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Continuing to dig through these relics of internet pre-history I found at a thrift store a number of years ago (see the last post here<\/a>), this particular 5.25″ floppy disk appears to contain various forum messages from a subgrup called “Close Encounters” of a Special Interest Group called “Close Encounters” from Delphi. Sounds pretty confusing to me too but I can’t claim to be an expert on how Delphi was organized in 1985 (or ever). <\/p>\n

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The disk is labeled “Forum Messages 9\/8\/85” so I assume all these messages are from 1985. Delphi was an pre-Internet online service similar to Compuserve or GEnie among others. Forum messages then were much the same as they are now, it’s just that you were dealing with messages in a text based terminal and not a web browser. These files appear to be text captured from a terminal program while reading this particular forum. The messages are split into two files: M001-105.DOC and M106-117.DOC. These probably refer to the message numbers. At any rate, these give you some insight into at least one small dark corner of pre-internet online activity…<\/p>\n

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2 4-JUL-07:47: General Information
\n Our Sig and other things
\n From: JOHNMYSELF To: ALL<\/p>\n

Please read the What’s new announcements for updates (of course) on what is.
\nNote that here, messages will be listed under topics already assigned. These
\nare the same topic headings as are in the databases. If you are reading this,
\nyou already know how to get here so it remains to figure this place out. There
\nwill be help available in the general information section of the databases (as
\nsoon as we get it written). If you need help just ask via mail to one of the
\nsig managers, or here in the message space. Please note: when posting messages,<\/p>\n

please select the topic that most nearly fits the message subject. Thank
\nyou. John – Myself<\/p>\n

FORUM> <\/p>\n

3 25-JUL 20:01 General Information
\n Our New Place and the Walls
\n From: JOHNMYSELF To: ALL<\/p>\n

Well, now that we are here, it is time we put something on the walls. I have
\nsome files that Princess wrote which will be here as soon as I figure out
\nexactly where I hid them on my hard disk.<\/p>\n

If there is anything not here that you would like (providing I have it) just let<\/p>\n

me know and I will get it out asap.<\/p>\n

If you find things here that for some reason aren’t quite right, or working
\nproperly, again let us know and we will see what can be done or fix it if it is
\nsomething we can do ourselves.<\/p>\n

Don’t forget the sig members open house conference this saturday.<\/p>\n

John – Myself<\/p>\n

Enter FOLLOW for related Message(s).<\/p>\n

FORUM> <\/p>\n

5 25-JUL 22:30 Fantasies
\n Fantasies – What are they?
\n From: JOHNMYSELF To: ALL<\/p>\n

Fantasies:
\n What are they? Are they a product of our imaginations? Are
\nthey secret wishes and\/or desires? If we write a certain type of
\nfantasy does that mean we want to make it a reality? How should we
\nand others close to us view and handle our fantasies?<\/p>\n

Peggay aka Princess<\/p>\n

Enter FOLLOW for related Message(s).<\/p>\n

FORUM> <\/p>\n

6 25-JUL 22:31 Play Ground
\n A Joke
\n From: JOHNMYSELF To: ALL<\/p>\n

This board has been explained to you in a message already,
\nbut I figured I would get into the fun of it with a small
\njoke someone told me just this morning, so here goes:<\/p>\n

What is the difference between ‘erotic’ and ‘kinky’?<\/p>\n

‘Erotic’ is when you do it with a feather,
\nand ‘kinky’ is when you use the whole chicken!<\/p>\n


\n Peggy aka Princess<\/p>\n

Enter FOLLOW for related Message(s).<\/p>\n

FORUM> <\/p>\n

7 25-JUL 22:32 Matchmaker
\n Something About Us
\n From: JOHNMYSELF To: ALL<\/p>\n

Since we are not ready for our own matchmaking service, I
\nwas thinking that maybe what we could do here is to leave
\ninformation about ourselves – who we are, what we may be
\nlooking for, what we like to do, etc. – and reply to the
\nones who interest us. (not me tho – I am not involved here –
\nas I am married – sorry guys! )<\/p>\n

Well, what do you think?<\/p>\n

Peggy<\/p>\n

FORUM> <\/p>\n

8 25-JUL 22:34 Close Encounters
\n Close Encounters Group in the Sig
\n From: JOHNMYSELF To: ALL<\/p>\n

Hi All,
\n Welcome to the New Home of the Sub-Group of Close Encounters.
\nIt might get somewhat confusing to have both the SIG and sub-group
\nwith the same name – but since we are all a part of the whole anyway,
\nshould not be too bad.
\n I would like some input from you as to what you would like
\nour group to do. When the original group was set up it was thought
\nthat we might use it as a smaller – more intimate version of the
\nSIG in general – basically where some things could be discussed
\nwith fewer people or just on a one-to-one basis – the enoounter
\ngroup idea. I had originally decided to try to schedule a conference
\nfor this group every other week. The ones we had were not what we
\nhad figured they might be. Actually, this group is not really a
\nscheduleable type of thing. What I would like it to be would be
\nsomewhere we could go to discuss things that are too hard to
\ntalk about in the larger group. And, not necessarily on a schedule –
\nmore like by contacting me or another member of the group
\nwhen you have questions about feelings or fears that might come
\nup and then scheduling a meeting about it. Sometimes you will be
\nsurprised to find that others you know are experiencing the same
\nproblems, or feelings, or fears that you are. If enough are we can
\nthen set up a time to hold a co among ourselves about it. Generally
\nit will be sort of an impromptu group more than a scheduled one.
\n I would like you to post any questions you may have here,
\nor suggestions, or ideas, or just anything you would like to share
\nwith us. We are all adults and will respect and appreciate anything
\nyou may have to add to our group.
\n Thanks and a (HUG) in welcome<\/p>\n

Peggy aka Princess <\/p>\n

FORUM> <\/p>\n

9 25-JUL 22:35 Lifestyles
\n Question About Lifestyles and Change.
\n From: JOHNMYSELF To: ALL<\/p>\n

Lifestyles today:<\/p>\n

How are they different from our Parents’ day?
\nAre they *much* different?
\nWhat do we teach our children about them?
\nHow do we deal with them?<\/p>\n

Any input will be welcome.<\/p>\n

Thank you,<\/p>\n

Peggy <\/p>\n

FORUM> <\/p>\n

10 30-JUL 22:28
\n RE: (Re: Msg 5389)
\n From: ALESSAN To: PRINCESS<\/p>\n

I think we should handle them ‘VERY CAREFULLY’!!! <\/p>\n

Really though, I think they are a combination of all of the things you listed
\nplus maybe a few more, part of a mood setting, or what we were told to expect
\nwhen we were growing up.<\/p>\n

They can be a great turn-on and if taken too seriously a danger to a relationsip<\/p>\n

and\/or friendship. They can be such a turn-off that they scare some away.<\/p>\n

John<\/p>\n

FORUM> <\/p>\n

11 30-JUL 22:30 Play Ground
\n RE: A Joke (Re: Msg 6)
\n From: ALESSAN To: PRINCESS<\/p>\n

< G R O A N ! ! ! ! ! ! ><\/p>\n

’nuff said. <\/p>\n

FORUM> <\/p>\n

12 3-AUG-14:51: Open Forum
\n A Flower for Connie
\n From: RODM To: CABUYS<\/p>\n

When two people are in love they often give each other a “flower.” A flower is
\nsomething beautiful, delicate, and given in love. The flower may be something
\ndone, something said, or a loving look or glance.<\/p>\n

A love affair is when two people take those flowers and make a bouquet. And as
\nthe flowers wilt with age they are replaced with new ones which are fresh and
\neven more beautiful than the ones before, and thus the bouquet remains fresh and<\/p>\n

beautiful.<\/p>\n

So give someone you love a “flower” today, and soon you’ll have a bouquet!<\/p>\n

Enter FOLLOW for related Message(s).<\/p>\n

FORUM> <\/p>\n

13 3-AUG-14:55: Open Forum
\n RE: A Flower for Connie (Re: Msg 12)
\n From: CABUYS To: RODM<\/p>\n

That is the most beautiful description of a flower that I’ve ever seen!<\/p>\n

If more people would realize how easy it is to have such a “bouquet”, then the
\nworld would be filled with much more love and happiness than it now is.<\/p>\n

FORUM> <\/p>\n

14 3-AUG-14:59: Open Forum
\n More about flowers
\n From: CABUYS To: ALL<\/p>\n

Just so all of you will know the story behind the message posted by RODM, I’d
\nlike to fill you in a little.<\/p>\n

Rod has told me that he’s not the “romantic” type, that he never thinks to send
\ncards or flowers, etc., – yet he has consistently proven himself wrong these
\npast few weeks.<\/p>\n

He sent the “flower” message to me via DMAIL and I asked him to repost it here.
\nHe didn’t have time to do so before going on vacation for three weeks but did
\nallow me access to his account to post it.<\/p>\n

I hope that all of you enjoy the true meaning befind his message. It’s the
\nlittle things we do for each other that convey our love.<\/p>\n

Enter FOLLOW for related Message(s).<\/p>\n

FORUM> <\/p>\n

15 6-AUG-19:21: Open Forum
\n RE: More about flowers (Re: Msg 14)
\n From: JOEY To: CABUYS<\/p>\n

Maybe you bring out the best in him, Connie.<\/p>\n

Enter FOLLOW for related Message(s).<\/p>\n

FORUM> <\/p>\n

16 6-AUG-19:29: Open Forum
\n RE: More about flowers (Re: Msg 15)
\n From: CABUYS To: JOEY<\/p>\n

I do so hope that’s true, Joey. And I already know he brings out the best in
\nme.<\/p>\n

There’s nothing like the feeling of being in love! But in this case, we have
\noften asked ourselves why? There seems to be no answer readily available.<\/p>\n

I guess we would solve a lot of mysteries if we really knew what attacted people<\/p>\n

to each other, wouldn’t we?!?<\/p>\n

Enter FOLLOW for related Message(s).<\/p>\n

FORUM> <\/p>\n

17 6-AUG-19:32: Open Forum
\n RE: More about flowers (Re: Msg 16)
\n From: JOEY To: CABUYS<\/p>\n

Yes, Connie, no truer words were ever spoken. Everyone has their own definition<\/p>\n

of what love is. I think it is different in each case. You “love” for different<\/p>\n

reasons. True, there is nothing like the feeling of being in love. It will
\nalways be one of the unsolved mysteries.<\/p>\n

FORUM> <\/p>\n

18 7-AUG-00:40: General Information
\n RE: Our New Place and the Walls (Re: Msg 3)
\n From: KRANKY To: JOHNMYSELF<\/p>\n

CAN’T SEEM TO GET THE HANG OF THE SYSTEM. HAVE PURCHASED THE MANUEL BUT SEEMS
\nTHERE ARE SO MANY CHANGES IN THE FORMAT THAT I CAN’T KEEP UP WITH THEM, I WILL
\nKEEP TRING BUT I GUESS THAT I’M NOT SMART ENOUGH TO LEARN THIS SYSTEM SO I’LL
\nPERM.SIGN OFF
\nUNTILL I CAN GO TO SCHOOL TO LEARN HOW TO USE THIS SYSTEM AND THEN I’LL TRY TO
\nCOME BACK TO IT. THANKS TO ALL FOR PUTTING UP WITH MY IGNORANCE BUT IT’S THE
\nBEST I CAN DO. BYE BYE<\/p>\n

Enter FOLLOW for related Message(s).<\/p>\n

FORUM> <\/p>\n

19 7-AUG-18:16: General Information
\n RE: Our New Place and the Walls (Re: Msg 18)
\n From: CABUYS To: KRANKY<\/p>\n

Bill, altho I sent you a separate message via DMAIL, I do hope that you will
\nreturn to this sig soon!<\/p>\n

We don’t want anyone to go away frustrated as you seem to be. If it helps any,
\nlet me assure you that we are all in the learning stages of this system.<\/p>\n

Delphi is growing by leaps and bounds. That sometimes means some people don’t
\nget the help they need to keep up with the constant, or rather nearly constant,
\nchanges involved.<\/p>\n

I, and I am sure others such as JohnMyself and Princess and others members of
\nthis sig, will be more than happy to assist you in any way possible to help you
\nlearn the ins and outs of Delphi.<\/p>\n

For starters in the “education” process, the conference Thursday night is on how<\/p>\n

to use the forum. Please do try to be there, won’t you?<\/p>\n

<\/p>\n

-Connie, Sig Manager<\/p>\n

Enter FOLLOW for related Message(s).<\/p>\n

FORUM> <\/p>\n

20 7-AUG-18:22: General Information
\n forwarding forum messages via Dmail
\n From: CABUYS To: ALL<\/p>\n

If you have been reading the messages here in the forum, you will see one from
\nKranky where he’s frustrated over trying to use Delphi.<\/p>\n

When I read that message, I promptly dropped down into DMAIL, using the MAIL
\ncommand at the FORUM> prompt and sent him a message.<\/p>\n

Then I returned to where I was in the FORUM and posted a message in reply to the<\/p>\n

one he left JohnMyself. Since Kranky may not return to this SIG and since I
\nwanted him to be sure to see that particular message, I then read it and used
\nthe FORWARD command at the FORUM> prompt to send him a copy of it via DMAIL.<\/p>\n

Then I returned to FORUM> prompt and posted this message so that you could
\nall have an idea of how flexiable this system really is.<\/p>\n

If *I* can learn it, folks, believe me, *anyone* can learn it! <\/p>\n

Enter FOLLOW for related Message(s).<\/p>\n

FORUM> <\/p>\n

21 7-AUG-19:33: Fantasies
\n RE: Fantasies – What are they? (Re: Msg 5)
\n From: JOEY To: PRINCESS<\/p>\n

Yes, Princess , they are a product of our imagination, they are secret<\/p>\n

wishes and\/or desires. I think most of us want fantasies to come true,<\/p>\n

but, I think if they would, a lot of us would be disappointed. They are<\/p>\n

much more vivid and realistic in our imagination. I don’t think anyone<\/p>\n

should be judged by what our fantasies are. People are different, therefore<\/p>\n

fantasies are different. Fantasies are not a basis for compatability.<\/p>\n

Joe<\/p>\n

Enter FOLLOW for related Message(s).<\/p>\n

FORUM> <\/p>\n

22 7-AUG-21:08: General Information
\n Challenge
\n From: CABUYS To: STUART<\/p>\n

Hi Stuart!<\/p>\n

I’m sure you will agree that an attorney needs to have a very bright,
\ninquisitive mind. Yet I’ve heard that you are having problems figuring out how
\nthis forum works.<\/p>\n

Well, friend, don’t feel alone. You’re in the best of company.<\/p>\n

However, I *challenge* you to tackle this with the gusto I know is within you
\nand to contribute as much to this forum and sig as you feel comfortable doing
\nso! <\/p>\n

Do you accept my challenge?<\/p>\n

-Connie<\/p>\n

FORUM> <\/p>\n

23 7-AUG-23:54: General Information
\n RE: forwarding forum messages via Dmail (Re: Msg 20)
\n From: PETEVO To: CABUYS<\/p>\n

WELL, I BELIEVE THAT IS EASY TO LEARN AND COPE WITH, BUT THAT LAST EXPLANANTION
\nLEFT ME GUESSING. ONE OF THE KEYS TO DOING THIS IS BETTER RESPONSE TIME. I HOPE<\/p>\n

THE NEW COMPUTER IS ADDED SOON!!<\/p>\n

Enter FOLLOW for related Message(s).<\/p>\n

FORUM> <\/p>\n

24 8-AUG-17:15: General Information
\n RE: forwarding forum messages via Dmail (Re: Msg 23)
\n From: CABUYS To: PETEVO<\/p>\n

Response time is one of the biggest problems right now and Delphi is working on
\nit.<\/p>\n

Back when this new software was first installed and there were not so many users<\/p>\n

on line, those of us who did some testing found that it worked very fast.<\/p>\n

Perhaps one day soon, it will again?!?!<\/p>\n

Anyway, you said “that last explanation left you guessing”. Was there something<\/p>\n

I said that confused you? (I have a terrible tendency to get too wordy when
\ntrying to explain something in writing which often leads to confusion for all so<\/p>\n

if that’s the case, yell at me to slow up and say again in English! <\/p>\n

-Connie<\/p>\n

Enter FOLLOW for related Message(s).<\/p>\n

FORUM> <\/p>\n

25 9-AUG-21:41: General Information
\n RE: Challenge (Re: Msg 5389)
\n From: STUART To: CABUYS<\/p>\n

Dear Connie
\nThe answer to your question is not an easy one. I appreciate your kind
\nthoughts,andunderstanding.
\nI have always accepted challenges in life, be it law school,marathons,or new
\nevents in my life.Priority and time always play a part.
\nThe answer at this time is that I’m not sure if and what I can contribute.
\nI have the New york marathon in 2 months and its demands besides the trials and
\nother relationships which take up extreme amounts of pleasurable time.My
\nthoughts are with you on the sig,but also on the above.<\/p>\n

Stu<\/p>\n

FORUM> <\/p>\n

26 10-AUG 00:19 General Information
\n RE: forwarding forum messages via Dmail (Re: Msg 24)
\n From: PETEVO To: CABUYS<\/p>\n

THANKS FOR YOUR CONCERN, CONNIE. I DON’T HAVE ANY SPECIFIC PROBLEMS WITH USING
\nTHESE FACILITIES. IN GF
\nFACT, I THINK THEY’RE PRETTY GOOD. I THINK A STERN WARNING TO SLOW DOWN AND KEEP<\/p>\n

IT IN ENGLISH WILL SUFFICE. NO NEED TO YELL AND WAKE THE NEIGHBORHOOD !<\/p>\n

-PETE<\/p>\n

FORUM> <\/p>\n

27 10-AUG 00:29 Open Forum
\n VOICE IN THE WILDERNESS
\n From: PETEVO To: ANYONE (NR)<\/p>\n

IS ANYONE OUT THERE?<\/p>\n

I AM ON DELPHI A COUPLE OF TIMES DURING THE WEEK. FOR THE LAST TWO WEEKS,
\nTHERE’S ONLY BEEN ONE OTHER CIRCLE MEMBER ON.<\/p>\n

ARE THERE OTHER MEMBERS OUT THERE THAT ARE SOMETIMES ON DURING THE WEEK? I
\nCOULD PROBABLY DETERMINE THE POPULATION OF THE GROUP BY THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE ON
\nAT ANY GIVEN MINUTE USING SEVERAL SAMPLES. . .<\/p>\n

BUT I AM GENERALLY ACCUSED OF BEING TOO ANALYLTICAL.<\/p>\n

Enter FOLLOW for related Message(s).<\/p>\n

FORUM> <\/p>\n

28 10-AUG 19:52 Open Forum
\n RE: VOICE IN THE WILDERNESS (Re: Msg 27)
\n From: PRINCESS To: PETEVO<\/p>\n

I am on as well Pete, but not on co much … we are slowly but surely learning
\nthe new system, and time is always a matter of concern here … hope we can get more people
\nactive here but not sure how we will do so, if you have any suggestions …
\nPLEASE leave them … am trying to come up with topics and questions of interest<\/p>\n

… also to dispell the image that this sig is only concerned with Sex – as in
\ncompusex or otherwise – and forgetting the relationships part. We want to
\nattract members who are able to give of themselves for themselve and others …
\nto help both<\/p>\n

oh well, enough ramblings<\/p>\n

we are here …<\/p>\n

Princess aka Peggy<\/p>\n

Enter FOLLOW for related Message(s).<\/p>\n

FORUM> <\/p>\n

29 12-AUG 22:07 Open Forum
\n RE: VOICE IN THE WILDERNESS (Re: Msg 28)
\n From: PETEVO To: PRINCESS<\/p>\n

THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TO REPLY. I AM GLAD I AM NOT THE ONLY ONE IN THE
\nFOREST.<\/p>\n

I AM ALWAYS HAPPY TO MAKE NEW FRIENDS, AND AM WILLING TO GIVE OF MYSELF TO HELP
\nOTHERS.<\/p>\n

HOPE YOU GET ENOUGH FREE TIME TO ENJOY YOURSELF.<\/p>\n

PETE<\/p>\n

Enter FOLLOW for related Message(s).<\/p>\n

FORUM>
\n30 23-AUG 02:31 Fantasies
\n RE: Fantasies – What are they? (Re: Msg 21)
\n From: TIGLON To: JOEY<\/p>\n

Joey,<\/p>\n

Fantasies are also very heathy for whithout them, we would stagnate wouldn’t you<\/p>\n

think?<\/p>\n

Gayle<\/p>\n

Enter FOLLOW for related Message(s).<\/p>\n

FORUM> <\/p>\n

33 23-AUG 02:48 Close Encounters
\n This SSIG
\n From: TIGLON To: ALL<\/p>\n

It is true in every ‘groupp’ using the term of “relationship” someone always
\njumpes ps to conclusions and assumes the ‘compusexx approach to handindling a
\nSIG.<\/p>\n

Things happen like that on other syystems and BBS’s, but it doesn’t have to
\nhappen here.<\/p>\n

Sex is wonderful, but I think it needs to fit into a relationship. Without it,
\nwhy would we bother witho someone when we could probabluy satisfy ourselves?<\/p>\n

Oh well…<\/p>\n

Gayle<\/p>\n

FORUM> <\/p>\n

36 23-AUG 22:30 Fantasies
\n RE: Fantasies – What are they? (Re: Msg 30)
\n From: JOEY To: TIGLON<\/p>\n

Gayle,<\/p>\n

Yes, we probably would stagnate. It is like the man who had enough money<\/p>\n

where he could buy anything he wanted. He was very unhappypy because he had<\/p>\n

no desires. I think if peopl someone ever stopped desiring experiences and\/or<\/p>\n

situations, they would surely stagnate and be of no use to anyone.<\/p>\n

Joe<\/p>\n

Enter FOLLOW for related Message(s).<\/p>\n

FORUM> <\/p>\n

37 23-AUG 23:30 Fantasies
\n RE: Fantasies – What are they? (Re: Msg 36)
\n From: TIGLON To: JOEY<\/p>\n

Joe,<\/p>\n

Yes see I am not totally mysterious am I?<\/p>\n

I also agree with what you said. Without desires we have nothing to look forward<\/p>\n

to or nothing to strive for.<\/p>\n

I will fill out the profile after a while ok?<\/p>\n

Gayle<\/p>\n

Enter FOLLOW for related Message(s).<\/p>\n

FORUM> <\/p>\n

38 24-AUG 18:35 Noteworthy News
\n Link-Up Magazine
\n From: CABUYS To: ALL<\/p>\n

In the July\/August 1985 issue of Link-Up Magazine, there is an article titled
\n“Dipping into Delphi” by Elizabeth M. Ferrarini.<\/p>\n

She tells of the origin of Delphi, what it has to offer and talks of the games
\nand conferencing facilities. She even mentioned Delphi’s old SIGs and I quote:<\/p>\n

“If you look hard enough, you might see the remains of Delphi’s first SIGs.
\nConnie A. Buys’ Circle of Friends is a group of subscribers who discuss lusting
\nelectronically. If you’re having trouble with the real thing, you can try Ron
\nMazur’s American Sexology.”<\/p>\n

Generally, her article presented a rather poor impression of Delphi. I have to
\ngive her credit, tho. She did something very few people do – she got my name
\nspelled correctly! Too bad she got the old SIG name wrong!<\/p>\n

And as for this “lusting electronically”, I’ve been looking all over for it! Can<\/p>\n

anyone tell me where it’s hiding???? <\/p>\n

Enter FOLLOW for related Message(s).<\/p>\n

FORUM> <\/p>\n

39 24-AUG 21:36 Noteworthy News
\n RE: Link-Up Magazine (Re: Msg 38)
\n From: JOEY To: CABUYS<\/p>\n

Connie,<\/p>\n

Elizabeth Ferrarini also wrote a book titled “Confessions of an Infomaniac”. It
\nis a hilarious account of her first computer, modem, etc and mostly about her
\nexperiences on cis. It is worth reading. Joe<\/p>\n

Enter FOLLOW for related Message(s).<\/p>\n

FORUM> <\/p>\n

40 24-AUG 22:07 Noteworthy News
\n RE: Link-Up Magazine (Re: Msg 38)
\n From: PETEVO To: CABUYS<\/p>\n

SORRY TO HEAR THAT THE ARTICLE PRESENTED A POOR IMPRESSION. I HOPE YOU WEREN’T
\nTOO DISAPPOINTED. BUT I THINK YOU DID HIT THE PERTINENT POINTS:
\nYOUR NAME WAS SPELLED CORRECTLY!! I KNOW WHAT THATS LIKE. YOU’D THINK VAN
\nOPENS WAS EASY TO SPELL, BUT YOU SHOULD SEE THE VARIATIONS. ISN’T ELECTRONIC
\nLUST LIKE YOUR MODEM HUNGERING TO BE CLOSER TO YOUR PRINTER INTERFACE CARD? I
\nPREFER CONVENTIONAL LUST! . HAVE A GOOD ONE, CONNIE.<\/p>\n

PETE<\/p>\n

Enter FOLLOW for related Message(s).<\/p>\n

FORUM> <\/p>\n

41 25-AUG 03:06 General Information
\n RE: Our New Place and the Walls (Re: Msg 18)
\n From: LOUSCHNEIDER To: KRANKY<\/p>\n

Check out the HELP files in * in Flagship Commomodore on the GROUPS menu. They
\nhave some excellent documentation o n the various forum and CO commands. Or
\nmaybe wi we could get the SYSOPS to post some of them here? -Lou<\/p>\n

Enter FOLLOW for related Message(s).<\/p>\n

FORUM> <\/p>\n

42 25-AUG 03:11 Noteworthy News
\n RE: Link-Up Magazine (Re: Msg 38)
\n From: TIGLON To: ALL<\/p>\n

Oh yes….electronic lust<\/p>\n

Few have it Few never had it Few cant find it Most cant handle it<\/p>\n

Hehehe I have found some of the most interesting and wonderful people online
\nthat i have ever met in person.<\/p>\n

Funny…maybe people are most open on a CRT than in the bar at Brother Oliver’s
\nhuh<\/p>\n

Tiggy<\/p>\n

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43 25-AUG 10:13 General Information
\n RE: Our New Place and the Walls (Re: Msg 41)
\n From: CABUYS To: LOUSCHNEIDER<\/p>\n

We have posted many of the HELP files from *Flagship Commodore*, thanks to Deb’s<\/p>\n

offer of them via Insider’s SIG.<\/p>\n

But if there are any we overlooked that you think would be helpful to our
\nmembers here, please shout loudly about ’em so I can hear you! <\/p>\n

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44 25-AUG 19:33 Noteworthy News
\n RE: Link-Up Magazine (Re: Msg 42)
\n From: JOEY To: TIGLON<\/p>\n

Electronic lust is ok, but I prefer the real thing.
\nBIG GRIN Joe<\/p>\n

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45 25-AUG 20:04 Noteworthy News
\n RE: Link-Up Magazine (Re: Msg 44)
\n From: TIGLON To: JOEY<\/p>\n

Joe,<\/p>\n

The real thing is wonderful, but I have to admit, the computer is a better place<\/p>\n

to meet someone than our local single bar or the local motel (hehehe)<\/p>\n

And some of the best frenchmen are scattered all over the place….so most don’t<\/p>\n

cometo Sacramento much<\/p>\n

(ha) Gayle<\/p>\n

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46 26-AUG 18:12 Fantasies
\n RE: Fantasies – What are they? (Re: Msg 30)
\n From: PRINCESS To: TIGLON<\/p>\n

agree that we would stagnate without fantasies .. and dreams they are what make
\nlife worthwhile Peggy<\/p>\n

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47 26-AUG 19:28 Fantasies
\n RE: Fantasies – What are they? (Re: Msg 46)
\n From: DAVIDBR To: PRINCESS<\/p>\n

FANTASIES ARE THOSE THINGS THAT ALLOW US TO BRE BREAK THE EVERYDAY TEDIUM OF
\nLIFE,ADDING COLOR TO EVERYDAY SAMENESS. DREAMS ARETHO THOSE THINGS THAT ONE
\nHOLDS DEAR.OUACHINGOUR ULTIMATE GOALS.THERE IS NO POWER IN THE UNIVERSE GREATER<\/p>\n

THAN HOPE,& A PERSON’S DREAMS SHOULD EC ULD EXCEED THEIR REACH, OTHERWISE WHAT<\/p>\n

IS HEAVEN FOR?<\/p>\n

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49 26-AUG 21:55 Fantasies
\n B&D
\n From: JOHNP To: ALL<\/p>\n

Is anyone here into B&D, either with actual experiences or thru fantasies or
\nconversations?<\/p>\n

Maybe we could begin an interesting coversation.<\/p>\n

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50 29-AUG 18:08 Noteworthy News
\n A Kiss
\n From: CABUYS To: ALL<\/p>\n

This quote is from the September, 1985, issue of Cosmopolitan magazine:<\/p>\n

“The act of kissing may transmit a special chemical substance that induces love,<\/p>\n

according to a report in the ‘British Journal of Dermatology.’ Sebum, a
\nsebaceous gland secretion transferred between partners as they kiss, seems to
\nstimulate bonding behavior. Sebaceous glands are found in highly kissable
\nareas: neck, face, lips and female nipples.”<\/p>\n

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51 29-AUG 19:18 Noteworthy News
\n RE: A Kiss (Re: Msg 50)
\n From: JOEY To: CABUYS<\/p>\n

Hmmm, thanks Connie. Now I know the areas where I need to concentrate.(smile)<\/p>\n

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52 29-AUG 22:00 Noteworthy News
\n RE: A Kiss (Re: Msg 51)
\n From: CABUYS To: JOEY<\/p>\n

Joey, if you had to choose only *one* area, which would it be?<\/p>\n

(I’d like to see everyone answer that question!) <\/p>\n

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53 30-AUG 07:49 Noteworthy News
\n RE: A Kiss (Re: Msg 52)
\n From: JOEY To: CABUYS<\/p>\n

Connie : The Face.<\/p>\n

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54 30-AUG 21:18 Fantasies
\n RE: Fantasies – What are they? (Re: Msg 5)
\n From: POPE To: PRINCESS<\/p>\n

Fantasies are the way that we reward ourselves for the nice things we feel about<\/p>\n

who we are, and what we are capable of. When people fantacize they are
\ndescribing to themselves good things that they feel that they should have or
\ndesr serve to have… Through fantacy, a person becomes in touch with their
\ndeepest needs they learn about what they would like to recieve, and hopefuly
\ndescover within themselves how nice it is to give…Personally, if
\nI had not discovered how nice it is to recieve certain types of sexual
\nstimulation through imagination, I would never have learned to give my best
\nduring sexual encounters. I my early years much of my success as a sexual
\npartner came fr om the self confidence I built through fantacy and imagination,
\nand imagination is so important in an active and successful sex life….<\/p>\n

John Paul<\/p>\n

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55 30-AUG 22:16 Noteworthy News
\n RE: A Kiss (Re: Msg 51)
\n From: TIGLON To: JOEY<\/p>\n

Who are you going to concentrate on huh?<\/p>\n

Tiggy<\/p>\n

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56 30-AUG 22:17 Noteworthy News
\n RE: A Kiss (Re: Msg 52)
\n From: TIGLON To: CABUYS<\/p>\n

Connie,<\/p>\n

I love the neck on my men….ok?<\/p>\n

Tiggy (so what is your answer?)<\/p>\n

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57 31-AUG 10:18 Noteworthy News
\n RE: A Kiss (Re: Msg 56)
\n From: CABUYS To: TIGLON<\/p>\n

I love the neck, too, from just a little below and behind the ear, down to the
\nshoulder, across the front to almost the center. Then there’s a small but very
\nsensitive place on the side of the face, below the cheek but more towards the
\near that I simply *LOVE* to kiss! <\/p>\n

I love to be kissed on the back of the neck over to just below the ear. This is
\nthe quickest most pleasurable way to turn me on! Tho I have a tendency, once my
\nlover starts doing that, not to want him to stop <\/p>\n

58 31-AUG 18:47 Noteworthy News
\n RE: A Kiss (Re: Msg 57)
\n From: TIGLON To: CABUYS<\/p>\n

Connie,<\/p>\n

Who IS this guy? Do you have a phone number? (kidding)<\/p>\n

Anyway…that seems to be one of the places that turns me on…I still am
\nwaiting to find a few more…(grin)<\/p>\n

Tiggy<\/p>\n

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59 31-AUG 20:20 Noteworthy News
\n RE: A Kiss (Re: Msg 58)
\n From: CABUYS To: TIGLON<\/p>\n

Believe it or not, this guy really exists! And he’s a member of this sig.<\/p>\n

Since I met him, he’s taken me on quite an adventurous journey of learning about<\/p>\n

myself – about what turns me on, about feelings and sensations I never knew
\ncould exist! I’ve never in my life had anyone so loving, so caring, so
\nsensitive, who treats me as tho I’m the most important person in his life.<\/p>\n

Before this particular person entered my life, I met someone else who I still
\nsee as often as financially possible. That person is so very special to me too
\nand he is the one, who, after my divorce, made me feel like a wonderful, loving
\nperson who could be loved. This was after 15 years in a marriage where things
\nwent from bad to worse, where feelings were buried as far as possible deep
\ninside because they were simply *not allowed.*<\/p>\n

Oh well. Enough of my story. I hope that by sharing as much as I possibly can
\nwith others here, they in turn will open up.<\/p>\n

We are all human with very similar experiences and often it’s wonderful to know
\nsomeone out there feels like we do!<\/p>\n

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60 31-AUG 20:30 Noteworthy News
\n RE: A Kiss (Re: Msg 59)
\n From: TIGLON To: CABUYS<\/p>\n

Connie,<\/p>\n

I loved your message..in fact I got to read it twice before I hit the no on the
\nmore? hehe<\/p>\n

Anway..yea I have met a few people on this system that I have grown quite fond
\nof..and one in particular that I just recently met…..he is so sweet and
\nwonderful and caring…which is easy to see even over a computer terminal.<\/p>\n

He lives a ways away, but things will come together sooner or later.. more
\nsooner than later tho..hhhe<\/p>\n

I’ll let you know what h
\nappens, and then we can compare notes! (big grin)<\/p>\n

See ya in CO tonight!<\/p>\n

Tiggy<\/p>\n

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\n61 31-AUG 20:57 Noteworthy News
\n RE: A Kiss (Re: Msg 60)
\n From: CABUYS To: TIGLON<\/p>\n

Gayle,<\/p>\n

I wish you both the best of happiness and hope that you do get a chance to meet
\nsoon!<\/p>\n

Isn’t comparing notes always fun? <\/p>\n

-Connie<\/p>\n

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62 1-SEP-20:31: Noteworthy News
\n RE: A Kiss (Re: Msg 52)
\n From: JOHNMYSELF To: CABUYS<\/p>\n

I generally start with the face and lips. from there, the whole body is open
\nterritory.<\/p>\n

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63 2-SEP-02:15: Poetry
\n I’m glad we talked..
\n From: TIGLON To: JOEY<\/p>\n

Joe,<\/p>\n

I am glad you told me about your poems earlier..I am off to read them now..<\/p>\n

I’ll let you now if I ever get inspired to write one..I’m trying to get inspired<\/p>\n

now to write an article…and it isn’t working … sigh<\/p>\n

Take care hon! Tiggy<\/p>\n

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64 2-SEP-03:57: Noteworthy News
\n KISSES
\n From: RODM To: CABUYS<\/p>\n

I am uncertain of the use of the forum but would like to comment on ‘A Kiss<\/p>\n

A kiss can be anything from a from of greeting to a ‘feverish’ expression of
\npassion.<\/p>\n

Greeting – usually a light kiss or even just a ‘peck’ on the lips, cheek, or
\nforehead<\/p>\n

Caring – a light but slightly sustained kiss to the lips, cheek, or even to
\nthe eyelids followed by a kiss to the forehead<\/p>\n

Loving – this is the first of the more ‘serious’ kisses and one where an
\nawareness of the response of the person being kissed becomes an
\nimportant factor.<\/p>\n

the loving kiss is a kiss to the lips and hopefully while in each
\nothers arms.<\/p>\n

this kiss is often the prelude to more passionate kisses but at this
\npoint the kiss is metered by the response of your partner as to the
\nlength and intensity of the kisses.<\/p>\n

Passion – now comes a time of passionate exchanges where the two partners or
\nlovers are in fact conveying strong messages of passion in an unbroken
\nexchange of kisses.<\/p>\n

the passion kiss may take several forms or levels of intensity varying
\na simple but strong ‘closed mouth’ to a ‘lip kiss’ where the upper or lower lip
\nis kissed seperately, to a consuming ‘open mouth’ or
\n‘french’ kiss.<\/p>\n

the main characteristic is the sustained exchange of passion between
\nand on the part of both partners.<\/p>\n

Love Making – the love making kiss can only be described or limited by the
\nthoughts,
\nmemories, or imaginations of two lovers for this is a kiss made as
\na part of ‘unleashed’ passion one that is in no way limited to any
\nparticular duration, intensity, or location.<\/p>\n

the love making kiss begins at the mouth where the passion kiss<\/p>\n

seems to need further response or passion and a break in the kiss is
\nimmediately followed by rapid short kisses to the lips, cheeks, forehead, then
\nmoving to the neck where the pace is slowed but the intensity increased and
\nmoving to the base and back of the neck and moving occassionally to the side of
\nthe neck and to the bottom tip of the earlobe as well.<\/p>\n

as the responses increase I move to the shoulder, the front of the neck,
\ncleavage, breasts, nipples etc.<\/p>\n

Obviously at this point the kiss has become a part of the actual ‘Love Making’
\nand most probably the begining of ‘the ultimate kiss’<\/p>\n

I used first person descriptions of the love making kiss because I dare not
\ndefine such a personal and passionate thing for anyone other than how I
\npersonally perceive it.<\/p>\n

I often have trouble communicating and if this is uncertain or not clear I would<\/p>\n

be glad to clarify it for you !!!<\/p>\n

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65 2-SEP-07:25: Noteworthy News
\n RE: A Kiss (Re: Msg 64)
\n From: CABUYS To: RODM<\/p>\n

One comment for now: You obviously don’t have as much trouble communicating as
\nyour last line would indicate!<\/p>\n

I’ll be back later with more comments about the rest of your message!<\/p>\n

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66 2-SEP-07:27: Poetry
\n RE: I’m glad we talked.. (Re: Msg 63)
\n From: CABUYS To: TIGLON<\/p>\n

What is the subject of your article? Perhaps we can inspire you in some way….
\nif it’s sig-related! <\/p>\n

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67 2-SEP-16:36: Poetry
\n RE: I’m glad we talked.. (Re: Msg 66)
\n From: TIGLON To: CABUYS<\/p>\n

Connie,<\/p>\n

Well this article is stuck in third gear with a title of ‘Medical Computerized
\nStudies…’ boring huh?<\/p>\n

Yes that is what I think..<\/p>\n

But if you have an idea or several, I always have an outlet for the selling and
\nsuch!<\/p>\n

Tiggy<\/p>\n

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68 2-SEP-21:05: Noteworthy News
\n RE: A Kiss (Re: Msg 61)
\n From: RODM To: TIGLON<\/p>\n

Dear Tiggy,<\/p>\n

I hope you don’t mind me dropping my two cents worth in \n

It sound like you may be about to find a whole extension of LIVING and I hope it<\/p>\n

is that for you.<\/p>\n

I can tell you that it is possible to find an unimagined beauty of living just
\nthe other side of that screen.<\/p>\n

Good luck and a wish for more of life and afterall AIN’T
\nLIFE GREAT !!!<\/p>\n

Rodm<\/p>\n

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69 3-SEP-02:59: Noteworthy News
\n RE: A Kiss (Re: Msg 68)
\n From: TIGLON To: RODM<\/p>\n

Rodm,<\/p>\n

Yes, I I know all about the life on the other sideof the screen.. and what I
\ndont know..I have a good teacher!<\/p>\n

See ya!<\/p>\n

Tiggy<\/p>\n

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71 5-SEP-19:11: General Information
\n This Sig & Sharing
\n From: CABUYS To: ALL<\/p>\n

One the purposes of this sig is to learn to share your thoughts and feelings
\nabout relationships with other adults who are interested.<\/p>\n

I’ve posted some messages in the forum tonight in an effort to get some of this
\nsharing going. Please read and respond to as many of them as you feel
\ncomfortable in doing so. You never know but that someone might read something
\nyou’ve written that will be of help to them and if you didn’t post your thoughts<\/p>\n

in the forum, that would be a loss! Please share! Thank you.<\/p>\n

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72 5-SEP-19:13: Open Forum
\n ‘old married folks’
\n From: CABUYS To: ALL<\/p>\n

Recently I was discussing sexual relationships with a friend of mine. He made
\nthe comment during this discussion that it is very easy in a sexual relationship<\/p>\n

to start acting like “old married folks.”<\/p>\n

When such a relationship is just beginning, there is an eagerness to seek out
\nwhat is exciting or to explore each other to learn as much as you can about the
\nother person. This can run at quite a fevered pitch for some time!<\/p>\n

But over time (which can be weeks or months), the desire to do this can
\ngradually diminish or cease entirely. Usually at the point where it ceases, the<\/p>\n

relationship is very likely to end.<\/p>\n

How can you keep that special excitement in a relationship? What things do you
\ndo now to make that person feel special and
\nto keep his\/her interest alive?<\/p>\n

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73 5-SEP-19:14: Open Forum
\n Working on Relationships
\n From: CABUYS To: ALL<\/p>\n

Until a few years ago, I was very unaware that a good relationship requires a
\nlot of work to be successful!<\/p>\n

And it requires that all parties involved participate! This was very much
\nopposed to the way my parents taught me as I grew up.<\/p>\n

Do you feel that the majority of people in this country work on their
\nrelationships? Do you, yourself, consciously work on your relationships or do
\nyou just let them happen? If you are aware that you
\n work on them, in what ways
\ndo you do so?<\/p>\n

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\n74 5-SEP-19:15: Open Forum
\n Complete Honesty
\n From: CABUYS To: ALL<\/p>\n

Do you feel that complete honesty helps or hinders a relationship?<\/p>\n

For instance, my lover and I are frequently asking each other “what are you
\nthinking or feeling right now?” We’ve made a promise to each other not to hold
\nback even if pain might result. I would always prefer to know what’s going on
\nwith him than to imagine something that isn’t <\/p>\n

Sometimes this pain does happen. When that occurs, the only thing we can do is
\nhelp each other thru it, by holding on to each other, and talking and sometimes
\neven crying together.<\/p>\n

We both feel that our relationship has become stronger and better because of our<\/p>\n

agreement.<\/p>\n

What do you think of total honesty in a relationship?<\/p>\n

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75 5-SEP-19:16: Open Forum
\n Infidelity
\n From: CABUYS To: ALL<\/p>\n

Infidelity is defined by Webster as “disloyalty; unfaithfulness, especially in a<\/p>\n

husband or wife.”<\/p>\n

In this age of computer telecommunications, many people are finding themselves
\ninvolved ‘sexually’ (in the form of “compusex” or “hot chats”) with someone on
\nline .<\/p>\n

If one or both parties involved in an on-line relationship happen to also be
\nmarried or otherwise committed to another off-line, is there infidelity
\ninvolved? If so, why?<\/p>\n

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76 5-SEP-19:27: Play Ground
\n Sexual Trivia
\n From: CABUYS To: ALL<\/p>\n

If you have any of these items, please leave a reply to this message as soon as
\npossible:<\/p>\n

Sexual Trivia
\nSexual Trivia II
\nLove, Sex, & Romance Trivia Card Set by Axlon Games
\nIllustrated Sexual Trivia by Rick Detorie published by RGA Publishing Group.<\/p>\n

Thank you.<\/p>\n

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77 5-SEP-19:30: Play Ground
\n RE: Sexual Trivia (Re: Msg 76)
\n From: CABUYS To: ALL<\/p>\n

Believe me! I’m not all that much into sexual trivia, but I have played the game<\/p>\n

and found it lots of fun (after I got over being nervous and embarassed!) In
\nfact, I think I even won one game, if my memory is correct! <\/p>\n

We are contemplating some ideas for the sig involving some or all of these items<\/p>\n

and need to know just how “available” they are to sig members.<\/p>\n

Please do take the few minutes involved to reply to this!<\/p>\n

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78 5-SEP-20:11: Open Forum
\n RE: Complete Honesty (Re: Msg 74)
\n From: KRANKY To: CABUYS<\/p>\n

EVERYTHING SHOULD BE IN MODERATION. YOU CAN’T GENERALIZE FOR ALL SITUATIONS.
\nTAKE EACH ONE AS AN INSTANCE AND SEE IF ALL OUT HONESTY IS THE CORRECT THING TO
\nDO IT DOESN’T ALLWAYS WORK<\/p>\n

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79 6-SEP-00:14: Open Forum
\n RE: ‘old married folks’ (Re: Msg 72)
\n From: RODM To: CABUYS<\/p>\n

The “old married folks” attitude occurs when either or both partners in a
\nrelationship PRESUMES instead of ASSUMES the feelings , wants , or desires of
\nthe other and sometimes quits trying to “win” the affection of the other<\/p>\n

I guess the preventing of this is part of the working, efforts, and habits
\nusually necessary to keep a relationship “alive”.<\/p>\n

The two things I think of that I TRY to do to keep love and warmth in a
\nrelationship is (1) evaluate what I do or say to make sure that it is motivated
\nby or at least NEVER in contridiction of my love for that person and the desire
\nfor the good and happiness of that person and then (2) a “novelity” of mine is
\nto make sure that whenever possible that I do something or say something that
\ntotally and pleasantly surprises the other person as perhaps show a new or
\ndeeper “glimpse” at the loving side of me or my love of that person. I TRY to do<\/p>\n

this often enough enough as to cause the other person to never know what to
\nexpect but just infrequently enough that something is not always expected. <\/p>\n

This is only a part of what is NECESSARY to ensure length and happiness of
\nloving relationship but after all isn’t a true and loving relationship worth
\nWHATEVER it takes. Where else can one find such beauty in life at such a bargin
\nprice!<\/p>\n

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80 6-SEP-00:22: Open Forum
\n RE: Complete Honesty (Re: Msg 74)
\n From: TIGLON To: ALL<\/p>\n

I have a dear friend of mine back east and we are ther close enough to need the
\nsense of honesty in our relationship to the point of asking the same question
\nthat Connie and her lover do….even thought *we* aren’t lovers….<\/p>\n

When this question comes up and we both usually answer honestly. I know I do,
\nand I trust him enough to know he does also. We both have been hurt or upset.<\/p>\n

but we always talk it out and everything always works out. Anything is better
\nthan wondering and *NOT* knowing for sure if something you said or didd was
\nwrong or misplaced.<\/p>\n

I hope this helps somewhere or someone!<\/p>\n

Tiggy<\/p>\n

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81 6-SEP-02:43: Open Forum
\n RE: Working on Relationships (Re: Msg 73)
\n From: JOEY To: CABUYS<\/p>\n

Connie,<\/p>\n

I think most people take relationships and the person in it for granted after
\nawhile. No, they don’t “work” on them. I think after some people get into a
\nrealtionship, they feel they “have” the other person and then they can be
\nthemselves. It doesn’t work folks. The other person got involved with you on
\ntheir impression of you and what they were looking for in a lover or friend. If
\nthat changes drastically, which happens often, and I think men change more often<\/p>\n

than women, then the other person puts distance between you and withdraws. Can
\nyou blame them? Yes, I work on my relationships. If the other person was
\nworthwhile to persue before, why not keep persuing? How many couples do you know<\/p>\n

where the man sent her flowers and candy before the marriage or the consumate
\nrelationship, and then afterwards, she did good to get any recognition at all
\nfrom him, or vice versa. You get what you put into it.<\/p>\n

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82 6-SEP-12:41: Open Forum
\n RE: Infidelity (Re: Msg 75)
\n From: FSF To: CABUYS<\/p>\n

Regarding message\/question #75 on infidelity, my opinion is that NO, the
\nfidelity aspect of your “real” relationship with a spouse is not compromised. I
\nfeel that a “hot chat” can be likened to nothing more than reading a sexually
\noriented magazine that can arouse you. Though I admit the conversation is
\n“live” and very stimulating, in many ways this can enhance the real relationship<\/p>\n

that you have with your lover, and parts of a “hot chat” are used to advantage
\nwhen it comes to the “imagination” aspect of a relationship, which is generally
\nagreed to act as in a mostly positive way on a relationship. Comments on my
\nviewpoint are sincerely appreciated by any members of the SIG.<\/p>\n

Dan<\/p>\n

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83 6-SEP-18:13: Noteworthy News
\n Dr Ruth’s Good Sex Game
\n From: CABUYS To: ALL<\/p>\n

Quote from the Sept. 7-13 issue of TV Guide magazine:<\/p>\n

“In her distinctive-and often explicit-style, Dr. Ruth Westheimer has counseled
\non sexuality in books, on radio and on her Lifetime TV series. Now, she’s come
\nup with an informative, question-and-answer board game – Dr. Ruth’s Game of Good<\/p>\n

Sex (for two to four couples).<\/p>\n

Why a game? ‘We have all this scientifically validated data. If it’s only in
\nuniversities, it isn’t helping anyone,’ she says. ‘If a game can provide some
\ninteraction between a couple, some thought-provoking information, it’s good.
\nThere’s a need in society for this kind of information.’<\/p>\n

Well, it does sound like it would be more fun than Trivial Pursuit. We just
\nwonder what you have to do to win.”<\/p>\n

FORUM> <\/p>\n

84 6-SEP-19:22: Open Forum
\n RE: Complete Honesty (Re: Msg 74)
\n From: JOHNP To: CABUYS<\/p>\n

Honesty, I believe, is always a good thing.<\/p>\n

However, sometimes not saying something is better then telling the absolute
\ntruth. For example, say that you are engaging in a sexual encounter, and for
\nsome reason you have a short image of someone else, and that image really turns
\nyou on. Is it necessary to explain to your lover that you were, in part, turned<\/p>\n

on by thinking of someone\/something else?<\/p>\n

Of course not. That serves only to hurt your partner, and serves no useful
\npurpose. Discretion, at times, is the better part of valor.<\/p>\n

Enter FOLLOW for related Message(s).<\/p>\n

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85 6-SEP-19:48: Open Forum
\n RE: ‘old married folks’ (Re: Msg 72)
\n From: TJH To: ALL<\/p>\n

Re ‘the old married folks’ syndrome:<\/p>\n

I think that the reason that special excitement might diminish is because
\noftentimes there may be nothing but sex in the relationship. If you take the
\ntime and effort to choose a partner who not only excites you physically but is
\nalso one who appeals to you in other ways (intellectually, personality-wise,
\netc.) that you will find new and exciting things to do together that do not
\nnecessarily involve sex. I’m not trying to downplay sex, I’m just saying that a<\/p>\n

large part of sexual excitement derives from the fact that you’re sharing
\nsomething intimate with someone who you value on many different levels , someone<\/p>\n

whom you admire and respect.<\/p>\n

Enter FOLLOW for related Message(s).<\/p>\n

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86 6-SEP-21:29: Open Forum
\n RE: ‘old married folks’ (Re: Msg 72)
\n From: JOHNMYSELF To: CABUYS<\/p>\n

In a way, it is good to let the ‘fever’ die down. All to often though, we tend
\nto take each other for granted which is a prime cause of ‘loss of interest’. We<\/p>\n

tend to feel that the other party will always be there and we actually get
\n‘lazy’ as far as the over all relationship runs.<\/p>\n

Over time, all relationships will change and it is the way of things that some
\nof those will end while others continue in various states.<\/p>\n

However, it need not necessarily lack excitement or interest if you attend to
\nsome fairly simple facts.<\/p>\n

Everyone needs to feel needed, wanted, or somehow special and just your still
\nbeing there isn’t enough assurance that you still need that person. You must
\nexpress yourself in that regard. That turns out to be a fairly simple task. A
\ncard, or letter, (so what – you live together), the words ‘I Love You’ (not too
\nrarely or too often), and a little thoughtful ‘unpredictability’ can do wonders.<\/p>\n

Also, try to re receptive to mood and attitude changes. With practice, you can
\nlearn what your partner’s moods mean (maybe not exactly – but close enough) and
\nalso learn to respond appropriately.<\/p>\n

Some things I do include not doing. I let my wife\/lover (she is both) have
\nneeded privacy rather than insist I have her attention. Common sense you say?
\nSure, but how often we forget! Sometimes, just holding her when I sense distress<\/p>\n

over some personal problem. Giving her room to be herself even when I may be
\nupset by things she might do. These all show her I care.<\/p>\n

As for my lover, well, I try to be there when she needs someone to listen or
\njust to talk to. Time, distance, and money all prevent us brom being together
\nin person. Still, she knows that I am there should she need me.<\/p>\n

<\/p>\n

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87 6-SEP-21:34: Open Forum
\n RE: Working on Relationships (Re: Msg 73)
\n From: JOHNMYSELF To: CABUYS<\/p>\n

As noted in my other comment there was I time when I
\nlost track of things in that regard. A variety of important events made it
\nquite clear to me that I would have to work at this relationship if it was to
\nremain intact much longer. It reminds me of a quote I like; the author’s name
\nescapes me just now; but it seems to fit and really does apply to our more
\nintimate relations with others as well as with our friends. It reads like this:<\/p>\n

“A man, sir, should keep his friendships in constant repair.”<\/p>\n

Disregarding that this is from a conversation between two men, it says it all.
\nFailure to follow this simple maxim could find one short a friend or lover or
\ntwo.<\/p>\n

Enter FOLLOW for related Message(s).<\/p>\n

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88 6-SEP-21:42: Open Forum
\n RE: Complete Honesty (Re: Msg 74)
\n From: JOHNMYSELF To: CABUYS<\/p>\n

I think some else mentioned this already, but even honesty should be indulged in<\/p>\n

in moderation. One need not know everything about another, in fact, it might
\nnot even be desirable to do so.<\/p>\n

However, having said that let me say this also; In a marriage, if one or the
\nother partner gets involved in ‘outside’ activity, the amount of information
\nexchanged (if any) should be based on the following considerations:
\nIf your mate is very to extremely jealous – try not to get caught.
\nIf your relationship has typically been an open one in which few
\nimportant secrets are kept between you, then a lack of honesty
\nmight be a signal that you don’t trust your partner to receive
\nthe information without trouble. Of course, there are all kinds of
\ntrouble; but the worst is deceit. I realize that not everyone is open
\nto the idea of their mate ‘going to bed’ with another person, or even
\njust ‘going out’ (not necessarily dating) but you could do worse than
\nnot discuss the other relationship. If the initial contact goes well
\nenough, perhaps there is room for you both to develope a closer
\nrelationship. The other one may or may not continue, but honest
\ncommunication is a must here.<\/p>\n

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89 6-SEP-21:46: Open Forum
\n RE: Infidelity (Re: Msg 75)
\n From: JOHNMYSELF To: CABUYS<\/p>\n

Maybe I am a bit simplistic on this one, but I look at infidelity as being a
\ncondition of involvement where the parties have to ‘sneak around’ and\/or where
\nthe ‘intruder’ effectively replaces your husband or wife by becoming much more
\nimportant to you. Other than that, I don’t think that non-physical involvement
\nis a bad thing. In fact, it can do wonders for ones sex life.<\/p>\n

Enter FOLLOW for related Message(s).<\/p>\n

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90 6-SEP-21:57: Fantasies
\n RE: Fantasies – What are they? (Re: Msg 21)
\n From: PRINCESS To: JOEY<\/p>\n

I think you are right about wanting fantasies to come true and the possible
\noutcome if they did. I have made some of my fantasies come true ,with help,
\nand in about half the cases it was just not as good. I guess it is because
\nfantasies are more flexible than real life. Oh well. also, we should not be
\njudged by our fantasies. What one person thinks is ‘weird’ is quite ok to
\nsomeone else. viva la difference!!<\/p>\n

Peggy<\/p>\n

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\n91 6-SEP-22:03: Fantasies
\n RE: Fantasies – What are they? (Re: Msg 47)
\n From: PRINCESS To: DAVIDBR (NR)<\/p>\n

David,
\nas you said, without dreams to reach for … what or where would we be??
\nbored!!!!! thanks peggy<\/p>\n

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92 6-SEP-22:05: Noteworthy News
\n RE: A Kiss (Re: Msg 50)
\n From: PRINCESS To: ALL<\/p>\n

sounds like kisses have something in them like chocolate …<\/p>\n

Enter FOLLOW for related Message(s).<\/p>\n

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93 6-SEP-22:12: Noteworthy News
\n RE: KISSES (Re: Msg 64)
\n From: PRINCESS To: RODM<\/p>\n

rod,
\nby putting it that way you could almost spoil the art of kissing by making it
\nsound clinical , but sok … we understand … I guess I never thought
\nabout it tho I knew there are different types of kisses … all with different
\nmeanings … friendly kiss Peggy<\/p>\n

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94 6-SEP-22:19: Open Forum
\n RE: Complete Honesty (Re: Msg 78)
\n From: PRINCESS To: KRANKY (NR)<\/p>\n

you could be right about moderation … or at least in thinking first whether or<\/p>\n

not complete honesty is necessary. for example … in a relationship where one
\nis somewhat on the heavy side … would you really feel it necessary to tell
\nthem they look ‘too big’ if they asked … just think about whether or not total<\/p>\n

honesty is the kindest thing to do … oh well, other examples might be better
\n… but this one is safest <\/p>\n

Enter FOLLOW for related Message(s).<\/p>\n

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95 6-SEP-22:24: Open Forum
\n RE: Infidelity (Re: Msg 82)
\n From: PRINCESS To: FSF (NR)<\/p>\n

dan … comments … i think hot chats are more enjoyable than magazines
\nand have found in the past that they can add excitement to my activities at home<\/p>\n

… they can certainly give new ideas never thought of before, or be a good
\nplace to try out new ideas … I do not feel it is being unfaithful to engage in<\/p>\n

compusex … but also would not indulge if my partner were to
\nfeel it were, or would ask me not to<\/p>\n

Peggy<\/p>\n

Enter FOLLOW for related Message(s).<\/p>\n

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96 6-SEP-22:29: Open Forum
\n RE: ‘old married folks’ (Re: Msg 85)
\n From: PRINCESS To: TJH<\/p>\n

just a quick comment thanks for saying what you did … I agree that if a
\nrelationship is based on more than sex then the sexual excitement derives partly<\/p>\n

from sharing … sharing between a couple something intimate may not have
\nanything to do with sex but be as enjoyable … for example sharing the vision
\nof a sunset or sunrise, or a first experience shared like a first driving lesson<\/p>\n

… or horseride … or what I enjoyed with my husband … the births of our 5
\nchildren and the last 3 shared more intimately because he was there … Peggy<\/p>\n

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97 6-SEP-22:33: Open Forum
\n RE: ‘old married folks’ (Re: Msg 86)
\n From: PRINCESS To: JOHNMYSELF<\/p>\n

is hard always to show love … and to give attention … we do tend to take
\nadvantage of ones who are always there… and neglect the romantic needs of our
\npartners … I love you … we are lucky too … I know noone else who is as
\nunderstanding as you are … some come close, but noone else knows me as well as<\/p>\n

you do … a love letter to a spouse is as important as in any other romantic
\nrelationship folks … or we could always try to remember to give Rod’s “flower”<\/p>\n

a day … old married folks … us??? <\/p>\n

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\n99 7-SEP-04:23: Open Forum
\n RE: Complete Honesty (Re: Msg 74)
\n From: RODM To: CABUYS<\/p>\n

I like the idea of complete honesty like you described but am sometimes at a
\nloss when harm or pain results and at least for me “pain caused becomes a pain
\nfelt”<\/p>\n

Some of my need for this strong an openness is a desire and even “drive” to
\nshare every aspect of my life past and present to the exclusion of NOTHING with
\nmy lover<\/p>\n

Rod<\/p>\n

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100 7-SEP-04:50: Open Forum
\n RE: Working on Relationships (Re: Msg 73)
\n From: RODM To: CABUYS<\/p>\n

In response to whether a majority of people in this country work on their
\nrelationships? I think they work on them but RARELY hard enough to prevent an
\nerosion.<\/p>\n

As for myself I TRY to direct energy possible toward my relationship and lover<\/p>\n

the principle driving force is the greatest possible happiness, pleasure, and
\ngeneral well being of my partner.<\/p>\n

Rod<\/p>\n

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101 7-SEP-16:35: Open Forum
\n RE: Infidelity (Re: Msg 75)
\n From: RH To: CABUYS<\/p>\n

SUBJECT: HOT CHAT: Infidelity?<\/p>\n

It seems to me that free, open, close (and sometimes exciting) conversations on-<\/p>\n

line) has nothing to do with infidelity. In fact, to me infidelity only On-line<\/p>\n

(or even telephone) chats are a wonderful fantasy outlet which can, in fact,
\nimprove a relationship with one’s partner. Even if on-line chat leads to off
\nline meetings, I think that I think that<\/p>\n

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102 7-SEP-19:03: Open Forum
\n Offense to Womanhood?
\n From: CABUYS To: ALL<\/p>\n

In the Jacksonville area, a large petroleum company posts messages up on a
\ncompany headquarters sign. A local female resident opposes the content of these<\/p>\n

messages saying they are an offense to womanhood.<\/p>\n

“Latest messages she cited included: ‘The most dangerous food is wedding cake.’<\/p>\n

‘I like younger girls – their stories are shorter.’ And most recently ‘Goodbye
\nElena, you little tramp. You left us warm and damp.’<\/p>\n

The resident had reported her complaint once before to the local papers, saying
\nthat the sign that finally clinched her decision was one that said: ‘Woman was
\nGod’s second mistake.'”<\/p>\n

The petroleum company employee who composes the signs said: “The only purpose
\nof the signs is to, hopefully, show a little humor in an otherwise drab life
\nand, perhaps, shorten the trip home for commuters.”<\/p>\n

The complaining resident said ‘it is only serving to shorten her temper. “This
\nman is making me nervous,” she said.<\/p>\n

What is your opinion of the content of these messages?<\/p>\n

FORUM> <\/p>\n

No more messages.<\/p>\n

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\n102 7-SEP-19:03: Open Forum
\n Offense to Womanhood?
\n From: CABUYS To: ALL<\/p>\n

In the Jacksonville area, a large petroleum company posts messages up on a
\ncompany headquarters sign. A local female resident opposes the content of these<\/p>\n

messages saying they are an offense to womanhood.<\/p>\n

“Latest messages she cited included: ‘The most dangerous food is wedding cake.’<\/p>\n

‘I like younger girls – their stories are shorter.’ And most recently ‘Goodbye
\nElena, you little tramp. You left us warm and damp.’<\/p>\n

The resident had reported her complaint once before to the local papers, saying
\nthat the sign that finally clinched her decision was one that said: ‘Woman was
\nGod’s second mistake.'”<\/p>\n

The petroleum company employee who composes the signs said: “The only purpose
\nof the signs is to, hopefully, show a little humor in an otherwise drab life
\nand, perhaps, shorten the trip home for commuters.”<\/p>\n

The complaining resident said ‘it is only serving to shorten her temper. “This
\nman is making me nervous,” she said.<\/p>\n

What is your opinion of the content of these messages?<\/p>\n

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\n103 7-SEP-19:22: Play Ground
\n “Cathy” Cartoon
\n From: CABUYS To: ALL<\/p>\n

Altho the “Cathy” cartoon is one of my favorites, I get a kick out of any
\ncartoon that makes some reference to computers and how they affect our lives.<\/p>\n

Today’s “Cathy” and her mom where discussing a friend’s wedding and the lines
\nread as follows:<\/p>\n

Cathy’s Mom: “If this isn’t going to be a weird wedding, why is the maid of
\nhonor wearing a sweatsuit?”<\/p>\n

Cath: “Mom, there will be no parachutes, no gurus, no tribal dances, no
\nchantes….<\/p>\n

Cath: …Just a nice normal ceremony in a paste emporium with the bridesmaids
\nin sweatsuits and many of the guests on the computer screens.”<\/p>\n

Cathy’s Mom: “Every generation finds a new way to offend the relatives.”<\/p>\n

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\n105 7-SEP-19:25: Play Ground<\/p>\n

From: CABUYS To: ALL<\/p>\n

What do you call a man who relies on the ‘rhythm’ method of birth control?<\/p>\n

DADDY!<\/p>\n

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\nNo more messages.<\/p>\n

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M106-117.DOC<\/p>\n

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read 106<\/p>\n

106 7-SEP-20:07: Open Forum
\n RE: Offense to Womanhood? (Re: Msg 102)
\n From: JOEY To: CABUYS<\/p>\n

Connie,<\/p>\n

I think this guy is perverted, sexist, and a bad humorist.<\/p>\n

Enter FOLLOW for related Message(s).<\/p>\n

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107 7-SEP-22:44: Play Ground
\n RE: “Cathy” Cartoon (Re: Msg 103)
\n From: PETEVO To: CABUYS<\/p>\n

MY FAVORITE CARTOON, AS A MEMBER OF THE DATA PROCESSING COMMUNITY, IS “ON THE
\nFAST TRACK”. THE AUTHOR HAS A GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF HOW THE INFORMATION SYSTEMS
\nSTAFF WORKS (OR DOESN’T) IN A MAJOR ORGANIZATION.<\/p>\n

PETE<\/p>\n

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108 7-SEP-22:55: Open Forum
\n RE: Infidelity (Re: Msg 75)
\n From: PETEVO To: CABUYS<\/p>\n

AFTER PONDERING THIS TOPIC FOR MINUTES, AND READING ALL THE FOLLOWING MESSAGES,
\nI’D LIKE TO TAKE A NICE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD POSITION: IT DEPENDS ON IF YOU (THE
\nPERSON INVOLVED) THINKS IT IS.<\/p>\n

NOW THIS MAY SOUND PRETTY WISHY-WASHY, BUT FIRST, I’M NOT A JUDGENENTAL PERSON
\n(TYPIST EITHER), AND SECOND, SO MUCH OF YOUR VIEWPOINT DEPENDS UPON THE CULTURE
\nTHAT YOU ARE, AND HAVE BEEN, A PART OF.<\/p>\n

I HAVE FRIENDS THAT CONSIDER MAGAZINE VIEWING TO BE INFIDELITY, YET I HAVE OTHER<\/p>\n

FRIENDS WITH OPEN RELATIONSHIPS WHO DON’T CONSIDER MULTIPLE LOVERS IN ADDTION TO<\/p>\n

THEIR SPOUSES, TO BE INFIDELITY.<\/p>\n

I THINK A KEY INGREDIENT IN CONSIDERING THIS IS “COMMITTMENT”. IF COMPUSEX OR
\nWHATEVER BREAKS YOUR COMMITTMENT TO ANOTHER, THEN IT’S PROBABLY INFIDELITY. AT
\nLEAST THAT’S THE BEST ANALYSIS THAT I CAN COME UP WITH. HOPE YOU FOUND SOME
\nVALUE IN ALL THESE WORDS.<\/p>\n

PETE<\/p>\n

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109 7-SEP-22:59: Open Forum
\n RE: Offense to Womanhood? (Re: Msg 102)
\n From: PETEVO To: CABUYS<\/p>\n

WELL, THIS GUY MAY BE A STANDARD DEVIATION OR SO AWAY FROM THE MEAN IN THE
\nNORMAL DISTRIBUTION OF LIFE, BUT WHILE IN POOR TASTE, THERE ARE CERTAINLY MORE
\nTHINGS THAT I COULD FIND TO GET EXCITED ABOUT.<\/p>\n

BESIDES, IT WOULD SEEM TO SHORTEN A COMMUTER’S RIDE HOME AS HE\/SHE PONDERED AN
\nAPPROPRIATE RESPONSE. (LAUGHTER OR PREMEDIATED MURDER).<\/p>\n

PETE<\/p>\n

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110 7-SEP-23:06: Open Forum
\n RE: Complete Honesty (Re: Msg 74)
\n From: PETEVO To: CABUYS<\/p>\n

I BELIEVE IN HONESTY AND WILL ALWAYS ANSWER A QUESTION HONESTLY, (FROM ANYONE).
\nIF AN HONEST ANSWER CHANGES SOMEONE’S OPINION OF ME, THEN ITS BETTER TO KNOW
\nTHAT INFORMATION SOONER THAN LATER.<\/p>\n

I BELIEVE, HOWEVER, IN ANSWERING THE QUESTION ASKED BEARING IN MIND THE
\nSENSITIVITY OF THE OTHER. THERE ARE MAY WORDS THAT CAN SHAPE THE TRUTH INTO
\nSOMETHING HARD OR SOFT. I ALWAYS TRY TO BE SPECIFIC, YET GENTLE.<\/p>\n

ONE MOTTO I USE WHEN SEEKING INFORMATION FROM OTHERS IS “DON’T ASK QUESTIONS YOU<\/p>\n

DON’T WANT THE ANSWERS TO!”<\/p>\n

PETE<\/p>\n

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111 7-SEP-23:19: Open Forum
\n RE: Working on Relationships (Re: Msg 73)
\n From: PETEVO To: CABUYS<\/p>\n

AFTER CAREFUL DELIBERATION ON ALL OF THE FOLLOWING MESSAGES, I GUESS I AM IN
\nGENERAL AGREEMENT WITH THE SENTIMENT EXPRESSED.<\/p>\n

RELATIONSHIPS (REAL, LONG-TERM ONES) DON’T JUST HAPPEN. SHORT ONES, MAYBE.
\nTHERE MUST BE SOME COMMON GROUND BASIS FOR A RELATIONSHIP. THIS COMMON GROUND
\nMUST BE CULTIVATED, WEEDED, FERTILIZED, AND SEEDED WITH NEW INTERESTS OR T HE
\nGROUND AND ALL THERE GETS HARD AND BARREN.<\/p>\n

AN EASY TASK!! IN ADDITION, DEPENDING ON THE PEOPLE INVOLVED THIS CAN BE A
\nFULL-TIME JOB. IT DEPENDS ON THE NEEDS OF EACH PERSON.<\/p>\n

IN MY OWN PERSONAL CASE, I DON’T REQUIRE MUCH FROM A RELATIONSHIP; I’M BASICALLY<\/p>\n

INDEPENDENT, I GUESS (OR MAYBE JUST HARDENED). I HAVE A NUMBER OF FRIENDS, BUT
\nNO REAL RELATIONSHIPS. I JUST CANNOT SPEND THE AMOUNT OF ENERGY NEEDED TO TURN
\nA FRIENDSHIP INTO A RELATIONSHIP. AFTER LONG ANALYSIS, I THINK THIS MAY BE DUE
\nTO THE R ATHER DEMANDING NATURE OF MY FRIENDS.<\/p>\n

MY RELATIONSHIPS TO DATE, HAVE GONE FOR A WHILE THEN INTERESTS CHANGED, WE
\nDIDN’T WANT TO PLANT THE SAME CROPS ON THE COMMON GROUND, AND THE RELATIONSHIPS
\nFIZZLED.<\/p>\n

THIS EXPLANATION OF MY LIFE IS MUCH TOO SIMPLISTIC TO GIVE YOU A FAIR IMPRESSION<\/p>\n

OF ME–CONSIDER IT JUST A SMALL INSIGHT.<\/p>\n

SOMEDAY, IF YOU HAVE LOTS OF TIME, I’LL EXPLAIN MY VIEW OF RELATIONSHIPS AND
\nPEOPLE AS SHAPES IN A SPACIAL UNIVERSE. A GOOD BEDTIME STORY (BORING, THAT IS)
\nTO BE SURE.<\/p>\n

PETE<\/p>\n

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112 7-SEP-23:34: Open Forum
\n RE: Offense to Womanhood? (Re: Msg 102)
\n From: RODM To: CABUYS<\/p>\n

I have to say that, judgeing by the comments given that the only person with a
\nproblem in this case is the woman doing all the complaining and frankly she
\nseems to be creating the negative image of womanhood in HER mind. In fact the
\ncomment about the wedding cake was neutral as to gender and she seems to have
\ndecided in her own mind who is greatest at risk by a wedding cake!<\/p>\n

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113 7-SEP-23:39: Open Forum
\n THE WEEKLY CONFERENCE
\n From: PETEVO To: CABUYS<\/p>\n

WHAT A BUNCH OF PARTY-POOPERS! I FINALLY GET A SATURDAY TO BOOGIE WITH YOU
\nCRAZY GUYS AND YOU ALL TURN IN EARLY, JUST BECAUSE NO ONE’S ON.<\/p>\n

NOW I WILL CONCEDE THAT I TRIED TO GET ONTO DELPHI FROM 8:15CDT UNTIL 9:00 CDT
\nAND GOT “MAX USERS ON” MESSAGES, AND PRESUMABLY SO DID ANYONE ELSE WHO TRIED TO
\nGET ON, BUT HEY(!) I’M A PARTY ANIMAL, I KEP TRYI T TRYING.<\/p>\n

SO LIKE, YA KNOW, I HADDA READ ALL THE FORUM MESSAGES, AND I WAS LIKE 40 BEHIND
\nSO WOW AM I CAUGHT UP NOW, OR WHAT!? EVEN THO ITS 90 HERE BY MY COMPUTER AND
\nTHE DEW POINT IS 80, I STUCK IT OUT, SWEAT DRIPPING INTO THE KEYBOARD AND
\nEVERYTHING (WHAT A MARTYR, HUH. . .MAYBE NOT–MARTYRS DIE!!).<\/p>\n

WELL, I HOPE YOU ALL HAVE A GOOD WEEK, AND YA KNOW KEEP COOL AND ALL THAT. I’M
\nOUTTA TOWN NEXT SAT, AND DOING A HOME IMPROVEMENT FOR A FRIEND THE 21ST, AND I
\nGOT PROGRAMS LEFT TO DEBUG TONIGHT, SO I GUESS I’LL JUST BE SEEING ALL YOU
\nLADIES
\nAND GENTS. . . .<\/p>\n

PETE<\/p>\n

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114 8-SEP-07:19: Open Forum
\n RE: Offense to Womanhood? (Re: Msg 102)
\n From: JOHNP To: CABUYS<\/p>\n

I think those messages have absolutely no place on a public sign. They make me<\/p>\n

wonder what the company owners are thinking.<\/p>\n

Some things are better left distributed\/shared among those who are known to want<\/p>\n

to see or hear them.<\/p>\n

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115 8-SEP-12:33: Open Forum
\n RE: Infidelity (Re: Msg 75)
\n From: GUSTAVE To: ALL<\/p>\n

This has to do with the posts on honesty, infidelity and working on
\nrelationships. It’s less than a printed page long, but I hope you’ll take the
\ntime. Please read this with an ear towards personal relationships – this is no
\ngreat moral treatise, but rather the lesson of the past year or so. It is
\npersonal and above all, an opinion which may or may not hold for others. I am
\ngreatful for your comments and additions.<\/p>\n

I’ve come to realize recently that honesty is the only way to go in a
\nrelationship that is based on Love. I’m not speaking of other things, of mutual<\/p>\n

casual sex, open marriages, etc., but of a commitment that is based on a
\nprofessed love for the other person.<\/p>\n

My former lover, it turns out, had three other lovers while professing her
\n“eternal” love for me and even speaking of marriage. I at times thought
\nsomething else was going on, and when asked, she denied everything vehemently.
\nI am a gentle person, and she could not have felt any danger from admission of
\nwhat was going on. Add to this the fact of her outrage at such things as my
\ninnocent dinners with old female college friends and professional work with
\nother females, it was all quite a shock.<\/p>\n

No matter how liberated we may claim to be, infidelity hurts. Maybe a little,
\nmaybe a lot, but in some way, it hurts. The honest revelation of infidelity is
\nthe best way to deal with it. As every liar learns, sooner or later people will<\/p>\n

be found out. We all have an uncanny ability to leave fresh tracks despite our
\nbest conscious efforts to deceive.<\/p>\n

Personally, I would rather have infidelity admitted and dealt with. It may
\ndevelop into many things; a lifestyle, a lesson, an experiment; but it is better<\/p>\n

dealt with and resolved. Deceit becomes chronic — especially if it is
\ninitially successful. It is a wound which may fester if not treated, and can
\nbecome the basis for one’s dealing with another. And then it’s no longer a
\nloving relationship, but a constant engineering of actions to maintain what one
\nis unwilling to resolve. Infidelity may be a single urge – an understandable
\nreturn to our more basic drives (marriage is, after all, a social institution –
\na vow – designed to keep us honest, for no primate is monogamous) but unresolved<\/p>\n

dishonesty becomes part of everyday life and can change us in ways we never
\nthought possible.<\/p>\n

You need not fear a true lover. Someone who really loves you will forgive your
\nindiscretions.<\/p>\n

I read a helpful book recently: “Do I Have To Give Up Me To Be Loved By You?”
\nby Jordan & Margaret Paul. It runs on the premise that successful relationships<\/p>\n

are besed on openness and honesty – that growth cannot take place when people
\nare closed to change and adaptation – and provides a set of working explanations<\/p>\n

on how to keep relationships open, growing and honest.<\/p>\n

I hope that this provides some basis for some more insights on these topics.<\/p>\n

Thanks for listening!<\/p>\n

FORUM> <\/p>\n

116 8-SEP-13:43: Open Forum
\n msg 102
\n From: MADONNA To: CABUYS<\/p>\n

I think it is only fair for the signs o give both genders equal time. The
\nwedding cake comment, as Rod pointed out, could be directed at either sex–and
\nthat’s the way I initially interpreted it.<\/p>\n

Enter FOLLOW for related Message(s).<\/p>\n

FORUM> <\/p>\n

117 8-SEP-15:54: Open Forum
\n RE: msg 102 (Re: Msg 116)
\n From: RODM To: CABUYS<\/p>\n

I should finish my comments from before which I had to cut short!<\/p>\n

I still hold that the woman making has the deeper of the problems but I must
\nalso say that anyone that deals with public relations or advertising should know<\/p>\n

better than make comments of bad taste and some of those ads seem to be in bad
\ntaste!<\/p>\n

In summary I think the woman has an attitude problem and the ad person is just
\nnot qualified for the responsibility he has in advertising!<\/p>\n

I can’t imagine someone telling those kind of jokes to a client and in this case<\/p>\n

the public is the client.<\/p>\n

There is adult humor or special humor that is VERY funny in the right setting
\nbut is rude and in poor taste in the wrong setting!<\/p>\n

FORUM> <\/p>\n

No more messages.<\/p>\n

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