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Re: Green Lantern movie review - share your opinions! [message #244103] Thu, 30 June 2011 18:26 Go to next message
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On Jun 28, 12:36 pm, Arthur Lipscomb <art...@alum.calberkeley.org>
wrote:
> Lucas should have hired some really good writers to draft a script that
> established Anakin and Vader as two separate characters.  Someone who's
> never heard of Star Wars before should be able to watch the prequels and
> Star Wars without realizing Anakin is Vader.  Then when Vader is
> revealed to be Anakin, they should be able to go back and catch various
> clues they glossed over the first time and realize it all adds up.

Star Wars fans discussed that prior to the prequels being released and
the consensus was that spoilers for people who watch them in the wrong
order isn't as wanted as seeing the moment that Anakin-becomes-Vader.

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Re: Green Lantern movie review - share your opinions! [message #244104 is a reply to message #244103] Fri, 01 July 2011 17:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Arthur Lipscomb

On 6/30/2011 3:26 PM, Duggy wrote:
> On Jun 28, 12:36 pm, Arthur Lipscomb<art...@alum.calberkeley.org>
> wrote:
>> Lucas should have hired some really good writers to draft a script that
>> established Anakin and Vader as two separate characters. Someone who's
>> never heard of Star Wars before should be able to watch the prequels and
>> Star Wars without realizing Anakin is Vader. Then when Vader is
>> revealed to be Anakin, they should be able to go back and catch various
>> clues they glossed over the first time and realize it all adds up.
>
> Star Wars fans discussed that prior to the prequels being released and
> the consensus was that spoilers for people who watch them in the wrong
> order isn't as wanted as seeing the moment that Anakin-becomes-Vader.
>
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I might agree if Lucas had actually pulled it off. Besides, I don't
recall getting an invitation to the meeting where this consensus was
worked out so I demand a re-vote!
Re: Green Lantern movie review - share your opinions! [message #244105 is a reply to message #244104] Fri, 01 July 2011 17:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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In article <iulcrm$uor$1@dont-email.me>, Arthur Lipscomb
<arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:

> On 6/30/2011 3:26 PM, Duggy wrote:
>> On Jun 28, 12:36 pm, Arthur Lipscomb<art...@alum.calberkeley.org>
>> wrote:
>>> Lucas should have hired some really good writers to draft a script that
>>> established Anakin and Vader as two separate characters. Someone who's
>>> never heard of Star Wars before should be able to watch the prequels and
>>> Star Wars without realizing Anakin is Vader. Then when Vader is
>>> revealed to be Anakin, they should be able to go back and catch various
>>> clues they glossed over the first time and realize it all adds up.
>>
>> Star Wars fans discussed that prior to the prequels being released and
>> the consensus was that spoilers for people who watch them in the wrong
>> order isn't as wanted as seeing the moment that Anakin-becomes-Vader.
>
> I might agree if Lucas had actually pulled it off. Besides, I don't
> recall getting an invitation to the meeting where this consensus was
> worked out so I demand a re-vote!

You don't get a vote - George Lucas owns "Star Wars" and can do whatever
he wants without interferrance from other people (especially the brainless
idiots in studio management and their beancounters).
Re: Green Lantern movie review - share your opinions! [message #244106 is a reply to message #244105] Fri, 01 July 2011 20:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Arthur Lipscomb

On 7/1/2011 2:54 PM, Your Name wrote:
> In article<iulcrm$uor$1@dont-email.me>, Arthur Lipscomb
> <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
>
>> On 6/30/2011 3:26 PM, Duggy wrote:
>>> On Jun 28, 12:36 pm, Arthur Lipscomb<art...@alum.calberkeley.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Lucas should have hired some really good writers to draft a script that
>>>> established Anakin and Vader as two separate characters. Someone who's
>>>> never heard of Star Wars before should be able to watch the prequels and
>>>> Star Wars without realizing Anakin is Vader. Then when Vader is
>>>> revealed to be Anakin, they should be able to go back and catch various
>>>> clues they glossed over the first time and realize it all adds up.
>>>
>>> Star Wars fans discussed that prior to the prequels being released and
>>> the consensus was that spoilers for people who watch them in the wrong
>>> order isn't as wanted as seeing the moment that Anakin-becomes-Vader.
>>
>> I might agree if Lucas had actually pulled it off. Besides, I don't
>> recall getting an invitation to the meeting where this consensus was
>> worked out so I demand a re-vote!
>
> You don't get a vote - George Lucas owns "Star Wars" and can do whatever
> he wants without interferrance from other people (especially the brainless
> idiots in studio management and their beancounters).


Wait, you're saying Lucas even owns the fan consensus? Does he also own
our opinion of Jar Jar and weather or not Han should have shot first?
Where will it end? Next he's going to replace the fans with CGI sycophants.
Re: Green Lantern movie review - share your opinions! [message #244107 is a reply to message #244104] Fri, 01 July 2011 20:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Jul 2, 7:05 am, Arthur Lipscomb <art...@alum.calberkeley.org>
wrote:
> I might agree if Lucas had actually pulled it off.

Sure.

>  Besides, I don't
> recall getting an invitation to the meeting where this consensus was
> worked out so I demand a re-vote!

OK. The next meeting is friday.

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Re: Green Lantern movie review - share your opinions! [message #244108 is a reply to message #244106] Fri, 01 July 2011 23:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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In article <iulna4$5ud$1@dont-email.me>, Arthur Lipscomb
<arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
> On 7/1/2011 2:54 PM, Your Name wrote:
>> In article<iulcrm$uor$1@dont-email.me>, Arthur Lipscomb
>> <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
>>> On 6/30/2011 3:26 PM, Duggy wrote:
>>>> On Jun 28, 12:36 pm, Arthur Lipscomb<art...@alum.calberkeley.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > Lucas should have hired some really good writers to draft a script that
>>>> > established Anakin and Vader as two separate characters. Someone who's
>>>> > never heard of Star Wars before should be able to watch the prequels and
>>>> > Star Wars without realizing Anakin is Vader. Then when Vader is
>>>> > revealed to be Anakin, they should be able to go back and catch various
>>>> > clues they glossed over the first time and realize it all adds up.
>>>>
>>>> Star Wars fans discussed that prior to the prequels being released and
>>>> the consensus was that spoilers for people who watch them in the wrong
>>>> order isn't as wanted as seeing the moment that Anakin-becomes-Vader.
>>>
>>> I might agree if Lucas had actually pulled it off. Besides, I don't
>>> recall getting an invitation to the meeting where this consensus was
>>> worked out so I demand a re-vote!
>>
>> You don't get a vote - George Lucas owns "Star Wars" and can do whatever
>> he wants without interferrence from other people (especially the brainless
>> idiots in studio management and their beancounters).
>
> Wait, you're saying Lucas even owns the fan consensus? Does he also own
> our opinion of Jar Jar and weather or not Han should have shot first?
> Where will it end? Next he's going to replace the fans with CGI sycophants.

You can of course have whatever opinion you want, but it's of absolutely
no importance at all to what George Lucas does with his property, which is
why you don't get any vote.
Re: Green Lantern movie review - share your opinions! [message #244109 is a reply to message #244108] Sat, 02 July 2011 02:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Jul 2, 1:37 pm, yourn...@yourisp.com (Your Name) wrote:
> You can of course have whatever opinion you want, but it's of absolutely
> no importance at all to what George Lucas does with his property, which is
> why you don't get any vote.-

True, but also...

Even if hiding Vader's ID worked (which would tax even great writers
would find hard) it doesn't change the fact that SW was created 4, 5,
6, 1, 2, 3. The Yoda/Dooku fight and Obi-wan/Anakin fight in eps 2 &
3 make the ep 4 fight not work at all. Watching 1 - 6 just doesn't
work. Watching 4 - 6, 1 - 3 does.

So, you have to go with the "WOW" moment of Anakin-becomes-Vader.
Yeah, Lucas blew it. It was "WOW", it wasn't even "Wow". It was just
"wow."

I could have been better, but hiding it would not have been.

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Re: Green Lantern movie review - share your opinions! [message #244110 is a reply to message #244109] Sat, 02 July 2011 03:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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In article
<1d443a78-4044-40dd-92ac-da4e3bb30729@q29g2000prj.googlegroups.com>, Duggy
<p.allan.duggan@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Jul 2, 1:37=A0pm, yourn...@yourisp.com (Your Name) wrote:
>> You can of course have whatever opinion you want, but it's of absolutely
>> no importance at all to what George Lucas does with his property, which
>> is why you don't get any vote.-
>
> True, but also...
>
> Even if hiding Vader's ID worked (which would tax even great writers
> would find hard) it doesn't change the fact that SW was created 4, 5,
> 6, 1, 2, 3. The Yoda/Dooku fight and Obi-wan/Anakin fight in eps 2 &
> 3 make the ep 4 fight not work at all. Watching 1 - 6 just doesn't
> work. Watching 4 - 6, 1 - 3 does.
>
> So, you have to go with the "WOW" moment of Anakin-becomes-Vader.
> Yeah, Lucas blew it. It was "WOW", it wasn't even "Wow". It was just
> "wow."
>
> I could have been better, but hiding it would not have been.


There's a few ways to watch the Saga:

1. The normal human way: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6

2. The Original Trilogy fanatic: 1, 2, 3

3. The "flashback" fan: 4, 5, 6, 1, 2, 3

4. The "Lost" fan: 1, 5, 3, 2, 6, 4 ;-)
Re: Green Lantern movie review - share your opinions! [message #244111 is a reply to message #244110] Sat, 02 July 2011 03:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Jul 2, 5:30 pm, yourn...@yourisp.com (Your Name) wrote:
> There's a few ways to watch the Saga:
> 1.  The normal human way: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6

Once again you're defining the opinions of everyone else. Good for
you.

"Chronological order". You're not normal.

And it only works if you've previously watched it in chronological
order.

> 2.  The Original Trilogy fanatic: 1, 2, 3

Yes.

> 3.  The "flashback" fan: 4, 5, 6, 1, 2, 3

"Flash back"? Thank you Mr 80s DJ.

"Release order."

> 4.  The "Lost" fan:

Gave up early season one.

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Re: Green Lantern movie review - share your opinions! [message #244114 is a reply to message #244111] Sat, 02 July 2011 17:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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In article
<4bfc9d02-225b-4bf6-84e6-209a528d3080@y13g2000prb.googlegroups.com>, Duggy
<Paul.Duggan@jcu.edu.au> wrote:
> On Jul 2, 5:30=A0pm, yourn...@yourisp.com (Your Name) wrote:
>>
>> There's a few ways to watch the Saga:
>> 1. =A0The normal human way: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6
>
> Once again you're defining the opinions of everyone else. Good for
> you.
>
> "Chronological order". You're not normal.

And once again you're nitpicking.

Numerical order is the "normal" order because that's how normal people
count, read books, etc. They don't read chapter 5 followed bu chapter 3,
followed by chapter 8, etc. ... unless you're a Lost fan. Like it or not,
it's also the order in which George Lucas has said they're meant o be
viewed, which is why the 3D-erised version will be repleased in this
order.



> And it only works if you've previously watched it in chronological
> order.

If you've already seen the movies, then it doesn't really matter what
order you re-watch them in since you know all the "surprises" anyway.



>> 2. The Original Trilogy fanatic: 1, 2, 3
>
> Yes.
>
>> 3. The "flashback" fan: 4, 5, 6, 1, 2, 3
>
> "Flash back"? Thank you Mr 80s DJ.
>
> "Release order."

Flashbacks have been a bit of a fad in many TV show episodes recently as
well as in the past. They start the story part-way through and then jump
back to the start of the story with a sub-title saying something like "Two
weeks earlier". Sometimes they even end the story before jumping back to
the beginning.



>> 4. The "Lost" fan:
>
> Gave up early season one.

I gave up at after about season 3 when it was extremely obvious they had
no idea what they were doing and were beginning to make up silly ideas as
they went along (silly sci-fi ideas like time travel that they originally
said weren't the answer), "jumping the shark" in the process. In other
words, a rather typical JJ Abrams mess.
Re: Green Lantern movie review - share your opinions! [message #244115 is a reply to message #244114] Mon, 04 July 2011 05:50 Go to previous message
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On Jul 3, 7:39 am, yourn...@yourisp.com (Your Name) wrote:
>> "Chronological order".  You're not normal.
> And once again you're nitpicking.

No, being realistic.

> Numerical order is the "normal" order because that's how normal people
> count, read books, etc. They don't read chapter 5 followed bu chapter 3,
> followed by chapter 8, etc. ... unless you're a Lost fan. Like it or not,
> it's also the order in which George Lucas has said they're meant o be
> viewed, which is why the 3D-erised version will be repleased in this
> order.

We all know Lucas has problems.

>>> 3. The "flashback" fan: 4, 5, 6, 1, 2, 3
>> "Flash back"?  Thank you Mr 80s DJ.
>> "Release order."
> Flashbacks have been a bit of a fad in many TV show episodes recently as
> well as in the past.

TV shows have always loved them. Lost just ran them into the grown.

> They start the story part-way through and then jump
> back to the start of the story with a sub-title saying something like "Two
> weeks earlier". Sometimes they even end the story before jumping back to
> the beginning.

You're thinking of "in medias res" not flashback. And, you know,
latin term, not a recent thing.

>>> 4. The "Lost" fan:
>> Gave up early season one.
> I gave up at after about season 3 when it was extremely obvious they had
> no idea what they were doing and were beginning to make up silly ideas as
> they went along (silly sci-fi ideas like time travel that they originally
> said weren't the answer), "jumping the shark" in the process. In other
> words, a rather typical JJ Abrams mess.

See, that's how I felt during season 1. If people had said things
changed I would have gone back and watched the whole thing... but no
body ever has, so, eh.

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