Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site houxu.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!philabs!cmcl2!floyd!vax135!ariel!hou5f!orion!houca!hogpc!houxm!houxu!welsch From: welsch@houxu.UUCP Newsgroups: net.flame Subject: Reply to Laura (more on AAP) Message-ID: <118@houxu.UUCP> Date: Sat, 18-Jun-83 10:12:22 EDT Article-I.D.: houxu.118 Posted: Sat Jun 18 10:12:22 1983 Date-Received: Tue, 21-Jun-83 10:29:48 EDT Organization: Bell Labs, Holmdel NJ Lines: 77 I decided to post my reply to Laura because I don't know if a mail path exists between us and I wish to publicly defend my earlier statements. Besides this is net.flame and this is a flame! Laura, I read your reply with interest. I do not think that you are singling me out as the "... only person person making ... sweeping and largely inaccurate generalizations." I do believe that you are reading more into what I write than what was written. Let's deal with the statement that I originally wrote: Given the assumption that intelligence does not recognize race then it is reasonable to expect that within a given job category the races would have roughly (within 2 standard deviations) the same proportions as in the population. Further, let's divide the statement into two parts: Intelligence does not recognize race and it is reasonable to expect that within a given job category the races would have roughly (within 2 standard deviations) the same proportions as in the population. I interpret your statement: NOWHERE HAVE I EVER SAID THAT ANY RACE IS INFERIOR TO ANY OTHER WITH RESPECT TO INTELLIGENCE. EVER. THIS IS NOT TRUE AND I DONT BELIEVE IT AND I WILL PRODUCE STATISTICS TO BACK MYSELF UP ON THIS TO ANYONE WHO DISAGREES. that you agree with my premise. "Intelligence does not recognize race." This was not clear to me in your first article. I deduce you are disagreeing that the conclusion: it is reasonable to expect that within a given job category the races would have roughly (within 2 standard deviations) the same proportions as in the population. necessarily follows from the premise. First, I believe that in chosing a person for employment intelligence is a key factor. Even the army is willing to overlook many factors, but if a person is retarded then the army just won't employ her/him. Take fire fighting or police work as other examples. The first qualification test given in New York and New Jersey is an intelligence test. Only those bright enough go on to take physicals. Those jobs that are highly rewarded such as MD's, Dentists, etc. require proof by degrees of a person's intelligence. Second, I believe when looking at a race where there are a large number of people that there will be a large number of individual differences, wishes, wants and desires. When a there is significant factor that almost totally prevents members of a race from desiring a particular profession, (An event that is not within 2 standard deviations of the norm is unusual.) then the factor is interfering with an individual's freedom of choice and that factor should be changed. Based on the arguments in the previous paragraphs I believe my conclusion follows from my premise. What I see is happening is that you, Laura, are saying that if a person's freedom of choice in limited by her culture then that is okay. I disagree. I think the culture should be modified. Larry Welsch houxu!welsch