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  • Byte (January 1986)

    Source: Byte – January 1986

    Byte was a popular magazine for many years and for most of that time it had a great deal of highly technical content. The last issue was published in 1998. The January 1986 issue features more than 400 pages and includes:

    Features

    • Product Description: The Atari 520ST – A very detailed and techinical look at the then brand new Atari 520ST.
    • Ciarcia’s Circuit Cellar: Build an Analog-to-Digital Converter – Detailed instructions for building a 16-channel 12-bit high-speed A/D converter.
    • Product Preview: Q&A – Q&A was a software package from Symantec that combined a word processor with an “intelligent assistant” and included features such as data merge, reporting capabilities and context sensitive help.
    • Programming Project: A SIMPL Compiler, Part 2 – Subtitled “Procedures and Functions”, this is the second part of a series on creating a compiler for SIMPL, a high level programming language.
    • Creating Reusable Modules – A tutorial on creating reusable modules in Modula-2.
    • Programming Insight: Easy 3-D Graphics – Creating a BASIC program that plots 3D surfaces.

    Themes

    • Introduction – The theme this month is robotics. It’s interesting to see how much of this early robotics stuff has evolved and become common usage today.
    • Machine Vision – An overview on what’s new in vision hardware including technical details on current common video cameras as well as solid state CCD based cameras among other things. A comparison of commercially available cameras suitable for machine vision is included.
    • Robotic Tactile Sensing – Going hand in hand with vision is touch. Different types of tactile sensing are discussed and a comparison of available sensors is provided.
    • Multiple Robotic Manipulators – This article is subtitled “Designing a task-oriented control system for multiple manipulators”. Sensing is one thing but actually doing something is quite another.
    • Autonomous Robot Navigation – “Teaching robots to look before they leap.” Robot navigation has come a long way since 1986. Just look at what Tesla is doing today.
    • AI in Comoputer Vision – Using artificial intelligence to allow robots to recognize what they see. Another field that has progressed a great deal since 1986.
    • Automation in Organic Synthesis – This article discusses the automation to speed up the research process for organic chemical synthesis.

    Reviews

    • Reviewer’s Notebook – Includes some previews of items that will be reviewed in upcoming issues. Some of those items include Pocket APL, the Ace 2000 (Apple II compatible), and the Quick Data Drive for the Commodore 64.
    • Canon’s A-200 – The Canon A-200 is a IBM PC compatible computer featuring 256K of RAM, 5 expansion slots (one in use by the video card), and two 5.25″ 360K disk drives for $2195.

    • Color Fox – The Color Fox is a Silver Fox with a color monitor. The Silver Fox is apparently an off the shelf semi PC compatible Sanyo MBC-555 computer that has been enhanced by another company with double-sided quad-density drives (instead of the standard single or double-sided double-density drives) and more video RAM hence making it a bit more PC compatible. The quad density drives were somewhat unusual for a PC. Most either had double-sided double-density (360K) or double-side high-density (1.2MB).

    • Eco-C88 C Compiler – A fairly decent, at least at the time, C compiler for MS-DOS computers.
    • Inside the Sider – The Sider is a 10-megabyte hard drive for Apple II computers for “only” $695.
    • Advantage! for the AT – That Advantage! is a multi-function add-on card for IBM AT (286-based) compatible computers. In includes memory expansion (up to 1.5 MB or 3 MB with a piggyback module), a serial RS-232C port, a parallel printer port and optional second serial port and game port.

    • Enable – A nearly $700 software package that includes a word processor, spreadsheet, database management, graphics, communications and more and comes on 3 5.25″ floppy disks.
    • Review Feedback – Feedback from readers about previous reviews for the Toshiba P1340, Compaq Deskpro, Stearns Desktop Computer and more.

    Kernel

    • Computing at Chaos Manor: One Minor Problem – The trials and tribulations of transferring a text file from an NEC PC-8201 portable computer to a Zenith Z-150 via a CompuPro 286/Z80…and other topics.
    • Chaos Manor Mail – Mail from readers regarding the 68000 family of CPUs and Apple vs. IBM.
    • According to Webster: Benchmarking – Discussions of benchmarking and the characteristics that good benchmarks should have along with some example programs.
    • BYTE Japan: Favoring Kanji – NEC upgrades the PC-9801, the most popular line of personal computers in Japan at the time. There are several new variations but the top of the line model now contains a 286 processor. Apple also introduces teh Macintosh in Japan (DynaMac). Plus another look at the Fujitsu FM-16pi portable computer.
    • BYTE U.K.: The Acorn RISC Machine – All about the first ARM processor.
    • Mathematical Recreations: Euclid’s Algorithm – Implementing Euclid’s algorithm to find greatest common divisors and least common multiples in BASIC among other things.
    • Circuit Cellar Feedback – Letters regarding using the BSr X-10 system, finding a UART, and parallel processing.

    Departments

    • Editorial: A Threat to Future Software – Copyright and patents and their threat to future software development.
    • Microbytes – Brief news bits including new color LCDs from Epson and Toshiba; new write-once optical drives from Sony, AGA and Optimem; and the unveiling of the 68070 processor from Signetics and 32332 processor from National Semiconductor.
    • Letters – Letters from readers about teh DSI Sieve Benchmark for the Mac, Cauzin Softstrip, Intel’s benchmarking strategy and more.
    • What’s New – New products include the HP Vectra 286 based PC, Fantavision animation software for the Apple II, Presto! utlity for CP/M, IPC 320 RAM board 320K expansion for teh PC, Logitech’s Logimouse C7, PortaFile 20MB hard drive for teh PC, The Robotic Computing Kit, new 32-bit floating-point processor from AMD, DAC Easy Word for teh PC, Generic CADD for the PC, MicroPhone telecom software for the Mac, Epson Equity II and Equit III PCs, ACT-1200A and ACT-2400A data-compression units, Rayna Synth-in-a-Box, and more.
    • Ask BYTE – Readers ask about RAM expansion for the Apple II, 6502 math utilities, the Prometheus VERSAcard for the Apple II, MIDI to RS-232C conversion, and more.
    • Book Reviews – Reviews of Introduction to Robotics, The Microcomputer in Cell and Neurobiology Research and Data Base Management.
    • New Services – New disks with BYTE listings and a list of some bulletin boards in Canada.

    …and more!


  • Digital Archaeology: Codex (Floppy Disk) #9 (part 19)



    A summary for those that haven’t been keeping up with this series:

    I found a number of 5.25″ disks at a thrift store a number of years ago. I finally got around to acquiring a 5.25″ disk drive and extracting the contents a while back. Since then I have been posting the contents here.

    Based on the contents, at least some of these disks were apparently once owned by someone named Connie who used to run the “Close Encounters” Special Interest Group (SIG) on Delphi in the mid 1980s.

    A specific definition of this SIG was found in a document on one of the disks: “This SIG, known as ‘Close Encounters’, is a forum for the discussion of relationships that develop via computer services like the Source, CompuServe, and Delphi. Our primary emphasis is on the sexual aspects of those relationships.”

    This service was text based and was accessed via whatever terminal program you used on your computer to dial in to Delphi’s servers. Many of these disks have forum messages, e-mails and chat session logs. All of this is pre-internet stuff and I don’t know if there are any archives in existence today of what was on Delphi in the 1980s. In any case, much of this stuff would have been private at the time and probably wouldn’t be in such archives even if they existed.



    This post includes the contents of XFLAGS.DOC. There are no dates but this is likely from some time in 1985. It contains a list of members of the “Close Encounters” SIG (presumably) that have the ‘X’ flag as well as a log of some members being deleted from the SIG. Flags represented permissions though I’m not sure what the ‘X’ flag represents specifically. With this file, we’ve finally reached the end of this disk.

    See the previous post here.

    ===
    XFLAGS.DOC
    ===

    fl
    
    Search through membership list for flags
    
    Enter Flag you would like to search: x
    
    Username: ADRIANSEGAR  Flags: X            Name: adrian
    Username: ARLEQUINO    Flags: X            Name: LANGSTON GOREE
    Username: AXLROD       Flags: X            Name: david
    Username: BERTUS       Flags: X            Name: SMITH
    Username: CRICHMOND    Flags: X            Name: Charles Richmond
    Username: DOUBLEVIRGO  Flags: X            Name: Steve Bartholomew
    Username: EDT          Flags: X            Name: edwin togami
    Username: EXPOFICINA85 Flags: X            Name:
    Username: FALSOFT      Flags: X            Name: DAVID
    Username: FDAVID       Flags: X            Name: FDAVID
    Username: GPAINC       Flags: X            Name: TOM
    Username: HAL10000     Flags: X            Name:
    Username: HBSAPKON     Flags: X            Name: B. Fay
    Username: JOHNTORONTO  Flags: X            Name: PEGGY HUGHES
    Username: JRT1212      Flags: X            Name: JOHNNIE TURNER
    Username: KB6HFQ       Flags: X            Name: LARRY
    Username: KEENE        Flags: X            Name: JO
    Username: LCOSTA       Flags: X            Name: larry
    Username: METHMAN      Flags: X            Name: BOB
    Username: MICROFIRM    Flags: X            Name: bob
    Username: PARAGUAY     Flags: X            Name: Santiago
    Username: RGP3         Flags: X            Name: Roy Perham
    Username: RICKL        Flags: X            Name: RICK
    Username: SIMO         Flags: X            Name: Rick
    Username: SJPECK       Flags: X            Name: STEWART
    Username: STARDUST     Flags: X            Name: JOHN
    Username: STGEORGE     Flags: X            Name: DAVID WILKINS
    Username: TVMAN        Flags: X            Name: fred
    Username: VENTURADOC   Flags: X            Name: beau
    Username: WHIT         Flags: X            Name: THOMAS WHITFIELD
    Username: ZE           Flags: X            Name: John
    End of File.
    
    SM*MEMBERS> delete
    
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    You can delete anybody
    Sure you want to delete this ?(Y/N)y
    
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    Username to DELETE: poficina85
    
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    SM*MEMBERS> avid
    
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    You can delete anybody
    Sure you want to delete this ?(Y/N)y
    
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    CTRL/Z OR CTRL/C TO ABORT !!!
    
    Username to DELETE: gpainc
    
    You can delete anybody
    Sure you want to delete this ?(Y/N)y
    
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    Sure you want to delete this ?(Y/N)y
    
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    Sure you want to delete this ?(Y/N)y
    
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    SM*MEMBERS> d
    
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    SM*MEMBERS> d kb^H^H
    
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    Sure you want to delete this ?(Y/N)y
    
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    Sure you want to delete this ?(Y/N)y
    
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    SM*MEMBERS> d lcosta
    
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    SM*MEMBERS> fl
    
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  • Digital Archaeology: Codex (Floppy Disk) #9 (part 16)



    A summary for those that haven’t been keeping up with this series:

    I found a number of 5.25″ disks at a thrift store a number of years ago. I finally got around to acquiring a 5.25″ disk drive and extracting the contents a while back. Since then I have been posting the contents here.

    Based on the contents, at least some of these disks were apparently once owned by someone named Connie who used to run the “Close Encounters” Special Interest Group (SIG) on Delphi in the mid 1980s.

    A specific definition of this SIG was found in a document on one of the disks: “This SIG, known as ‘Close Encounters’, is a forum for the discussion of relationships that develop via computer services like the Source, CompuServe, and Delphi. Our primary emphasis is on the sexual aspects of those relationships.”

    This service was text based and was accessed via whatever terminal program you used on your computer to dial in to Delphi’s servers. Many of these disks have forum messages, e-mails and chat session logs. All of this is pre-internet stuff and I don’t know if there are any archives in existence today of what was on Delphi in the 1980s. In any case, much of this stuff would have been private at the time and probably wouldn’t be in such archives even if they existed.



    This post and the previous post include the contents of SEXPOS2.DOC and SEXPOS2.BAK. These are chat logs and contain mostly the same content with a few subtle differences that I can’t entirely figure out. .DOC starts slightly later in the chat but both seem to have a few messages here and there that the other doesn’t.

    See the previous post here.

    ===
    SEXPOS2.BAK
    ===

    list sexpos2.;1
    
    ** JOEY just joined CLE (2 members now) **
    Myself> howdy guy
    JOEY> Hi John
    JOEY> How ru?
    Myself> sok here - u?
    JOEY> Fine.
    JOEY> I got the message about the flags. But, how do you set them?
    Myself> the flags are already set
    Myself> you need do nothing about that
    JOEY> Oh, ok.
    Myself> also, you wouldn't be able to set them anyway since u don't have the 'm'
    
    Myself> flag which allows access to the membership system.
    JOEY> oh.
    Myself> your time is free
    JOEY> Should be a lot of people on here tonight.
    Myself> and thus you will not be billed for time in this sig.
    Myself> i hope so.
    /s dirigo hi - long time no c.
    JOEY> Yes, Connie explained that.
    Myself> ok
    Myself> nuf said
    JOEY> The contest sounds interesting.
    Myself> should be - expect to have first one up tomorrow
    JOEY> But, we are not eligible?
    Myself> not really Joey
    Connie and I have the questions and answers
    JOEY> I didn't think so. sok.
    Myself> Connie and I have the questions and answers
    Myself> and you are already free
    Myself> plus, it makes no sense for sig managers to participate in their promoti
    onals
    JOEY> True.
    Myself> We have to function above criticism in this thing. Just like real offic
    ial
    Myself> companies running their contests
    Myself> you know the usual messages - employees and families etc.
    JOEY> Well, I thought so. We run contests and have the same rules.
    Myself> exactly.
    Myself> now since ur an employee <sic> tote that barge ad nauseum
    JOEY> Ok. (smile.)
    Myself> and don't forget to lift that bale too.
    JOEY> And put your shoulder to grindstone.
    Myself> in this case ur shoulder is the grindstone <hahaha>
    ** Marti just joined CLE (3 members now) **
    JOEY> Hi Marti!
    Myself> well lookee here
    Marti> Hi Joey!
    /s marti thot u'ld never get ur bill paid so you could re-join us
    Marti> Hi John...hugs
    JOEY> We should have a new member here, tonight.
    ILLUSION>> who said it was paid <sigh>
    /s marti well I can dream can't I?
    JOEY> LOOP (Jane)
    ILLUSION>> yes...we all dream
    Marti> is connie coming?
    Myself> we should have plenty of new members here <I hope> someday
    Myself> not even breathing hard marti. <grin>
    Marti> hahaha....some people never change!
    JOEY> I knew he would say that.
    Myself> marti==>>what do u thnk of our new contest?
    Marti> is connie joining us tonight <let's see him do something to that>
    Connie will be present this evening but I doubt that there will be any "joining"
    
    Marti> sounds like fun....
    JOEY> That would even it up.
    Myself> Connie will be present this evening but I doubt that there will be any "
    joining"
    Marti> can't wait for the questions
    Myself> <I did too!> <so there!!>
    Marti> hhmmm.....shoulda known
    Myself> should be up this week
    Marti> any way to turn of echo here?
    Myself> have to get up early in the am to get around me.
    Myself> yeah
    JOEY> /noecho
    Myself> type /noecho
    Marti> Wow...that was hard!
    Marti> uh oh
    Myself> the difficult we do immediately
    Myself> the impossible takes a little longer.
    Myself> what uh oh?
    Marti> takes longer but is more fun
    JOEY> hehehe
    Marti> nothing...thot you would have something to say
    Myself> could be
    JOEY> longer=more fun
    Marti> well...if the topic is positions...
    Marti> looks like there is just me and you guys...
    Myself> u mean like after your 'that was hard' I should have said hope u enjoyed
    it?
    Marti> <grinning> any ideas?
    JOEY> hmmmmm
    ** SoftPaws just joined CLE (4 members now) **
    SoftPaws> hi all
    Marti> ops
    JOEY> Hi Tig.
    SoftPaws> hi marti!!
    Myself> hi soft
    Marti> Hi SoftPaws
    SoftPaws> huggs joe!
    <SoftPaws> hi my
    Marti> oh...is that you Tig?
    <SoftPaws> yes sure is!!
    <SoftPaws> using my plink *handle* hehe
    /gn cle sexual positions - 2
    Marti> How ya doing?
    <SoftPaws> fine and you??
    Myself> ** New group name "CLE SEXUAL POSITIONS - 2" selected **
    Marti> okay
    <SoftPaws> ah sure is
    <SoftPaws> this is fair..2 on 2 hehe
    /n Ms. Self <grin
    Marti> yes...was nicer with 2 to 1 tho...
    Marti> no offense Tiig...
    <SoftPaws> im sure (grin)
    JOEY> For you, Marti.
    <SoftPaws> none taken
    <SoftPaws> <yet>
    Marti> just always wanted a 3 some <grin>
    Ms. Self <grin> you were saying?
    <SoftPaws> sure sure sure
    Marti> or 4 some or 5 zsome
    JOEY> Settle for just some.
    <SoftPaws> ms?
    Marti> yeah...just some will do
    <SoftPaws> i dont settle
    Ms. Self <grin> right - makes it unfair again
    Ms. Self <grin> hahahaha
    /n Myself
    <SoftPaws> haha John
    JOEY> Hi!!
    Myself> just the four of us
    <SoftPaws> what time was CO for John?
    Myself> this will be a boring co <grin>
    Marti> it will?
    <SoftPaws> and where is Conie?
    <SoftPaws> boring? with me and Marti? hardly
    Myself> well, I changed it to 9:30 because folks often didn't start arriving til
    l then
    <SoftPaws> =* tee hee *=
    JOEY> True, Tig.
    <SoftPaws> thanks Joe
    Marti> HA...we can take care of you guys
    Myself> and since then, they are arriving even later if at all
    JOEY> I bet you could.
    <Tiggy> you shoulda said like 9 then they would show up at 930
    <Tiggy> i suppose
    <Tiggy> instinct is to be late i think tho
    JOEY> Your instincts?
    Myself> i was thinking abt that - but I can't get up from down in that short a t
    ime
    Marti> Ladies are supposed to be fashionably late..
    <Tiggy> not mine!! im
    <Tiggy> never late!!
    Marti> Guess we're not ladies
    <Tiggy> this is true marti
    Myself> original schedule of 9:15 allowed me to watch Airwolf and then get some
    <Tiggy> some sleep?
    Myself> refreshments just before opening the co.
    Marti> get some what?
    Marti> oh
    <Tiggy> hahahhahaa
    JOEY> Boy, is he fast.
    <Tiggy> <cherry coke/7-up in paws> lets gothen!
    Marti> Is Peg coming...er..joining us?
    Myself> no
    JOEY> hehehe
    Myself> and no comment!!
    <Tiggy> hahahaha
    Marti> ok
    Marti> just haven't seen anyone in so long.
    <Tiggy> achooo
    <Tiggy> me either marti no one has been in the sig since Nov 1958
    Marti> Bless you, Tig
    JOEY> Cold Tig?
    Myself> tiggy ==>> salud
    <Tiggy> thanks
    <Tiggy> yes very joey
    <Tiggy> went swimming at the river hehehe
    <Tiggy> <not by choice>
    Myself> no tig - that was 1858 !!
    Marti> Swimming???
    <Tiggy> ah!
    <Tiggy> yea i was pushed into the river hon
    Marti> we could swim up here if we wanted, right John?
    <Tiggy> we were having apicnic
    <Tiggy> *were*
    Myself> possibly
    Marti> picnic...sigh
    /gn cle - 4 on the floor
    <Tiggy> ** -- right back -- **
    Myself> ** New group name "CLE - 4 ON THE FLOOR" selected **
    Marti> leave are turning...winter is on the way
    JOEY> picnic, hmmmm, that is an idea.
    TIGLON>> 4 onn the floor? hhehehe
    <Tiggy> - signed off -
    Marti> guess she didn't like that idea
    Myself> no she said she'lf brb
    Myself> couple lines back up the screen
    JOEY> Take a box lunch.(grin)
    Marti> oh yea...I see it now
    Marti> pack a banan for me, joey
    Marti> banana
    Myself> I figured until more people show up and it being just the four of us
    ** TIGLON just joined CLE - 4 ON THE FLOOR (4 members now) **
    JOEY> Ok, and a taco for me.
    TIGLON> i want a burrito
    Myself> and this is the <sic> floor so to speak
    Myself> four on the floor seemed appropo.
    JOEY> With beans?
    Marti> the floor is nice....cool but nice
    <Tiggy> ill get the sheepskin if its too cold
    Myself> well, it would have been warmer but someone whose shall remain
    Myself> nameless forgot the bearskin rug - joey <hahaha>
    JOEY> <sorry>
    <Tiggy> =* tee hee *= namesless EH JOEY?
    Marti> well then...let's sit on joey
    <Tiggy> hahahaha wouldnt he die
    Marti> me first
    JOEY> I use bareskin myself.
    Myself> no thanks - he's not my type
    <Tiggy> ill paas
    JOEY> <line up>
    <Tiggy> er ...
    Myself> u leave 'myself' alone joey!!
    <Tiggy> ill pas
    Marti> gee...sorry joe...just me
    <Tiggy> er er er pass
    Myself> pass incomplete.
    <Tiggy> ah!
    TIGLON>> how ya doing?
    Myself> so far so good tig
    Marti> what are tig and myself doing?
    <Tiggy> ah good John
    <Tiggy> <nothing>
    JOEY> I wonder.
    <Tiggy> <andi mean nothing>
    Myself> exzactly
    <Tiggy> <gettting more cherry coke>
    Marti> hhmm...party poopers
    <Tiggy> <not me!!>
    Myself> now where is everyone - oh well - lets roll
    <Tiggy> roll mode
    Myself> comments anyone?
    /roll
    ROLL by Myself> (2d6) 3/6 5/6
    JOEY> Roll? good one.
    <Tiggy> ill bid one
    Myself> i'll c ur 1 and raise u 2
    <Tiggy> ill see your 2 and raise you a stocking
    Myself> I'll lower ur stocking and your drawers <giggle>
    Marti> is this strip poker?
    Myself> $%#@!! gremlins again
    JOEY> And raise a dress.
    Marti> darn...not wearing a dress
    <Tiggy> strip co?
    <Tiggy> <not wearing stockings>
    Marti> you wearing a dress Tig?
    <Tiggy> not me!
    Myself> me neither
    <Tiggy> a roe and socks here
    JOEY> Damn.
    <Tiggy> er robe
    Marti> robe and sock?
    <Tiggy> socks
    <Tiggy> on my tooties
    Marti> robe sounds sexy...but socks?
    <Tiggy> er feet
    <Tiggy> my feet arre cold thank you!
    <Tiggy> =* tee hee *=
    Marti> gotta get rid of the socks, tig
    Marti> put your feet on something warm
    <Tiggy> who said? ive never had any complaints
    <Tiggy> <looking for leg warmer>
    <Tiggy> <er foot warmer>
    Myself> me - didn't u recognize my voice?
    <Tiggy> no sure didnt John sorry
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    <Tiggy> hi e
    <Tiggy> <grin>
    JOEY> Hi Liz!
    Myself> <plugging foot warmer in>
    E.> Hi folk.
    Myself> lo e
    Marti> Hi E
    Myself> hi beth
    Myself> good to c u
    Marti> you can see her?
    E.> Tks. Was watching tv.
    Myself> sure - I'ld recognize her baud anywhere
    <Tiggy> doesnt she have a nice baud>
    ** Connie & Rod just joined CLE - 4 ON THE FLOOR (6 members now) **
    <Tiggy> so ive heard
    Connie & Rod> hi!
    JOEY> Well
    <Tiggy> C&R!!
    E.> Hi Con & Rof.
    /gn cle - sexual positions - 2
    Myself> well is abt time u 2 showed up
    <Tiggy> rof?
    Marti> Hi Connie and Rod!!
    JOEY> Hi C&R.
    Myself> ** New group name "CLE - SEXUAL POSITIONS - 2" selected **
    <Tiggy> <wonder what THE were doing>
    <Tiggy> er they
    E.> THE?
    <Tiggy> they they they!!
    E.> The they.
    Myself> that is much better
    <Tiggy> ::pardon::
    Connie & Rod> Tiggy, we were doing research on the topic.
    Myself> now people r starting to show
    <Tiggy> oh sure sure (evol thots)
    <Tiggy> jon i sent 4 people mail real quick!
    Marti> Connie...tell us about what you learned!
    Myself> that's what I like, peoiple to really 'get into ' the subject !!
    Connie & Rod> we've learned that variety is the spice of life! <grin>
    /s cabuys and speaking of spice - hi lover <not u rod>
    <Tiggy> my foot warmer is coming!
    JOEY> It is?
    E.> So's Christmas.
    Marti> wow! some foot warmer!
    <Tiggy> yes he is Joe!
    JOEY> Do I know him?
    <Tiggy> dont know
    CABUYS>> hi lover
    <Tiggy> =* tee hee *=
    Myself> sorry tig, the foot warmer blew a fuse.
    Marti> Connie==> is that all the detail we're gonna get?
    JOEY> Oh, no. The Love Boat.
    Myself> it was a strange unit anyway.
    Connie & Rod> 'fraid so, Marti.
    Marti> Joey...you don't like Love Boats?
    JOEY> Shucks.
    Marti> nutz
    JOEY> Not on TV!
    <Tiggy> there he s!!
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    Myself> hi tim
    JOEY> Hi Tim
    <Tiggy> see!!
    Connie & Rod> hi Tim
    Marti> Hi Tim
    Tim> Hi!
    E.> Hi TIm.
    <Tiggy> tims!!! kisskiss
    Myself> we were not just talking abt u.
    Tim> Tiggy, ***kiss***
    <Tiggy> <ah>
    Myself> now back to the co
    Marti> maybe we can watch tim and tig
    <Tiggy> maybe maybe not
    Myself> why??
    <Tiggy> whynot!
    Myself> i asked first <nah nah!>
    <Tiggy> nah nah nah
    Myself> %$#@!! gremlins
    <Tiggy> sure John get a real puter hon
    Myself> I have got to get a de-gremlin-izer program for this machine
    <Tim> I get the feeling..
    <Tiggy> sorry hon
    <Tim> I've walked in on something interesting
    JOEY> You walked?
    <Tiggy> <ready!>
    Marti> not yet tim...but stick around
    Myself> well tell us abt it then <grin>
    /s cabuys martis account is like her bill being paid up.
    <Tiggy> <er um oh dahh>
    <Tiggy> <stereo mode>
    /s cabuys illusion!
    CABUYS>> tsk tsk tsk!
    <Tim> Who's telling what?
    <Tim> I'm confused
    Myself> I'm Myself
    <Tiggy> what is there to tell?
    Myself> pleased to meet you.
    Myself> ok folks
    Myself> lets try to start something here
    <Tim> So, the subject is positions eh?
    <Tiggy> yea Tims so I hear
    Myself> on the subject of sexual positions
    <Tim> I guess this sig is really on top of things
    E.> Tim: 1
    <Tiggy> ah score!
    Myself> yes tim, care to comment?
    JOEY> We try, Tim. (smile)
    Marti> What did tim get a point for?
    /s marti getting the topic!
    <Tiggy> cause hes so cute Marti
    E.> His pun.
    <Tim> You're too kind, tiggy
    Marti> ahh...I see
    <Tiggy> <true Tims>
    Myself> tim ==>> what's ur fav p[osition and why?
    /s cabuys hows that for putting 'm on the olde spot?
    <Tim> Well...
    <Tim> I like variety
    CABUYS>> very good!
    Myself> <don't we all?>
    Marti> so tell us about one or two
    <Tim> I mean there are definitely advantages to ..
    <Tiggy> or 3
    <Tim> being in various positions
    Marti> there are?
    <Tim> Ok, I like being on top sometimes
    Myself> yes marti - there really are
    Myself> <and there really is a heaven too>
    Marti> <showw me>
    E.> I like to do it on the floor, but haven't since I got a bad "rope" burn.
    JOEY> <ok>
    JOEY> Carpet burns are hell.
    Myself> <u got a little 'tied up' beth?>
    Marti> <rope burn??? mkinky!>
    <Tim> I hate it when that happens, E!
    E.> Carpet burn didn't sound too cool.
    Marti> I don't understand
    Marti> ok
    JOEY> Aww, Marti
    Marti> I got it Joey...finally
    E.> /cancel explanation.
    JOEY> E: 1/2
    Myself> tim ==>> sometimes ur on top - cont
    Myself> <all else pls quiet down a bit>
    Myself> <u 2 Myself>
    <Tim> There's more control ov
    <Tim> Sorry, was trying to control-x that
    <Tim> What I meant to say..
    <Tim> is sometimes I like the feeling of control of being on top
    <Tim> Other times, I don't like to do all the work , so..
    E.> I'll drink to that.
    <Tim> in those cases it's not such a great position
    <Tiggy> work?
    E.> He means labor.
    <Tiggy> heheh i guess
    <Tiggy> fruitful labor tho
    E.> You know, sweat.
    Marti> Just cause you're on top doesn't mean you're the only one working
    Myself> <fruitful only if she gets pregnant>
    <Tiggy> <not what i meant jm>
    JOEY> /cancel fruit
    <Tim> Yes, Marti, that is true..
    <Tim> but it is more work than..
    <Tiggy> Yes Tim..we *all* dont just lay there DO We?
    <Tim> for instance, when she's on top
    JOEY> I do.
    Marti> <Tig==> depends on who I'm with>
    <Tiggy> hahahhaa
    <Tiggy> Marti--* ah
    Myself> <comments pls>
    JOEY> !
    <Tim> Tiggy, I don't know, I haven't..
    <Tiggy> 2 x !
    Myself> <joey - stby a sec>
    <Tim> tried all of you yet
    <Tiggy> all of whom?
    Myself> Tim - last I have from you was
    <Tim> Reference to "we All don't just lay there", Tig
    <Tiggy> ah i see sorry
    Myself> 'for instance when she's on top' - could u pick up from there pls
    <Tim> Well, when the woman is on top..
    <Tim> I can relax a little more
    /s <tim and pls use the 'ga' construct to show u r done speaking -
    <Tim> Not to mention it's a different sensation
    TJH>> I never know when I'm done, sorry!
    <Tim> ga
    Myself> thank you - and don't b sorry - joey ga on !
    JOEY> There are two things I like about woman on top.....
    Myself> ,<breasts>
    Connie & Rod> john!!!
    Marti> <giggle>
    JOEY> 1) She can control things, thus, she gets more pleasure....
    E.> You call 'em things. John?
    JOEY> 2)
    JOEY> I LOVE to watch her face (among other things).
    JOEY> ga
    Marti> !
    /s kaplan no love - I don't call m at all - but I do use m.
    Myself> marti ga
    Marti> Joey...I don't necessarily agree that she gets more pleasure...
    Marti> but it is nice to be in control sometimes..
    Marti> and can't you look at her face when you are on top? GA
    /s cabuys I thought the comment was a valid one - griggle
    JOEY> !
    Myself> ga joey
    JOEY> No, my eyes are closed.(grin)
    JOEY> ga
    Myself> well
    Myself> I like her on top cause it gives me freedom to use my hands
    Marti> <open them>
    Myself> something I can't do much of when I am on top
    Myself> also, I get in deeper that way.
    Myself> ga
    Marti> !
    <Tiggy> !
    Myself> marti
    Myself> <tig next>
    Marti> This may sound dumb..but..
    Marti> what do you do with your hands? GA
    <Tiggy> <what i wanted to know too John>
    <Tim> - signed off -
    E.> ?
    Myself> ur right love - just a bit dumb sounding - tig ga <me next>
    Myself> <beth aft me>
    <Tiggy> My--* I wanted to know the same thing ho
    Marti> hhmmm
    Myself> well, with my hands free, Ii can do a lot of exploring
    Myself> and playing, caressing, and etc.
    Marti> ok, thanx John
    Myself> you know the obvious types of things one might do with hands
    Myself> like draw circles on warm flesh
    Myself> kneeding soft rounded breasts
    <Tiggy> you like touching then eh My?
    Myself> and maybe a few other things to stimulate my partner
    /s cabuys right lover?
    Myself> ga
    <Tiggy> or the excitement there in
    CABUYS>> remember me - I don't like being on top.
    Myself> well, tig - it pays to 'keep in touch'
    /s cabuys I know, but that's also good
    /s cabuys cause I get to please u ur way - so there!!
    <Tiggy> hehe Yea i agree.. touching is a nice part of it all
    <Tiggy> ga
    E.> My arms aren't that strong, and I can't stay on top more than a few minutes.
    I like taking turns.
    what is your least favorite position and why?
    Myself> ok
    Myself> next q
    Myself> what is your least favorite position and why?
    Marti> Hello?
    /s kaplan - u can always sit up - that is very nice feeling indeed!! wanna try
    it?
    JOEY> Hi Marti.
    Marti> <sorry>
    Marti> Didn't Liz have a ?
    Myself> <checking on '?'>
    Myself> so she did -
    Myself> beth ga
    /s cabuys love scroll back
    JOEY> She isn't here, John.
    Marti> when did she leave?
    Myself> she sure is
    /s kaplan u r here right - pls ga now
    E.> - signed off -
    JOEY> Got dumped.
    Myself> now she's gone
    Marti> she's trying out a position
    Myself> yeah, I think it is called dumped
    Myself> ok, back to next question
    ** <Tim just joined CLE - SEXUAL POSITIONS - 2 (6 members now) **
    <Tiggy> rehi Tims
    Myself> <wlcm bck tim>
    Marti> Hi again Tim
    Connie & Rod> hi again Tim
    <Tim> Hi, back from network or Delphi probs
    <Tim> not sure which
    Myself> for benefit of tim - next q is: what is least fav pos and why?
    <Tiggy> bet on delphi
    Marti> you missed the demo, tim
    <Tim> Demo???
    Myself> demo?
    Myself> what demo??
    Myself> <damn - I miss all the good stuff >
    Marti> <can't think of any positions I don't like>
    Myself> how abt "on your knees slave!!"
    <Tiggy> I can
    <Tiggy> er ops..
    JOEY> Yuk
    Marti> knees is okay...slave isn't
    Myself> ga tig
    JOEY> Marti:3
    <Tiggy> that was the position i was thinking abut liking the least ..
    <Tim> - signed off -
    Myself> <give a little thot marti - and u can find a pos u don't like - grin>
    <Tiggy> for 1 reason..
    <Tiggy> (amoung many)..you cant see what the other person is *doing*
    ..ie.expressions and such
    <Tiggy> ga
    Myself> ok
    Myself> I don't like sideways.
    <Tiggy> i do!
    <Tiggy> <ops> ga john
    Myself> it is great for printing spreadsheets, but murder on me!
    <Tiggy> why my?
    Marti> <hahaha>
    Myself> ga tig
    <Tiggy> sideways is nice..if you to it back to front.
    <Tiggy> ..cuase you can cuddle and touch around the other person for a
    while..before your arms fall asleep he
    Marti> that sounds hard
    <Tiggy> not really Marti.
    <Tiggy> depends on how agile you are I guess
    <Tiggy> <dang i wish i couuld draw this>
    <Tiggy> ga boss
    Myself> right - remember that sideways - the guy is always on one of the girls l
    egs
    Marti> ?
    Myself> and it is difficult to stay in from there.
    Myself> ga marti
    Marti> I think the position sometimes depends on the mood...
    <Tiggy> true
    Marti> sometimes you want something gentle..and slow...and easy...
    Marti> other times something...ahem...hard and fast GA
    Marti> <blush>
    <Tiggy> ehehe
    Connie & Rod> <excellent comments, Marti!>
    Myself> G, I can't imagine wht u mean there mwrti <grin>
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    Myself> wlcm bck beth
    <Tiggy> ** -- right back -- **
    E.> Rehi all.
    JOEY> Hi Liz. Welcome back.
    /s cabuys system is runnig slow tonight
    <Tiggy>
    <Tiggy>
    E.> That was very weird.
    <Tiggy> - signed off -
    Marti> Hi beth
    E.> Hi Marti.
    Myself> we're talking abt least fav pos's right now beth, and what makes them le
    ast.
    E.> KO.
    CABUYS>> all *systems* are go here. <grin>
    Myself> <reeling from beths punch!>
    /s cabuys i am getting slo responses sometimes - maybe it's my buffer here
    E.> (tired of OK all the time)
    CABUYS>> things do seem to be slowing down - probably system problems again.
    /s cabuys no doubt
    Myself> now - before you got dropped - u had a '?' up - still care to comment?
    E.> No. I was up to the next question.
    Myself> ok, care to comment on that?
    E.> Sure...
    E.> 1) least fave, on the carpet for reason stated earlier...
    E.> and 2) being under someone twice my weight.
    E.> for obvious reasons.
    E.> ga
    Myself> heavy objection
    ** <Tim just joined CLE - SEXUAL POSITIONS - 2 (6 members now) **
    Connie & Rod> welcome back, Tim.
    E.> Only I kinda got used to breathing regularly.
    <Tim> I don't think Delphi likes me tonite
    Myself> hope u cn stick arnd a little longer ths time tim
    Myself> what net u on?
    <Tim> I'm on Uninet
    <Tim> Every once in a while..
    Myself> must b delphi then.
    <Tim> I get into a mode where nothing I type gets through
    <Tim> So I have to log off
    Myself> they are working on that problem
    <Tim> Then it takes 15 minutes to get back here
    JOEY> Try control c twice Tim and wait.
    Myself> should be fixed in the near future.
    Myself> these system problems have really been hurting the system over all
    <Tim> Thanks, Joey, will try that next time
    JOEY> Shoule wind up at Encounter prompt.
    Myself> ok
    Myself> moving along - how about more than two!
    Connie & Rod> ?
    Myself> c&r ga
    <Tim> More than two???
    Rod> if you haven't tried a number of positions, it's like a couple who have onl
    y heard one song saying they have a favorite song....
    <Tim> at one time?
    Myself> <right - 3 or more makes positions fewer to use and harder to work out>
    <Tim> two people??
    Rod> once you have experienced many positions under many circumstances then you
    have many "songs" in your life and then you can share a favorite.
    Myself> good point rod
    Rod> ga.
    Myself> well said
    Myself> I think the majority of relationships include only twop people at any g
    iven time as a rule
    Myself> and maybe they do or don't use more than one position -
    Myself> but what about when two become three - any experiences there?
    Myself> ga
    <Tim> Not me, I was just trying to clarify your statement
    Marti> <nice comparison, Rod>
    Myself> <no comments - ok> <back to our regular topic - positions>
    Myself> indeed, and well said too
    <Tim> What was the demo?
    Myself> yeah what demo??!
    ** <Tiggy just joined CLE - SEXUAL POSITIONS - 2 (7 members now) **
    Marti> You missed it Tim...we had a demo here of all the positions in Joy of Sex
    
    JOEY> Hi Tig.
    E.> Rehi Tig.
    <Tiggy> rehi guys s
    JOEY> We did? Did I have a good time?
    Marti> welcome back tig
    Myself> lo ti
    <Tiggy> thanks...ga with whatever i missed!!!
    Marti> Joey..you weren't in the demo
    Myself> if u have to ask joey - not likely u did
    JOEY> Shucks.
    <Tiggy> what was the question?
    Myself> sucks more like it
    <Tiggy> <getting chinese book of positions out>
    Myself> <using trusty fly swatter on resident gremlins>
    <Tim> we were talking about the demo, weren't we?
    Marti> ?
    <Tiggy> demo?
    Myself> marti ga
    Marti> I have a question...
    Marti> if someone does not like a position, it is even..
    Marti> uncomfortable or hurts...should they "grin and bear it" for the...
    Marti> sake of pleasing their partner...or should they say say.."hey..maybe it..
    .
    Marti> feels good to you, but I don't like it" GA
    <Tiggy> !
    JOEY> !
    E.> I say "ouch"
    Myself> ga tig then joey
    <Tiggy> Ok..isnt *speaking up* all a part of the relationship?? you jus dont wan
    t to do something that you dont like..
    <Tiggy> and the other partner thinks you do..and continues...kinda stupid wouldn
    t ya think?
    <Tiggy> only one of you is getting the pleasure.. ga
    Myself> <joey>
    Marti> !
    JOEY> It's not fair to either of you NOT to speak up.
    JOEY> ga
    Myself> marti
    Marti> Well...as someone once said...
    Marti> I think it might have been Dagwood...
    <Tiggy> <who is dagwood?>
    Marti> "a hard c*ck has no consciounsci
    <Tim> You know, of Blondie and Dagwood
    <Tiggy> OH
    Marti> ooops
    <Tiggy> joe--* no i havent
    <Tim> Dagwood said that?
    Marti> consciounce
    Marti> can't spell tonight..
    <Tiggy> neither does a soft one
    Myself> and I thought that was a 'family' comic strip too
    Marti> now it wasn't dagwood...but don't remember who it was...
    JOEY> Wrong context Marti.
    Myself> <illusion(s) shattered (sic) >
    <Tiggy> probably SHOE hehee
    <Tiggy> or CATHY
    Marti> He might apologize afterward..
    Marti> but wants it at the time GA
    Myself> well
    Myself> as noted already - it makes no sense to continue with a
    Myself> situation you find unpleasant for any reason
    Marti> conscience
    Myself> and u don't exactly help either ur slf or ur partner if you keep
    Marti> So the consensus
    Myself> quiet just to please them.
    Myself> it also is not at all fair to yourself
    Myself> ga
    Marti> is tospeak up
    <Tiggy> right Marti
    JOEY> brb
    Myself> right
    Marti> ok..thanks
    Myself> lets face it - just because ur partner likes something, or just wants
    <Tiggy> just explain why yo dont like the situation...and maybe suggest variatio
    n that mjust explain why you dont like the position..and /or suggest a variation
    that might be pleasing for both of you
    Myself> to try it out, if it isn't good from ur point of view
    Myself> then it isn't good.
    <Tiggy> <ugh>
    Myself> way to go tig
    <Tiggy> 2 sentences in one i think Gayle
    Myself> no biggy
    <Tiggy> ^U didnt work my
    <Tiggy> you get the picture tho i think?
    Myself> I kno, have had that trouble too
    Marti> Yes...good point
    <Tim> Yes, surely something can be worked out..
    <Tiggy> ..i mean if you cant talk in a relationship..something is missing alread
    y
    <Tim> but not if nobody says anything!
    <Tiggy> <saying hi to couple in corner being quiet>
    Myself> like the basis for the relationship
    <Tiggy> righto My!
    ** BENDAILY just joined CLE - SEXUAL POSITIONS - 2 (8 members now) **
    JOEY> back
    Marti> <watching couple in corner>
    Myself> lo ben
    <Tiggy> hi ben!
    Connie & Rod> <what couple, TIggy?>
    E.> Hi ben.
    BENDAILY> hello all
    JOEY> Hi ben
    <Tim> Hi Ben
    Marti> Hi ben
    BENDAILY> have i missed much so far?
    Myself> not really
    <Tiggy> all i hear from them Marti is a squeaky key now and then
    Myself> we only just warmed up
    JOEY> 22 positions, Ben.
    E.> <giggle>
    Myself> of course, we started at 9:30, but is ok
    <Tim> 22??? I guessed I missed about 20 of them
    BENDAILY> darn missed 'em
    <Tiggy> i counted 24!!
    Myself> I lost count
    JOEY> I combined two, Tig.
    <Tiggy> ah i see joey
    Myself> the demo screwed my up
    Connie & Rod> <name 'em, Tiggy!>
    Myself> <no, I missed that too>
    Marti> yea...I counted 2
    <Tiggy> really conie?
    BENDAILY> myself - u r 1 of the sysops around this section?
    <Tiggy> 1: plain
    Myself> so the rumor has it ben
    <Tiggy> 2: ..
    <Tim> Wish I''d have been here for the demo!
    BENDAILY> ok did u recieve the std survey that i sent u?
    Myself> word is I also run this conference.
    <Tiggy> <word WAS>
    <Tim> Peanut?
    Myself> yes, and it did get posted in the daabase - thank you.
    <Tiggy> yes Tims?
    BENDAILY> thank u was just checking
    <Tim> Is that number 2:?
    <Tiggy> no.
    <Tim> after 1:plain?
    BENDAILY> u have any comments on it?
    <Tiggy> 2: 69
    <Tiggy> 3: plain with whipped creme and nuts
    BENDAILY> thats always fun
    Marti> Peanut?
    <Tim> Is plain equal to missionary?
    JOEY> 77
    Myself> so far we have talked about being on top, being on bottom, and being sid
    eways
    <Tiggy> <grin 10$ extra for nuts)
    <Tiggy> yea tims
    <Tiggy> 3: sideways
    Myself> would like to touch on 69 and others though
    <Tiggy> 2: touch away!
    CABUYS>> I sent to Gayle to name the positions! <grin>
    <Tim> I'm game
    BENDAILY> i would like to participate in 69
    Myself> what do u like abt it ben??
    /s cabuys another fine victim
    <Tim> I won't even say how the subject sucks or anything
    <Tiggy> not to mention Tims
    <Tiggy> hhe
    <Tim> my what?
    BENDAILY> the idea of being able to be recieving pleasures as i give them
    E.> Don't you get confused?
    JOEY> I do, Liz.
    Marti> <good point E>
    <Tiggy> not if yo have concentration worth anything
    BENDAILY> im always confused so whart else is new
    E.> My concentration isn't worth beans.
    Marti> !
    Myself> how abt the rest of ur baud??
    <grin>
    Myself> <grin>
    Myself> marti ga
    BENDAILY> oh is 69 1 of the ways that u lose it most easily?
    Marti> 69 is fine...
    Marti> but I prefer one thing at a time..
    BENDAILY> E?>>>>
    Marti> I get pleasure by giving pleasure GA
    E.> If I try to do 69 and do the Sunday Times puzzle at the same time, I find it
    hard to concentrate.
    <Tim> He he
    <Tiggy> <on the puzzle>
    Marti> <will have to try that>
    E.> Exactly.
    Myself> if u cn do the sunday times puzzle when you are being 'had' then that
    <Tiggy> its works for a while..until your rythmn gives way to ..
    Myself> relationship is already finished! <griggle>
    E.> That's one man's opinion.
    BENDAILY> strange thatsounds kind of like a J.A.P. joke E>
    <Tiggy> screaming and moaning..etc
    E.> I didn't say I was doing my nails, too, Ben.
    BENDAILY> ha ha ha
    JOEY> Oh well, across and down, etc.
    <Tim> 69 doesn't always work that well..
    <Tim> depending on the partners
    E.> See, Joey knows.
    <Tiggy> he does?
    <Tim> I agree with Marti about one a t a time
    JOEY> Of course.
    BENDAILY> but E does he know u?
    <Tiggy> I use my nails...
    Marti> what do you know, joey?
    Myself> <marti ==>> relationship only skin deep>
    BENDAILY> in the biblical sense?
    JOEY> Lots o stuff.
    E.> Intimately, Ben.
    E.> I gave up the Bible for Lent.
    <Tiggy> so did i
    <Tiggy> all that sex and violence...isho
    BENDAILY> bible which bible?
    E.> Ben: 1
    <Tim> Now oral sex one at atime is a different story!
    BENDAILY> yes?
    <Tiggy> tell us a story Tim...
    BENDAILY> thought that is what 69 was tim
    <Tim> Well, according to my definition..
    BENDAILY> thank u my non understanding
    BENDAILY> no virgin to co's just new to delphi co's
    <Tim> - signed off -
    <Tiggy> bye tims
    E.> Poor Tim.
    BENDAILY> bye tim
    Myself> there he goes again
    ** TJH just joined CLE - SEXUAL POSITIONS - 2 (8 members now) **
    <Tiggy> anyone have something *rare* to speak of..?
    Myself> notice tim drops out when certain sex words come up
    <Tiggy> haha
    E.> Hang on tight this time Tim.
    Myself> that time it was virgin
    BENDAILY> s
    TJH> Sorry, it was system again
    Myself> <grin>
    BENDAILY> steak?
    TJH> used Joey's idea and got back sooner tho!
    <Tiggy> no i mean..something different ..
    E.> Joey: 69
    TJH> thanks , joey if you're still here
    JOEY> You're welcome.
    JOEY> 69 liz? Wow!
    TJH> anyway, i was trying to define 69
    E.> It was a biggie.
    Myself> tiggy ==Z>> what u have in mind?
    <Tiggy> joey--* and slammed into the medin sorta
    BENDAILY> hmmmm "non standard" sex activities?
    <Tiggy> my--* like couples..while they are computing or something..in a chair..o
    n the table (not rare)...etc
    E.> Like reading Penthouse?
    TJH> it's not equal to "oral sex" in general
    <Tiggy> yea ben sorta
    E.> I once went to bed with two gay men. (Long time ago, very pre-AIDS).
    <Tiggy> what happened E?????
    BENDAILY> how was it?
    E.> It was wonderful.
    Myself> <hard>
    <Tiggy> tell all E!
    Myself> i once did it in the front hall under the stairs and right outside the
    E.> No chance.
    Myself> first floor apartment door.
    JOEY> Shucks.
    <Tiggy> alright john!
    BENDAILY> did they get as much enjoyment with u as they did each other? do u thi
    nk?
    TJH> - signed off -
    <Tiggy> hahahah
    E.> Uh huh.
    Marti> Shucks Joey?
    JOEY> Liz won't tell, Marti.
    BENDAILY> oops gotta run
    <Tiggy> bye ben
    Myself> ok ben
    Myself> bye
    Marti> bye ben
    JOEY> bye ben
    Myself> thnx for dropping in
    <Tiggy> she jus teaseand then shuts up hehhe
    E.> Bye Ben. Nice meeting you
    Myself> and speaking of dropping
    <Tiggy> er tease and/
    Myself> lets all go to bed
    BENDAILY> hope to see u all real soon
    BENDAILY> together?
    <Tiggy> bed? at 8:24?
    Marti> with each other?
    E.> That's me a big tease.
    <Tiggy> ill take time and joey!
    <Tiggy> er tim
    <Tiggy> <whereever he is>
    Myself> sure
    JOEY> Yeah, you take me, you take time.
    Myself> we can all go to bed together
    BENDAILY> any body here in or near houston (before i go)?
    <Tiggy> i know Joe..i know
    Myself> separately
    Myself> no
    <Tiggy> california here en sorry
    E.> no.
    JOEY> 4 hours away, ben.
    Marti> Mass. here ben
    <Tiggy> joe!!!!
    Myself> bean town here
    <Tiggy> hehehe
    joey and ben - hmmm - that ought to b interesting <grin>
    BENDAILY> where r u calling from joey?
    Myself> joey and ben - hmmm - that ought to b interesting <grin>
    JOEY> Alexandria, La.
    TIGLON>> calling it quits?
    JOEY> What Tig.
    /s tiglon maybe - depends
    <Tiggy> i wanna watch My!! hehe
    BENDAILY> thud thud head to hand
    <Tiggy> joey-* nevermind
    BENDAILY> was thinking time zones not time in transit
    <Tiggy> ok..
    <Tiggy> another q
    Myself> tig - watch My what??
    BENDAILY> - signed off -
    Myself> ga with q
    <Tiggy> no! i meant watch joe and ben hehhe
    JOEY> No fun, tig, I just lay there.
    Marti> hahaa joey
    <Tiggy> Q: What was the most inconceivable thing youve ever done?
    <Tiggy> <i kow joey but you do it sooo well!!>
    E.> Not getting pregnant.
    <Tiggy> e--* thats easy to do
    JOEY> E:12
    <Tiggy> er not to do
    Marti> hahaha E...very good!
    <Tiggy> ie: in front of a group..something like that?
    JOEY> Getting married.
    <Tiggy> joe--* arg
    <Tiggy> john?
    JOEY> Marriage licenses oughta be like drivers licenses.
    Myself> parked care on main road during mid day
    Myself> <actually second most>
    <Tiggy> did someone see you John?
    <Tiggy> second?? tell the 1st!!
    Myself> depends on the steam on the windows. most likely not
    Myself> sorry - first is classified
    <Tiggy> lets ask couple # 2
    <Tiggy> <c&r> Well guys?
    E.> Let's ask Tiglon.
    Marti> John...was it YOU in the '57 Chevy that night?
    Myself> gotta have special govt clearance for that one
    <Tiggy> say something..if you can
    <Tiggy> ask waway E..i told all in my story hehhe
    Myself> which 57 chevy marti?
    <Tiggy> the one she ran into trying to look inside
    Marti> the blue one, John
    <Tiggy> =* tee hee *=
    Myself> no, I was in the other - other one
    JOEY> The convertible, Joh, You forgot to put the top up.
    <Tiggy> hahahah
    Marti> awww...wish I know who that guy was
    JOEY> He mooned the moon.
    <Tiggy> hheehee
    <Tiggy> got moon burns to I dont doubt
    TIGLON>> what was last week's Co hon?
    /s tiglon part one of which
    CABUYS>> what do you need govnt clearance for?
    /s tiglon part one of which this wk is part 2
    /s cabuys marti asked or was it tiggy -
    <Tiggy> ive always wanted to do it on the beach in greece
    /s cabuys about the most inconceivable thing u e
    TIGLON>> oh ok..
    /s cabuys about the most inconceivable thing u ever did
    JOEY> I LOVE it outdoors.
    E.> I've always wanted to do it on the beach in grease.
    <Tiggy> me too!! in sleeping bags is the greatest!!
    Marti> in greece on the beach?
    <Tiggy> uhg E
    <Tiggy> yea marti...i love greece..hot and sandy and all
    E.> In the ocean is nice.
    <Tiggy> and nude beaches heheh
    Myself> at least you'ld be well lubed beth
    JOEY> Not grease , liz, vaseline.
    <Tiggy> no vaseline..mazola
    JOEY> CRISCO PARTY!!!
    E.> I was kinda thinking Bain de Soleil.
    <Tiggy> ah sun tan oil eh?
    Marti> mazola? I've been missing something
    <Tiggy> mazola has no cholesterol
    <Tiggy> and doest get hard when frozen
    <Tiggy> <or is that sunlight?>
    E.> Neither does peanut butter, but it's kind of sticky.
    JOEY> E:2
    <Tiggy> jelly is a good lube E
    <Tiggy> better than Jello i think
    Connie & Rod> mazolla - slick trick
    E.> Too fattening.
    <Tiggy> <they speak once an hour>
    Myself> whipped cream and cherries
    Myself> great start for a 69 party
    Connie & Rod> - signed off -
    E.> Now you're talking, John. Fattening, but worth it!
    <Tiggy> my--* you like eating fruit off of your partner?
    ** Connie & Rod just joined CLE - SEXUAL POSITIONS - 2 (6 members now) **
    Connie & Rod> we speak when we need to, Tiggy! <grin>
    Myself> why not tig?
    Marti> a real quickie, huh connie and rod?
    JOEY> The only they said last time was deep heat...
    <Tiggy> no! i like that to John..just curious tis all
    E.> Once an hour isn't bad.
    <Tiggy> it isnt E?
    JOEY> Tonight, it is slick trick. Sheesh.
    E.> For several hours....
    <Tiggy> (gee im spioiled)
    Myself> i like peppermint too
    /s cabuys right
    <Tiggy> really?
    CABUYS>> right
    Marti> how about just pepper, myself?
    Marti> hhmmmm?
    Myself> not the same without the mint kid
    JOEY> Sneezing can be fun.
    <Tiggy> sneeze too much
    <Tiggy> kid?
    Marti> Will bring mint
    E.> Sneezing is like orgasm.
    Myself> tastes good and feels great
    Myself> I got launched once
    <Tiggy> according to Steve Martin yea E
    <Tiggy> launched?
    Myself> Just as Iwas getting there - she sneezed
    <Tiggy> hahahha
    E.> I didn't hear it from Steve Martin.
    Myself> figured the kids would be born that way too
    <Tiggy> hahah
    Myself> quick and painless
    <Tiggy> you were wrong huh?
    Myself> righgt
    Marti> HA!
    E.> Awwwww
    Myself> the kids all demanded womb service
    <Tiggy> ouch
    E.> And a womb with a view, huh?
    JOEY> Twins are womb mates.
    <Tiggy> wombies!!
    Myself> we had to install a bay window and a zipper
    <Tiggy> <so says baba wawa>
    Marti> Well..I gotta go..folks...got called..
    Myself> nite
    <Tiggy> bye marti!! kisskiss
    E.> Night Marti. See you soon.
    Marti> it's been fun...nice to be back...
    Connie & Rod> seeya Marti!
    JOEY> Nite Marti
    Marti> Night all!!
    Marti> - signed off -
    <Tiggy> well now its E and me against joe and john since C&R are taken
    <Tiggy> =* tee hee *=
    /gn tripple play
    JOEY> <puting on gloves>
    Myself> ** New group name "TRIPPLE PLAY" selected **
    E.> How do you know it isn't me and Joe against you and John?
    <Tiggy> i was hoping that E/...
    <Tiggy> <wrong sequence is all>
    Myself> or e n me against u n joe?
    <Tiggy> true
    E.> Voila.
    E.> So many combinations.
    Myself> or c&r n me against all of u!
    E.> And so little time.
    Connie & Rod> go for it, gang, while we take notes! <grin>
    <Tiggy> hahahhah dont u wish John
    JOEY> ?Wow, John.
    <Tiggy> to the showers Joe..where else?
    <Tiggy> ugh
    <Tiggy> forgot the /send
    JOEY> huh?
    E.> Come to think of it I wouldn't mind being against Joe or John at all.
    <Tiggy> between them E?
    <Tiggy> ive always wanted that..sigh
    Connie & Rod> is that against or up against, E?
    <Tiggy> heheh good point C&R
    E.> What do you think?
    Myself> i could rise to the occassion
    <Tiggy> Joe?
    JOEY> Yes.
    Connie & Rod> but Joey may be stiff competition, John.
    <Tiggy> that he might Connie (evol grin)
    E.> One at a time, please. (thinking it over)
    JOEY> We could get something between us.
    Myself> well I can be just as stiff as joey
    Myself> like a woman?
    JOEY> Right.
    <Tiggy> with persuasion John Im sure huh?
    Myself> <or two?>
    Myself> never met persuasion - she any good?
    JOEY> I have a stiff upper lip.
    <Tiggy> so i have heard hon
    <Tiggy> comes in handy Joe
    JOEY> Drives 'em crazy.
    Myself> cn do it that way too
    /s cabuys moving right along for a small group
    <Tiggy> e??
    E.> yes?
    <Tiggy> lost?
    <Tiggy> ah thereya are!
    E.> Sorry, distracted.
    CABUYS>> it sure is!
    <Tiggy> ohie!
    Connie & Rod> who's the distraction, E?
    <Tiggy> thats what I want to know
    <Tiggy> !!
    /s cabuys line noise rang my bell
    E.> My very own pups.
    <Tiggy> ar ar ar
    <Tiggy> pups?
    E.> My husband.
    JOEY> hehehe
    <Tiggy> <looking up that word>
    Myself> hi pups
    <Tiggy> ah married life yuko
    E.> Says you, dear.
    JOEY> Hi Alex.
    Myself> married life is great!!
    Myself> sex life is ok too
    Alex> Hi Joey.
    <Tiggy> just ok?
    <Tiggy> hi al
    Myself> jus ok
    <Tiggy> says me cause i dont kow is all
    Myself> why?
    <Tiggy> curious Joh
    <Tiggy> n
    E.> You get out what you put into it, no pun intended this time.
    E.> Right John?
    Myself> right
    Myself> care to demo?
    <Tiggy> i guess its the same as anything that needs work to grow and such
    E.> No offense, Joe, dear, you'll get yours I'm sure.
    <Tiggy> he often does yea E
    <Tiggy> <ops>
    /s cabuys get q's for me for tomorrow ok - planto post inafternoon some time
    <Tiggy> you can help me finish my next story Joe
    E.> What's the beginning?
    JOEY> I can?
    <Tiggy> sure!
    JOEY> How?
    <Tiggy> e--* i dont know yet
    CABUYS>> will do, dear.
    /s cabuys thanks lover - KISS
    E.> Then how can he help you finish it?
    <Tiggy> joe--* im sure you could think of something
    <Tiggy> he has to start it too hon..
    /s tiggy I can <grin>
    <Tiggy> i have an outline tho
    Connie & Rod> well, gang, notes are completed and it's time for bed.
    Myself> /s tiggy I can <grin>
    /s cabuys intentional sen on open
    <Tiggy> / myself ah really?
    Connie & Rod> goodnight everyone!
    <Tiggy> night night you too!
    JOEY> You got that backwards connie.
    Myself> night all
    Myself> time for bed
    JOEY> Nite c & R.
    Myself> wanna cum?
    TIGLON>> leacing after that remark?
    <Tiggy> i do
    <Tiggy> uh ugh
    <Tiggy> shut up gayle
    <Tiggy> ok
    /s cabuys kiss lover - night joey
    E.> cum laude (slow)
    JOEY> Nite John
    JOEY> slow is good.
    E.> Night John?
    Connie & Rod> - signed off -
    TIGLON>> you could what..start it or finish it?
    /s tiglon yes
    <Tiggy> well wel know what c&r are going to do
    E.> Well, I should go too.
    TIGLON>> both?
    /gn wrapping 'it' up
    E.> Been a long day.
    <Tiggy> night night E
    Myself> ** New group name "WRAPPING 'IT' UP" selected **
    <Tiggy> have fun on plink!
    Myself> could be tig
    JOEY> Nite Liz. Sleep tight.
    E.> I think I already have, Tig.
    <Tiggy> oh i bet!
    TIGLON>> oh sounds good to me
    E.> Speaking of wrapping it up...
    <Tiggy> <just realizing how cold it is here>
    Myself> close ur legs - its tighter that way
    E.> Always wanted to try the "Meet him at the door wrapped in Saran Wrap" trick.
    
    <Tiggy> try holding that aspirin
    <Tiggy> hahahahaha
    Myself> say when E
    JOEY> Just make sure it's *him*.
    E.> I'll remember that Joe <grin>
    <Tiggy> well if him rings the bell..itll be him
    Myself> <removing shirt>
    <Tiggy> right?
    E.> Maybe yes, maybe no.
    <Tiggy> <taking off robe>
    Myself> <and pants>
    E.> That's it, right John?
    <Tiggy> I'll open with 2 cards
    Myself> right
    <Tiggy> ah
    E.> Atta boy!
    Myself> <dealing two cards>
    E.> All conversations lead to underwear.
    <Tiggy> <looking at cards and counting clothes..uh>
    Myself> which is all I have left on.
    E.> Or lack thereof.
    <Tiggy> or removal thereof
    Myself> u have to win first
    E.> Jacks or better?
    <Tiggy> yes e
    Myself> right
    E.> I prefer strip Monopoly.
    <Tiggy> i cant win with these cards JOhn
    /gn strip co
    Myself> ** New group name "STRIP CO" selected **
    <Tiggy> that takes too long E
    <Tiggy> try strip yatzee
    E.> You got it.
    JOEY> Strip monopoly? hmmmmm
    E.> Ready when you are, J.
    TIGLON>> people get sillyy after midnight huh
    JOEY> <getting board>
    Myself> right tig
    E.> Too difficult over the modem. Come back!
    <Tiggy> can i play?
    Myself> drawing one card
    E.> I don't know. Can you?
    JOEY> ok.
    Myself> I call
    <Tiggy> what u got John?
    Myself> I called - u tell
    <Tiggy> can it bet 3 kings and an ace?
    Myself> sorry love - royal flush
    <Tiggy> arg
    <Tiggy> what u want off?
    JOEY> Well, nite folks.
    Myself> what u got on?
    Myself> nite joey
    <Tiggy> well lets see..
    JOEY> Enjoy the game. (smile)
    <Tiggy> night joe !!==Tiger Kisses== & //Lion Licks//
    <Tiggy> robe..socks..undies...
    <Tiggy> thats bout all
    Myself> u took robe off already
    Myself> take off the socks
    <Tiggy> and my teddy (oh yea..robe is on floor)
    <Tiggy> <socks off>
    E.> Night folks. See you next week.
    Myself> dealing next hand
    JOEY> - signed off -
    E.> - signed off -
    Myself> nie e
    <Tiggy> bye guys!
    <Tiggy> er too late
    Myself> they all gone
    <Tiggy> so i see..im slow
    Myself> think I will too
    <Tiggy> or 300 baud is alow
    <Tiggy> night night hon!
    Myself> ur baud is ok - so i am told
    <Tiggy> take care ok?
    Myself> nite
    <Tiggy> oh ye?? says who?
    Myself> - signed off -
    
    WS> ^Z