Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site hp-pcd.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!philabs!seismo!hao!hplabs!hp-pcd!hp-kirk!mark From: mark@hp-kirk.UUCP Newsgroups: net.aviation Subject: Re: Regulations Query - (nf) Message-ID: <1197@hp-pcd.UUCP> Date: Wed, 22-Jun-83 03:32:17 EDT Article-I.D.: hp-pcd.1197 Posted: Wed Jun 22 03:32:17 1983 Date-Received: Thu, 23-Jun-83 20:27:18 EDT Sender: netnews@hp-pcd.UUCP Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Corvallis OR Lines: 33 #R:hp-kirk:5500005:hp-kirk:5500006:000:1896 hp-kirk!mark Jun 20 06:01:00 1983 I admit that my question was more directed to what is legal rather than what is safe with regard to safety pilots; however, even the matter of safety is one that can't be shrugged off simply by saying that to be safe the safety pilot must be at least private rated. Is a student pilot (I refer here to one who has been signed off for solo flight and has done so in the plane in question) an unsafe pilot? It was pointed out that the safety pilot might be required to take control of the plane and recover from an unusual attitude (I love that phrase) perhaps fairly close to the ground. Indeed this is a task that the student pilot is not likely to be skilled at, but I would also point out that it is a task that the typical private pilot or even commercial pilot is not likely to be skilled at (as a side question I am curious about the training that CFIs -who are skilled at it- have in wresting controls away from hopelessly confused students to recover from the proverbial unusual attitude). My only point is that the FAA regulations (even when clearly stated) are not in any sense adequate for determining what is safe. This is always the sole and ultimate responsibility of the pilot; thus when I refer to the FARs my major interest is what is legal, safety is not something I look up in a book. Finally, as was pointed out, not only does one need concern themselves with what is safe and what is legal but also with what is insured, and alas that is all too often the limiting case in determining what a pilot (particularly one such as myself who rents aircraft) may and may not do. Mark "Death" Rowe hp-pcd!hp-cvd!mark Corvallis, Oregon