Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!uunet!seismo!sundc!pitstop!sun!amdcad!ames!ucbcad!ucbvax!NIHCU.BITNET!JDA From: JDA@NIHCU.BITNET Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple Subject: My Great AppleFest Report and Opinion sheet (GAFRO) Message-ID: <8711241312.aa17806@SMOKE.BRL.ARPA> Date: Mon, 23-Nov-87 14:52:10 EST Article-I.D.: SMOKE.8711241312.aa17806 Posted: Mon Nov 23 14:52:10 1987 Date-Received: Sun, 29-Nov-87 01:22:51 EST Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Organization: The ARPA Internet Lines: 255 As requested, I am re-posting the following AppleFest report. Apparently, it did not make it to all ARPAnet subscribers. == Forwarded Mail == MAIL VIA BITNET FROM MAILER@PSUVM WEDNESDAY 11/11/87 6:02:52 A.M. Received: from PSUVM(MAILER@PSUVM) by NIHCU (Mailer) id 6012 Wed, 11 Nov 87 06:02:52 EST Received: by PSUVM (Mailer X1.24) id 5951; Wed, 11 Nov 87 05:57:24 EST Date: 5 Nov 87 06:05:58 GMT Reply-To: Info-Apple@BRL.ARPA Sender: INFO-APP Info-Apple ListComments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was info-apple-request@BRL.ARPA From: Sean Kamath Subject: My Great AppleFest Report and Opinion sheet (GAFRO) Comments: To: info-apple@BRL.ARPA To: 'Doug Ashbrook' This is part one of my Great AppleFest Report on Opinion sheet. It contains all the exhibits in the main auditorium. Part two has the auxiliary hall, and the conferences, as well as addresses and information. Sean ====Cut here==== Forty days and forty nights have passed since AppleFest, and at last I sit down to type in my 20 page tome, as Grandma Nerd called it. According to my dictionary, a tome is one section of a book, or a small book in itself. Well, this is about all I have to say about AppleFest, and I guess it is pretty big. ---------- AppleFest -- not quite a dream. I've read some other reports of AppleFest and they all seem to have one thing in common -- a glowing wonderment like it was Christmas. Well, I didn't get that impression. In fact, I got hardly any such impression at all. Having had a //e for 5 years, and working with VAXen and a PC7300 etc. has made me somewhat spoiled. I like to get into the guts of small machines, mostly because I can't really do the same on larger ones. Because of this, I tend to get over the heads of many people, including tech support and other people who are supposed to be the "guru's". So if it seems like I'm being a little condescending, I'm sorry. I just expected a lot of people to know more than they did, including Apple's own. ========================================================================= I went on a whim. I asked my girlfriend, Robin, if she wanted to go down to San Francisco. She said yes, so we went. I don't know what I expected, but I didn't find it there -- at least, not immediately. It got better as I found more people and talked to more informed folks. After driving 12 hours from Portland, we checked into the King George hotel. When I called to get tickets, they told me about the King George. It was right across from the Hilton and only cost $69 + tax a night (granted, tax brought it up to $72 or some such). The next day we went to the Civic Auditorium. I've seen riots more organized. When I got my tickets on the VISA, they told me they would be there at the door. When I got to the door, they had no idea you even *could* purchase tickets over the phone. Robin and I stood around for a while, then sat down, until, after over an hour of waiting, we finally met the *one* woman who was handling *all* ticket and booth problems for the show. She lamented that when they took the orders etc., they wrote them down but never put them in a computer. My receipt was nowhere to be found. I ended up buying another ticket. I'm still waiting to see if I get charged twice. This month's statement should tell me. We went into the "main showroom" where there were four aisles of vendors, manufacturers, publishers, and every last one of them -- salesfolk. When you walked in, you immediately saw the Apple display. They gave us a button and a bag. As I walked around the display, I then realized the wave of the future, if you'll pardon the expression. Ever wonder about everyone going mac-happy on //'s? Frankly, I really don't understand it. It's great for educational stuff, and for beginning users, especially those who have a fear of computers. But as you get more and more advanced, you begin to realize that, while the mouse-based interface with windows et al. is sometimes convenient, it can also be a real pain, and it *slows* things down. I'm not taking about keyboard to mouse and back, I mean text vs. graphics. Try this. Put a GS in alternate display mode (graphics) and run this simple BASIC program: 10 FOR X = 1 TO 8000 20 PRINT "X"; 30 NEXT X It runs 40% slower. It just does. (Do this in 80 column mode, as I don't know what the slowdown percentage is in 40 columns.). And who needs graphics *all* the time, like when you log on to a VAX to read news? I really like the Apple's method of having a text page and a graphics page. You can put text on the graphics page, and sometimes it's very nice to be able to do that, but sometimes you don't need to *at all* (like now) and shouldn't be bogged down by it. (By the way, how come no one has come out with a "finder" like application that uses the mousetext characters? At least I haven't seen any. It should be really easy, and fast.) The issue can be debated from here to eternity, and I don't think either side will "win" so much as coexist. People will just learn there is a time for windows, icons, mice (WIM's) and a time for them not to be used, or at least that it isn't necessary or even desirable. It makes programming easier. Back to our story, down off the soapbox. They (Apple) had about 10 computers running software from other booths. They had a Mac running MacWrite and other MacPrograms, a few //e's running educational software, some //c's running things like the Print Shop, and a few GS's either trying to be Macs, or running music programs. It seemed to say "Mac's are for business, //e's for education, //c's for junior & sis, and a GS for everything else." Oh, well. Right in the entrance, immediately to the left, was Corvus. Interestingly enough, not a hard disk in sight. I found out why in this months A+ (I broke down and bought it because I'm going to get a hard disk, and I want a SCSI with 20 megs that I can put DOS 3.3 on as well as ProLOS. According to them, there isn't one made. Anyone know of one? I refuse to switch entirely to ProLOS.[see Xebec]). It seems Corvus and AST asked not to be covered by the magazine. I guess they want out of the business. Corvus was showing their ELAN stuff, though. Since I only have three computers in my house, I'm not that interested in LAN technology. I wouldn't mind Appletalk, though. More on that later. A little point this reminds me of. Since I only have a //e (and Robin has a //c) I wasn't that thrilled by new GS stuff. While I plan to either upgrade to a GS or just get one, it's not in the immediate future. Therefore, while I went to some GS specific things, I didn't make a vested effort to get the latest gossip. Needless to say, Robin, like all //c owners, continually complained about the lack of stuff for her computer. Well, one thing was introduced that at least works on a //c. More on that later, as well. Right next door to Corvus was Brown Wagh Publishing. They asked me, of the Apple specific magazines, which I liked to read the most. I told him none of the magazines per se, that all the real info comes through the newsletters like Open-Apple and Apple Assembly Line, as well as in the electronic medium, such as the net. The magazines are more Flash & Trash, with advertisements to fill it out. Not that this is bad, mind you. He nodded his head and muttered something about A+ and how glossy the covers were, and how expensive that was. I trotted over to booth #803, Checkmate Technology. They had advertised a "great unveiling" at AppleFest. I listened to the guy give his spiel about the product, and frankly, it sounded really neat. It basically turns *any* GS RAM card into a battery backed up one. By plugging the other card into the Checkmate card, and the Checkmate card into the Apple, the checkmate acts as power supply and refresh signal while the GS is off. It's actually a pretty simple idea, and I'm surprised no one came out with it sooner. Frankly, I believe it's because the RAM disk mania is only now becoming widespread. I personally don't like RAM disks. I much prefer hard disks, with, oh, 20 ms seek time, and intelligent disk caching. And frankly, a 1 meg RAM board can run you more than some 20 meg hard disks. But caching isn't a big deal -- at least not yet. It appears that Apple is planning to add it to ProDOS 16 sometime in the future. More on that (guess when!) later. I asked them why it was that both Applied and (well at least) Coit Valley Computers were advertising 16 & 17 meg //e's (respectively) but when I called, Applied told me it may be a few years before they tackled the problem. The technical representative I spoke with told me that basically everyone was waiting for the new 4 meg RAM chips. Also, Dennis Domms (Open-Apple contributor) said when he talked to them, he found out (from those in the know) that there is a problem with going past 8 meg, something about the 80 column firmware or addressing scheme. I guess we just wait and see. [Applied's catalog lists a 16 meg Ramworks III -- it's not priced, and it says "custom". I guess they wouldn't mind some research funds. . .] I also asked around about the 65816 add-ons. I guess Checkmate has sold around 50 to date. I intend to be the 51'st, at least when I can have more than 3 meg (I guess Applied just introduced up to 5 meg, but I don't much like them. More on that (groan) later). I really want 8, but I'll settle for 5 (maybe). Moving up to the first aisle, we walked by several booths dedicated to educational uses of computers. That's fine with me, I firmly believe in their use in education. However, since I don't teach any "real" classes (occasionally I teach Reedies something in a two day class, but then we teach them such things as C programming and communications), they were not of much interest to me. I therefore apologize to those of you in the educational area that hoped to read about the latest and greatest eduware. I walked up to the GEnie booth. They had a //e linked up, and were showing people how it worked. I assume that if you are reading this on the net, then you pretty much know enough about that, at least more then they were showing at AppleFest. It was rather an interesting spectacle. Either a company went all out and had mondo booths with tons o' equipment, or they just sort of sat around. Broderbund is a good example. We've all heard of Broderbund. I walked past them several times before I realized they were even there. Another example was Compute! Publications. Unlike A+ (Ziff Davis) and InCider (CW Communications), who were out *in force*, Compute! was so small I didn't even know they exhibited until I got home. Ohio Kache Systems was handing out demo disks. The demo program was rather simplistic in terms of trying to explain caching, but then caching is not really that simple a concept. In any case, every time I walked by, they gave me a disk (Robin too!), and now I feel stupid for buying the ten disks I did buy, even if they were different colors. I feel really awkward about Ohio Kache. Why? Because I really want it, only for a hard disk. I haven't really looked into it, as I A) haven't got a hard disk, and B) haven't got the money. I really feel that caching is the way to go, but you just can't cache anything less than 800K disks (then it' called a RAM disk :-) ). I guess I'm spoiled by our VAX. Call A.P.P.L.E was there selling cheap SCSI 20 megger's by CMS. I now understand some things. Apparently, the Apple SCSI card is not usable on a standard SCSI drive, only one designed for Apple's card. Now, the CMS card is "standard" SCSI. Does this mean I can nab a really cheap used SCSI drive and link it up to their (CMS) card? Also, I asked an Apple Tech if the SCSI card (Apple) did DMA on the motherboard. He told me it was all "programmed I/O". Now, I thought SCSI was DMA? If it is, then Apple's version either does DMA on the card, or that's the major modification they did to the SCSI interface (maybe. It probably is cabling and termination.). In any case, the reason why this is important will be explained "later" (See the ZIP chip). Call A.P.P.L.E. was our first example of what was to come at the show. SELL SELL SELL! They were selling the CMS drives for some quantity of money, but I just read an add in Call A.P.P.L.E.'s magazine. Computers Direct is selling the 20 meg for $499.95. Cheaper than a Sider, and SCSI to boot. (By the way, this is not in chronological order. Robin and I walked a very run of the mill drunkard's walk around the place, the only way to do it. This covers a three day sojourn into the dark and pitiful world of Consumerism and Business. It has also been more than a few weeks since the Fest, and I have read Fire in the Valley since then. I has given me a little better understanding of business in the microcomputer world. I whole heartily recommend it for reading.) So why was it the hard sell at AppleFest? I found out at booth #222, Open-Apple. After talking to the Open-Apple brigade (Tom Weishaar, Dennis Domms, and Jim Luther), I found out why it was such the hard sell there. It cost a lot to display, and many small companies had to make it up by selling their products. The only reason Open-Apple came was because they got a booth right next to Beagle Bros. They were selling the "cheapest thing" at AppleFest -- posters. So I bought one. Got one free, too. They were four pictures that had appeared in Open-Apple before, most notably Matthew Monitor, Dr. Basic, and Uncle DOS. However, I bought a disk from a retail outlet for 1/4 the price. .