Path: utzoo!utgpu!water!watmath!clyde!att!osu-cis!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!bloom-beacon!gatech!hubcap!ncrcae!ncr-sd!ncrlnk!rd1632!miller From: miller@rd1632.Dayton.NCR.COM (Andy Miller) Newsgroups: news.admin Subject: Re: 417K waste of money postings (was: Re: PICNIX V3) Message-ID: <435@rd1632.Dayton.NCR.COM> Date: 11 May 88 18:58:11 GMT References: <1559@slvblc.UUCP> <111@pigs.UUCP> Reply-To: miller@rd1632.Dayton.NCR.COM (Andy Miller) Organization: R&D, NCR Corp., Dayton, Ohio Lines: 110 In article <111@pigs.UUCP> haugj@pigs.UUCP (John F. Haugh II) writes: >In article <1559@slvblc.UUCP>, dick@slvblc.UUCP (Dick Flanagan) writes: >> Total 33 522398 21% 417156 > >> This newest version of the PiCnix collection is not currently >> available from any public or private BBS, so you'll see it here >> first! >> -- >> Dick > >this has become a rather hot topic with me and several others. when >is the moderator going to take charge of this (comp.binaries.ibm.pc) >and cut the volume on this group? > >i actually have several complaints with picnix being distributed on >the net. > FLAME ON ....... >first, picnix is a shareware product which the author is going to, >attempt at least, make money from. as such, this posting >belonged in biz.binaries.whatever. the source for picnix is ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Bull****!!! Greediness has nothing to do with this and this .arc file is far better off in c.b.i.p than any biz.binaries.whatever. >available, therefore if anything were to be distributed it should >be the sources, except that picnix is shareware and the author is greedy. > >secondly, we know what picnix is and another version has already >been posted to usenet recently. i in fact run it on the compaqs here >at work. why should my upstream feed be expected to transmit that >thing to me if they aren't using it, considering i can pick it up >from my local archive site? Newer version, updates, and later releases have always been and should always be welcomed on this net. Not everyone, like myself, can just "pick" it up from a local archive site. I __need__ every feed I can get. Futthermore, I think it is great that you have the earlier version up and running and all, but why would you not be interested in using a possibly better version. Do you perfer to be fat, dumb, and happy? > >thirdly, the cost of transmitting this product is once again being >borne by the net without their consent, per se. comp.binaries.ibm.pc >was agreed upon as a moderated group. for monies to be spent on a >whim by someone not the moderator is unfair and unjust. for dick >flagan to spend $2,500 of the net's money at the push of a button >is WRONG. > Alas this is true.... >fourthly, the cost of acquiring picnix from a public access site is >minimal. the transmission costs for this package are approximately >$4.00 at 2400bps, and right at $9.00 for 1200bps (figures based on >connection statistics at rpp386) neither of those amounts are too >much to expect an individual to pay. > Personally I know of no other "public access site" where I can get this software. The net is my PUBLIC access site. >fifth, the posters in comp.binaries.ibm.pc don't seem to have the >connectivity to be providing useful services to the net. rahul >dhesi, the moderator of c.b.i.p, has provided useful services to the >net, in the form of zoo, and would seem to be a responsible person, ^^^^^ Ha! Personal bias but zoo is NOT a useful service. >worthy of our trust. who is dick flagan? and did anyone notice ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I see nothing wrong with Dick Flagan. >that the site which transmitted the code was a uupc site? are we ^^^^ >really going to let pc-clone users spend all of the net's money and >provide nothing in return? Since when has this net been for Unix boxes only. Why the hell would UUPC be sent around so many times and supported by usenet members if they were not to be allowed to participate???!!! > >having presented what i feel to be a rational, and reasonable argument >for installing the moderator, would someone explain why it hasn't been >done and then go do it anyway? and as an aside, i will be making >picnix available for anonymous uucp AS I DO FOR MANY OTHER PACKAGES. >if you missed a part COME AND GET IT YOURSELF! > How in the world am I supposed to uucp into your machine??? There are 101 different machines between mine and yours. At any given time one or with my luck all are down. Give me a break.... Furthermore there is no way I get out to SIMTELL20 and get these things myself. To stop sending files out in c.b.i.p would practically slit my throat. What do you think c.b.i.p was even created for???!!!! -------- FLAME OFF ------------ Sorry to be taking up the net bandwidth with such dribble but this guy sounds like he is really out in left field in regards to people in my position. Andy.Miller@Dayton.NCR.COM ---------------------------------- Disclaimer: Absolutely none of my comments are the views of the company or anyone else related to the company. Just little old me.