de Lacy, Payne FitzJohn

Birth Name de Lacy, Payne FitzJohn
Gender male
Age at Death 39 years, 6 months, 9 days

Narrative

PAYN FITZJOHN, probably 1st son and heir, was born before 1100. He was one of those minor barons who rose to importance and wealth as officers of Henry I, and from 1120 or earlier he constantly attests royal charters. In 1126 he became the King's vice-gerent in the palatine county of Shropshire. In 1130 he was acting as a Justice in cos. Stafford, Gloucester and Northants, usually in conjunction with Miles of Gloucester. He is said to have built Pain's Castle, co. Radnor; and in 1134 the Welsh burnt his castle of Caus, Salop, and slew all its inmates. At the death of Henry I he was vice-gerent of cos. Hereford and Salop; and he and Miles abovenamed, who ruled co. Gloucester, had extended their power over the Marches from the Severn to the sea. With other officers of the late King they would not go to court without a safe-conduct, fearing that they might be forced to disgorge the wealth which they had accumulated. Eventually they joined Stephen at Reading for the late King's funeral in January 1135/6. At Easter Payn was with Stephen at Westminster and he proceeded with the King to Oxford.

He married Sibyl, daughter of Geoffrey TALBOT, by Agnes, probably daughter of Walter DE LACY. Payn gave Sibyl as dower land from his own inheritance. He was killed when pursuing Welsh marauders by a javelin which pierced his head, and so died s.p.m. 10 July 1137 and was buried in the chapter-house of Gloucester Abbey. Sibyl survived him (j). [Complete Peerage XII/2:270-1, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

(j) Shortly after her husband's death the Bishop of Salisbury, as Chief Justiciar, ordered her to restore the property of her late husband removed by her since the confirmation of his possessions to their elder daughter, Cecily and her husband Roger, son of Miles de Gloucester, in particular the wheat, hay and wine. As Sybil de Lacy, for her soul and for the soul of her lord Pay FitzJohn, she confirmed a grant to her uncle, Walter de Lacy, Abbot of Gloucester.

 

 

Events

Event Date Place Description Sources
Birth 1098 Knaresborough Castle, Yorkshire, England   1a
Death 1137-07-10 Ewyas, Herefordshire, England   1b

Age: 39y

Parents

Relation to main person Name Birth date Death date Relation within this family (if not by birth)
Father de Lacy, John FitzNigell10601138
Mother de Blois, Magdalen1040
    Brother     de Lacy, Eustace FitzJohn Clavering 1085 1157-07-03
    Brother     de Lacy, Richard FitzJohn 1087
    Brother     de Lacy, William FitzJohn 1090
    Sister     de Lacy, Agnes FitzJohn 1094
         de Lacy, Payne FitzJohn 1098 1137-07-10
    Sister     de Lacy, Alice FitzJohn 1104

Families

Family of de Lacy, Payne FitzJohn and de Talbot, Sybil
Unknown Partner de Talbot, Sybil ( * 1103 + ... )
  Children
Name Birth Date Death Date
FitzPayne, Agnes11251191-09-29
FitzPayne, John1134
FitzPayne, Cecily1136

Source References

  1. Michael Neuman: http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=michaelrneuman&id=I017773 Neuman-Smith-Goodale Family and Ancestors
      • Source text:

        ID: I017773
        Name: Payne FitzJohn de Lacy 1
        Sex: M
        Birth: ABT 1098 in KKnaresborough Castle, Yorkshire, England 1
        Death: 10 JUL 1137 in Ewyas, Herefordshire, England
        Note:
        PAYN FITZJOHN, probably 1st son and heir, was born before 1100. He was one of those minor barons who rose to importance and wealth as officers of Henry I, and from 1120 or earlier he constantly attests royal charters. In 1126 he became the King's vice-gerent in the palatine county of Shropshire. In 1130 he was acting as a Justice in cos. Stafford, Gloucester and Northants, usually in conjunction with Miles of Gloucester. He is said to have built Pain's Castle, co. Radnor; and in 1134 the Welsh burnt his castle of Caus, Salop, and slew all its inmates. At the death of Henry I he was vice-gerent of cos. Hereford and Salop; and he and Miles abovenamed, who ruled co. Gloucester, had extended their power over the Marches from the Severn to the sea. With other officers of the late King they would not go to court without a safe-conduct, fearing that they might be forced to disgorge the wealth which they had accumulated. Eventually they joined Stephen at Reading for the late King's funeral in January 1135/6. At Easter Payn was with Stephen at Westminster and he proceeded with the King to Oxford.

        He married Sibyl, daughter of Geoffrey TALBOT, by Agnes, probably daughter of Walter DE LACY. Payn gave Sibyl as dower land from his own inheritance. He was killed when pursuing Welsh marauders by a javelin which pierced his head, and so died s.p.m. 10 July 1137 and was buried in the chapter-house of Gloucester Abbey. Sibyl survived him (j). [Complete Peerage XII/2:270-1, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

        (j) Shortly after her husband's death the Bishop of Salisbury, as Chief Justiciar, ordered her to restore the property of her late husband removed by her since the confirmation of his possessions to their elder daughter, Cecily and her husband Roger, son of Miles de Gloucester, in particular the wheat, hay and wine. As Sybil de Lacy, for her soul and for the soul of her lord Pay FitzJohn, she confirmed a grant to her uncle, Walter de Lacy, Abbot of Gloucester.

         

         

        Father: John "Monoculus" FitzNigell de Lacy b: ABT 1060 in Chester, Cheshire, England
        Mother: Magdalen b: ABT 1064 in Knaresborough, Yorkshire, England

        Marriage 1 Sybil de Talbot b: ABT 1103 in Swanscombe, Dartford, Kent, England
        Children
        Agnes FitzPayne b: ABT 1125 in Ewyas, Herefordshire, England
        John FitzPayne b: ABT 1134 in Ewyas, Herefordshire, England
        Cecily FitzPayne b: ABT 1136 in Ewyas, Herefordshire, England

        Sources:
        Title: Richard de Lacy.ged
        Repository:
        Media: Other
        Text: Date of Import: 17 Feb 2005

         

      • Citation:

        Descendants and ancestors of George Smith and Eva Goodale

        michaelneuman@earthlink.net

      • Source text:

        ID: I017773
        Name: Payne FitzJohn de Lacy 1
        Sex: M
        Birth: ABT 1098 in KKnaresborough Castle, Yorkshire, England 1
        Death: 10 JUL 1137 in Ewyas, Herefordshire, England
        Note:
        PAYN FITZJOHN, probably 1st son and heir, was born before 1100. He was one of those minor barons who rose to importance and wealth as officers of Henry I, and from 1120 or earlier he constantly attests royal charters. In 1126 he became the King's vice-gerent in the palatine county of Shropshire. In 1130 he was acting as a Justice in cos. Stafford, Gloucester and Northants, usually in conjunction with Miles of Gloucester. He is said to have built Pain's Castle, co. Radnor; and in 1134 the Welsh burnt his castle of Caus, Salop, and slew all its inmates. At the death of Henry I he was vice-gerent of cos. Hereford and Salop; and he and Miles abovenamed, who ruled co. Gloucester, had extended their power over the Marches from the Severn to the sea. With other officers of the late King they would not go to court without a safe-conduct, fearing that they might be forced to disgorge the wealth which they had accumulated. Eventually they joined Stephen at Reading for the late King's funeral in January 1135/6. At Easter Payn was with Stephen at Westminster and he proceeded with the King to Oxford.

        He married Sibyl, daughter of Geoffrey TALBOT, by Agnes, probably daughter of Walter DE LACY. Payn gave Sibyl as dower land from his own inheritance. He was killed when pursuing Welsh marauders by a javelin which pierced his head, and so died s.p.m. 10 July 1137 and was buried in the chapter-house of Gloucester Abbey. Sibyl survived him (j). [Complete Peerage XII/2:270-1, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

        (j) Shortly after her husband's death the Bishop of Salisbury, as Chief Justiciar, ordered her to restore the property of her late husband removed by her since the confirmation of his possessions to their elder daughter, Cecily and her husband Roger, son of Miles de Gloucester, in particular the wheat, hay and wine. As Sybil de Lacy, for her soul and for the soul of her lord Pay FitzJohn, she confirmed a grant to her uncle, Walter de Lacy, Abbot of Gloucester.

         

         

        Father: John "Monoculus" FitzNigell de Lacy b: ABT 1060 in Chester, Cheshire, England
        Mother: Magdalen b: ABT 1064 in Knaresborough, Yorkshire, England

        Marriage 1 Sybil de Talbot b: ABT 1103 in Swanscombe, Dartford, Kent, England
        Children
        Agnes FitzPayne b: ABT 1125 in Ewyas, Herefordshire, England
        John FitzPayne b: ABT 1134 in Ewyas, Herefordshire, England
        Cecily FitzPayne b: ABT 1136 in Ewyas, Herefordshire, England

        Sources:
        Title: Richard de Lacy.ged
        Repository:
        Media: Other
        Text: Date of Import: 17 Feb 2005

         

      • Citation:

        Descendants and ancestors of George Smith and Eva Goodale

        michaelneuman@earthlink.net