Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10 beta 3/9/83; site cornell.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!genrad!grkermit!mit-vax!eagle!harpo!floyd!vax135!cornell!pavel From: pavel@cornell.UUCP Newsgroups: net.lang.st80 Subject: Re: Smalltalk-80 Licenses Message-ID: <4562@cornell.UUCP> Date: Mon, 6-Jun-83 23:09:19 EDT Article-I.D.: cornell.4562 Posted: Mon Jun 6 23:09:19 1983 Date-Received: Tue, 7-Jun-83 08:05:12 EDT References: <4543@cornell.UUCP> Organization: Cornell Computer Science Lines: 42 I should really clear up some misconceptions that are running rampant on this group. Firstly, and most importantly, qubix!msc must have either spoken to Dave Robson quite a long while ago or gravely misunderstood him. The second book in the series is NOT "Creating a User Interface...", it is "Smalltalk 80: Bits of History, Words of Advice", edited by Glenn Krasner. This is primarily a book describing some of the implementation experiences of the Software Concepts Group here at PARC. The book on the User interface, by Adele Goldberg, will be the third book in the series. Glenn's book is in the home stretch of production, he having received some pages to look over for final approval. The current release date, which looks firm, is July 15. As for Adele's book describing the User Interface of the ST80 system, not only has it been started, but fairly complete drafts have existed around here for several months. In fact, I just finished learning the system by proofing the next-to-last draft (the "get your comments in now or forever hold your peace" draft). She is currently working on putting the final touches on the hundreds of illustrations and is beginning work on the design of the chapter-beginning art work. She is just a few steps behind Glenn as far as getting pages to look at goes. The interface book will really only be useful to those people who have a running ST80 system. Almost the entire book is structured around examples of everything. However, they may be enough pictures (there are a LOT of them) to understand it. One will certainly be able to get a certain feel for the general philosophy of the interface design. As for Hal Perkins' query about ST80 on a SUN, all I'm allowed to say is that an implementation exists here on a bare SUN (no UNIX) which is currently lacking only a virtual memory and some details. To answer Hal's question, yes, other people have thought of it. In general, I hereby offer my services as an information outlet from the Smalltalk Group. I am here as a summer student and will also be here most of 1984. I'll warn you ahead of time, however, that questions about proprietary info won't be answered. Mail can be sent to me most easily and consistently at my Cornell mailbox, not here at PARC, as my actual location is somewhat dynamic. Pavel Curtis ...!decvax!cornell!pavel Pavel@Cornell CRNLCS%pavel (BitNet)