Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!genrad!decvax!harpo!floyd!vax135!ariel!houti!hogpc!houxm!ihnp4!ihuxr!esac From: esac@ihuxr.UUCP Newsgroups: net.aviation Subject: Mea Culpa, Mea Culpa Message-ID: <481@ihuxr.UUCP> Date: Wed, 22-Jun-83 08:54:51 EDT Article-I.D.: ihuxr.481 Posted: Wed Jun 22 08:54:51 1983 Date-Received: Wed, 22-Jun-83 23:53:32 EDT Lines: 28 I stand corrected on one assertion I made about safety pilots and logging time. The latest word I have (from two CFIIs) is that a flight instructor, while giving flight instruction, always logs the time as PIC, regardless of the ratings of the trainee. However, if the trainee is getting instrument flight instruction, is under the hood, and is not yet instrument rated, both pilots log the time as PIC. I can find nothing in the FARs that covers this, but this is what I am told by people who should know. At least this week anyway. I am also told that if an instrument student is flying with his CFI under actual instrument conditions, only the CFI can log the time as PIC and the student only gets the instrument time and dual received. Since the student is not yet instrumented rated, he cannot get PIC time under actual conditions. A question comes to mind here. Controlled airports consider a special VFR clearance to land at their field an instrument operation (per a controller at DuPage Co., Ill. field). If a VFR pilot gets a special VFR clearance, could he log his flight time under actual instrument conditions? I got a special VFR once and had to stay clear of the control zone until another plane landed. Bill Adams ihuxr!esac