Bonne Adelaide de Lorraine, daughter of Gottfried "The Old" Count of Verdun and Matilda Billung of Saxony. Adoption parents: N.N. and Matilda Billung of Saxony Born ± 953 at ,Ardenne,France, died 979 at Y, approximately 26 years Name Suffix: GEDCOM line 18722 not recognizable or too long: () 2 GIVN Adelaide Per Weis' "Ancestral Roots. . ." (148:19), (149:19), her parentage is unknown. This page is just a start. Not all information has bee varified. This page is just a start. Not all information has bee varified. Married ± 972 (approximately 7 years married) to: Charles I le Gros, Duke of Lower Lorraine, son of Louis IV "Transmarinus" King Of France and Gerberga of Saxony Abbess of Notre Dame , Abbess of Notre Dame. Born 953 at Laon,Champagne, baptized at France - son of Louis IV, died May 21, 992 at Kerker,Orlbeans,France, 38 or 39 years, buried at St. Servatius,Maastricht. Occupation: Duc de Basse-Lorraine (Brabant) (976), 1st marriage to: Bonne Adelaide de Lorraine, 2nd married/ related to: N.N., 3rd married/ related to: Adelaise De Vermandois Name Suffix: Ancestral File Number: ?? Line 4249: (New PAF RIN=339) 1 NAME Charles Prince Of The /FRANKS/ ?? Line 4250: (New PAF RIN=339) 1 TITL [Duke of Lorraine] OCCU Duke of Lorraine ... SOUR 1CHARL.TXT (Compuserve) says 953, Rheims, France; members.aol.com/sargen3 says BEF 953, Laon, Aisne, France; COMYNI.GED (Compuserve) says ABT 953; Royalty for Commoners, Roderick W. Stuart, p. 88 SOUR Americans of Royal Descent, Charles H. Browning, 425 says 992; Royalty for Commoners, Roderick W. Stuart, p. 88; COLLINS.ROY (Compuserve) says 991; HAWKINS.GED Charles d'Outremer - 1CHARL.TXT (Compuserve);Duke of Bas-Lorraine - COMYN4.TAF (Compuserve), p. 24; Caroling - COMYNI.GED (Compuserve); Charles of Laon,Aisne , France; Duke of Lower Lorraine, Prince of France, set aside for the French throne by Hugh Capet - Royalty for Commoners, Roderick W. Stuart, p. 88; Duke of Nether Lorraine - Americans of Royal Descent, Charles H. Browning, p. 380 CHARLES, son of LOUIS IV and GERBERGA DE SAXONIE, Duke of Nether Lorraine and Brabant, the heir, but excluded from the throne. Bonne, Countess d' Arderne was his 1st wife - Americans of Royal Descent, Charles H. Browning, p. 409 Duke of Lower Lorraine - HAWKINS.GED TITL tree1.ged REPO CALN MEDI Other DATA TEXT Date of Import: Oct 20, 1999 TITL tree1.ged REPO CALN MEDI Other DATA TEXT Date of Import: Oct 20, 1999 TITL tree1.ged REPO CALN MEDI Other DATA TEXT Date of Import: Oct 20, 1999 GIVN Charles I of SURN LORRAINE NSFX * Younger son of the Frankish King Louis IV, of the Carolingian line. Charles I received Lower Lorraine as a duch from Holy Roman EmperorOtto II in 977. Charles aided Otto again Lothair of Italy. Charles I was defeated by Hugh Capet in attempt to secure the Frankish crown in 987.He was taken prisoner, held at Orleans, where he died ca. 992. EVEN of the Germans TYPE Prisoner DATE 959 PLAC Germany Charles 1st of Lorraine was taken prisoner by the Germans in 859. Hiskingdom of Lorraine was then divided into two duchies, Mosel andBrabant as vassal states under the German crown of Otto I the Great. ABBR Trager's Chronology PAGE Henrickson's Chronicles AD951-960 DATE 24 APR 2000 Source: Tim Sandberg's GEDCOM V. Oct. 29, 2001 WARNING! THIS GENEALOGY IS, AND WILL REMAIN FOREVER, A WORK IN PROGRESS. THE AUTHOR IS NOT A PROFESSIONAL GENEALOGIST, BUT HAS TRIED TO VERIFY ALL DATA. IT CANNOT BE GUARANTEED FREE OF ERRORS! OCCU Duke of Lorraine ... SOUR 1CHARL.TXT (Compuserve) says 953, Rheims, France; members.aol.com/sargen3 says BEF 953, Laon, Aisne, France; COMYNI.GED (Compuserve) says ABT 953; Royalty for Commoners, Roderick W. Stuart, p. 88 SOUR Americans of Royal Descent, Charles H. Browning, 425 says 992; Royalty for Commoners, Roderick W. Stuart, p. 88; COLLINS.ROY (Compuserve) says 991; HAWKINS.GED Charles d'Outremer - 1CHARL.TXT (Compuserve);Duke of Bas-Lorraine - COMYN4.TAF (Compuserve), p. 24; Caroling - COMYNI.GED (Compuserve); Charles of Laon,Aisne , France; Duke of Lower Lorraine, Prince of France, set aside for the French throne by Hugh Capet - Royalty for Commoners, Roderick W. Stuart, p. 88; Duke of Nether Lorraine - Americans of Royal Descent, Charles H. Browning, p. 380 CHARLES, son of LOUIS IV and GERBERGA DE SAXONIE, Duke of Nether Lorraine and Brabant, the heir, but excluded from the throne. Bonne, Countess d' Arderne was his 1st wife - Americans of Royal Descent, Charles H. Browning, p. 409 Duke of Lower Lorraine - HAWKINS.GED TITL tree1.ged REPO CALN MEDI Other DATA TEXT Date of Import: Oct 20, 1999 TITL tree1.ged REPO CALN MEDI Other DATA TEXT Date of Import: Oct 20, 1999 TITL tree1.ged REPO CALN MEDI Other DATA TEXT Date of Import: Oct 20, 1999 GIVN Charles I of SURN LORRAINE NSFX * Younger son of the Frankish King Louis IV, of the Carolingian line. Charles I received Lower Lorraine as a duch from Holy Roman EmperorOtto II in 977. Charles aided Otto again Lothair of Italy. Charles I was defeated by Hugh Capet in attempt to secure the Frankish crown in 987.He was taken prisoner, held at Orleans, where he died ca. 992. EVEN of the Germans TYPE Prisoner DATE 959 PLAC Germany Charles 1st of Lorraine was taken prisoner by the Germans in 859. Hiskingdom of Lorraine was then divided into two duchies, Mosel andBrabant as vassal states under the German crown of Otto I the Great. ABBR Trager's Chronology PAGE Henrickson's Chronicles AD951-960 DATE 24 APR 2000 Source: Tim Sandberg's GEDCOM V. Oct. 29, 2001 WARNING! THIS GENEALOGY IS, AND WILL REMAIN FOREVER, A WORK IN PROGRESS. THE AUTHOR IS NOT A PROFESSIONAL GENEALOGIST, BUT HAS TRIED TO VERIFY ALL DATA. IT CANNOT BE GUARANTEED FREE OF ERRORS! OCCU Duke of Lorraine ... SOUR 1CHARL.TXT (Compuserve) says 953, Rheims, France; members.aol.com/sargen3 says BEF 953, Laon, Aisne, France; COMYNI.GED (Compuserve) says ABT 953; Royalty for Commoners, Roderick W. Stuart, p. 88 SOUR Americans of Royal Descent, Charles H. Browning, 425 says 992; Royalty for Commoners, Roderick W. Stuart, p. 88; COLLINS.ROY (Compuserve) says 991; HAWKINS.GED Charles d'Outremer - 1CHARL.TXT (Compuserve);Duke of Bas-Lorraine - COMYN4.TAF (Compuserve), p. 24; Caroling - COMYNI.GED (Compuserve); Charles of Laon,Aisne , France; Duke of Lower Lorraine, Prince of France, set aside for the French throne by Hugh Capet - Royalty for Commoners, Roderick W. Stuart, p. 88; Duke of Nether Lorraine - Americans of Royal Descent, Charles H. Browning, p. 380 CHARLES, son of LOUIS IV and GERBERGA DE SAXONIE, Duke of Nether Lorraine and Brabant, the heir, but excluded from the throne. Bonne, Countess d' Arderne was his 1st wife - Americans of Royal Descent, Charles H. Browning, p. 409 Duke of Lower Lorraine - HAWKINS.GED TITL tree1.ged REPO CALN MEDI Other DATA TEXT Date of Import: Oct 20, 1999 TITL tree1.ged REPO CALN MEDI Other DATA TEXT Date of Import: Oct 20, 1999 TITL tree1.ged REPO CALN MEDI Other DATA TEXT Date of Import: Oct 20, 1999 GIVN Charles I of SURN LORRAINE NSFX * Younger son of the Frankish King Louis IV, of the Carolingian line. Charles I received Lower Lorraine as a duch from Holy Roman EmperorOtto II in 977. Charles aided Otto again Lothair of Italy. Charles I was defeated by Hugh Capet in attempt to secure the Frankish crown in 987.He was taken prisoner, held at Orleans, where he died ca. 992. EVEN of the Germans TYPE Prisoner DATE 959 PLAC Germany Charles 1st of Lorraine was taken prisoner by the Germans in 859. Hiskingdom of Lorraine was then divided into two duchies, Mosel andBrabant as vassal states under the German crown of Otto I the Great. ABBR Trager's Chronology PAGE Henrickson's Chronicles AD951-960 DATE 24 APR 2000 GEDCOM line 18707 not recognizable or too long: () 2 GIVN Charles GEDCOM line 18708 not recognizable or too long: () 2 SURN of Lorraine GEDCOM line 18709 not recognizable or too long: () 2 NSFX Duke/L Lorraine Per Weis' "Ancestral Roots. . ." (148:19), (149:19), Duke of Lower Lorraine. Seal to Parents: 9 MAY 1955 SLAKE - Salt Lake City, UT Name Suffix: Ancestral File Number: Charles, Prince de France (Stuart, Royalty for Commoners, Page 88, Line 120-35.) (Alain Decaux Andre Castelot, Marcel Jullian et J. Levron, Histoire de La France et des Francais au Jour le Jour (Librairie Academique Perrin, 1976), Tome 1, Page 387). AKA: Charles de Laon. AKA: Charles I, Duke de Lorraine. Born: in 953 in Laon, Ile-de-France, France, son of Louis IV, King de France and Gerberge de Saxe, Some sources assert that this Charles was born in the year 943. Married before 970: Bonne=Adelaide d'Ardenne, daughter of Godefroy, Count d'Ardenne Note - in 977: Charles became the Duke of the Basse-Lorraine [Lower Lorraine] in 977. Died: on 21 May 992 Some sources assert that this Charles died in the year 993. Children: 1. Othon , Duke of Lower Lorraine MartelBorn ± 973 at Lower,Lorraine,France, died between 1004 BET., - and , 31 or 32 years 2. Gerberga (Gerbega) of Brabant Dutchess/Brabant , Dutchess/BrabantBorn ± 975 at Lower,Lorraine,France, died after Jan 27, 1018 GEDCOM line 14111 not recognizable or too long: () 2 GIVN Gerberga (Gerbega) GEDCOM line 14112 not recognizable or too long: () 2 SURN of Brabant GEDCOM line 14113 not recognizable or too long: () 2 NSFX Dutchess/Brabant 3. Ermengarde of LorraineBorn ± 970/975 at Lower,Lorraine,France, died 1044, approximately 74 years GEDCOM line 30438 not recognizable or too long: () 2 GIVN Ermengarde GEDCOM line 30439 not recognizable or too long: () 2 SURN of Lorraine Weis' "Ancestral Roots. . ." (149:20) calls her Ermengarde, but ES calls her Adelheid. abwilson@uclink2.berkeley.edu (Alan B. Wilson) posted to soc.genealogy.medieval on 25 Sep 1997 (in part): Subject: Re: ascend. d'Albert de Namur "Moriarty, "Plantagenet Ancestry," pp. 125 & 128 shows the wife of ALBERT I DE NAMUR to be Ermentrude (Adelaide), daughter of CHARLES, DUKE OF LOWER LORRAINE, and his wife, ADELAIDE, whose parentage is not identified. Weis, "Ancestral Roots," 149:19-20; Winkhaus, "Ahnen zu Karl dem Grossen und Widukind,: pp. 103 & 127; and Schwennicke (ed.), "Europaische Stammtafeln," ii, 1 and vii, 68 similarly identify the wife of ALBERT I DE NAMUR. Christian Settipani, "La prehistoire des Capetiens: 481-987," and Winfred Glocker, "Die Verwandten der Ottonen und ihre Bedeutung in der Polotik," show an ancestry for Ermengarde, wife of ALBERT I DE NAMUR, which differs from Moriarty, et al., as well as from the two versions listed above by Pierre-Yves Roy." [following is my synopsis]: Ermangarde's father was Otto Duke of Lower Lorraine, (970-1006). Otto was the son of Charles , thus inserting a generation beteween Ermengarde and her traditional father. Otto's mother is given as an unnamed daughter of ROBERT DE VERMANDOIS (931/934 - 966), Count of Meaux, Count of Troyes. 5. Gerberge De LorraineBorn ± 977 at Lower,Lorraine,France, died ± 1016, approximately 39 years Seal to Parents: 30 JUN 1943 6. Eudes, Duc de Basse-LorraineBorn ± 979 at Lower,Lorraine,France, died 1005, approximately 26 years. Occupation: Duc de Basse-Lorraine (Brabant) (991) 8. Duke Alto of LothringenBorn 975 9. Duke Karl of LothringenBorn 987 10. Duke Ludwig of LothringenBorn 989 |
2nd marriage Bonne Adelaide de Lorraine, daughter of Gottfried "The Old" Count of Verdun and Matilda Billung of Saxony. Adoption parents: N.N. and Matilda Billung of Saxony Married ± 972 (approximately 7 years married) to: N.N. |
3rd marriage Bonne Adelaide de Lorraine, daughter of Gottfried "The Old" Count of Verdun and Matilda Billung of Saxony. Adoption parents: N.N. and Matilda Billung of Saxony Married ± 972 (approximately 7 years married) to: N.N. |