de Lisle, Mabel 1 2 3
Birth Name | de Lisle, Mabel |
Gender | female |
Age at Death | 44 years |
Narrative
He [Robert de Lisle] married, 1stly, before 1252, Mabel, widowof Hervey, baron of Stafford (died 1241), and daughter of SirRobert DE MUSCEGROS, of Charlton, by Hawise, daughter and coheirof Sir William MALET, of Curry Malet. Robert de Lisle and Mabelquitclaimed to John de Muscegros 10 librates of land inKemarton, co. Gloucester, which Mabel had in free marriage fromher father, and for this and 200 marks John gave her 20 libratesof land in Finborough, Suffolk. Robert married, 2ndly, Alice. Hedied in 1284. His widow was living in 1290. [Complete PeerageVII:70, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
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Hervey de Stafford, son and heir. He m. Mabel, daughter ofRichard de Mucegros. He dsp. before 7 Oct 1241, having left awill. Mabel survived him and was living in Apr 1242. [CompletePeerage XII/1:171]
Note: CP Volume XIV:589 corrects the above and tries to makethis entry agree with VIII:70, by mentioning her 2nd marriage toRobert de Lisle, and making Richard's wife to be Hawise Malet.But I am not sure that the Mabel, daughter of Richard deMucegros is the same as Mabel, daughter of Robert De Muscegros(Richard was father of Robert).
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Note: I have put Mabel's prior marriage in, but I am not sure ithappened, and I haven't changed any estimated birth dates forMabel to facilitate it happening. The CP entry for Herveydescribes his wife Mabel as daughter of Richard de Mucegros(sic.), who I believe was father of Robert de Muscegros. SinceHervey died in 1241, and Robert de Lisle may well have not beenborn in 1241, it is very unusual for a widow to marry as her 2ndhusband, a man who was not born by the time her 1st husbanddied! So I think that the Mabel who married Hervey de Staffordwas daughter of Richard and aunt of this Mabel who m. Robert deLisle.
Events
Event | Date | Place | Description | Sources |
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Birth | 1240 | Charlton Musgrove, Wincanton, Somerset, England | ||
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Death | 1284 | |||
Age: 44y |
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Christening | 2006-07-31 | |||
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Parents
Relation to main person | Name | Birth date | Death date | Relation within this family (if not by birth) |
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Father | de Muscegros, Robert | 1202 | 1253-01-29 | |
Mother | Poyntz, Helewisia | 1202 | 1287-05-04 | |
Brother | de Mucegros, John | 1232-08-10 | 1275-05-08 | |
de Lisle, Mabel | 1240 | 1284 |
Families
Family of de Lisle, Robert and de Lisle, Mabel |
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Married | Husband | de Lisle, Robert ( * 1243 + 1284 ) | ||||||||||||||
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Children |
Name | Birth Date | Death Date |
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de Lisle, Warin | 1263 | 1296-12-07 |