The Skaggs-Files

From: Douglas Richardson (royalancestry@msn.com)
Note: Note: Subject: Re: Bishop's Kinsfolk: Bishop Godfrey Giffard's kinsman, William de Beauchamp, Earl of Warwick
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2003-10-30 08:25:54 PST
Dear Chris ~
Yes, you are correct. The "C." stands for Chancery, as in Inquisition Post Mortem. Below please find a copy of the inquisition for Margaret (or Margery) de Cormeilles, one of the daughters and co-heiresses of Walter de Cormeilles. The inquisition is split into two parts, one an inquest held in Herefordshire, the other held in Gloucestershire. The writs for both inquests are dated May 1236.

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Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem 1 (1904): 1-2 Inquisition Post Mortem of Margaret alias Margery de Cormeilles
Writ to the sheriff of Hereford, 16 May, 20 Henry III [1236]. Inq. (undated).

Her daughters, Alice, the wife of Robert le Archer, and Isabel, the wife of Simon de Solers, are her heirs by Walter de Stokes, her husband.

HEREFORD. Tatinton and Bolingehop' in Clehungre, ½ knight's fee, containing 3 carucates (and) 100 s. rent, held of the king in chief.

Eston town, 1 knight's fee held by Roger de Eston.
Note: GLOUCESTER, Begesoure and Hennemerse, 1 knight's fee held by James de Solers.

Writ to the sheriff of Gloucester, 17 May, 20 Henry III [1236]. Inq. (undated).

GLOUCESTER. The jury know of no land held by any Margaret de Cormailles of the king in chief, but one Albreda de Marmiun sometime held certain lands of the king in chief in dower, which lands Henry de Penebrigg' now holds of Hugh Giffard, and he of the king in chief.
C. Hen. III. File 1. (5.) END OF QUOTE.

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The inquisition above indicates that a certain Aubrey Marmion formerly held Cormeilles property in dower, which property was being held in 1236 by Hugh Giffard, the known husband of Sibyl, one of the four Cormeilles co-heiresses. This suggests that Aubrey Marmion was the widow sometime before 1236 of a Cormeilles male, presumably Walter de Cormeilles himself. Also, it indicates that Aubrey Marmion survived her Cormeilles marriage, and was presumably dead before 1236.Inasmuch as the
inquisition above indicated that the Cormeilles family held lands in Gloucestershire, I checked the Book of Fees for anything pertaining to Walter de Cormeilles. I found the following item in the source: Book of Fees commonly called Testa de Nevill. Part I (1920),pg. 50:

A.D. 1211-1213. Gloucester.

"Feoda Walteri de Cormailles in Wunnestan [Winson] et Elkestr [Elkstone] et Sid' [Syde] cum pertinenciis v. milites." END OF QUOTE.

Finally, I located an article in the Bristol & Gloucestershire Society journal which pertains to the Cormeilles family. The author states unequivocably that Walter de Cormeilles married Aubrey Marmion, but he does not give his source.
Note: Interestingly, the article reveals Bishop Godfrey Giffard's known kinsman, Thomas de Solers, was a descendant of the Cormailles family as was the Bishop.
Note: Transactions of the Bristol and Gloucestershire Archaeological Society, 40 (1917): 115-116:
Note: "… Richard Cormeilles, his son, was father of a second Richard, and grandfather of Walter Cormeilles, who married Albreda de Marmion, and left by her four daughters, his co-heiresses, viz. Albreda, married to John le Brun; Sibyl, the wife of

Hugh Giffard; Alice, married to Godfrey de Craycumbe; and Margaret, the wife of Walter de Stokes. At the death of Walter de Cormeilles his estates were divided between his four daughters. The Manors of Hope and Aston in the County of Hereford,together with the Manor of Pauntley, and certain other land in Gloucestershire, came to Margaret, the wife of Walter de Stokes. She dying without male issue, her property was divided between her two daughters, co-heiresses. The elder, Alice,carried the Manor of Aston in marriage to Robert le Archer. The younger, Isabel, wife of Simon de Solers, inherited the Manors of Hope and Pauntley. The manors remained in the Solers family until 1310, when by Inquisition P.M. it was found that John, son of Thomas Solers, held at his decease, besides the Manor of Solers Hope, the Manor of Pauntley in Gloucestershire, and that his "kinsman" William de Wytington was his heir (see pedigree post). By the marriage of this William de Wytington of Co. Warwick with Maud, only daughter and heiress of John Solers, the Manors of Solers Hope and Pauntley became vested in the Whittington family from 1310 to 1546." END OF QUOTE.

I don't know who made the connection between Aubrey Marmion, wife of Walter de Cormeilles, and Aubrey Marmion, wife of William de Camville. I believe that Paget is correct that the two women are the same person, especially given Bishop Giffard's claim to kinship to Earl William de Beauchamp. Reviewing my notes, I see that Paget gives two sources for the marriage of Aubrey Marmion and William de Camville:

Plac. temp. Ric. 1 & Joh. rot. 4; Cart. l Joh. m 5
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

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In 1086 the manor of WINSTONE was held by Ansfrid de Cormeilles who had received it on his marriage to a niece of Walter de Lacy, (fn. 45) although Walter's son Hugh may have held the estate at some stage. (fn. 46) The overlordship of the manor descended with the honor of Cormeilles, (fn. 47) passing in the early 13th century, at the division of the honor among the daughters of Walter de Cormeilles, to Godfrey of Craycombe who married Alice. (fn. 48) From 1303, however, the earls of Hereford were regarded as overlords of Winstone manor, (fn. 49) possibly by virtue of a grant of the overlordship of the honor of Cormeilles made by the Empress Maud to Miles of Gloucester in 1141.

From: 'Winstone: Manors and other estates', A History of the County of Gloucester: Volume 11: Bisley and Longtree Hundreds (1976), pp. 147-48. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.asp?compid=19070. Date accessed: 07 September 2007.
Change Date: 7 SEP 2007