 William Walter of Harcourt, son of Robert of Harcourt and Isabel of Camville.Born ± ABT. 1175 at Stanton Harcourt, Oxfordshire, Engladn, died Apr 6, 1223 at of Tamworth Castle, Warwickshire, England, approximately 48 years ID: I17137 Name: William Walter de HARCOURT Surname: Harcourt Given Name: William Walter de NPFX: Sir Sex: M Birth: ABT 1175 in Stanton Harcourt,Oxfordshire,England Death: 6 Apr 1223 in of Tamworth Castle,Warwick,England Reference Number: Waite _UID: 87B640FB7E022B4FB1A441EEBF7FD798A3BB Note: !Crusader at Damietta 1219. Governor of Tamworth Castle, 1218. [Magna Charta Sureties] WAITE LINE Gov. of Tamworth Castle, co. Warwick, 2 Henry III; m. Alice Noel; father of Sir Richard de Harcourt. [Ancestral Roots, p. 60] m. Alice Noel; father of Richard who m. Orabelle Quincy. [WFT Vol 9 Ped 1051] b.c. 1175, d. 1223; son of Isabella de Camville and Robert Harcourt; m. Alice Noel; father of Richard Harcourt. [Dexter Kenfield 1 2 3 Change Date: 19 Mar 2003 at 17:13:01 Father: Robert de HARCOURT b: ABT 1152 in Bosworth, Leicestershire, England Mother: Isabel de CAMVILLE b: ABT 1152 in Bosworth, Leicestershire, England Marriage 1 Alice NOEL b: ABT 1180 in Ellenhall,Staffordshire,England Married: 1201 in England Children Richard de HARCOURT b: ABT 1202 in Stanton Harcourt,Oxfordshire,England Helen HARCOURT b: ABT 1210 in of Bosworth, Leicestershire, England Sources: Repository: Name: Cheryl Varner Library Title: The Magna Charta Sureties, 1215, Fourth Edition Author: Weis, Frederick Lewis, Th.D. Publication: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., Baltimore, 1991 Repository: Name: Cheryl Varner Library Title: Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700, Seventh Edition Author: Weis, Frederick Lewis Publication: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., Baltimore, 1995 Page: p. 60 Repository: Name: Cheryl Varner Library Title: World Family Tree Volume 9, pre-1600 to present Author: Family Tree Maker Publication: Broderbund Software, 1997 Page: Ped 1051 From 'Glick/Foster Ancestry' at Rootsweb.com. Married 1201 at England (21 or 22 years married) to:  Alice Noel, daughter of Thomas FitzRobert Noel and Margaret le Strange.Born ± ABT. 1170 at Ellenhall, Staffordshire, England, died between 1235 BET., - and , 71 or 72 years ID: I17138 Name: Alice NOEL Surname: Noel Given Name: Alice Sex: F Birth: ABT 1180 in Ellenhall,Staffordshire,England Death: 1242 Reference Number: Waite _UID: 189F89848B870C45936D29DEBCCF04965313 Note: Dau. of Thomas Noel of Ellenhall, co. Stafford; m. William de Harcourt, Gov. of Tamworth Castle, co. Warwick; mother of Sir Richard de Harcourt. [Ancestral Roots, p. 60] WAITE LINE Dau. of Thomas Noel and Margaret Le Strange; m. William Walter Harcourt; mother of Richard who m. Orabelle Quincy. [WFT Vol 9 Ped 1051] 1 2 3 Change Date: 19 Mar 2003 at 17:13:01 Father: Thomas Fitz Robert NOEL b: ABT 1150 in Ellenhall,Stafford,England Mother: Margaret le STRANGE b: 1156 in Knockin, Shropshire, England Marriage 1 William Walter de HARCOURT b: ABT 1175 in Stanton Harcourt,Oxfordshire,England Married: 1201 in England Children Richard de HARCOURT b: ABT 1202 in Stanton Harcourt,Oxfordshire,England Helen HARCOURT b: ABT 1210 in of Bosworth, Leicestershire, England Sources: Repository: Name: Cheryl Varner Library Title: The Magna Charta Sureties, 1215, Fourth Edition Author: Weis, Frederick Lewis, Th.D. Publication: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., Baltimore, 1991 Repository: Name: Cheryl Varner Library Title: Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700, Seventh Edition Author: Weis, Frederick Lewis Publication: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., Baltimore, 1995 Page: p. 60 Repository: Name: Cheryl Varner Library Title: World Family Tree Volume 9, pre-1600 to present Author: Family Tree Maker Publication: Broderbund Software, 1997 Page: Ped 1051 From 'Glick/Foster Ancestry' at Rootsweb.com. ID: I58281 Name: Alice NOEL , Heiress of Ellenhall 1 2 3 4 Sex: F Birth: ABT 1170 in Ellenhall, Stafford, Staffordshire, England 3 4 Death: 1235 3 4 Note: [jweber.ged] Alice; married Sir William de Harcourt, and had Ellenhall and other estates as her share of her father's property. [Burke's Peerage] Father: Thomas NOEL , of Ellenhall & Raunton b: ABT 1151 in Ellenhall, Stafford, Staffordshire, England Mother: Margaret le STRANGE b: ABT 1154 in Alveley, Bridgnorth, Shropshire, England Marriage 1 William de HARCOURT , Sir Knight b: ABT 1170 in Stanton Harcourt, Oxfordshire, England Children Richard de HARCOURT , Sir b: ABT 1202 in Stanton Harcourt, Oxfordshire, England Sources: Title: Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, 7th Edition, by Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Shippard Jr., 1999 Page: 56-28 Title: Burke's Peerage & Baronetage, 106th Edition, Charles Mosley Editor-in-Chief, 1999 Page: 1111 Title: jweber.ged Repository: Call Number: Media: Other Text: Date of Import: 18 Jan 2005 Title: jweber.ged Repository: Call Number: Media: Other Text: Date of Import: 4 Mar 2005 From 'Strange & Kare Family Trees' at Rootsweb.com. Child: 1. Richard of HarcourtBorn 1203 at Stanton Harcourt, Oxfordshire, England, died 1258 at Market Bosworth, Leicestershire, England, 54 or 55 years ID: I17136 Name: Richard de HARCOURT Surname: Harcourt Given Name: Richard de NPFX: Sir Sex: M Birth: ABT 1202 in Stanton Harcourt,Oxfordshire,England Death: 1258 Reference Number: Waite _UID: 58A1A6AA89CCF5419B457C6961F22CC1D9D3 Note: !Of Stanton Harcourt, co. Oxford, and Bosworth, co. Leicester. [Magna Charta Sureties] WAITE LINE d. 12 Henry III; son of William de Harcourt, Gov. of Tamworth Castle, co. Warwick, and Alice Noel; m. Orabella de Quincy; father of William de Harcourt. [Ancestral Roots, p. 60] 1 2 Change Date: 19 Mar 2003 at 17:13:01 Father: William Walter de HARCOURT b: ABT 1175 in Stanton Harcourt,Oxfordshire,England Mother: Alice NOEL b: ABT 1180 in Ellenhall,Staffordshire,England Marriage 1 Orabella de QUINCY b: ABT 1202 in Winchester,England Children William de HARCOURT b: 1237 in Stanton Harcourt,Oxford,England Sources: Repository: Name: Cheryl Varner Library Title: The Magna Charta Sureties, 1215, Fourth Edition Author: Weis, Frederick Lewis, Th.D. Publication: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., Baltimore, 1991 Repository: Name: Cheryl Varner Library Title: Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700, Seventh Edition Author: Weis, Frederick Lewis Publication: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., Baltimore, 1995 Page: p. 60 From 'Glick/Foster Ancestry' at Rootsweb.com. ID: I84493 Name: Richard de HARCOURT , Sir 1 2 3 Sex: M Birth: ABT 1202 in Stanton Harcourt, Oxfordshire, England 4 3 Death: 1258 in Market Bosworth, Leicestershire, England 4 2 3 Death: 1228 5 3 Death: 1278 6 3 Note: [jweber.ged] Sir Richard de Harcourt, of Stanton Harcourt and Ellenhall. [Burke's Peerage] Sir Richard de Harcourt, of Stanton Harcourt, Co Oxford and Bosworth, Co Leicester. [Magna Charta Sureties] ------------------------------------------------ I have never had such disagreement on death dates from such noted sources. Ancestral Roots gives two different dates from two different lines (which do cross reference each other so that the individuals are clearly identified). I have chosen to prefer Magna Charta Sureties' date of 1258, not only because it is between the other two, but mostly because it also gave Richard's birthdate, possibly indicating more detailed knowledge. Magna Charta Sureties gives 1228 as the death date of Richard's father William. At least all of the dates ended with an "8". Burke's Peerage also gives 1258. Father: William de HARCOURT , Sir Knight b: ABT 1170 in Stanton Harcourt, Oxfordshire, England Mother: Alice NOEL , Heiress of Ellenhall b: ABT 1170 in Ellenhall, Stafford, Staffordshire, England Marriage 1 Orabella de QUINCY b: ABT 1200 in Winchester, Hampshire, England Children William de HARCOURT , Sir b: 1227 in Stanton Harcourt, Oxfordshire, England Sources: Title: Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, 7th Edition, by Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Shippard Jr., 1999 Page: 56-28 Title: Burke's Peerage & Baronetage, 106th Edition, Charles Mosley Editor-in-Chief, 1999 Page: 2888 Title: jweber.ged Repository: Call Number: Media: Other Text: Date of Import: 4 Mar 2005 Title: Magna Charta Sureties 1215, Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr, 5th Edition, 1999 Page: 111-2 Title: Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, 7th Edition, by Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Shippard Jr., 1999 Page: 56-28 Text: 12 Henry III Title: Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, 7th Edition, by Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Shippard Jr., 1999 Page: 93-28 From'Strange & Kare Family Trees' at Rootsweb.com. | |||