Path: utzoo!mnetor!uunet!lll-winken!lll-tis!ames!nrl-cmf!mailrus!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!bloom-beacon!SEAS.UCLA.EDU!bilbo.gregh From: bilbo.gregh@SEAS.UCLA.EDU (Gregory Holmberg) Newsgroups: comp.windows.x Subject: Re: Summary of AT&T Open Look Product Overview Message-ID: <8805110146.AA07732@ATHENA.MIT.EDU> Date: 10 May 88 20:35:07 GMT References:<2788269942-4938200@Sierra> Sender: daemon@bloom-beacon.MIT.EDU Organization: The Internet Lines: 32 > The extra detail on OPEN LOOK is interesting, but I'm still unclear on > what pieces OPEN LOOK contains. So far only an API (in both NDE and Xt > flavors) has been mentioned. However, some of the features imputed to > OPEN LOOK would ordinarily be implemented by a window manager client > (title bars, geometry control gadgets, icon controls, focus control, > etc.). Does OPEN LOOK include a special window manager, or is it > designed to work with any window manager of the user's choosing? The document only talks about the "OPEN LOOK GUI Xt TOOLKIT." However, I can't imagine not implementing the things you mention in a window manager. Why, it would be heresy!!! My God!!! :-) Assuming they use a window manager, then of course you could use a different manager. But then you wouldn't have the OPEN LOOK GUI, since AT&T is promoting it as a whole look and feel standard, not just a toolkit or library. How these things are implemented in NeWS, I don't know. It may be different. If you've seen the pictures (in the California magazine "Microtimes", for example), you know that the "control panel" buttons, message area, system menu (at the "shine" mark), scroll bars and "push pins" are integral and significant parts of the standard. There was also an article about OPEN LOOK in the April 18 (Vol 10, issue 16) issue of InfoWorld. Thirty-six vendors promised support for OPEN LOOK at the announcement, including Ashton-Tate, Autodesk, Borland, Interleaf, Lotus, Symantec, Unisys, Word Perfect and Xerox. The only information I have is what I've read in articles and press releases. Perhaps someone who's actually seen it or someone listening at AT&T or Sun could come forward and comment further. Greg Holmberg Locus Computing Corp.