 Robert of Alencon "Seigneur of Alencon & Belesme, Robert of Alencon" Montgomery, son of Roger "Earl of Arundel" Montgomery, 1st Earl of Shrewsbury and Mabel Talvas of Belesme, Countess of Shrewsbury.Born between 1052 BET., - and at of Belesme, of Alencon, France, died May 8, 1131 at of Shrewsbury, England Name: Robert de ALENCON Seignior of Belesme and of Alencon Surname: Alencon Given Name: Robert de NSFX: Seignior of Belesme and of Alencon _AKA: Robert Le de Spencer Sex: M Birth: ABT 1052/1054 in of Belesme,S.Mnch,of Alencon,France Death: 8 May 1131 in of Shrewsbury,England Reference Number: Foster,Min _UID: 53CDCF079C8E0146BCD5F648AB8160FEC096 Note: !Supported Robert, Duke of Normandy, for the throne of England against Henry I. He stood at the head of the baronage in wealth and power and his summons to the King's Court to answer for his refusal of aid to the King was answered by a haughty defiance. He was suffered to retire to his estates in Normandy, but his English lands were confiscated to the Crown. [WBH - England] FOSTER, MINOR, NEWLIN LINES !William II's chief lay castle-builder was Robert, Lord of Belleme, a warrior who was also described as a 'skilfull artificer', and who was responsible for castles at Arundel, Gloucester, Bridgnorth, Shrewsbury and Tickhill, and perhaps others. Arundel is listed among the outstanding shell-keep castles of the years 1100-50. [Castles of England, Scotland and Wales, pp. 13, 14, 16, 21, 29, 196, 203] !Robert stood at the head of the baronage in wealth and power: and his summons to the King's Court to answer for his refusal of aid to the King was answered by a haughty defiance. 60,000 Englishmen followed Henry to the attack of Robert's strongholds along the Welsh border. It was in vain that the nobles about the King, conscious that Robert's fall left them helpless in Henry's hands, strove to bring about a peace. Only an early surrender saved Robert's life. He was suffered to retire to his estates in Normandy, but his English lands were confiscated to the Crown. Later King Henry was called to Normandy where the misgovernment of Duke Robert had alienated the clergy and tradesfolk, and where the outrages of nobles like Robert of Belesme forced the more peaceful classes to call the King to their aid. They met on the battlefield of Tenchebray. [Nations of the World - England, p. 150-1] !No one of the Norman chieftains was more cruel or rapacious, no one more powerful. King Henry I had surrounded him with spies, and preferred many charges against him of the heaviest nature. The earl fled to his castles, and refused to appear to abide a trial. Henry immediately called out the whole military force of the country, so formidable was this baron. His castles of Arundel and Blythe surrendered; and Bridgenorth, after a long siege, was opened to the royal troops. Robert had possession of Shrewsbury, and the king marched with a vast army to besiege the town, by a road called the "Huvel Hegen" (the Evil Hedge). This road, which in some places is so narrow two horses can barely pass, was the only road to Shrewsbury. King Henry had 60,000 troops to get to the battle who he ordered to cut a wide thoroughfare through these woods for his passage and as a public highway thereafter. The rebel earl surrendered, and was banished. [Knight's Popular History, Vol. 1, p. 265-6] Count of Alencon and Seignior of Belesme; son of Roger de Montgomery and Mabel de Belesme. Inherited his father's Norman estates and on the death of his bro. Hugh, purchased his English earldoms from William Rufus for 3000 pounds, which he forfeited in 1102, when he rebelled against King Henry I and was banished from England. [Falaise Roll, p. 80, 101] William/Guillaume de Pantoul took arms against him; Robert as third Earl of Shrewsbury, disinherited him. But going over to King Henry I, William was largely instrumental in crushing de Belesme at Bridgenorth, on which account he was given the custody of the castle of Stafford and his estates were restored to him. [Falaise Roll, p. 46] Treacherously abandoned his partisans when he saw the outcome of the battle in doubt. His co-conspirators, Duke Robert, William earl Mortain, William Crispin and William de Ferrers were all captured and horribly tortured. [Falaise Roll, p. 92] Earl of Shrewsbury who rose in revolt in 1102 had his earldom abolished. [A History of Wales, p. 112] b.c. 1052 [Mayflower PAF] m. Agnes of Ponthieu. [Falaise Roll, p. 127] Son of Roger de Montgomery; attainted after rebelling against Henry I. [Arundel Castle, p. 22] Count of Alencon; oldest son of Roger de Montgomery II and successor in Normandy to his vast estates which he still held for his father Roger as his chief domain. In 1098 Robert purchased from William Rufus for 3000 pounds all of the family domains in England, which included the earldom of Arundel, Chichester and Shrewsbury. Described as a 'novice in arms' at the Conquest, but who might have been 40 by the Domesday, represented his father Earl Roger, and created some confusion in the records. [Shropshire and the Domesday Book in 1086 Beatrix de Builli and Robert, Earl of Eu were deprived of their inheritance, and Robert de Belleme, on some plea of kindred, obtained a grant of all the possessions of Roger de Busli from William the Red. But this merciless oppressor did not retain them long. He espoused the cause of Duke Robert, was defeated, and expelled from England by Henry I in 1102. [Ken Markham 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Change Date: 19 Mar 2003 at 17:13:01 Father: Roger II de MONTGOMERY Earl of Arundel b: ABT 1005 in St. Germain de Montgomery,Calvados,Normandy Mother: Mabel Talvas BELESME Countess of Shrewsbury b: ABT 1015/1020 in of Belesme,Bell,of Alencon,France Marriage 1 Agnes de PONTHIEU Countess of Ponthieu b: ABT 1060 in of Ponthieu,of Montreuil,Normandy,France Married: 9 Sep 1087 Children William TALVAS MONTGOMERY DESPENCER Count of Alencon and Ponthieu b: ABT 1090/1095 in of Alencon,and Ponthieu,Normandy,France Sources: Repository: Name: Cheryl Varner Library Title: World's Best Histories: England Author: Green, John Richard Publication: The Co-operative Publication Society, New York and London, n.d. Repository: Name: Cheryl Varner Library Title: Castles of England, Scotland and Wales Author: Johnson, Paul Publication: Harper Perennial, New York, 1978 Page: p. 13-14, 16, 21, 29, 196, 203 Repository: Name: Cheryl Varner Library Title: The Nations of the World Series: England Author: Green, John Richard; Hawthorne, Julian Publication: Peter Fenelon Collier, New York, 1908 Page: p. 150-151 Repository: Name: Cheryl Varner Library Title: The Popular History of England Author: Knight, Charles Publication: T.Y. Crowell, New York, c. 1854 Page: Vol. I, p. 265-266 Repository: Name: Cheryl Varner Library Title: Falaise Roll: Recording Prominent Companions of William Duke of Normandy at the Conquest of England Author: Crispin, M. Jackson; Macary, Leonce; with additions and corrections by G. Andrews Moriarty Publication: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 1994 Page: p. 46, 80, 92, 101, 127 Repository: Name: Cheryl Varner Library Title: A History of Wales Author: Davies, John Publication: Allen Lane, The Penguin Press, London, 1993 Page: p. 112 Title: Royal Ancestors of Some American Families Author: Call, Michel Publication: Salt Lake City, 1989, 1991 Page: 355, 466 Repository: Name: Cheryl Varner Library Title: Arundel Castle Author: Robinson, John Martin Publication: Arundel Castle Trustees Ltd., West Sussex, n.d. Page: p. 22 From 'Glick/Foster Ancestry' at Rootsweb.com Married Sep 9, 1087 (at least 13 years married) to:  Agnes of Ponthieu, Countess of Ponthieu, daughter of Guy of "Count of Ponthieu" Ponthieu, Bishop of Amiens and Ada of Amiens.Born ± ABT. 1060 at of Ponthieu, of Montreuil, Normandy, France, died after 8 AFT., Oct at Abbeville, Ponthieu, Picardy, France Name: Agnes de PONTHIEU Countess of Ponthieu Surname: Ponthieu Given Name: Agnes de NSFX: Countess of Ponthieu Sex: F Birth: ABT 1060 in of Ponthieu,of Montreuil,Normandy,France Death: AFT 8 Oct 1100 Reference Number: 1485 _UID: AD0B75033B1420488201E4FB045A8C66995C Note: !Royal Ancestors of Some American Families by Michel Call SLC 1989 66; FOSTER, MINOR, NEWLIN LINES Heiress of Ponthieu and Montreuil; m. Robert de Belleme Montgomery; mother of William I Talvas, Count of Alencon, Ponthieu and Montreuil. [Charlemagne & Others, Chart 2914, 3364b, 3365b] Dau. of Guy, comte de Ponthieu, and Ada; m. Robert de Belesme. Still living at the time of her father's death c. 1100. [Falaise Roll, p. 127] Change Date: 19 Mar 2003 at 17:13:05 Father: Guy, Count of PONTHIEU Bishop of Amiens b: ABT 1030 in of Ponthieu, France Mother: Ada of AMIENS b: ABT 1034 in of Amiens, France Marriage 1 Robert de ALENCON Seignior of Belesme and of Alencon b: ABT 1052/1054 in of Belesme,S.Mnch,of Alencon,France Married: 9 Sep 1087 Children William TALVAS MONTGOMERY DESPENCER Count of Alencon and Ponthieu b: ABT 1090/1095 in of Alencon,and Ponthieu,Normandy,France From 'Glick/Foster Ancestry' at Rootsweb.com Child: 1. William Talvas Montgomery "Count of Alencon & Ponthieu, William Talvas Montgo" DespencerBorn between 1090 BET., - and at of Alencon and Ponthieu, Normandy, France, died Jun 30, 1171 at of Ellington, Lincolnshire, England Name: William TALVAS MONTGOMERY DESPENCER Count of Alencon and Ponthieu Surname: Talvas Montgomery Despencer Given Name: William NSFX: Count of Alencon and Ponthieu Sex: M Birth: ABT 1090/1095 in of Alencon,and Ponthieu,Normandy,France Death: 30 Jun 1171 in of Ellington,Lincolnshire,England Reference Number: 742 _UID: F453DC90A4E15A4383E049C501CCF0EDF0AB Note: FOSTER, WAITE, NEWLIN LINES Count of Alencon, Ponthieu and Montreuil; son of Robert de Belleme Montgomery and Agnes, heiress of Ponthieu & Montreuil; m. Helie/Alice of Burgundy; father of Gui de Ponthieu. [Charlemagne & Others, Chart 2914] Son of Robert II and Agnes of Ponthieu; m. Alice/Ela of Burgundy; father of Ela/Eva/Adela of Ponthieu and of Guy of Ponthieu. [GRS 3.03, Automated Archives, CD1, CD00 Author: Automated Archives, Inc. Publication: Genealogical Research System, 1994 Repository: Name: Cheryl Varner Library Title: World Family Tree Volume 12, pre-1600 to present Author: Family Tree Maker Publication: Broderbund Software, Inc., 1997 Page: Ped 3606 Repository: Name: Cheryl Varner Library Title: World Family Tree Volume 22, pre-1600 to present Author: Family Tree Maker Publication: Broderbund Software, 1998 Page: Ped 708 From 'Glick/Foster Ancestry' at Rootsweb.com | |||
| 2nd marriage Robert of Alencon "Seigneur of Alencon & Belesme, Robert of Alencon" Montgomery, son of Roger "Earl of Arundel" Montgomery, 1st Earl of Shrewsbury and Mabel Talvas of Belesme, Countess of Shrewsbury.Married Sep 9, 1087 (43 years married) to: N.N. Child: 1. William Talvas Montgomery "Count of Alencon & Ponthieu, William Talvas Montgo" DespencerBorn between 1090 BET., - and at of Alencon and Ponthieu, Normandy, France, died Jun 30, 1171 at of Ellington, Lincolnshire, England Name: William TALVAS MONTGOMERY DESPENCER Count of Alencon and Ponthieu Surname: Talvas Montgomery Despencer Given Name: William NSFX: Count of Alencon and Ponthieu Sex: M Birth: ABT 1090/1095 in of Alencon,and Ponthieu,Normandy,France Death: 30 Jun 1171 in of Ellington,Lincolnshire,England Reference Number: 742 _UID: F453DC90A4E15A4383E049C501CCF0EDF0AB Note: FOSTER, WAITE, NEWLIN LINES Count of Alencon, Ponthieu and Montreuil; son of Robert de Belleme Montgomery and Agnes, heiress of Ponthieu & Montreuil; m. Helie/Alice of Burgundy; father of Gui de Ponthieu. [Charlemagne & Others, Chart 2914] Son of Robert II and Agnes of Ponthieu; m. Alice/Ela of Burgundy; father of Ela/Eva/Adela of Ponthieu and of Guy of Ponthieu. [GRS 3.03, Automated Archives, CD1, CD00 Author: Automated Archives, Inc. Publication: Genealogical Research System, 1994 Repository: Name: Cheryl Varner Library Title: World Family Tree Volume 12, pre-1600 to present Author: Family Tree Maker Publication: Broderbund Software, Inc., 1997 Page: Ped 3606 Repository: Name: Cheryl Varner Library Title: World Family Tree Volume 22, pre-1600 to present Author: Family Tree Maker Publication: Broderbund Software, 1998 Page: Ped 708 From 'Glick/Foster Ancestry' at Rootsweb.com | |||