Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!decvax!wivax!linus!allegra!eagle!mhuxt!mhuxi!mhuxa!houxm!hogpc!houti!ariel!vax135!cornell!uw-beaver!tektronix!ogcvax!metheus!cdi!caf From: caf@cdi.UUCP Newsgroups: net.news Subject: Incomplete Articles Message-ID: <198@cdi.UUCP> Date: Fri, 27-May-83 17:45:41 EDT Article-I.D.: cdi.198 Posted: Fri May 27 17:45:41 1983 Date-Received: Sun, 29-May-83 08:20:53 EDT Lines: 63 Relay-Version:version B 2.10 5/3/83; site mhuxt.UUCP Message-ID:<198@cdi.UUCP> Date:Fri, 27-May-83 17:45:41 EDT A number of incomplete articles have arrived here recently. Their common malaise is apparent loss of the beginning. Any ideas why these articles are munged? Two examples follow: -Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site cdi.UUCP -Path: cdi!reed!tektronix!uw-beaver!cornell!vax135!floyd!harpo!seismo!hao!hplabs!sri-unix!cca!csin!cjh -From: cjh@csin.UUCP -Newsgroups: net.sf-lovers -Subject: assorted Heinlein msgs -Message-ID: <1555@sri-arpa.UUCP> -Date: Tue, 24-May-83 10:06:16 PDT -Article-I.D.: sri-arpa.1555 -Posted: Tue May 24 10:06:16 1983 -Date-Received: Thu, 26-May-83 23:16:39 PDT -Lines: 23 - -also believes that they're much happier suppressing that intelligence -when it's not used to manipulate a man (to take your example, Ellie ends -happily by getting married; consider also "The Menace from Earth", PODKAYNE OF -MARS, THE STAR BEAST, etc. ad nauseam). It's certainly reasonable to say of -Heinlein that he tends to look at all people simplistically; it's just that his -simplistic assumptions about women are even more skewed (compared with the -experience of many of us) than his assumptions about men. Heinlein has always -been opposed to some of the classical prejudices (consider remarks about race -in FARNHAM'S FREEHOLD), but he substitutes many of his own. - I'm also curious about your analogy to the blind men and the elephant. -Obviously peoples' artistic tastes will differ, but I'd guess that most of -the people commenting on THE NUMBER OF THE BEAST had read the whole book, -and most have also read a good part of Heinlein's work, giving them a fair -basis for comparison. I haven't checked off a list, but I think I've read -every novel and 95% of his short work; one of the things that can be said -objectively is that he tends to set up people as "right" or "wrong" and then -to treat their actions accordingly (not so much as Dickson, perhaps, but -still quite visibly). - My favorite reaction to TNotB was from a friend who read it recently; she -complained that they spent most of the first third of the book programming the -computer. (I skimmed many of those sections.) TNotB reads like a personal -wish-fulfillment fantasy, which is one of the things making it dull for anyone -else. -Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site cdi.UUCP -Path: cdi!reed!tektronix!uw-beaver!cornell!vax135!floyd!harpo!seismo!hao!hplabs!sri-unix!cca!csin!cjh -From: cjh@csin.UUCP -Newsgroups: net.sf-lovers -Subject: info on C. J. Cherryh -Message-ID: <1552@sri-arpa.UUCP> -Date: Tue, 24-May-83 08:20:48 PDT -Article-I.D.: sri-arpa.1552 -Posted: Tue May 24 08:20:48 1983 -Date-Received: Fri, 27-May-83 07:17:49 PDT -Lines: 4 - -aine) fits into a common universe in which DOWNBELOW STATION -is one of the earliest stories---she's worked out a lot of the astrography -involved with the aid of a 3-D lucite star chart. With luck this will be -published somewhere. -- Chuck Forsberg, Chief Engr, Computer Development Inc. 6700 S. W. 105th, Beaverton OR 97005 (503) 646-1599 cdi!caf