| The 1939 of bad films [message #175959] |
Wed, 15 July 2009 20:19  |
Frank J. Lhota
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The year 1939 is widely regarded as the finest year for film making.
Just one decade after the talking picture era began, Hollywood produced
a bumper crop of timeless classics: "Gone With The Wind", "The Wizard of
Oz", "Stagecoach", "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington", "Ninotchka" and "Of
Mice and Men". Turner Classic Movies and the American Film Institute
have commemorated the 70th anniversary of this apex of the art of film
making.
This raises the obvious question: in what year did Hollywood produce the
most unforgettably bad, MST-worthy films? One way to find the answer is
to check out the Internet Movie Data Base Bottom 100:
http://www.imdb.com/chart/bottom
This chart shows that the 1960's were a terrible decade for films. In a
thread from a couple of years ago ("The Age of Aquarius and Awful
Movies"), I blamed the turgid quality of many 60's films on the film
industry's desperate attempt to cash in on the youth movement, resulting
in films that became dated within three months of release. This chart of
the bottom 100 suggest a more plausible explanation for the abysmal
quality of 1960's cinema: it was the decade when Coleman Francis directed.
I'm still not sure which year is the 1939 of bad movies. I'm leaning
towards 1970, but that's only because I hold a grudge against "Love Story".
--
"All things extant in this world,
Gods of Heaven, gods of Earth,
Let everything be as it should be;
Thus shall it be!"
- Magical chant from "Magical Shopping Arcade Abenobashi"
"Drizzle, Drazzle, Drozzle, Drome,
Time for this one to come home!"
- Mr. Wizard from "Tooter Turtle"
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| Re: The 1939 of bad film [message #175960 is a reply to message #175959] |
Wed, 15 July 2009 21:02  |
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Originally posted by: Derek Janssen
Frank J. Lhota wrote:
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> This raises the obvious question: in what year did Hollywood produce the
> most unforgettably bad, MST-worthy films? One way to find the answer is
> to check out the Internet Movie Data Base Bottom 100:
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> http://www.imdb.com/chart/bottom
Although that's not really any answer either, as nearly 60% of the IMDb
Bottom 100 has been usurped and corrupted by MSTie fanboys paying homage
to their favorite episodes, and largely Mike-era ones at that.
(With the odd mix of Razzie fanboy and RottenTomatoes fanboy, for flavor.)
But, if it's any consolation, the 60's do seem to be the prime period
for MST3K episodes.
Derek Janssen (currently enjoying his Box XV in comfort...Who knew there
were actually good riffs in "Girl in Lover's Lane"?) :)
ejanss1@verizon.net
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| Re: The 1939 of bad film [message #175962 is a reply to message #175960] |
Thu, 16 July 2009 04:16 |
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Originally posted by: haywood jablomy
Derek Janssen wrote:
> Frank J. Lhota wrote:
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>> This raises the obvious question: in what year did Hollywood produce
>> the most unforgettably bad, MST-worthy films? One way to find the
>> answer is to check out the Internet Movie Data Base Bottom 100:
>>
>> http://www.imdb.com/chart/bottom
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>
> Although that's not really any answer either, as nearly 60% of the IMDb
> Bottom 100 has been usurped and corrupted by MSTie fanboys paying homage
> to their favorite episodes, and largely Mike-era ones at that.
> (With the odd mix of Razzie fanboy and RottenTomatoes fanboy, for flavor.)
>
Also by haters of Uwe Boll, Ulli Lommel, and Paris Hilton...
and "fans" of "Ben & Arthur" which begs for MSTing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XVPOjXmCQ0
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| Re: The 1939 of bad film [message #175963 is a reply to message #175962] |
Thu, 16 July 2009 12:06 |
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Originally posted by: Derek Janssen
haywood jablomy wrote:
> Derek Janssen wrote:
>> Frank J. Lhota wrote:
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>>>
>>> This raises the obvious question: in what year did Hollywood produce
>>> the most unforgettably bad, MST-worthy films? One way to find the
>>> answer is to check out the Internet Movie Data Base Bottom 100:
>>>
>>> http://www.imdb.com/chart/bottom
>>
>>
>> Although that's not really any answer either, as nearly 60% of the
>> IMDb Bottom 100 has been usurped and corrupted by MSTie fanboys paying
>> homage to their favorite episodes, and largely Mike-era ones at that.
>> (With the odd mix of Razzie fanboy and RottenTomatoes fanboy, for
>> flavor.)
>>
>
> Also by haters of Uwe Boll, Ulli Lommel, and Paris Hilton...
The Paris Hiltons would be the Razzie fanboys, the Uwe Bolls would be
the Tomatoes fanboys, and the Ulli Lommels would be...the Germans. We
never know WHAT the heck they're talking about.
Derek Janssen (but don't mention the war!)
ejanss1@verizon.net
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| Re: The 1939 of bad films [message #175964 is a reply to message #175959] |
Sat, 18 July 2009 10:18 |
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Originally posted by: dgates
On Wed, 15 Jul 2009 20:19:53 -0400, "Frank J. Lhota"
<FrankLho.NOSPAM@rcn.com> wrote:
> The year 1939 is widely regarded as the finest year for film making.
> Just one decade after the talking picture era began, Hollywood produced
> a bumper crop of timeless classics: "Gone With The Wind", "The Wizard of
> Oz", "Stagecoach", "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington", "Ninotchka" and "Of
> Mice and Men". Turner Classic Movies and the American Film Institute
> have commemorated the 70th anniversary of this apex of the art of film
> making.
>
> This raises the obvious question: in what year did Hollywood produce the
> most unforgettably bad, MST-worthy films? One way to find the answer is
> to check out the Internet Movie Data Base Bottom 100:
>
> http://www.imdb.com/chart/bottom
IMO, that "Bottom 100" list is screwed up -- mostly by us MST3k fans
giving 1's to bad-but-not-bottom-100 movies that happen to have been
on MST3k.
Sure, "Monster A Go-Go" is so miserable that it belongs down there.
But "Catalina Caper?"
Not that I'm saying these are *good* movies, but certainly no one
would bother to single them out and rate them the lowest possible
rating if they hadn't been on MST3k:
It Lives by Night ("Bat People")
Outlaw of Gor
Final Justice
Devil Fish ("Shark: Rosso nell'oceano")
Now that I've scanned the Bottom 100 list a little more thoroughly, I
find that I can't find the films that would really make my point --
Mitchell, or Danger Diabolik, or Kitten with a Whip. So that's a
consolation.
Besides, what other good purpose does a "Bottom 100" serve, other than
a chance for people to do some negative publicity for films they "love
to hate?" :-)
> This chart shows that the 1960's were a terrible decade for films. In a
> thread from a couple of years ago ("The Age of Aquarius and Awful
> Movies"), I blamed the turgid quality of many 60's films on the film
> industry's desperate attempt to cash in on the youth movement, resulting
> in films that became dated within three months of release. This chart of
> the bottom 100 suggest a more plausible explanation for the abysmal
> quality of 1960's cinema: it was the decade when Coleman Francis directed.
>
> I'm still not sure which year is the 1939 of bad movies. I'm leaning
> towards 1970, but that's only because I hold a grudge against "Love Story".
It's hard to find a real "anti-1939," since one thing that 1939 has
going for it is that those films are now old enough to have withstood
the test of time and proven themselves to be classics.
By definition, bad movies can't really stand the "test of time,"
since, if they're unwatchable, they'll just get lost.
After all, who's going to remember the random, crappy, unwatchable
movies once their time has come and gone? (other than the guys that
program schedules for the Showtime channels?)
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| Re: The 1939 of bad films [message #176073 is a reply to message #175964] |
Sat, 18 July 2009 12:02 |
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Originally posted by: Derek Janssen
dgates wrote:
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>> http://www.imdb.com/chart/bottom
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> IMO, that "Bottom 100" list is screwed up -- mostly by us MST3k fans
> giving 1's to bad-but-not-bottom-100 movies that happen to have been
> on MST3k.
>
> Sure, "Monster A Go-Go" is so miserable that it belongs down there.
> But "Catalina Caper?"
Similarly, did anyone actually SEE "Baby Geniuses 2", or were
RottenTomatoes.com fans just volunteering to immortalize every entry in
the 0% Club?
(And just TRY and keep a-tad-more-than-ambiguously-gay Razzie fans from
making jokes about Britney Spears in "Crossroads" or Paris Hilton in
"The Hottie & the Nottie"...)
Derek Janssen
ejanss1@verizon.net
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| Re: The 1939 of bad films [message #176077 is a reply to message #176073] |
Mon, 20 July 2009 11:39 |
Kate Halleron
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On Jul 18, 9:02 am, Derek Janssen <ejan...@nospam.verizon.net> wrote:
> dgates wrote:
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>>> http://www.imdb.com/chart/bottom
>
>> IMO, that "Bottom 100" list is screwed up -- mostly by us MST3k fans
>> giving 1's to bad-but-not-bottom-100 movies that happen to have been
>> on MST3k.
>
>> Sure, "Monster A Go-Go" is so miserable that it belongs down there.
>> But "Catalina Caper?"
>
> Similarly, did anyone actually SEE "Baby Geniuses 2", or were
> RottenTomatoes.com fans just volunteering to immortalize every entry in
> the 0% Club?
>
> (And just TRY and keep a-tad-more-than-ambiguously-gay Razzie fans from
> making jokes about Britney Spears in "Crossroads" or Paris Hilton in
> "The Hottie & the Nottie"...)
>
> Derek Janssen
> ejan...@verizon.net
Now, if I were choosing the 'worst year for movies', I'd look at the
BEST the year had to offer. If the best they can do is a pile of
crap, then that's a crappy year for movies.
Kate
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| Re: The 1939 of bad films [message #176191 is a reply to message #176081] |
Tue, 21 July 2009 18:07 |
Frank J. Lhota
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Jonah Falcon wrote:
> 2000.
OK, I'll bite. Why 2000?
--
"All things extant in this world,
Gods of Heaven, gods of Earth,
Let everything be as it should be;
Thus shall it be!"
- Magical chant from "Magical Shopping Arcade Abenobashi"
"Drizzle, Drazzle, Drozzle, Drome,
Time for this one to come home!"
- Mr. Wizard from "Tooter Turtle"
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