FitzWilliam, John 1a 2a 3a 4a 2b

Birth Name FitzWilliam, John
Gender male
Age at Death unknown

Narrative

Of these [the children of John FitzWilliam & Eleanor Greene] the younger John is said to have been of Green's Norton, and the ancestor of the Milton FitzWilliams.

Reverting to John FitzWilliam of Green's Norton, the alleged 6th son of Sir John of Emley, I have never found any references to him in any document, and neither he nor his family are mentioned in any of the numerous fifteenth-century wills of members of the Yorkshire branches of the family. This, of course, does not prove his non-existence, but I doubt if he could have been the father of Sir William who bought Milton. John cannot have been born, at the latest, more than a few months after his father's death on 5 July 1417, and it may have been some years earlier (his eldest brother, the first John, was born 15 Aug 1397). I do not know when Sir William I of Milton was born--his age is not given on his brass at Marham--but his son, Sir William II of Milton, was born in 1503 or 1504. We have thus a period of 86 years to cover only two generations; it is not phyically impossible, but demands strict proof. [Complete Peerage V:518-520 Note]

NOTE: Since CP doesn't find any documents on him, I don't believe that he held Greene's Norton, as that property seemed to descend to Henry Greene of Drayton's brother, Thomas, and to his heirs. And he didn't hold Gainspark (Gaynes Park Hall) as so many people state, because his son William didn't purchase Gaynes Park until April 1508. So I am placing him at Milton.

Events

Event Date Place Description Sources
Birth 1417 Sprotbrough, Doncaster, Yorkshire, England   2c
Death Deceased Milton, Hardingstone, Northamptonshire, England    

Parents

Relation to main person Name Birth date Death date Relation within this family (if not by birth)
Father FitzWilliam, John1377-07-251417-07-05
Mother Greene, Eleanor13831422-12-21
    Brother     FitzWilliam, John 1400 1421
         FitzWilliam, John 1417 Deceased

Families

Family of FitzWilliam, John and Villiers, Helen (Ellen\Eleanor)
Unknown Partner Villiers, Helen (Ellen\Eleanor) ( * 1430 + ... )
  Children
Name Birth Date Death Date
FitzWilliam, William14551534-09-08

Source References

  1. The Royal Descents of 500 Immigrants to the American Colonies or the United States, by Gary Boyd Roberts, 1993
      • Page: 315
  2. Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000
      • Page: V:519-520 Note
      • Page: V:520 Note
      • Page: V:520 Note
  3. Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com
      • Page: Leo van de Pas, 12 May 2000
  4. Jim Weber: http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=jweber&id=I36481 The Phillips, Weber, Kirk, & Staggs families of the Pacific Northwest
      • Source text:

        # ID: I36481
        # Name: Ralph de BELLERS , of Kirby Bellars 1
        # Sex: M
        # ALIA: Ralph de /Belers/
        # Birth: ABT 1195 in Kirby Bellars, Melton Mowbray, Leicestershire, England

         

         

        Father: Rafe BELLERS , of Kirby Bellars b: ABT 1167 in Ab Kettleby, Melton Mowbray, Leicestershire, England
        Mother: Emma FOLVILLE b: ABT 1177 in Ashby Folville, Melton Mowbray, Leicestershire, England

        Marriage 1 Spouse Unknown

        Children

        1. Has Children Roger de BELLERS , Sheriff of Lincolnshire b: ABT 1225 in Kirby Bellars, Melton Mowbray, Leicestershire, England

         

        Sources:

        1. Title: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com
        Page: Michael Andrews-Reading (mjcar), 19 Feb 2008
        Text: Ralph de Belers

         

         

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