 Foulques II "Le Bon" Comte d' "@N23607@" Anjou, son of Foulques I "Le Roux" Comte d' "@N23609@" Anjou and Rosalie (Roscille) de Loches.Born ± 909 at Anjou, France, died Nov 11, 958 at Tours, France, approximately 49 years Married Mar 2, 936/37 at 1st wife (approximately 16 years married) to:  Gerberga de Gatinais, daughter of Geoffrey Count of "@N23716@" Gatinais and Ava of Arverne.Born 915 at Gatinais, Orleanais, France, died 952, 36 or 37 years Turton has Gerberge as "d' Arles", daughter (with a ?) of Rotbold II Comte d'Arles, while AR has Gerberga (de Gatinais?). Neither source seems sure. Others say Gerberga du Maine, de Vienne, or de Tours. check ancestry ------------------------ The following post to soc.genealogy.medieval on 1 Jun 1998 by Ken Finton indicates that the only agreement seems to be to her first name (Professor Bachrach, a historian, proposed the existence of Gerberga, daughter of Ratburnus of Vienne, who married Fulk II, on purely political/historical grounds, even though there was no other indication that Ratburnus had a daughter named Gerberga.): This is directed at Professor Bachrach: There seems to be a lot of disagreement as to the father of Gerberga, wife of Fulk II. It has been called to my attention that you favor her identification as: Gerberga of Vienne, d/o Ratburnus. ["Prosopographical Method", _Medieval Prosopography 7_ , no. 2 (1986), 1-23. In his "Fulk Nerra" Bachrach says firmly that she is Gerberga of Vienne, da. of the "mere" (as he puts it, as part of his argument on the political import of the marriage) viscount of Vienne, Viscount Ratburnus I (p. 7 - and see his geneal of this house, chart 14)."] ES III:116 says this Fulk m. (1) Gerberga, dau. of Herve, Ct of Maine and (2) the widow of Alain, Duke of Brittany. Turton (chart 6) has her as Gerberga d'Arles, da. of Rotbold II, comte d'Arles. Also, Her father may have been Theobald de Tours.), source Royalty for Commoners, by Roderick W. Stuart, p. 125. If she is of Vienne, how can this be backed up? To complicate matters, I see that Christian Thevenot, "Foulque III Nerra, Comte d'Anjou" (1987) endorses Gerberga as Gerberge du Maine, da. of Herv Children: 1. Geoffrey I Grisegonelle Comte d' AnjouBorn Nov 11, 938 at Anjou, France, died Jul 21, 987, 48 years 2. Bouchard I de VendomeBorn ± 939 at Anjou, France, died 992 at Vendome, Loir-et-Cher, Orleanais/Centre, France, approximately 53 years 3. Agnes d' AnjouBorn ± 940 at Anjou, France, died after 987 4. Adelaide (Blanche\Arsinde\Adele) d' AnjouBorn ± 942 at Anjou, France, died 1026 at Arles, Bouches-du-Rhone, Provence, France, approximately 84 years The following is excerpted from a post to SGM, 30 Jul 2000, by Todd A Farmerie: From: Todd A. Farmerie (farmerie@interfold.com) Subject: Re: Adelaide d'Anjou (was Tiburge d'Orange) Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval Date: 2000/07/30 TatjanaAV wrote: > > >Blanche appears to have been more of a nickname. She is better known as > >Adelaide, wife of Stephen of Gevaudan, Raymond of Toulouse, Louis V of > >France, and William of Provence. > > So... This Adelaide was indeed married to Raymond de Toulouse? I've seen this > in only one account--all others do not have Raymond in the genealogy at all > (Guillaume III is recorded as the son Raymond III Pons de Toulouse and Garsinde > de Rouergue). Yes. This was only recently rediscovered. There is a surviving charter in which Guillaume names his wife Emma and mother Adelaide, and there is every reason to think this was the same Adelaide, known to have married "Count Raimond". The chronology is aufully long to have William a son of Raymond Pons as well, and the near-contemporary Roda Codex gives Raymond Pons no son William, but does give him a son Raymond. These make it evident that a reworking is in order. > When were Adelaide's parents married? I've seen it as 937, when > she was supposedly born in 930, and has Guillaume III in 947. I don't think there is enough information to provide such a date. Certainly both of them you give are nothing more than guesses, and need to be adjusted. As to William's birth, this date is wrong, based on his mistaken placement as son of Raymond Pons. A more recent guess is about 975. > Who are ALL of her children (with the correct fathers)? Stasser gives her the following: by Etienne de Brioude: 1. Pons de Gevaudan 2. Bertrand de Brioude 3. Etienne de Brioude 4. Ermengarde/Humberge, Countess of Auvergne 5?. daughter, wife of Herbert of Troyes by Raymond: 6. Guillaume Taillefer 7?. Toda/Adelaide, Countess of Besalu (I question this one) 8?. Letgarde by Guillaume II of Provence: 9. Guillaume III 10. Constance, Queen of France taf | |||
| 2nd marriage Foulques II "Le Bon" Comte d' "@N23607@" Anjou, son of Foulques I "Le Roux" Comte d' "@N23609@" Anjou and Rosalie (Roscille) de Loches.Married after 952 at 2nd husband 2nd wife (at most 6 years married) to: JudithBorn ± 920 at France | |||