Path: utzoo!utgpu!water!watmath!clyde!bellcore!decvax!mandrill!hal!ane
From: ane@hal.UUCP (Aydin "Bif" Edguer)
Newsgroups: news.admin
Subject: Re: 417K waste of money postings (was: Re: PICNIX V3)
Summary: Yo dude, RTFM.  If you have no FM, then ask your feed.
Message-ID: <252@hal.UUCP>
Date: 12 May 88 16:52:11 GMT
References: <1559@slvblc.UUCP> <111@pigs.UUCP> <435@rd1632.Dayton.NCR.COM>
Reply-To: ane@hal.UUCP (Aydin "Bif" Edguer)
Organization: Biometry Computing Facility
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In article <435@rd1632.Dayton.NCR.COM> miller@rd1632.Dayton.NCR.COM (Andy Miller) writes:
 >In article <111@pigs.UUCP> haugj@pigs.UUCP (John F. Haugh II) writes:
 >>first, picnix is a shareware product which the author is going to,
 >>attempt at least, make money from.  as such, this posting
 >>belonged in biz.binaries.whatever.  the source for picnix is
 >             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 >             Bull****!!! 
 >Greediness has nothing to do with this and this .arc file is far better
 >off in c.b.i.p than any biz.binaries.whatever.
The DARPAnet is specifically prohibited from being used for commercial
purposes.  Violating this can be prosecuted under Federal law.  The
question of whether shareware is commercial or non-commercial is rather
gray but when in doubt it is better to err on the side of safety.
While the USEnet is not the ARPAnet, many of its sites and links are
part of the ARPAnet.  Thus by using the biz.all groups, sites can effectively
decide whether this is a program they want to carry, and ARPAnet sites
can safely carry comp.binaries.* without worry.  If you want shareware,
get a connection to a site carrying the biz groups.  If you are unwilling
to pay the cost then stop complaining and don't bother everyone else.

 >Do you perfer to be fat, dumb, and happy?
I would always prefer to be happy.  Now why are you ridiculing people
with larger fat cells than you have?  Keep your prejudices to yourself.

 >>fourthly, the cost of acquiring picnix from a public access site is
 >>minimal.  the transmission costs for this package are approximately
 >>$4.00 at 2400bps, and right at $9.00 for 1200bps (figures based on
 >>connection statistics at rpp386)  neither of those amounts are too
 >>much to expect an individual to pay.
 >>
 >Personally I know of no other "public access site" where I can get this
 >software.  The net is my PUBLIC access site.
Hmmm.  The "net" is not a site.  The net is composed of a large group
of sites.  The site you have access to speaks to at least one other
site.  If that site is not feeding you the information you want there
is always UUNET.  UUNET is a Sequent Balance that carries all groups
and distributes them on a pay basis (you pay for connection costs).
If you are unwilling to pay this small cost then you are part of the
problem that everyone (except BOB) is complaining about.  You think
the news is important only if you don't have to pay for it.

 >>having presented what i feel to be a rational, and reasonable argument
 >>for installing the moderator, would someone explain why it hasn't been
 >>done and then go do it anyway?  and as an aside, i will be making
 >>picnix available for anonymous uucp AS I DO FOR MANY OTHER PACKAGES.
 >>if you missed a part COME AND GET IT YOURSELF!
 >>
 >How in the world am I supposed to uucp into your machine???  There are 101
 >different machines between mine and yours.  At any given time one or with my
 >luck all are down.  Give me a break....  Furthermore there is no way I get out
 >to SIMTELL20 and get these things myself.  To stop sending files out in 
 >c.b.i.p would practically slit my throat.  What do you think c.b.i.p was even 
 >created for???!!!!  
Ahem.  RTFM.  ALL THE FMs.  You have a phone and a modem, right?  He has
a phone and a modem, too.  Well you dial his phone number and login in
and bang!  you have a uucp connection.  Tough, huh.  What's that?  You
don't know his phone number?  Well, there is this little thing called
the maps.  They're found in comp.mail.maps.  There is a program called
uuhosts that lets you use them easily.  According to the maps his phone
number is +1 214 250 3311.  In fact if you read a little farther you
won't even need to call him to find out how to connect up, HE TELLS YOU.

 = This machine takes anonymous mail and gives anonymous uucp requests
 = for sources.  Call +1 214 250-6272.  Startup at 2400, one break
 = for 1200.  UUCP login is anonuucp, no password.  Send mail or pick
 = up /usr/spool/uucppublic/archive for a list of available files.

 >Sorry to be taking up the net bandwidth with such dribble but this guy
 >sounds like he is really out in left field in regards to people in my 
 >position.
No.  He is right there scoring a touch-down.  It's you who are out there
in the stands thinking its a softball game that has problems.

Aydin Edguer				edguer@mandrill.ces.cwru.edu