Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!uunet!husc6!sri-unix!rutgers!labrea!jade!saturn!ssyx!wolf From: wolf@ssyx.ucsc.edu (Mike Wolf,4264777) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga,comp.lang.modula2 Subject: Re: M2Amiga, another bunch of answers Message-ID: <1336@saturn.ucsc.edu> Date: Sat, 5-Dec-87 23:33:33 EST Article-I.D.: saturn.1336 Posted: Sat Dec 5 23:33:33 1987 Date-Received: Fri, 11-Dec-87 04:49:10 EST References: <1221@sugar.UUCP> Sender: usenet@saturn.ucsc.edu Reply-To: wolf@ssyx.ucsc.edu (Mike Wolf) Organization: UC Santa Cruz; Division of Social Sciences Lines: 41 Keywords: language sensitive editors. Xref: mnetor comp.sys.amiga:12029 comp.lang.modula2:560 In article <1221@sugar.UUCP> schaub@sugar.UUCP (Markus Schaub) writes: >>> Modula II is *much* too wordy for my tastes... when I look at source >>> I want to see my PROGRAM, not a bunch of keywords. >> >>Me too. My biggest complaint with highly structured languages is that you >>can't see anything but the structure. > >I'm currently working with a syntax directed editor for Modula-2 on the PC >and now that I'm used to it I think this is a good thing. Forget about >typing keywords, semicolons, indentation etc. Very nice features are wrap and >unwrap of LOOP/IF/WHILE etc statements. Select a block and say 'make an IF'. >Not yet available on the Amiga, and I don't know if it ever will be. > > // Markus Schaub uunet!nuchat!sugar!schaub (713) 523 8422 Last summer I was hired to do ADA programming under VMS. (UCSC just has UNIX) The latest editor for VMS is called the Language Sensitive Editor. I found the LSE more of an annoyance then anything else, and quickly returned to using the TPU enviroment I have set up. I found that using LSE just slowed me down, because everytime I expanded the structure of my program I got way more stuff then I wanted. I wasted a lot of time going through the options and the various structures just selecting the ones I wanted. At first I figured that the problem was just that ADA makes languages like PASCAL look absolutly free form. After trying the LSE on PASCAL and C, I decided that it slowed me down in other languages also. An LSE style editor seems like it would only be useful for a group of people who are experienced enough to know what all the structures are, but not experienced enough so it's faster to just type it in yourself. I suppose it might prove useful to those who type slowly. Structured languages may be necessary for some types of programming projects, and they may ease program maintanence, but they're no fun. :-) +------------------------------------+---------------------------------------+ | Michael Wolf | An old Scandinavian quote: | | BITNET: wolf@ucscj.BITNET | "You can lead a herring to water, | | ARPA: wolf@ssyx.ucsc.edu | but you have to walk real fast, | | UUCP: ...ucbvax!ucscc!ssyx!wolf | or else he'll die." | +------------------------------------+---------------------------------------+