woman Joan of England Princess of North Wales‏‎, daughter of John, "Lackland" Plantagenet King of England , King of England and Agatha de Ferrers‏.
Born ‎± 1188 at of,London,Middlesex,England, died ‎ Feb 1237 at ,Abner,Carnarvonshire,Wales‎, approximately 49 years, buried ‎ at ,Llanvaens,Anglesey,Wales
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ES III:356b credits John with two illegitimate children by Agatha deFerrers
- Joan and Richard.

"Magna Charta Barons" by Charles H. Browning, copyright 1969 (I'munsure of the overall reliability of this source), gives Joan's motheras Agatha de Ferrers, daughter of Robert de Ferrers, fourth Earl ofDerby.

The journal "The Plantagenet Connection" has published an ahnentafelof Elizabeth Plantagenet, wife of Henry VII, which gives Joan'smother's name as Constance (Clementia) of Brittany. This is the sameConstance who was married to Geoffrey Plantagenet, John's brother.Considering the well-known animosity between Constance and John andher attempts to press her own son Arthur's interests as far as thethrone of England were concerned (whom John murdered with his ownhands) the relationship seems unlikely. The Constance that historyportrays does not seem as one who John could easily seduce or coerceinto bed.

Others suggest her mother was Clemantina, the wife of Henry Pinel.

Penman, Sharon Kay. "Here Be Dragons". New York: Ballatine Books,June
1993.
Penman, Sharon Kay. "Falls The Shaow". New York: Ballatine Books,May
1989.
Lewis, Marlyn (compiler for "The Plantagenet Connection"). "Ahnentafelfor
Elizabeth Plantagenet (Wife of Henry Tudor): Generations 1-15".Arvada, Colorado:
Heliotrope Communications, 1996.
Wurts, John C. "Magna Charta". Copyright 1945.
Browning, Charles H. "Magna Charta Barons". Copyright 1969.
Adams, Arthur and Frederick Weis. "Magna Charta Sureties". Copyright1955.
Sir J. E. Lloyd's "History of Wales", Vol.II


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Married ‎ 1206 at England (30 or 31 years married) to:

man Llewelyn Ap Iorwerth Prince of Wales , Prince of Wales‏‎, son of Iorwerth "Drwyndwn" ap Owain and Margred Verch Madog‏. Adoption parents: N.N. and N.N.
Born ‎ 1173 at of,Aberffraw Castle,Anglsy,North Wales, died ‎ ABR 11, 1240 at Aberconway,Carnarvonshire,Wales‎, 66 or 67 years, 1st marriage to: Tangwystl Verch Llywarch, ‎2nd marriage to: Joan of England Princess of North Wales, 3rd married/ related to: Eve FitzWarin, 4th marriage to: Gwenllian verch Ednyfed , of Brynffenigl Fychan

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Children:

1.
woman Gwladus Wentelina Princess N Wales , Princess N Wales‏‎
Born ‎± 1205 at of,Wales, died ‎ 1251 at Windsor,Berkshire,England‎, approximately 46 years
2.
woman Helen Verch Llewelyn Princess , Princess‏
Born ‎± 1206 at of,Gwynedd,Wales, died ‎before Oct 24, 1253 at of,Chester,Cheshire,England‎

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3.
man Dafydd Prince N Wales , Prince N Wales‏
Born ‎± 1209 at of,Gwyndd,Wales, died ‎ Mar 1245/1246‎, approximately 36 years
4.
woman Angharad Llewelyn [Prs/N.Wales] , [Prs/N.Wales]‏
Born ‎± 1215 at of,Aberffraw,Anglsy,Wales‎
5.
woman Margaret Verch Llewelyn‏
Born ‎± 1221 at of,Gwynedd,Wales‎
6.
woman Margred Verch Llywelyn‏‎
Born ‎± 1206‎
7.
woman Marared Drwyndon verch Llywelyn , of Wales Fawr‏
Born ‎between 1202 and 1208, died ‎ 1263‎

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8.
man Tegwared-y-Bais Wen ap Llywelyn Fawr‏
Born ‎ May 1205, died ‎± Apr 1235‎, approximately 29 years
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"Welsh Genealogies" by Peter C. Bartrum


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9.
woman Angharad verch Llywelyn , of Wales Fawr‏
Born ‎ May 1205‎

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10.
man Dafydd ap Llywelyn , Prince of Gwynedd Fawr‏
Born ‎ Nov 1208 at Gwynedd,Wales, died ‎ Feb 1245/1246 at Aberconwy,Arllechwedd Uchaf,Caernarvonshire,Wales‎, approximately 36 years

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2nd marriage
woman Joan of England Princess of North Wales‏‎, daughter of John, "Lackland" Plantagenet King of England , King of England and Agatha de Ferrers‏.

Married ‎± Oct 1228 (approximately 1 years married) to:

man William "Black Will" de Braose Lord Brecknock‏‎, son of N.N. and N.N.‏.
Born ‎between 1196 and 1204 at Brecknock,Surrey,England, died ‎ May 2, 1230 at Wales‎, 1st married/ related to: N.N., ‎2nd marriage to: Joan of England Princess of North Wales
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Weis' Ancestral Roots Shows Gracia de Briwere as his mother; however,if Gwladus Ddu "the Dark Eyed" verch Llewelyn, his father's 2nd wife,was his mother (his maternal parentage is debated), then he wasexecuted by his own grandfather, Llywelyn Fawr ap Iorwerth Prince ofWales.

SRCES:
Weis/Sheppard Magna Carta Sureties
Weis/Sheppard Ancestral Roots, 7th Ed.
Complete Peerage
Dict. Nat. Biog.
Visit. Shropshire (St.Peter pedigree)
Bromfield's Norfolk
Pedigrees from Plea Rolls
a series of articles on Braose in vol 4-6 of The Genealogist (the oldone)

Bartrum's Welsh Pedigrees lists him as son of Gracia.


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One interesting story from Joan and Llywelyn's marriage: about1230/1231,
Llywelyn returned home unexpectedly to find Joan alone in theirbedroom with
William de Braose. This story is recounted in "Here Be Dragons" andone
other "purely historical" source. William was later hanged onLlywelyn's order.

From "The Genealogist" article by Wm. Addams Reitwiesner: He wasdiscovered in Joan's chambers, accused of being her lover, andpromptly
and publicly hanged. While the story that William and Joan werelovers has
been generally accepted, the Annals of Margam (in T. Gale, ed ,Historiae
Britannicae et Anglicanae Scriptores XX (Oxford, 1687), 2-18, [anno]MCCXXX)
implies that the "intimacy" was devised by Llywelyn to avenge himselfon
William for political injuries inflicted not only by William but bythe entire
Braose family; the execution was hailed by the Welsh as a vindicationof a
blood-feud against the Braoses dating from at least 1176. Indeed,shortly
after the execution Llywelyn wrote to William's widow Eva and toWilliam
Marshal, Earl of Pembroke, Eva's brother, stating, in effect, that sofar as
he was concerned, the intended marriage between Llywelyn's son Dafyddand
Eva's daughter Isabella could go forward as planned, and that he couldnot
have prevented the Welsh magnates from taking their vengeance. See J.Goronwy Edwards, Calendar of Ancient Correspondence concerning Wales(Board of Celtic Studies of the University of Wales, History and LawSeries, 2)(Cardiff, 1935), pp 51-52, nos. XI.56a, 56b. The marriagein fact took place three months later.