Joan of England Princess of North Wales, daughter of John, "Lackland" Plantagenet King of England , King of England and Agatha de Ferrers. Born ± 1188 at of,London,Middlesex,England, died Feb 1237 at ,Abner,Carnarvonshire,Wales, approximately 49 years, buried at ,Llanvaens,Anglesey,Wales [Pullen010502.FTW] ES III:356b credits John with two illegitimate children by Agatha deFerrers - Joan and Richard. "Magna Charta Barons" by Charles H. Browning, copyright 1969 (I'munsure of the overall reliability of this source), gives Joan's motheras Agatha de Ferrers, daughter of Robert de Ferrers, fourth Earl ofDerby. The journal "The Plantagenet Connection" has published an ahnentafelof Elizabeth Plantagenet, wife of Henry VII, which gives Joan'smother's name as Constance (Clementia) of Brittany. This is the sameConstance who was married to Geoffrey Plantagenet, John's brother.Considering the well-known animosity between Constance and John andher attempts to press her own son Arthur's interests as far as thethrone of England were concerned (whom John murdered with his ownhands) the relationship seems unlikely. The Constance that historyportrays does not seem as one who John could easily seduce or coerceinto bed. Others suggest her mother was Clemantina, the wife of Henry Pinel. Penman, Sharon Kay. "Here Be Dragons". New York: Ballatine Books,June 1993. Penman, Sharon Kay. "Falls The Shaow". New York: Ballatine Books,May 1989. Lewis, Marlyn (compiler for "The Plantagenet Connection"). "Ahnentafelfor Elizabeth Plantagenet (Wife of Henry Tudor): Generations 1-15".Arvada, Colorado: Heliotrope Communications, 1996. Wurts, John C. "Magna Charta". Copyright 1945. Browning, Charles H. "Magna Charta Barons". Copyright 1969. Adams, Arthur and Frederick Weis. "Magna Charta Sureties". Copyright1955. Sir J. E. Lloyd's "History of Wales", Vol.II Downloaded from Bradford_Taylor on rootsweb.com Married 1206 at England (30 or 31 years married) to: Llewelyn Ap Iorwerth Prince of Wales , Prince of Wales, son of Iorwerth "Drwyndwn" ap Owain and Margred Verch Madog. Adoption parents: N.N. and N.N. Born 1173 at of,Aberffraw Castle,Anglsy,North Wales, died ABR 11, 1240 at Aberconway,Carnarvonshire,Wales, 66 or 67 years, 1st marriage to: Tangwystl Verch Llywarch, 2nd marriage to: Joan of England Princess of North Wales, 3rd married/ related to: Eve FitzWarin, 4th marriage to: Gwenllian verch Ednyfed , of Brynffenigl Fychan Downloaded from Bradford_Taylor on rootsweb.com Children: 1. Gwladus Wentelina Princess N Wales , Princess N WalesBorn ± 1205 at of,Wales, died 1251 at Windsor,Berkshire,England, approximately 46 years 2. Helen Verch Llewelyn Princess , PrincessBorn ± 1206 at of,Gwynedd,Wales, died before Oct 24, 1253 at of,Chester,Cheshire,England Downloaded from Bradford_Taylor on rootsweb.com 3. Dafydd Prince N Wales , Prince N WalesBorn ± 1209 at of,Gwyndd,Wales, died Mar 1245/1246, approximately 36 years 6. Margred Verch LlywelynBorn ± 1206 7. Marared Drwyndon verch Llywelyn , of Wales FawrBorn between 1202 and 1208, died 1263 Downloaded from Bradford_Taylor on rootsweb.com 8. Tegwared-y-Bais Wen ap Llywelyn FawrBorn May 1205, died ± Apr 1235, approximately 29 years [Pullen010502.FTW] "Welsh Genealogies" by Peter C. Bartrum Downloaded from Bradford_Taylor on rootsweb.com 9. Angharad verch Llywelyn , of Wales FawrBorn May 1205 Downloaded from Bradford_Taylor on rootsweb.com 10. Dafydd ap Llywelyn , Prince of Gwynedd FawrBorn Nov 1208 at Gwynedd,Wales, died Feb 1245/1246 at Aberconwy,Arllechwedd Uchaf,Caernarvonshire,Wales, approximately 36 years Downloaded from Bradford_Taylor on rootsweb.com |
2nd marriage Joan of England Princess of North Wales, daughter of John, "Lackland" Plantagenet King of England , King of England and Agatha de Ferrers. Married ± Oct 1228 (approximately 1 years married) to: William "Black Will" de Braose Lord Brecknock, son of N.N. and N.N.. Born between 1196 and 1204 at Brecknock,Surrey,England, died May 2, 1230 at Wales, 1st married/ related to: N.N., 2nd marriage to: Joan of England Princess of North Wales [Pullen010502.FTW] Weis' Ancestral Roots Shows Gracia de Briwere as his mother; however,if Gwladus Ddu "the Dark Eyed" verch Llewelyn, his father's 2nd wife,was his mother (his maternal parentage is debated), then he wasexecuted by his own grandfather, Llywelyn Fawr ap Iorwerth Prince ofWales. SRCES: Weis/Sheppard Magna Carta Sureties Weis/Sheppard Ancestral Roots, 7th Ed. Complete Peerage Dict. Nat. Biog. Visit. Shropshire (St.Peter pedigree) Bromfield's Norfolk Pedigrees from Plea Rolls a series of articles on Braose in vol 4-6 of The Genealogist (the oldone) Bartrum's Welsh Pedigrees lists him as son of Gracia. Downloaded from Bradford_Taylor on rootsweb.com [Pullen010502.FTW] One interesting story from Joan and Llywelyn's marriage: about1230/1231, Llywelyn returned home unexpectedly to find Joan alone in theirbedroom with William de Braose. This story is recounted in "Here Be Dragons" andone other "purely historical" source. William was later hanged onLlywelyn's order. From "The Genealogist" article by Wm. Addams Reitwiesner: He wasdiscovered in Joan's chambers, accused of being her lover, andpromptly and publicly hanged. While the story that William and Joan werelovers has been generally accepted, the Annals of Margam (in T. Gale, ed ,Historiae Britannicae et Anglicanae Scriptores XX (Oxford, 1687), 2-18, [anno]MCCXXX) implies that the "intimacy" was devised by Llywelyn to avenge himselfon William for political injuries inflicted not only by William but bythe entire Braose family; the execution was hailed by the Welsh as a vindicationof a blood-feud against the Braoses dating from at least 1176. Indeed,shortly after the execution Llywelyn wrote to William's widow Eva and toWilliam Marshal, Earl of Pembroke, Eva's brother, stating, in effect, that sofar as he was concerned, the intended marriage between Llywelyn's son Dafyddand Eva's daughter Isabella could go forward as planned, and that he couldnot have prevented the Welsh magnates from taking their vengeance. See J.Goronwy Edwards, Calendar of Ancient Correspondence concerning Wales(Board of Celtic Studies of the University of Wales, History and LawSeries, 2)(Cardiff, 1935), pp 51-52, nos. XI.56a, 56b. The marriagein fact took place three months later. |