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1. Comyn, John
   1. de Ros, Alice
      1. Comyn, Robert
      2. Comyn, John of Ulceby
         1. , Maud
            1. Comyn, Robert of Ulceby
            2. Comyn, Isabel
      3. Comyn, Alicia

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Source References

1. Susan Johanson: http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=johanson&id=I66795 Johanson Family Tree-Roots spreading from Sweden, Medieval England, Massachusetts, and South Carolina
   1. • Source text:

        # ID: I66795
        # Name: John COMYN of Ulceby 1 2
        # Sex: M
        # Reference Number: 53009
        # Birth: ABT 1268 in Badenoch, Inverness, Scotland
        # Death: BEF 1332 in Ulceby, Lincolnshire, England

         

         

        Father: John COMYN I The Red . Lord of Badenoch b: ABT 1211 in Badenoch, Inverness, Scotland
        Mother: Alice de ROS b: ABT 1242 in of Helmsley, Yorkshire, England

        Marriage 1 MAUD b: ABT 1275 in England

        Children

        1. Has Children Isabel COMYN b: ABT 1312 in Ulceby, Lincolnshire, England
        2. Has No Children Robert Comyn of Ulceby b: ABT 1290 in Ulceby, Lincolnshire, England

         

        Sources:

        1. Title: Douglas Richardson - soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com
        Repository:
        Name: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com
        Note:
        Source Medium: Internet

        Page: 8/17/2005
        Text:
        In Robert Comyn's lawsuit dated 1335, he identified himself as the son
        of John Comyn, who was the son of John Comyn, [Sr.], by Alice de Roos.
        An abstract of the lawsuit is presented in Lincolnshire Notes &
        Queries, 9 (1907): 249-250. You'll also want to examine another
        lawsuit abstracted in Genealogist, n.s. 9 (1892): 13, which likewise
        deals with Alice de Roos' manor at Ulceby, Lincolnshire, which she had
        as her maritagium.

        For further evidence that John Comyn, [Sr.] and his 2nd wife, Alice de
        Roos, had a son named John, see Bain, Cal. of Docs. Rel. Scotland 2
        (1884): 168, 963, and Scots Peerage, 1 (1904): 507 (sub Comyn). I
        should mention that John Comyn, [Sr.] had an older son, John, by his
        first wife, Eve [see Easson, Charters of the Abbey of Coupar Angus 1
        (Scottish Hist. Soc. 3rd Ser. 40) (1947): 134-135; reference courtesy
        of Andrew MacEwen]. Alice de Roos was not the mother of this older
        son, as is commonly thought to be the case by genealogists. The older
        John is the ancestor of the Comyn family of Badenoch. This represents
        a major rearrangement in the Comyn family tree.

        John Comyn, of Ulceby, Lincolnshire [son of Alice de Roos] appears in
        one record in the helpful online A2A catalogue. This record shows that
        he took up residence at Ulceby:

        Nottinghamshire Archives: Foljambe of Osberton: Deeds and Estate
        Papers, DD/FJ/1/165/2, lease dated 7 April 1302 from John Comyn of
        Ulseby, Lincolnshire to the Abbot and Convent of Thorenton, for
        maintenance of the poor in their hospital, the common of pasture in
        Ulseby to use every other year for 20 years (abstract of document
        available online at http://www.a2a.org.uk/search/index.asp).

        As for Alice de Roos, widow of John Comyn, my research shows that she
        married (2nd) James de Byron, Knt., of Cadney, Lincolnshire, son of
        Richard de Byron, Knt. In 1277 James was going to Wales on the
        king's service. In 1282 he witnessed a deed of Henry de Lacy, Earl
        of Lincoln. Lady Alice de Roos, noblewoman, died testate on or shortly
        before 29 April 1286, and was buried in the church of the Friars Minor,
        Lincoln. In 1285-6 Sir James de Byron paid to his wife's executors
        £98 for the third part of her moveable goods, and also gave for the
        health of his soul and that of Alice his wife to the men of Husum a
        selion [or ridge] of land. In 1287 he had letters of protection, he
        going to the Holy Land. In 1296 Oliver de Sutton, Bishop of Lincoln,
        committed to the subdean and to Masters John le Fleming and William of
        Langworth to grant probate of Alice's will. Sir James Byron died
        about 1300.

        Alice de Roos' 2nd marriage and her burial in Lincolnshire in 1286 has
        similarly been overlooked by genealogists. That Alice is the
        ancestress of the cadet branch of the Comyn family of Ulceby,
        Lincolnshire is clearly proven in the records. You can find further
        details on all of these people in my book, Magna Carta Ancestry (2005).

        Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
        2. Author: Douglas Richardson
        Title: Magna Carta Ancestry :A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families - Royal Ancestry Series
        Publication: Name: Genealogical Publishing Co.- 2005;
        Repository:
        Name: Susan Johanson's library
        Page: 201

         

         

      • Citation:

        e-mail: scjohanson5@comcast.net

2. Susan Johanson: http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=johanson&id=I66761&style=TABLE Johanson Family Tree-Roots spreading from Sweden, Medieval England, Massachusetts, and South Carolina