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From: mikep@ism780c.UUCP (Michael A. Petonic)
Newsgroups: alt.sex,soc.singles,alt.flame
Subject: Re: Techniques and Positions
Message-ID: <9983@ism780c.UUCP>
Date: 10 May 88 22:07:09 GMT
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In article <506@zorch.UU.NET> shara@zorch.UU.NET (Nancy McClelland) writes:
 >In article <9892@ism780c.UUCP> mikep@ism780c.UUCP (Michael A. Petonic) writes:
 >> [ the oft quoted section of my text dealing w/ date rape ]
 >
 >  I know I shouldn't be posting at this time, because I am sitting here
 >  absolutely *fuming* with anger.  But I'll be damnned if I'll let this 
 >  pass.
 >
 >  Exactly what sort of slimy, crawling in the dark, lowlife are you?

The kind that likes to get a reaction out of you.  Thanks.

 >  *Misread signals?*  *MISREAD SIGNALS!*  How do you misread "No, don't. 
 >Please
 >stop. No, stop! Oh, God, no"?  Rape is rape, you pathetic excuse for a
 >human being. 

Right, puss-filled crevice.  Rape IS rape.  But, have we agreed that
what is commonly called "date rape" truly "rape" or is it a misnomer?

 >This whole thing of date rape was done to death on the net 
 >8 or 10 months ago.  The result was pretty disappointing.  Mostly the women 
 >said they were afraid of, or angered by date rape, and a good portion of 
 >the male answers were "you're exagerating" and "really, it's not that big 
 >a deal".  Has any male you've ever know been raped?  There are men who have 
 >been raped.  But almost always, they, too, were raped by *men*.  There 
 >actualy have been a few reported cases of men being raped by women, but I 
 >have a question for all the men on the net.  Have you, or any male in your 
 >family, or any male you know, or any male you have ever met, been raped by a 
 >women?

Good point, bus-stop rat bag.  But is it germaine?  Or is it another case
of "Us vs. Them?"  Are you trying to make it into a case like that?

How many men have you known that have raped you?  For the record, I've
never raped anyone.  And I haven't "date raped" anyone, either.  And,
I don't plan on it, since my current SO is just as horny as I am (thank
god for life's simple pleasures). 


 >Think about it.  For those few who have a tendency to be less than truthful,
 >use your intellect for a change, and really think about this, instead of
 >making up something to prove a point.  Until at least a few men *on the net*
 >can say yes to this, YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO TELL A WOMAN HOW TO FEEL ABOUT 
 >RAPE - ANY FORM OF RAPE! 

Key point:  You fucked up, here.  Listen to yourself.  "... YOU HAVE
NO RIGHT ..."  Exactly.  I didn't tell women how to feel about rape.
I don't give a flying fuck about how you feel.  I feel that it isn't
a good thing, but that's moot, because I've never date raped someone.

 >I apologize to the rest of the net if this sounds somewhat embittered.
 >When I changed systems, I didn't move my kill file.  Just figured I'd
 >start over.  After all people change, or maybe I got the wrong impression
 >in the first place, whatever.  Mike sure hasn't changed.          

No, I haven't.  Thanks for the reaction.  May the rest of your year be
just as nice  :-).


 > nancym