 Louis of the ""the Stammerer"" Franks, King of France, son of Charles ""The Bald"" Carolingians, Holy Roman Emperor and N.N.. Adoption parents: Charles ""The Bald"" Carolingians, Holy Roman Emperor and Ermentrude of Orleans Born Nov 1, 846 at France, died Apr 10, 879 at Compiegne, France; 3, 32 years Name: Louis II 'The Stammerer' of France 1 Sex: M ALIA: "The /Stammerer"/ Title: King of France Name: Louis II of France 2 3 4 Birth: 1 NOV 846 in France 5 Birth: 1 SEP 846 in St. Martins or Tours 3 Death: 10 APR 879 in Compeigne, Oise, France 6 Event: Acceded 877 King of France 7 Event: Gen Source 29 MAR 1994 ARP 1460:14 3 Note: Different sources attribute children to different mothers. The Directory of Royal Genealogical Data and The Encyclopedia Britannica has Adelaide as mother of Charles III, but the Phillips family shows Ansgarde. The Directory shows neither Ermentrude or Ermengard. The Directory of Royal Genealogy: 856 King of Neustria, 867 King of Acuitaine, 877 King of the West Franks. Louis II, King de France (the Stammerer) (Andre Roux: Scrolls, 191.) (Stuart, Royalty for Commoners, Page 130, Line 171-38.) (Paul, Nouveau Larousse Universel.) (Rosamond, Frankish kingdom under Carolingians, Page 258.) (Andre Castelot, Histoire de La France, Tome 1, Page 387). AKA: Louis II, King d'Aquitaine. Also Known As: Louis "Le Begue". Born: in Nov 846 in Compiegne, Oise, Ile-de-France, France, son of Charles II, King de France and Ermentrude d'Orleans . Married in 862: Ansgarde de Bourgogne , daughter of Hardouin, Count de Bourgogne; She was given in marriage to Louis by her brother, Odon, often confused with Odon, Count of Troyes, an older man and one of Louis' detractors (Rosamond, Frankish kingdom under Carolingians, Page 185). Note - between 867 and 879: Louis II was the King of Aquitaine from 867 to 879 and became King of France in 877, crowned at Compiegne by Hincmar, Archbishop of Rheims on 8 October. If the children and grandchildren of Charlemagne had an easy time ascending to the throne by virtue of their parentage, the same is not true for Louis. Louis had to be elected by the Greats - the nobles whose power had been growing steadily - and they conceded only after having received countships and additional powers. Moreover, Louis had to accept the tutelage of his maternal uncle, Hughes, Marquis of Neustria who also received the countship of Tours. He died 16 months later while making preparations to reprimand Bernard, Duke of Septimanie. Upon his death, nobles, looking to enhance their own power saw the kingdom partitioned between Louis III and Carloman, who were both crowned and anointed at Ferrieres in September 879 by Ansegis, Archbishop of Sens. Louis III's portion comprised Francia and Neustria, and Carloman ruled Burgundy, Aquitaine and Gothia. Married between 868 and 869: Adelaide=Adelheid de Paris, daughter of Adalhard, Count de Paris. Died: on 11 Apr 879 in France at age 32 Louis II died sooner than expected after having divided his kingdom between his two sons, Louis III and Carloman. To the older son went Francia and Neustria; and to the younger went Bourgogne, Aquitaine and the Marche of Spain. This creation of two kingdoms is highly disputed because the two sons are not viewed by some as legitimate because Charles le Chauve had not officially recognized Louis marriage to Ansgarde. Louis was not favored, and on 15 October 879, Provence and Bourgogne recognize Richilde's (Charles le Chauve's widow) brother, Bozon. Moreover, Louis, son of Louis le Germanique, also lays claim to the throne of France. Thus, to make matters rather complicated there exists three kings of France at this time. Father: Charles II "the Bald" , Holy Roman Emperor b: 13 JUN 823 in Frankfurt, Hessen-Nassau, Prussia Mother: Ermentrude de Orleans b: 27 SEP 830 in Orleans, Loiret, Orleanais/Centre, France Marriage 1 Luitgarde of Saxony b: ABT 848 in Saxony Children Ermengarde de France b: ABT 865 in France Marriage 2 Ansgarde of Neustria b: BEF 847 Married: 862 Event: Repudiated 878 8 Children Louis III b: 863 Carloman of France b: 866 Gisela b: 869 Marriage 3 Adelaide de Paris* b: ABT 844 in Paris, Seine, France Married: ABT 868 4 Married: WFT Est 857-877 2 Married: WFT Est 860-877 3 Married: ABT 862 in France 1 Married: 875 in France 1 Children Ermentrude of France b: ABT 870 in Paris, Seine, France Charles III "The Simple" King of France b: 17 SEP 879 in France Sources: Title: Ancestry.com Tree 1160 Text: Date of Import: Aug 8, 1998 Title: World Family Tree Vol. 29, Ed. 1 Author: Brøderbund Software, Inc. Publication: Release date: August 23, 1996 Note: Customer pedigree. Repository: Call Number: Media: Other Page: Tree 0902 Text: Date of Import: Aug 1, 1998 Title: Encyclopedia Britannica, Treatise on Repository: Call Number: Media: Book Page: Louis II Text: b. 846 Title: Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, 7th Ed. Author: Weis, Frederick Lewis, additions by Walter Lee Shippard Jr. Publication: 1999 Repository: Call Number: Media: Book Page: 148-16 Title: Directory of Royal Genealogical Data Author: Brian Tompsett, Dept of Computer Science Publication: Department of Computer Science, Hull University Note: usually reliable but sometimes includes hypothetical lines, mythological figures, etc Repository: Note: http://www.dcs.hull.ac.uk/public/genealogy/royal/catalog.html Call Number: Media: Electronic Title: The Family Trees of the Kings of France Author: Jean-Charles Volkman Publication: Editions Jean-Paul Gisserot, Paris Repository: Note: JHM Library Call Number: Media: Book Name: Louis II the Stammerer le Begue CAROLINGIAN King of Franks Surname: Carolingian Given Name: Louis II the Stammerer le Begue NSFX: King of Franks Sex: M Birth: 1 Nov 0846 in France Death: 10 Apr 0879 in Compeigne, Oise, Neustria, France Reference Number: Newlin, Wa _UID: 970E82A91F088A43ABEB50EC6DAEB00E6FEB Note: !King of the Franks 877-79, Emperor of the West 878-9. [Desc. of Charlemagne] MINOR, NEWLIN, WAITE LINES !The middle and late ninth century were dominated by the raids of Arab pirates, who went so far as to set up bases on Italian soil and to sack the Vatican suburb of Rome in 846. The resistance, led by the last Carolingian emperor based in Italy, Louis II, and Pope John VIII, was spirited but unsuccessful. [The Oxford History of Medieval Europe] !Rivalries between the Byzantium Empire and Carolingian Empire were well brought out in a letter of 871 from Louis II to his eastern opposite number in which Louis justified his claim to the title of Roman emperor on grounds of virtue, inheritance, and divine anointing and condemned the Greeks for their cacodoxy (vile theology). [Oxford History] !Had the further byname of "the do-nothing", but indeed he had no chance of doing much, for he died two years after beginning his reign. [Leaders & Landmarks, Vol. II, p. 27] !M. 2. Adelheid, sister of Abbot Wulfard of Flavigny. [Ped. of Charlemagne, Vol. I, p. 164, 264] m. Ansgarde, dau of Hardouin; father of Adelaide who m. Rainulph II, Count de Poitou. [The Plantagenet Ancestry, p. 7] m.3 Adelaide/Aelis of Paris; father of Ermentrude of France. [Ancestral Roots, Line 143, p. 125] 1 2 3 4 5 6 Change Date: 2 Apr 2003 at 21:31:23 Father: Charles II the Bald CAROLINGIAN King of France b: 13 Jun 0823 in Frankfurt-am-Main,Hessen-Nassau,Germany Mother: Ermentrude de ORLEANS Queen of France b: 27 Sep 0830 in of Orleans, Loiret, France Marriage 1 Ansgarde of BURGUNDY b: ABT 0850 in France Married: 0862 in France Children Ermengarde Adelaide of FRANCE b: ABT 0863 in France Louis III, King of FRANCE b: ABT 0870 in France Carloman, King of FRANCE b: ABT 0872 in France Marriage 2 Adelaide, Queen of the FRANKS b: ABT 0857/0858 in Paris, France Married: 0875 Children Hedwig, Princess of FRANCE b: ABT 0875 in France Ermentrude, Princess of FRANCE b: ABT 0876 in France Charles III the Simple, King of the FRANKS b: 17 Sep 0879 in France Marriage 3 Luitgarde von SACHSEN b: ABT 0845 in Saxony Sources: Repository: Name: Cheryl Varner Library Title: Pedigrees of Some of the Emperor Charlemagne's Descendants, Vol. III Author: Buck, J. Orton; Beard, Timothy Field Publication: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., Baltimore, 1988 Repository: Name: Cheryl Varner Library Title: The Oxford History of Medieval Europe Author: Holmes, George, ed. Publication: Oxford University Press, Oxford and New York, 1992 Repository: Name: Cheryl Varner Library Title: Leaders & Landmarks in European History, Volume II: The Middle Ages Author: Moncrieff, A.R. Hope; Chaytor, The Rev. H.J., M.A.. Publication: The Gresham Publishing Company, London, 1913 Page: p. 27 Title: Pedigrees of Some of the Emperor Charlemagne's Descendants, Vol. I Author: von Redlich, Marcellus Donald Alexander R. Publication: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., Baltimore, 1986 Page: pp. 164, 264 Title: The Plantagenet Ancestry Author: Turton, William Harry Publication: DSO Genealogical Publishing, Baltimore, 1984, 1993 Page: p. 7 Repository: Name: Cheryl Varner Library Title: Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700, Seventh Edition Author: Weis, Frederick Lewis Publication: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., Baltimore, 1995 Page: p. 123 From 'Glick/Foster Ancestry' at Rootsweb.com Married 862 at France (16 or 17 years married) to:  Ansegarde of Burgundy, daughter of Hardouin of Neustria, Count in Neustria and N.N..Born ± ABT. 850 at France Name: Ansgarde of BURGUNDY Surname: Burgundy Given Name: Ansgarde of Sex: F Birth: ABT 0850 in France Reference Number: Minor,Newl _UID: 91F717B95BAFEE43984A5DEE23A6F3B73355 Note: Dau. of Hardouin; union with Louis II of France produced Adelaide of France who m. Rainulph II, Count de Poitou. [The Plantagenet Ancestry, p. 7] MINOR, NEWLIN LINES m. Louis 'the Stammerer'; mother of Louis III and Karlmann. [The Oxford Illustrated History of the Vikings, p. 25] 1 2 Change Date: 19 Mar 2003 at 17:13:10 Father: Hardouin of Neustria Count b: ABT 0800 in of Neustria Marriage 1 Louis II the Stammerer le Begue CAROLINGIAN King of Franks b: 1 Nov 0846 in France Married: 0862 in France Children Ermengarde Adelaide of FRANCE b: ABT 0863 in France Louis III, King of FRANCE b: ABT 0870 in France Carloman, King of FRANCE b: ABT 0872 in France Sources: Title: The Plantagenet Ancestry Author: Turton, William Harry Publication: DSO Genealogical Publishing, Baltimore, 1984, 1993 Page: p. 7 Repository: Name: Cheryl Varner Library Title: The Oxford Illustrated History of the Vikings Author: Sawyer, Peter, ed. Publication: Oxford University Press, Oxford and New York, 1997 Page: p. 25 From 'Glick/Foster Ancestry' at Rootsweb.com Children: 1. Ermengarde Adelaide of FranceBorn ± ABT. 863 at Poitou, Aquitaine, France; 3, died 935, approximately 72 years Name: Ermengarde Adelaide of FRANCE Surname: France Given Name: Ermengarde Adelaide of Sex: F Birth: ABT 0863 in France Reference Number: Minor,Newl _UID: 03FD1CD5A1FA3742BEDE729C44E2D7F29E2E Note: Ermengarde -- Concubine of Ranulf II, Count of Poitou; mother of Ebler "Manger", Count of Poitou, etc. [Charlemagne & Others, Chart 3316] MINOR, NEWLIN LINE Adelaide of France -- Dau. of Louis II of France and Ansgarde; mother of Ebles, Count de Poitou. [The Plantagenet Ancestry, p. 7] 1 2 Change Date: 29 Mar 2003 at 19:59:45 Father: Louis II the Stammerer le Begue CAROLINGIAN King of Franks b: 1 Nov 0846 in France Mother: Ansgarde of BURGUNDY b: ABT 0850 in France Marriage 1 Ranulf II or Rannoux II POITOU Count of Poitou, Duke of Aquitaine b: ABT 0838 in of Poitou,France Children Ebles MANCER Count of Aquitaine b: BEF 0890 in of Poitou,Poitiers,Vienne,France Sources: Title: The Plantagenet Ancestry Author: Turton, William Harry Publication: DSO Genealogical Publishing, Baltimore, 1984, 1993 Page: p. 7 Repository: Name: Denver Public Library Title: Charlemagne, Alfred the Great and Other Ancestors Author: Mitchell, James T. Publication: 1991 Page: Chart 3316 From 'Glick/Foster Ancestry' at Rootsweb.com 2. Louis of France, King of FranceBorn ± ABT. 870, died Aug 5, 882 at 3, approximately 12 years 3. Carloman of FranceBorn ± ABT. 872, died Dec 12, 884 at 3, approximately 12 years | |||
| 2nd marriage Louis of the ""the Stammerer"" Franks, King of France, son of Charles ""The Bald"" Carolingians, Holy Roman Emperor and N.N.. Adoption parents: Charles ""The Bald"" Carolingians, Holy Roman Emperor and Ermentrude of Orleans Married 875 at 3 (3 or 4 years married) to: Adelaide of the Franks, Queen of the Franks, daughter of Adalard of Argengau, Count of the Palace and N.N..Born between 857 BET., - and at Paris, France, died ± 10 ABT., Nov at France; 3 Name: Adelaide, Queen of the FRANKS Surname: Franks Given Name: Adelaide, Queen of the _AKA: Aelis Sex: F Birth: ABT 0857/0858 in Paris, France Death: ABT 10 Nov 0901 Reference Number: Newlin,Wai _UID: 6A6DB71AF2CD084591B890008ABED6A34EDC Note: !2nd wife of Louis II. [Desc. of Charlemagne] NEWLIN, WAITE LINES - 31st ggrandmother Dau. of Beggen/Bego, Count of Paris, and Alpaide; m. Louis II the Stammerer mother of Charles III the Simple. [Judy Martin] Dau. of Begue, Count of Paris; m. Louis II of France; mother of Charles III andErmentrude. [GRS 3.03, Automated Archives, CD1, CD00 Author: Automated Archives, Inc. Publication: Genealogical Research From 'Glick/Foster Ancestry' at Rootsweb.com Children: 1. Ermentrude of France, Princess of FranceBorn ± ABT. 876 at Paris, Seine, France Name: Ermentrude, Princess of FRANCE Surname: France Given Name: Ermentrude, Princess of Sex: F Birth: ABT 0876 in France Reference Number: Foster,Wai _UID: 996AC787FFA08E439AF3419A38002642C9A9 Note: Dau. of Adelaide of Paris and Louis II, king of the West Franks. [GRS 3.03, Automated Archives, CD1, CD00 Author: Automated Archives, Inc. Publication: Genealogical Research System, 1994 From 'Glick/Foster Ancestry' at Rootsweb.com 2. Charles of France, King of the FranksBorn Sep 17, 879 at Name: Charles III the Simple, King of the FRANKS Surname: Franks Given Name: Charles III the Simple, King of the Sex: M Birth: 17 Sep 0879 in France Christening: 17 Nov 0879 Death: 7 Oct 0929 in Prison, Peronne, Austrasia Burial: St. Fursi, Peronne, S, France Reference Number: Newlin,Wai _UID: A5BCBE43961FB443B4F724630EF040931122 Note: FOSTER, NEWLIN, WAITE LINES - 30th ggrandfather !King of France (898-922). Called Charles the Simple, he was the posthumous son of King Louis II. Although Charles claimed the French throne during the reign of Eudes, count of Paris (r. 888-98) he was not acknowledged king until 898. His reign is plagued by raids of Scandinavian Vikings, to whom he finally ceded (911) much of what later was called Normandy. Charles was deposed in 922 by his chief vassals and imprisoned in Peronne from 923 until his death. [Funk & Wagnalls] !M. 2. Edgina/Eadgifu, dau. of Edward the Elder, King of England; father of Louis IV, d'Outre Mer, King of the Franks. [Ped. of Charlemagne, Vol. I, p. 164, 264] !Charles II the Simple, king of France, married Princess Eadgifu of England. [Chronicle of the Royal Family, p. 17] Son of Louis II Franks and Adelaide Franks; m. Frederune Hamaland; father of: 1. Ementrude who m. Godfrey of Lorraine 2. Alpais who m. Erlebald de Chimay [Michael Thissen 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 Change Date: 4 Jul 2003 at 21:56:51 Father: Louis II the Stammerer le Begue CAROLINGIAN King of Franks b: 1 Nov 0846 in France Mother: Adelaide, Queen of the FRANKS b: ABT 0857/0858 in Paris, France Marriage 1 Eadgifu, Princess of WESSEX b: ABT 0905 in Wessex, England Married: 0918 in ,,,England Children Louis IV the Simple of the Franks D'OUTRE-MER Transmarinus KING b: 10 Sep 0920 in of Laon,Aisne,France Gisella, Princess of FRANCE b: ABT 0922 in Normandy, France Charles de COURCY Prince of France b: ABT 0925 in Courcy, Ardennes, France Marriage 2 Frederune HAMALAND b: ABT 0895 Married: 18 Apr 0907 in France Children Ementrude de FRANCE b: ABT 0908 in France Alpais de FRANCE b: ABT 0915 in France Sources: Repository: Name: Cheryl Varner Library Title: Pedigrees of Some of the Emperor Charlemagne's Descendants, Vol. III Author: Buck, J. Orton; Beard, Timothy Field Publication: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., Baltimore, 1988 Repository: Name: Cheryl Varner Library Title: Funk & Wagnalls New Encyclopedia Author: Bram, Leon L. V.P. and Ed. Dir.; Dickey, Norma H. Editor-in-Chief Publication: Funk & Wagnalls, Inc., 1986 Title: Pedigrees of Some of the Emperor Charlemagne's Descendants, Vol. I Author: von Redlich, Marcellus Donald Alexander R. Publication: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., Baltimore, 1986 Page: pp. 164, 264 Repository: Name: Cheryl Varner Library Title: Chronicle of the Royal Family Author: Mercer, Derrik, ed. Publication: Jacques Legrand, London, 1991 Page: p. 17 Title: Tableaux Genealogiques des Souverains de la France et de seu Grands Feudataires Publication: Paris, 1863 Page: Table IV Title: Die Nachkommen Karls de Grossen Page: Vol. 11, p. 3 Title: Plantagenet Ancestry of King Edward III and Queen Philippa Author: Moriarty, George Edward Publication: Pioneer Genealogical Society, Salt Lake City, 1985 Page: p. 171 Title: Royal Genealogies Author: Anderson Call Number: Eng 130 Page: pp. 451, 616 Title: Keiser und Koenig History Call Number: Gen Hist 25 Page: Pt. 1, p. 9 Title: Betham's Genealogy Tables Page: Table 253 Repository: Name: Cheryl Varner Library Title: The Oxford History of Medieval Europe Author: Holmes, George, ed. Publication: Oxford University Press, Oxford and New York, 1992 Title: Royal Ancestors of Some American Families Author: Call, Michel Publication: Salt Lake City, 1989, 1991 Page: Chart 520 From 'Glick/Foster Ancestry' at Rootsweb.com | |||