Path: utzoo!mnetor!uunet!ccicpg!felix!john From: john@felix.UUCP (John Gilbert) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac Subject: Re: support for older machines & Re: MultiFinder RAMDisks Message-ID: <15627@felix.UUCP> Date: 9 Dec 87 02:34:51 GMT References: <1927@unc.cs.unc.edu> <6664@apple.UUCP> <5104@oberon.USC.EDU> <14543@felix.UUCP> <5431@oberon.USC.EDU> <6863@apple.UUCP> <5488@oberon.USC.EDU> Sender: daemon@felix.UUCP Reply-To: john@felix.UUCP (John Gilbert) Organization: FileNet Corp., Costa Mesa, CA Lines: 134 In article <5488@oberon.USC.EDU> kurtzman@pollux.usc.edu (Stephen Kurtzman) writes: >In article <6863@apple.UUCP> tecot@apple.UUCP (Ed Tecot) writes: >>In article <5431@oberon.USC.EDU> kurtzman@pollux.usc.edu (Stephen Kurtzman) writes: > >Let me put it a slightly different way. I just shelled out money for an SE >with an imagewriter and a modem. According to the literature and the Apple >authorized dealers, this configuration is the middle-of-the-line. When I bought >my system it could run all of the Apple standard software. Less than 90 days >later it cannot. YES IT CAN!!! YES IT CAN!!! YES IT CAN!!!! You keep saying this. Your above statement is at face value NOT TRUE! You CAN run Multifinder! You CAN run HyperCard! You CAN NOT run them together, although playing with HyperCard's memory requirements (you CAN reduce them with experimentation) may allow you to. > Since Apple has released Multifinder and Hypercard as standard >system software (and not as separate products) that makes me think that Apple >considers a Macintosh running Multifinder and Hypercard as their standard >system. HyperCard and Multifinder are absolutely separate products, with separate product numbers, and available for purchase SEPARATELY. The fact that they both come free with new Macs does not mean they are guaranteed to both run together. > >>>Apple could have put a little effort into making Multifinder smaller. >>>The fact that Multifinder is an excessive memory hog has been well documented >>>in this forum. They could also have made HyperCard a little smaller, or at >>>least segmented it so that it could run in something less the 750K! >>>(It took a lot of will power not to use an explitive between "750" and "K"). >> >>You're very confused. MultiFinder is not a memory hog. MultiFinder only > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >Another insult. He could have said something like "you don't know what you are talking about". You DO have some facts wrong. >>though both are standard operations. (Are you starting to pick up on the > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >>analogy?) >^^^^^^^^^^ > >Another insult. I don't hear too many folks feeling sorry for you here. >>HyperCard only requires 750K when you are scripting. It can get buy on >>less if you lower your user level. Reread my Chevy analogy before making >>flames. The rule is simple - you need more to do more. > ^^^^^^ > >Another insult. Where? >Whether it is MultiFinder that is the hog or the combination of Multifinder >and the System, it is a fact that Hypercard can run under the Finder, but >Hypercard cannot run under Multifinder and remain fully functional. Show me where you were promised it would. Why do you insist that because they both came free in the same package that they should be required to work together? So far, all you have stated, basically, is that they gave you both of them and YOU have decided this means they have to work together on the system you bought. >Earlier in this conversation thread another Apple employee displayed a >condescending attitude toward people who expressed disapproval of the >increased memory requirements for the new set of standard software. If I take >your comments and those of the other Apple employee as exemplary of Apple's >attitude (and I do since you both posted as Apple employees) then I can only >assume that Apple is really callous to my concerns that Apple will drop support >for my machine. > >Now, as for flaming: I posted a serious note about what I perceive >as Apple reducing support for the machine I just bought. You are free >to disagree. You posted a serious note complaining that YOU did not think it was fair that the software does not work as you want to use it. You consistantly misrepresent the truth with your comment that your 1meg SE will not run the software. It will, and I have an SE down the hall to prove it. Now you say they are "reducing support". What does that mean? They give you great products (GIVE THEM TO YOU), and you bellyache that the support is diminished. You complain that you cant run them, when you could make the best of your machine and run them however you can. In a previous posting you commented on the order that (paraphrase) the fact that it can still get the job done is not the point. Why not. Most of us own computers to USE them to get things done! >*FLAME ON* > >The tenor of your reply is totally inappropriate in this forum and for your >position as a representative of Apple. You only do Apple harm when you foster >ill will by insulting customers. If I knew of this hostile attitude by Apple >employees before buying my Macintosh, I might not have bought it. So what, >only one sale you may say. If you feel that way, then I suggest you take it >up with your supervisor or John Scully. In any event I suggest you discuss >your attitude with your supervisor. If you worked for me, at the very least, >you would be severely reprimanded for insulting the customers. And I would >probably prohibit you from posting to the net from the Apple machine. > >*FLAME OFF* My FLAME is already on, so I 'll just turn it up a bit.... You have exagerated Mr. Tecot's attitude. I do not agree that his comments were "insults". Nor is his tenor "hostile". Check your dictionary to see what that really means. I for one feel that you are way out of bounds here. HE didn't say "so what, only one sale"... YOU did. HE tried to respond to your posting, which was pretty inflamitory in itself. He is human, and if he has an attitude, so be it. I do not find that attitude "hostile" in any form. Others here on the NET may disagree with me. So far, you are lacking in support. Sorry to the rest of us. John Gilbert -- John Gilbert !trwrb!felix!john