   BOS1A::CABUYS       "CONNIE"
    To:     BOS1A::RODM,CABUYS      
    Subj:   RE: Don't forget to prepare comments!
    
    Here goes, Sweetheart!
    
    #1 - my favorite because of the "protected" feeling it gives me- however with
    you and I, I am always concerned about the pain you may feel.
    
    #2 - sounds interesting enough but I just can't picture it - very will to give
    it a try tho.
    
    #3 - never experienced this but willing to try
    
    #4 -  I think you know how I feel about this one! <grin>
    
    #5 - *if* this is one we tried before, I want very much to try it again! <grin>
    
    #6 - would take a lot of work to get me ready for this one, dear.
    
    #7 - same as #6
    
    #8 - same as #6
    
    #9 - kinda like floating around in the water, huh? <grin> can't imagine us
    doing it but wish we could!
    
    #10 - wish we could try this too
    
    #11 - willing to give this a try once or twice before I can say much more about
    it
    
    #12 - same as #11
    
    #14
    
    
    
    
    13 - same as #11
    
    #14 -
           definitely willing to try this and soon!
    
    #15 - not really interested in trying this - I don't trust the table to hold
    the weight.
    
    #16 - same as #14
    
    
    
    #17 - don't think I'd handle this very well at all.
    
    #18 - same as #17
    
    
    <how long will it take for these comments to come back 'haunt' me?><grin>
    
    I love you!
    
    Love,
    Connie
    
    
    MAIL> 
    
    
    
        #53         26-OCT-1985 20:25:16                           
                
     MAIL
    
    From:   BOS1A::CABUYS       "CONNIE"
    To:     PRINCESS,CABUYS      
    Subj:   hi
    
    Dear Peggy,
    
    I had planned to call you this weekend for a long chat but for obvious reasons
    can't.
    
    I am so very sorry that we are both so uncomfortable with each other these days
    that we can no longer share what is important to us.  If I am being too
    sensitive or selfish about this, please forgive me.
    
    We were always able to talk things out together before this.  I really do need
    to do that now.  I also need to talk about Rod, to share with you and John
    both about what is going on in my life.  But I can't do that either, until
    you and I have this behind us.
    
    I really want you to know that I still care very much about you and that we are
    still friends.  I do miss you so!!
    
    
    Love,
    Connie
    
    
    MAIL> 
    
        #54         26-OCT-1985 21:08:14                                        MAIL
    
    From:   BOS1A::CABUYS       "CONNIE"
    To:     RODM,CABUYS      
    Subj:   special delivery - hope you don't object!
    
     
    305  26-OCT 21:06 Open Forum
         sex positions & me
         From: CABUYS       To: ALL
     
    This is a tough one for me to share, but I'm going to give it my best.
     
    The conferences we've had here on sexual positions have lead to a lot
    of discussion between my lover and I, as well as some experimenting.
     
    He has tactfully pointed out to me that I don't like certain positions
    because I don't want to be put into the position of having to be the
    one responsible for the success of such.
     
    Although I've presented him with a number of reasons why certain
    positions don't work for me or appeal to me, he's sure it is because
    of my lack of confidence.  He's also very sure that we will work
    together to overcome this.
     
    What I'd like to hear from others here is why you *don't* like certain
    positions or why they don't work for you?
     
    (Honestly, I'm not looking for *new* reasons to add to my list, but it
    would be comforting to know that others might have similar
    likes/dislikes or problems.)
     
    Anyone willing to give this a try?
    r
    
    
    MAIL> 
    
        #55         26-OCT-1985 21:10:50                                        MAIL
    
    From:   BOS1A::CABUYS       "CONNIE"
    To:     JOHNMYSELF,CABUYS      
    Subj:   sig contract
    
    John,
    
    Did you ever get our copy of the signed contract back from Kelly before her
    departure from Delphi?
    
    If not, I'd like to get it ASAP.  If so, would you send me a copy please?
    
    Thanks, lover!
    
    Love,
    Connie
    
    
    MAIL> 
    
        #56         26-OCT-1985 21:11:53                                        MAIL
    
    From:   BOS1A::JOHNMYSELF  
    To:     BOS1A::CABUYS,JOHNMYSELF  
    Subj:   RE: sig contract
    
    
    will check but don't recall getting anything back.
    will check into it Monday if not.
    kiss
    
    
    MAIL> 
    
    
    
    
        #57         27-OCT-1985 01:18:31                                       
     MAIL
    
    From:   BOS1A:
    :RODM        
    To:     BOS1A::CABUYS,RODM        
    Subj:   RE: special delivery - hope you don't object!
    
    My Beloved DELICOUS Darling Connie,
    
    I hope this message brings you many viewpoints and some answers to your question
    s
    
    By this message I mean the one you posted in the forum about sexual positions.
    
    The one thing that your message said that I didn't realize and I hope I can 
    correct is that I referred to your inconfidence but I didn't mean you to think
    that I thought that the other reasons you give are not valid ones I agree that 
    they are but I thought the MAIN reason was the fear on your part about having th
    e
    'principle' role.
    
    If I conveyed to you that I thought you lack of confidence was the only reason
    then I am 'undermining' your confidence and not helping it and I would NEVER wan
    t 
    to do that!!!
    
    I do think that whatever you would like for us to try together we can do!!!!
    
    I wrote this on-line and made a mess - I will edit and resend it!
    
    My Darling I love you so very VERY much and want more than anything YOUR
    happiness and pleasure in ALL that we do!!!!
    
    Love,
    
    Rod
    
    
    MAIL> 
    
        #58         27-OCT-1985 01:50:54                                        MAIL
    
    From:   BOS1A::RODM        
    To:     CABUYS,RODM        
    Subj:   Resend!
    
     
    My Beloved DELICOUS Darling Connie,
     
    I  hope  this  message  brings you many viewpoints and  some  answers  to  your 
    
    questions.
     
    By this message I mean the one you posted in the forum about sexual positions.
     
    The  one  thing that your message said that I didn't realize and I hope  I  can 
    
    correct is that I referred to your inconfidence but I didn't mean you to  think 
    
    that  I thought that the other reasons you give are not valid ones I agree that 
    
    they  are but I thought the MAIN reason was the fear on your part about  having 
    
    the 'principle' role.
     
    If I conveyed to you that I thought you lack of confidence was the only  reason 
    
    then  I  am 'undermining' your confidence and not helping it and I would  NEVER 
    
    want to do that!!!
     
    I do think that whatever you would like for us to try together we can do!!!!
     
    I wrote this on-line and made a mess - I will edit and resend it!
     
    My  Darling  I  love  you so very VERY much and want  more  than  anything  YOUR
     
    happiness and pleasure in ALL that we do!!!!
     
    Love,
     
    Rod
     
    
    
    MAIL> 
    
        #59         27-OCT-1985 02:22:44                                        MAIL
    
    From:   BOS1A::RODM        
    To:     CABUYS,RODM        
    Subj:   Special Delivery for you!
    
     
    308  27-OCT 02:16 Open Forum
         RE: sex positions & me (Re: Msg 305)
         From: RODM         To: CABUYS (NR)
     
    WOW!
     
    You are presenting a chalanging question!
     
    I guess the first thing that comes to mind that I would share is that anything
    as intimate as sexual positions must be the mutual adventure of BOTH partners
    and never be something imposed by one on the other.
     
    The next thing is that whatever objection one partner has to a particular sexual
    
    position, act, or anything shared that objection should be recognized as a valid
    
    one and that objection answered by BOTH and an agreement hopefully reached!
     
    Now for the question as to positions NOT liked.
     
    I am going to NOT be specific but say that there several positions I find
    unfavor
    able for reasons of discomfort, <physical and psychological> not expressive of
    love and passion, or just not possible for me to perform!
     
    In all of the cases above I feel justified in my objections and trust my partner
    
    will be respective of my objections.
     
    In my history such objections were sometimes NOT respected and that can cause
    something that may be between or a combination of humiliation and pain to my
    person or ego.
     
    I hope I NEVER cause that discomfort for my Love!
     
    I hope that posses some answer or support for you and anyone else.
     
    Rodm
    
    
    MAIL> 
    
        #60         27-OCT-1985 03:53:53                                        MAIL
    
    From:   BOS1A::RODM        
    To:     CABUYS,RODM        
    Subj:   Withdrawn - awaiting comments
    
    My Beloved C
    Re,
     
    I deleted my message from the forum because I was afraid it might be taken as
    a rebutal and that can not be!!
     
    After you read my comment let me know how appropiate you think my comment is
    to be placed in the forum.
     
    Love,
     
    Rod
    
    
    MAIL> 
    
        #61         27-OCT-1985 08:20:54                                        MAIL
    
    From:   BOS1A::CABUYS       "CONNIE"
    To:     BOS1A::RODM,CABUYS      
    Subj:   RE: Resend!
    
    Honey,
    
    You have in no way undermined my confidence.  If you had, that particular
    message would never have been posted.
    
    Granted, I know me well enough to know that I lack confidence in a lot of
    areas but since you've entered my life, my confidence has increased in so
    many ways that I'm not even sure you understand all the changes that have
    occurred within me! 
    
    I was so worried about posting that message, thinking that you might object
    because I had taken something very personal and intimate between us and
    "gone public" with it.  I hoped that I had worded the message in the right
    way to convey only the fear I have of being in the 'principle' role.
    
    And you did hit the nail square on the head when you made that observation!
    And I've acknowledged it. So with your loving help, we overcome, right?
    <smile>
    
    I do love you so very, very much!
    
    Love,
    Connie
    
    
    MAIL> 
    
    
        #62         27-OCT-1985 08:22:27                                        MAIL
    
    From:   BOS1A::CABUYS       "CONNIE"
    To:     BOS1A::RODM,CABUYS      
    Subj:   RE: Resend!
    
    Sweetheart,
    
    I almost forgot one thing - the reason I posted the message is not so much as
    whether *I* can get some answers, as much as it is hoping to help others
    realize they may be faced with something similar.
    
    Love,
    Connie
    
    
    MAIL> 
    
    
        #63         27-OCT-1985 08:24:20                                        MAIL
    
    From:   BOS1A::CABUYS       "CONNIE"
    To:     BOS1A::RODM,CABUYS      
    Subj:   RE: Withdrawn - awaiting comments
    
    Darling,
    
    Please re-enter your message in the forum for me.
    
    I love you!
    
    Love,
    Connie
    
    P.S.  The next message to you is what I plan to answer your message with when
    you've re-entered it.  Ok?
    
    I love you!
    
    
    MAIL> 
    
    
        #64         27-OCT-1985 08:31:57                                        MAIL
    
    From:   BOS1A::CABUYS       "CONNIE"
    To:     RODM,CABUYS      
    Subj:   my answer to your forum message
    
    I've been very lucky!  My partner and I have the mutual respect and love for
    each other that allows us to talk about *EVERYTHING* including our deepest
    feelings about the mutual adventure we are sharing.
    
    Love, support, understanding and communication between lovers is so important
    but too often we get so wrapped up in other things that this all gets put on
    hold.
    
    In this particular incident I have to admit that I *thought* I was doing very
    well in keeping the real reason for objecting to various positions well hidden.
    You can imagine my shock when his comment hit the nail square on the head!
    Now that I've acknowledged the real reason, he and I can go on together to
    hopefully overcome this.
    
    
    
    MAIL> 
    
    No more messages
    
    
    MAIL> 
    

  • Digital Archaeology: Codex (Floppy Disk) #10 (part 2)


    A summary for those that haven’t been keeping up with this series:

    I found a number of 5.25″ disks at a thrift store a number of years ago. I finally got around to acquiring a 5.25″ disk drive and extracting the contents a while back. Since then I have been posting the contents here.

    Based on the contents, at least some of these disks were apparently once owned by someone named Connie who used to run the “Close Encounters” Special Interest Group (SIG) on Delphi in the mid 1980s.

    A specific definition of this SIG was found in a document on one of the disks: “This SIG, known as ‘Close Encounters’, is a forum for the discussion of relationships that develop via computer services like the Source, CompuServe, and Delphi. Our primary emphasis is on the sexual aspects of those relationships.”

    This service was text based and was accessed via whatever terminal program you used on your computer to dial in to Delphi’s servers. Many of these disks have forum messages, e-mails and chat session logs. All of this is pre-internet stuff and I don’t know if there are any archives in existence today of what was on Delphi in the 1980s. In any case, much of this stuff would have been private at the time and probably wouldn’t be in such archives even if they existed.

    This post includes the contents of CLEC01.DOC. The file is dated October 26th, 1985 and contains a chat log about marriage, specifically regarding the question ‘Why get married?’.

    See the previous post here.

    ===
    CLEC01.DOC
    ===

     
     ** New group name "CLE - WHY MARRY ?" selected **
    
     ** NJOHNSON just joined CLE - WHY MARRY ? (2 members now) **
     ** JOEY just joined CLE - WHY MARRY ? (3 members now) **
     ** RBS just joined CLE - WHY MARRY ? (4 members now) **
     ** Dick just joined CLE - WHY MARRY ? (5 members now) **
    
     Myself> ATTN:...
     Myself> is time to discuss (or discover) the reason for marriage.
     JOEY> Hi Dick.
     Myself> one thing is certain before we start...
     Myself> Lawyers were invented AFTER the fact.
     RBS> brb
     RBS> - signed off -
     NJOHNSON> Your sure about that now?
     Myself> Yes, when they saw the possibilities in marriage - they
             immediately started
     NJOHNSON> i c
     Myself> specializing in the creation and maintainance of divorce
     JOEY> and charges.
     Myself> <yes nance - I'm sure>
     Myself> but on the more serious side....
     Myself> why marry in the first place?
     Myself> <comments here>
     Myself> <write legibly>
     JOEY> !
     Myself> ga joey
     JOEY> Well, I think that after two people see each other for
           awhile....
     NJOHNSON> Well in Justins First Apology it saids Marry for the
               purpose of raising a family or abstain completely. ga
     JOEY> They seem to think getting married married is a way of claiming
           the other person. ga
     Myself> claiming the other for what purpose
     Myself> don't they have enuf trouble
     Myself> with themselves?
     JOEY> For themselves, John. Less chance of them leaving.
           Probably....
     JOEY> a self confidence problem for some people.
     Myself> no doubt
     Myself> any one here tonight who is married?
     JOEY> Not me.
     Myself> well don't all spk at once.
     Myself> I can only take so much at one time <grin>
     Myself> dick care to comment?
     Dick> on being married?
     Myself> yes
     Dick> I like it!
     Myself> why?
    
     ** ray just joined CLE - WHY MARRY ? (5 members now) **
    
     Myself> hi ray
     JOEY> Hi Ray.
     NJOHNSON> hi
     ray> hi all
     Dick> it keeps me off the street corners and out of the bars <grin>
     Dick> also very broke.
     ray> long time no see
     Myself> I have a computer that does that much!
     Dick> however I find it very comfortable to have a family and its
           support to  offset the responsibilities of raising childern and
           being responsive to my wife's needs.
     Myself> ok
     Dick> the computer only adds to the problems when I spend too much
           time and/or money on it <grin>
     Myself> of course, if u weren't married you would not have those
             things to be offset.
     Myself> which it almost always does right?
     Dick> true, I'd find other vices to spend time and money on.
     NJOHNSON> - signed off -
     Myself> right
     Dick> right!
     JOEY> brb
     JOEY> - signed off -
    
     ** JOEY just joined CLE - WHY MARRY ? (4 members now) **
    
     JOEY> hmmm, couldn't find anybody.
     Myself> only 7 hrs dick?
     Dick> took a break for some "honeydo's"
     ray> - signed off -
     Myself> at least she was doing <an not don't ing>
     Dick> agreed.
     Myself> <remark contributed by Princess>
     JOEY> hehehe
     Myself> that was a quick co
    
     Myself> ** New group name "CLE THIS IS A CONFERENCE??" selected **
    
     Dick> so much for tonight.  see you in Forum.
     Myself> right
     JOEY> System is going nuts.
     Myself> so am I
    
     ** Marti just joined CLE THIS IS A CONFERENCE?? (3 members now) **
    
     JOEY> Hi Marti.
     Marti> Hi Joey
     JOEY> shhhhh, John.
     Myself> well, s abt time u got here <grin>
     Marti> Sorry....just got back from Boston
     Myself> thats true joey
     Marti> went 70 mph
     JOEY> WOW!
     Marti> well....almost
     Myself> will stick around till ten then hanging it up otherwise.
     JOEY> How was it?
     Marti> Wonderful!!!!
     JOEY> <jealous>
     Marti> Anyone else coming?
     JOEY> Not me.
     Myself> I am not even breathing hard!
     Marti> sheesh
     Myself> u askd
     Marti> you guys are no fun
    
     ** RODM just joined CLE THIS IS A CONFERENCE?? (4 members now) **
    
     Myself> hi rod
     JOEY> Hi Rod.
     Marti> Hi Rod!
     RODM> hey there
     JOEY> How you know Marti?
     Myself> u w the stars in ur eyes.
     Marti> hhmmm...guess I don't really know, do I?
     Myself> no!!
     Myself> for the record - I'm no fun
     Myself> just ask my favorite women!
     Marti> I don't believe that, John.
     Marti> women?
     JOEY> Princess, you there?
     JOEY> ahem
     Marti> he said "women"
     Myself> something wrong with your hem joey?
     JOEY> Yep, too short.
    
     ** EFK just joined CLE THIS IS A CONFERENCE?? (5 members now) **
    
     Marti> who else should we ask, John?
     JOEY> Hi Liz.
     Marti> Hi Elizabeth
     EFK> Hi All.
     RODM> Hi Liz
    
     ** Bob just joined CLE THIS IS A CONFERENCE?? (6 members now) **
    
     Myself> yeah, let it down and for god's sake cover those knees!
     Myself> hi lz
     Marti> Hi Bob
     JOEY> Hi Bob.
    
     Myself> ** New group name "CLE - WHY MARRY" selected **
    
     Bob> rehi all
     EFK> Why the Is this a conference name?
     EFK> Never you mind.
     Myself> because I thot no-one was going to show up
     EFK> Here's me.
     Myself> I am going to post a poll later thes evening on the subject
     Myself> of conference starting time.
     Myself> be sure to vote.
     EFK> Just got back from the Computer show.  Didn't make the early
          train. Sorry to be late.
     RODM> what show?!!
     JOEY> - signed off -
     Bob> - signed off -
     Myself> I heard there was a computer running around Boston in the
             Nude!
     RODM> oops there we go again!
     EFK> Madison Square Garden Selling show.
     Marti> Where Myself?
     Myself> everyone called that a computer show <grin>
     Myself> princess sends all her love.
     EFK> Tell her thanks.
     EFK> But she should save some.
     RODM> Likewise and tell her I miss her!
     Myself> says she has plenty to go around - thinks she is Juliet
     Myself> the more she gives the more she has.
     EFK> Saw a great button at the show a propos this sig...
     EFK> Nice computers don't go down.
     RODM> on line that is!!!
     Myself> right!!
     EFK> Someone should tell Delphi's VAX that!
     Myself> that's the Vax of life my friend.
     Marti> BRB..going to mail
     EFK> ok Marti.  We'll still be here.
     Myself> Liz - where's jane?
     EFK> Wanna wait for everybody to come back before we start?
     EFK> Was just gonna ask that myself.
     Myself> I'm still waiting for everyone to arrive in the first place.
     EFK> And I thought I was late.  Never again guilt
     Marti> I just got here too, Liz.....THEY were early.
     Myself> We were on time - note official co schedule time is 9:30 pm
             eastern time.
     EFK> Oh. Thought it was 9.
     Marti> Oh yeah?
     RODM> I'm ALWAYS late - the LATE Rod!
     Myself> I heard another name rod
     Myself> something applicable to warmer temps. <griggle>
     RODM> several I suspect!!!
     RODM> most of them bad!!
     EFK> What are you talking about?
     Marti> Is Connie coming tonight?
     Marti> <no comment myself>
     Myself> just running off at the mouth luv.
     RODM> I think so
     EFK> Fill my screen, Big Boy.
     RODM> she will be latre!
     RODM> late! that is
     Myself> what do u mean will be - she is <hahaha>
     Marti> Guess joey and bob are having problems.
     EFK> <he he ha>
     Myself> I didn't know they were c'ing ea other <gasp!>
     RODM> She should be arriving Jax about NOW!
     Myself> hahahahahahaha
     Myself> be at least 40 minutes b 4 she gets near to being on-line
     Marti> hhmm....it IS suspicious, Myself
     RODM> >John >2
     Myself> well shall we continue or what?
     RODM> go for it!
     Myself> ok....
     Marti> yes, Myself
    
     ** JOEY just joined CLE - WHY MARRY (5 members now) **
    
     Myself> the appointed topic is why marry, and 2 out of 3 people
             responsible for the suggested topic are now here so liz - go
             for it.
     JOEY> I miss anything?
     Marti> Hi Joey
     EFK> I ask this questin because...
     Myself> not yet joey
     Myself> <is bob ok? <griggle>>
    
     ** FRIDAY just joined CLE - WHY MARRY (6 members now) **
    
     EFK> More and more people are living together instead of going "legal
     FRIDAY> evening
     EFK> Hi Bob
     JOEY> Hi Richard. Long time no see.
     FRIDAY> yeah..good to be back!
     Marti> <Hi Richard>
     Myself> <lo rich>
     EFK> Why get legally married is a good questin for the 80's.
     RODM> rehi
     EFK> Do I have to go first?
     Myself> no
     Myself> but u may.
     FRIDAY> <grin>
     EFK> Ok.  The first time or the second?
     Myself> does it matter?  - yes it does
     EFK> yes it does.
     Myself> the first time is excusable - after that ur on ur own.
     Myself> lets start at the beginning
     EFK> I got married the first time after living together because...
     EFK> something in the back of my mind...
     EFK> (in my mother's voice) said I should be married.
     Myself> <mothers are like that>
     EFK> I was 22, and all that brainwashing is hard to overcome.
     EFK> The second time, Alex & I lived together first too, and I didn't
          want to get married.
     EFK> But he had never been married, and I think he wanted the legal 
          commitment. Since it didn't matter to me either way, no
          difference in my mind, anyway, I married him.
     Myself> and?
     EFK> I think people marry for the commitment.  But is it really
          necessary?
     Myself> good q
     EFK> And what really IS the commitment?  "fidelity" (I hate that
          word.)
     JOEY> !
     EFK> ga
     Myself> joey
     JOEY> I will say it again.. Men are not as self confident as
           women......
     JOEY> and they want the commitment because of jealousy or lack
           of.....
     JOEY> self confidence. ga
     Marti> ?
     Myself> ok, both valid points
     Myself> and no doubt some validity in both
     Myself> marti ga
     Marti> One thing we are overlooking here....
     Marti> is children...IF we decide we want them...
     Marti> aren't they entitled to have a mom and pop...
     EFK> !
     Marti> rather than mom and one of her friends? GA
     Myself> ef ga
     Myself> <then me>
     EFK> I would have kids whether I was married or not.  I'm not talking
          about a "friend."
     EFK> I'm talking about my mate whether we had the "piece of paper" or
          not, the commitment is the same.  And re: self confidence,
          you're as confident as you tell yourself you are. ga
     Myself> ok.
     Marti> !
     Myself> first - parents make a whole nother topic - but
     Myself> marriage per se doesn't make parents any more than does the
             biology of sex
     Myself> marti on ! and back to me
     Myself> ga
     Marti> ok....the "piece of paper"....
     Marti> makes it legal in the eyes of the court...
     Marti> if your mate decides he wants to split....
     Marti> even if he admits paternity....
     Marti> judges don't give as much support money to...
     Marti> "illegitimate" children....
     Marti> I think they are entitled to the legality...
     Marti> love is wonderful....and I'm not talking about being...
     Marti> good parents or bad partents...but I think children...
     Marti> should be made to feel they are "legal"...just my feeling. GA
     Myself> good points marti
     Myself> and the legal issue is very important
     Myself> indeed, but strictly speaking - parents are those who raise
             and love you
     Myself> which often has little to do with the marital status of the
             parent figures.
     Marti> <agreed>
     Myself> also, I think this current generation is far too ready to
             split and seems to be
     Myself> for ever looking for a way out if things don't go quite
             right.
     JOEY> True, John.
     Myself> sure, kids deserve parents, n I don't think a kid is any less
     Myself> legit <regardless of man made laws>
     Myself> just cause the parents weren't married.
     Myself> I think also, that the courts
     Myself> are starting to look at a lot of issues differently which is
             good.
     Myself> like the issue of custody - used to be the mother always got
             it except for rare cases - and the man never had a chance to
             do anything but pay for the rest of his life.
     Myself> ga
     Marti> ?
     Myself> <been on soap box too long>
     Myself> ga
     Marti> me?
     Myself> ur up marti
     Marti> Well...we're getting off the topic a bit..
    
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     Marti> but just want to say...
     Myself> <that happens>
     JOEY> hi
     John> (Hello folks)
     Marti> Hi John!!!!!!!!!!...
     Marti> I'm glad things have changed...
     Marti> I know many men who are better parents that wome...
     Marti> women...
     Marti> but I still think...if at all possible...
     Marti> if you plan to raise a family....you should have that...
     Marti> little piece of paper....
     EFK> Sorry Marti.  Why?
     Myself> my q too
     Marti> if kids are not involved...it's strictly between the people...
     Marti> lots. of reasons, Liz....
     Myself> exactly
     Marti> what about social security....
     John> ?
     Marti> inheritance and such...
     EFK> ?!
     Myself> what abt it?  uncle sam is going to kill the program b 4 our
             kids get to it.
     Marti> GA
     Myself> < john , efk >
     Myself> john ga
     John> Ok thnx
     Myself> <aft john - efk, me>
     John> the 'piece of paper' is to protect the offspring.
     John> more than anything else.
     John> It will also protect the right, such as they are, of the spouse
     John> in the event of a death.
     John> there is a case in court here cos a woman died and her
           'husband' wants executorship of the estate.  However she had
           filed for a divorce about six months ago.
     Marti> <what happened?>
     John> They were already separated when she died.  The husband
           allegedly owes the estate approx. 50,000 now.
     Marti> <boooooo>
     John> the case just went to hearing on thursday.
     Myself> <that will take a while>
     John> <I agree Marti>
     John> anyway to get back to why get married.
     John> Like I said earlier to provide for the children.
     John> Ga
     Myself> ef ga
     EFK> Tks.
     EFK> First of all, if it's money you're talking about...
     John> <Have u ever tried to concentrate n tis and an Agatha Christe movie?? grin>
     EFK> alimony is the price men have had to pay for keeping women
          down..
     EFK> Secondly, this is not a questin of money at least in my eyes.
     John> < I hate to say this but some let themselves be kept.>
     EFK> There's nothing wrong with being old fashioned and saying that
          the courts have to protect our poor defenseless little ones,
          but...
     EFK> you talk as though marriage keeps families together, when we see
          all around us that this is not so.
     EFK> First, staying together for the "sake of the children" is bad
          for the children.  What happens when they're grown up?
     EFK> Second, we live in an age where the phrase "blended family" has
          been coined...
     Myself> <now we are approaching my points>
     Marti> <I agree completely>
     EFK> two kids from his first wife, one from my second husband. etc. 
          How good is that for the kids?
     EFK> ga whoever.
     Myself> me
     Myself> thank you...
     Myself> and first - yes, if you are planning to raise a family in the
             strict legal sense of things, you should be 'married',
             however, having said that...
     Myself> let me also say that I lived with my second wife and was
             every bit married to her without the "paper
     EFK> That's it exactly.  Then why did you get married?
     Myself> and nothing has changed since getting it.
     Myself> Marriage (to my mind) is the committment shared between two
             people and the 'legal marriage' is merely an outward sign of
             that.
     John> ?
     Myself> <john next>
     Myself> the children will be every bit protected as long as the
             family unit chooses to provide for that.  As marti pointed
             out earlier..
     Myself> it is between themselves.  If for example two people profess
             to be married..
     Myself> who can say otherwise as long as they provide for their
             family?
    
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     JOEY> Hi.
     Myself> whose business is it any way if they choose to be married
             without a 'legal' ceremony.?
     EFK> !
     Marti> <Hi ESG>
     Myself> as for inherritance, that with proper planning will be the
             same.
     ESG> hi marti
     Myself> and social sec will die of old age before I do.
     Myself> ef on ! then john ga
     EFK> me too, myself
     EFK> tks
     EFK> I just remembered, in addition to my mother's voice, there was
          great social pressure to get married (1974).
     EFK> It's so weird.  No one tells you directly, but the pressure is
          there. Also..
     EFK> You have no name for your lover/roommate/paramour?/mate etc.  It
          was so nice and easy to say "This is my husband."
     Myself> <social pressure - peer pressure never fazed me that much>
     EFK> As to whose business it is if anyone is married, somehow society
          still sanctions the institution.  If anything happened to Alex
          (heaven forbid), I would never marry again, kids or no kids. ga
     Myself> john ga
     John> Ok
     ESG> - signed off -
    
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     EFK> (rehi Bob)
     John> There are at least two forms of marriage.
     Bob> rehi all... back from dumyland
     John> the 'legal' and 'religous or moral' type.
     Myself> <u look ok 4 a dummy - grin>
     John> It seems as if we are geting the two mxied.  (Which they are in
           the US.)
     Bob> (actually it was dumpyland)
     John> It also seems as if we agree that the 'legal' form is for the
           protection of the offspring and survivng dependent spouse,
           whether or not that be male or female.)
     John> ga
     Myself> ok
     Myself> good point - however - marriage is marriage-
     Myself> legal, moral or other-
     Myself> I mean consider a moment
     Myself> adam & eve.
     Myself> they were NEVER married as we understand it.
     Myself> God created them, put them in a garden and said "do it"
     Myself> that's all
     EFK> !
     Myself> they were society!
     John> <marriage is a creation of man!!>
     Myself> ef on ! ga
     EFK> Religion is not to be confused with mythology, Myself.
     John> gotta go folks need shower am going out in abt 15.
     Myself> bye john
     EFK> Night John.
     JOEY> Bye John.
     Bob> point is still valid liz
     Myself> I make no stand on the story - I simply present it as given.
     John> have a good weekend all
     Bob> nite
     John> - signed off -
     EFK> I don't, Myself.  It is not given at all!
     Myself> the point is important not the nature of the story containing
             it.
     Bob> !
     Myself> bob on !  ga
     EFK> ga I'm done.
     Bob> the point is, whether you accept the story or not..
     Bob> at some point in history, there first appeared creatures you
          would consider human...
     EFK> (there still are)
     Myself> <grin>
     Bob> they procreated without any concept of marriage as we 
          understand it
     Bob> the importance of the source (i.e. the story)
     Bob> is whether they were monogamous
     Bob> & that can't be objectively established
     EFK> If there were no other women, how could Adam fool around?
     EFK> and vice versa, of course.
     Marti> <must have been some incest there also>
     Myself> <is easy to be faithful when you have no choices huh?>
     Bob> within a generation or 2, I'm sure the opportunity was there
     EFK> Are you equating marriage and sex? Tsk tsk.
     Myself> hell no
     EFK> Bob?
     Myself> they aren't even related except that some married people do
             it.
     Bob> (I wish a co-worker of mine were here... he could argue the
          theology *very* pursuasively)
     Myself> theology per se is not this sig's topic.
     Bob> not at all, liz...
     Bob> however...
     Bob> marriage - sex = best friends
     EFK> I'm missing the point, then.
     Myself> <Goldie Hawn & Burt Reynolds - good flick>
     Bob> (best friends + sex = marriage ?)
     Myself> not necessarily bob
     EFK> Ah, now you may have something.
     JOEY> Can be a disaster.
     Myself> The point in Marriage is that two people make independent
             choices on the way things will be.  Then they decide whether
     Bob> independent or inter-dependent?
     Myself> or not to enter into the 'institution' of marriage.
     Myself> However, they can be just as married without it and its only
             their own business.
     Myself> a bit of both bob.
     Myself> the man made rules
     EFK> man-made, indeed.
     Myself> regarding marriage came much later in mans history and was
     Bob> indeed, liz!
     Myself> originally intended to serve to strengthen the family
     Myself> and social structures.
     Myself> In this so called 'modern' age it serves as little more than
     Bob> which has historically proved to be a positive feature
     Myself> a legal strangle hold on people wanting to 'cut their losses'
             when times aren't good enough for them.
     Bob> !
     Myself> ga bob
     Bob> I have to begin disagreeing, John...
     Myself> ga
     Myself> <devils advocate can be an interesting role>
     Bob> you're falling into the trap of thinking of historical times as
          somehow less advanced, more primitive
     Bob> technology has advanced, people have stayed pretty much the same
     Myself> that is true enough
     Bob> human nature (judging by history) is pretty much the same now as
          in prehistoric times
     EFK> If you believe in human nature, that is.
     EFK> Which I don't
     Bob> so, if marriage and the structures it supports had a valid
          function then, the institution porbably has a more valid
          function than a myopic look-ahead type view would seem to
          indicate
     Bob> e.g.
     Myself> yes, it no doubt does.
     Bob> during my lifetime, the institution of marriage was widely
          assailed actively during the 60's
     Bob> we're now seeing a backlash in terms of...
     Bob> unstable, stressful relationships, troubled kids,
     Myself> <next>
     Bob> pandemic diseases, etc.
     Bob> ga
     Myself> ok
     Myself> points taken....
     Myself> basically, marriage does some other things so far hinted at..
     EFK> (I can take a hint)
     Myself> and that is it provides a certain feeling of security, and
             importance to the people involved.
     Myself> admittedly, not everyone is cut to be married and they should
             follow their own course
     Bob> !
     Myself> but there are those who need that in many respects.  It says
             simply 'I belong'
     Myself> ga bob
     Bob> (finishing previous thought)
     Marti> <I agree Myself>
     Bob> the lesson was that once again people let technology (the pill)
          blind them to the other practical aspects of something it had
          taken many generations to learn & build upon
     Bob> other issue is...
     Bob> there is a more abstract value to be gained by the institution,
          though it is not very popular these days
     Bob> that is the daily experience of balancing the needs of the
          individual with the common goals and attendent submission of the
          ego to those goals
     Bob> unpopular because it's trendy in psychobabble circles to assume
          that self-involvement must come before all else
     Bob> ga
     JOEY> !
     Myself> ok.
     Myself> joey ga
     JOEY> I only have one thing to say.....
     JOEY> People usually get married because they love each other......
     JOEY> and want to spend the rest of their life with the other
           person....
     Myself> <right>
     JOEY> Whether it is legal or not doesn't matter.
     RBS>> suggested topic "what is love"
     EFK> How romantic <swoon>
     JOEY> g
     EFK> !
     JOEY> ga
     Myself> ef ga
     Myself> <good suggestion rbs>
     EFK> Love is not enough.
     Myself> <also true>
     JOEY> true
     EFK> Sex is not enough
     EFK> Kids are not enough.
     JOEY> wellllll
     EFK> If people only realized how much work "spending the rest of your
          life with someone" was, they'd think about it more...
     Myself> common interest isn't enough either.
     Myself> that is very true
     Myself> and then maybe fewer people would get divorced.
     EFK> I realize I think too much, but that's why I didn't feel the
          *need* to get married.  I would have felt married regardless of
          the ceremony...
     Bob> all are enough *IF* they are shared common goals, worked at
          equally
     JOEY> It's work, but not bad work!
     EFK> But Alex needed it, and I love him, so I did it for  him.  After
          all, I did want to spend the rest of my life with him <grin>
     Myself> sometimes it's the pits joey
     EFK> No, not the pits.
     JOEY> I know, John, I know.
     Bob> too many people get married when they're *in love* with someone,
          not when they *love* someone
     EFK> Just very VERY hard work.
     EFK> Bob, you're a genius.
     Myself> close anyway
     JOEY> They get married before the infatuation is over.
     Bob> duh, say what?!?
     EFK> Of course.  Joey is right.  They should wait until the "rush"
          goes away and then decide.
     Bob> but...
     Bob> they're bombarded by the *rush*
     EFK> (it goes away)
     Myself> that is where the decisions come in.  which you don't make
             well when your head is not in gear.
     EFK> If the rush didn't go away, we'd all starve to death.
     Bob> they see hours every day where people meet, fall in love (sic) &
          make commitments between the titles & the closing credits!
     Myself> I'll drink to that.
     EFK> <pouring>
     Bob> note:
     Myself> <thnx dear>
     Myself> <next>
     Bob> these people they see rarely have money prob's, pet peeves,
          sexual dysfunctions, b.o., morning mouth, etc.
     EFK> <grin>
     Bob> & if they do... they get divorced just as fast as they got
          involved!
     JOEY> All in half an hour, too.
     Bob> (or move on to a new partner)
     EFK> Unless they stay in love and it turns to real love.
     EFK> That's a chance we all take.
     Myself> bob - done?
     Bob> considering the propaganda we're bombarded with, it's a miracle
          there are any stable relationships left at all! (there sure
          aren't too many in the land where the stories come from)
     Bob> ga
     Myself> exactly and to make a point
     Myself> from Liz's earlier comments abt the voices saying she had to
             get married..
     Myself> look at the stories we were 'sold' in our early education...
     Myself> remember Dick and Jane?
     EFK> Vaguely
     Myself> they were the prototype of the married couple...
     EFK> sexist propaganda
     Marti> <I remember dick and Jane>
     JOEY> Me too.
     Myself> they lived in nice little white houses
     Myself> with picket fences and kind neighbors.
     Myself> cute little dogs etc.
     EFK> (See Spot run.)
     Bob> (I prefer chain link... no painting)
     EFK> (Run, run, run)
     Myself> they had nothing at all to do with the real world where
             pickets were laborers trying to get a decent wage from greedy
             bosses...
     Myself> they had no 'race' trouble - hell I don't recall thet they
             ever met a black person.
     Myself> and how did that house get paid for?  who knows, it was
             always theirs.
     Myself> <right??>
     RBS>> or greedy individuals who exepcted a living irregardless of the
           economy
     Myself> and what did they do when they grew up?
     Myself> of course, they married each other and
     Myself> perpetuated the structure.
     Myself> and then there was cinderella and that prince
     JOEY> Well, DickV was independently wealthty.
     EFK> <hehe>
     Myself> they lived 'hapilly ever after'
     EFK> !
     JOEY> And Jane loved it.
     Myself> with ravaging hordes trying to conguer their kingdom
     Myself> etc
     Bob> in my book, dick came out of the closet, while Jane was a leader
          of A.A. and M.A.D.D.after her 3rd divorce
     Myself> ga efk
     Myself> <cute bob>
     EFK> My parents are still blissfully (almost always) happy after 37
          years...
     EFK> In all fairness to my mother's pressure, I had very good role
          models for marriage right there in the house.  How could I not
          get married when they set such a good example?  ga
     Bob> !
     Myself> that is perhaps the most important reason why the idea stayed
             with you.
     Myself> lots of folks don't have the necessary role models to follow
     Myself> bob ga
     Bob> question: what were they doing right?
     Myself> <most things no doubt>
     EFK> yes.
     Bob> I think the one thread you'll find in most happy long-term
          relationships...
     Bob> is priorities
     Bob> what do each put first?
     EFK> And they fell in love at 14.  That's 43 years
     Myself> <each other if they lasted this long>
     Bob> if *both* honestly put the maintenance of the relatiopnship &
          the happiness of the other first, it'll generally work
     EFK> Absolutely.  They'd do anything for each other.  And my father
          is impossible to live with (he's a lot like me) <hehe>
     Bob> NOTE: this include ahead of careers & indiviual egos!
     JOEY> Definitive word, Bob. Both.
     Myself> <really goes without saying>
     Bob> necessary word, joey!
     Bob> I personally feel that the women's movement, which so many men
          decry, has helped a lot inthis regard
     Myself> so why get married?  because you both want to that's why.
     Bob> not that it's made things better... it hasn't
     EFK> Ta dah.  Case closed.
     Bob> but it has pointed out to men, by example, the effects & cost of
          putting other things in your life ahed of your family
     Myself> <wouldv'e made that point earlier - but would've been a short co>
     Bob> ga
     Myself> that is also true bob
     EFK> What about people who don't do what they want?
     Myself> xpln pls?
     EFK> Like I was telling Jane and Marti the other day...
     Bob> this was the position of the unsatisfied housewives before the
          liberation
     EFK> I just discovered that I generally don't consider what I *want*
          when I make a decision.
     Bob> I know I don't...
     EFK> I'm too analytical, and I don't follow my feelings.
     EFK> Care to comment?
     Bob> !
     Bob> sure
     Myself> I often don't get to do things I  think I  want
     Bob> I also always make plans around others in my family
     Myself> but is ok if everything else seems to work out.
     Bob> in all fairness, I get my way about as much as others...
     Myself> often by the time I think of it again, it really wasn't that
             important anyway.
     Bob> true john
     Myself> bob ga
     Bob> re: feelings
     Bob> returning to psychobabbly <retrieving favorite soapbox> feelings
          are over-rated
     Bob> they are great, sure
     Bob> they can be enjoyed, sure
     EFK> !
     Bob> but if you don't at least *try* to make them subservient to your
       intellect, you're destined to be a basket case, or irresponsible at
       best
     Bob> ga
     EFK> I don't think you understand what I meant.  Let me explain...
     EFK> When Alex wanted to get married,
     EFK> I weighed his feelings...
     EFK> security, money, sex, children etc.
     EFK> I never asked myself what did I *want*.
     EFK> Does that clarify it?
     Bob> !
     EFK> ga
     Myself> yes <but I didn't know u then <giggle>
     Myself> bob ga
     Bob> liz, you have to!
     EFK> I have to?
     Marti> <Gotta run...night all...hugs to everyone>
     Bob> it's part of the commitment...
     Myself> <not really>
     Bob> nite m
     EFK> Night Marti.  Come back soon!
     JOEY> Nite Marti, I am drooping, too.
     Bob> one last thought b4 I have to run, too...
     JOEY> Eyes, that is.
     Marti> <hahaha>
     Bob> on the insidiousness of psychobabble: once you do elect to
          exercize your intellect, you then are encouraged to analyze
          yourself into a Woody Allen-esque state of ineffectuality
     Bob> with that, I must be off for a bit...
     Marti> - signed off -
     Bob> <grin>
     EFK> Bye Bob.  Don't babble too much.
     Bob> I may be back... will see
     Bob> nite all
     EFK> Take care.
     JOEY> Nite bob
     Bob> bye
     Bob> adios
     Bob> au revoir
     Bob> ciao
     Bob> adieu
     Bob> auf viedersehen
     Bob> adio
     Bob> sayonara
     Bob> shalom
     Bob> <looking for cyrillic keys> da svedanya
     Bob> - signed off -
     JOEY> I need to go too.
     Myself> U know liz, u didn't ask urslf what u wanted, but u
             considered it
     EFK> Bye Joe.
     EFK> How, John?
     Myself> well, you obviously wanted to spend time <indeterminate amount> with him..
     EFK> yes,
     Myself> and in considering his feelings and wants/needs...
     Myself> you evidently considered that you wanted to meet them.
     EFK> I never thought I was so unselfish.  But I guess you proved me
          wrong!
     Myself> what you did do was to neglect consideration of whether or
             not your want not to marry
     Myself> was of greater import.
     JOEY> Nite all.
     EFK> Night Joe.
     Myself> in fact, you put your need not to marry ahead of his need to
             be.
     Myself> behind that is
     Myself> got my tenses mixed again
     JOEY> - signed off -
     EFK> Thanks for the thought.  I appreciate it.
     Myself> ur wlcm
     Myself> and thanx for the topic.  worked out ok for just a few of us.
    
    

  • Digital Archaeology: Codex (Floppy Disk) #9 (part 9)




    A summary for those that haven’t been keeping up with this series:

    I found a number of 5.25″ disks at a thrift store several years ago. I finally got around to acquiring a 5.25″ disk drive and extracting the contents a while back. Since then I have been posting the contents here.

    Based on the contents, at least some of these disks were apparently once owned by someone named Connie who used to run the “Close Encounters” Special Interest Group (SIG) on Delphi in the mid 1980s.

    A specific definition of this SIG was found in a document on one of the disks: “This SIG, known as ‘Close Encounters’, is a forum for the discussion of relationships that develop via computer services like the Source, CompuServe, and Delphi. Our primary emphasis is on the sexual aspects of those relationships.”

    This service was text based and was accessed via whatever terminal program you used on your computer to dial in to Delphi’s servers. Many of these disks have forum messages, e-mails and chat session logs. All of this is pre-internet stuff and I don’t know if there are any archives in existence today of what was on Delphi in the 1980s. In any case, much of this stuff would have been private at the time and probably wouldn’t exist in such archives even if they existed.




    This post includes the contents of OURS.DOC. Another message in the ongoing saga of “CABUYS” and “RODM” or Rod and Connie.

    See the previous post here.

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        #9          11-NOV-1985 20:24:36                                        MAIL
    From:   BOS1A::RODM        
    To:     CABUYS,RODM        
    Subj:   take deep breath!
    
     
    Those    who    were    not    long    ago    in    fact    two    
      
       Are    now    in    many    ways    becoming    as   one  
     
          On  that  day  will  become  one  heart, one  life 
     
     
               When  the  waiting  ends  and  they  are 
     
     
     
     
                          Husband & Wife
     
     
                     OURS                     OURS
                OURS      OURS           OURS       OURS
             OURS           OURS       OURS            OURS
            OURS               OURS OURS                OURS
            OURS      Rod         OURS       Connie     OURS
            OURS        \                   /          OURS
             OURS         \               /           OURS
              OURS          \           /            OURS
               OURS         Husband & Wife          OURS
                 OURS                             OURS        
                   OURS                         OURS
                     OURS                     OURS
                       OURS                 OURS
                         OURS            OURS
                            OURS      OURS
                              OURS  OURS
                                 OURS
     
    I Told you!
    
    My Darling I love you!!
    
    
    Rod
    
    MAIL>