Message-ID: <2870@alice.UUCP>
Date: Thu, 21-Jun-84 12:24:21 EDT
Article-I.D.: alice.2870
Posted: Thu Jun 21 12:24:21 1984
Date-Received: Fri, 22-Jun-84 01:09:02 EDT
References: <630@pyuxqq.UUCP>
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill
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Requests to obtain pirated copies of copyright material are at best in
poor taste, and at worst illegal.  Be it known that Lucasfilm, Ltd., the
copyright owner of ROJ and ESB (and my former employer) will vigourously
prosecute ANYONE (not just the `big guys') who violates their copyright.
Their lawyers are bigger than your lawyers, and they have nothing better to
do with their time than protect the company's property.

Furthermore, counselling or soliciting the commision of a crime is itself
a crime.  Such activity using as fragile a medium as USENET is a grievous
breach of propriety.  I take it as a personal insult, if not an injury.
If you do it again, I will personally drive to Piscataway and kill your pet
budgie.

Also, USENET extends to the Lucasfilm Computer Division, and thence to the
legal department.  They ALREADY know that this request was posted.

Respect for our intellectual property laws is part and parcel of respect
for an individual's right to benefit from the fruit of his labors.  That
George's income is in the millions of dollars per annum does not diminish
his right to one red cent of it, and it certainly increases his ability to
defend himself.

I am a champion of intellectual freedom and therefore a friend of the protection
of intellectual property.  It is a Libertarian maxim that `All property is
theft.'  The only case in which this fails is that of intellectual property.
You own the things you devise, and no one (esp. P. M. Iurilli) has the right
to deprive you of them.

I have digressed.  I intended only to say that I am offended and insulted
by this solicitation to violate the intellectual property laws.  I strongly
reccomend that anyone considering such a conspiracy think twice, and I demand
an apology for this offensive and insulting behavior.

Message-ID: <885@ulysses.UUCP>
Date: Thu, 21-Jun-84 14:47:04 EDT
Article-I.D.: ulysses.885
Posted: Thu Jun 21 14:47:04 1984
Date-Received: Fri, 22-Jun-84 01:09:28 EDT
References: <630@pyuxqq.UUCP>, <2870@alice.UUCP>
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill
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Thank you Tom Duff.  You said exactly what I was going to say, only better.

		--Steve Bellovin

Message-ID: <827@pyuxa.UUCP>
Date: Thu, 21-Jun-84 15:37:24 EDT
Article-I.D.: pyuxa.827
Posted: Thu Jun 21 15:37:24 1984
Date-Received: Fri, 22-Jun-84 01:10:55 EDT
References: <630@pyuxqq.UUCP>
Organization: Bell Communications Research, Piscataway N.J.
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This must be a joke.  Who in their right mind would tempt fate
so boldly?  Advertising for pirate copies of unreleased movies?
You gotta be kidding.  It makes me nervous to think what could
happen to the writer if Lucas and Co. see that bold article.

Message-ID: <337@ihuxu.UUCP>
Date: Fri, 22-Jun-84 07:41:38 EDT
Article-I.D.: ihuxu.337
Posted: Fri Jun 22 07:41:38 1984
Date-Received: Sat, 23-Jun-84 03:13:59 EDT
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Naperville, IL
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I ALSO do not think one should use a forum such as USENET
to solicit for pirated copies of copyright material lest
we loose the right to this medium altogether!
I ALSO do not think one should use a forum such as USENET
to solicit for pirated copies of copyright material lest
we loose the right to this medium altogether!
-- 
"Do you like to dream, Gomez?"		Mike Eastman	ihuxu!mfe
"No, I have better nightmares		AT&T Bell Laboratories
	 when I'm awake!"		Naperville, IL
					IH 2C-319 (312)979-2847

Message-ID: <292@cepu.UUCP>
Date: Fri, 22-Jun-84 13:48:41 EDT
Article-I.D.: cepu.292
Posted: Fri Jun 22 13:48:41 1984
Date-Received: Sat, 23-Jun-84 07:17:14 EDT
References: <630@pyuxqq.UUCP> <827@pyuxa.UUCP>
Reply-To: scw@cepu.UUCP (Steve Woods)
Organization: VA Wadsworth Med. Center; LA CA
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 > This must be a joke.  Who in their right mind would tempt fate
 > so boldly?  Advertising for pirate copies of unreleased movies?
 > You gotta be kidding.  It makes me nervous to think what could
 > happen to the writer if Lucas and Co. see that bold article.

What do you mean IF, ILM is on the net, when is much more accurate.  This
fellow was not playing with a full deck, me thinks.
-- 
Stephen C. Woods (VA Wadsworth Med Ctr./UCLA Dept. of Neurology)
uucp:	{ {ihnp4, uiucdcs}!bradley, hao, trwrb, sdcsvax!bmcg}!cepu!scw
ARPA: cepu!scw@ucla-cs       location: N 34 06'37" W 118 25'43"

Message-ID: <446@ihu1g.UUCP>
Date: Fri, 22-Jun-84 14:18:40 EDT
Article-I.D.: ihu1g.446
Posted: Fri Jun 22 14:18:40 1984
Date-Received: Wed, 27-Jun-84 08:24:50 EDT
References: <337@ihuxu.UUCP>
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Naperville, IL
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Maybe it's just Big Brother trying to entrap somebody into coming
accross with the tapes.

Well look, stooge, if I had copies of those films on VT, I sure as
hell wouldn't let on about it!  Why don't you advertise for some
Cocaine in net.wanted while you're at it?

As long as we're on the subject:  The original "Star Wars" has
been available LEGALLY for quite some time now, but does anybody
know if it's available in VHS Hi-Fi?  I don't have a VHS Hi-Fi
VCR, but I might get one with stereo TV coming and movies like
SW available with high-quality stereo soundtracks.
-- 

                               Bob Fishell
                               ihnp4!ihu1g!fish

Message-ID: <329@pucc-i>
Date: Fri, 22-Jun-84 11:52:42 EDT
Article-I.D.: pucc-i.329
Posted: Fri Jun 22 11:52:42 1984
Date-Received: Wed, 27-Jun-84 08:40:14 EDT
References: <630@pyuxqq.UUCP> <2870@alice.UUCP>
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
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 >   Be it known that Lucasfilm, Ltd., the
 >   copyright owner of ROJ and ESB (and my former employer) will vigourously
 >   prosecute ANYONE (not just the `big guys') who violates their copyright.
 >   
 >   Also, USENET extends to the Lucasfilm Computer Division, and thence to the
 >   legal department.  They ALREADY know that this request was posted.

Ah, now it becomes clear.  This is obviously a sting operation.
-- 

Dave Seaman			"My hovercraft is full of eels."
..!pur-ee!pucc-i:ags

Message-ID: <1107@nsc.UUCP>
Date: Sun, 24-Jun-84 05:33:01 EDT
Article-I.D.: nsc.1107
Posted: Sun Jun 24 05:33:01 1984
Date-Received: Wed, 27-Jun-84 09:37:46 EDT
References: <184@oliven.UUCP>
Organization: National Semiconductor, Sunnyvale
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i feel a tiny (but not too much) sorry for you.  criminal action out on the
open public with disregard for the law makes a strong legal case against you.
and doing it in a newsgroup which LucasFilm folks must surely read takes
a whole bunch of GAUL.  (perhaps you could go for the insanity defense?)

normally i would just let the other comments stand, but in this case i feel
it is important for USENET folks to strongly condemn your action.
legal stuff aside, your type of request does harm to the net.  USENET
can be the forum for the exchange of useful information, and a place to
relax and hang out.  but using it for shady reasons is one way to ruin
it for others.

chongo  /\**/\

Message-ID: <184@oliven.UUCP>
Date: Fri, 22-Jun-84 20:00:26 EDT
Article-I.D.: oliven.184
Posted: Fri Jun 22 20:00:26 1984
Date-Received: Thu, 28-Jun-84 00:46:24 EDT
Organization: Olivetti ATC, Cupertino, Ca
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[may the bug be with you]

 > Can anyone give me a source for obtaining video cassettes (VHS) of the
 > Star Wars sequels The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi?  I am
 > aware that they are not released in the usual fashion, so no flames or
 > mail telling me they're not available, please!  I know they're out there 
 > in netland somewhere for the right price (which I am willing to pay), and
 > that it's just a matter of locating a source.  They're probably under wraps
 > but I'm hoping to shake one loose!

You are asking for a flagrant, solicited violation of US patent law.  This will
not be a case of harmlessly or unknowingly posting material to the net.  There
is no legal question here except that of exactly which crimes the prosecutor
will choose to charge you with.  So far, the only one that I am aware of is
solicitation of an illegal act.  Anyone who assists you will be an accomplice
at best.  

hawk

Message-ID: <140@resonex.UUCP>
Date: Wed, 27-Jun-84 17:41:36 EDT
Article-I.D.: resonex.140
Posted: Wed Jun 27 17:41:36 1984
Date-Received: Tue, 10-Jul-84 02:16:34 EDT
References: <337@ihuxu.UUCP>, <446@ihu1g.UUCP>
Organization: Resonex Inc., Sunnyvale, CA
Lines: 4

If you want Hi-fidelity sound versions of SW-ANH, get yourself a laserdisc
player and a copy of it (you may have to try several copies - LD QA is not
so hot..)
	Tom "50 inch projection TV and LD player" Gulvin - Resonex, Inc.

Message-ID: <1367@vice.UUCP>
Date: Thu, 12-Jul-84 06:08:11 EDT
Article-I.D.: vice.1367
Posted: Thu Jul 12 06:08:11 1984
Date-Received: Sat, 14-Jul-84 00:10:53 EDT
References: <140@resonex.UUCP>
Organization: Tektronix, Beaverton OR
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Lately, LaserDisc quality has been running about 80-90 % good,
as viewed on a LD-700 player and a Kloss 87 inch projector.
The older players can often be had cheaply (trade-in) but
cupped discs cause interference which does not affect the LD-700.

Message-ID: <291@tymix.UUCP>
Date: Wed, 10-Oct-84 22:12:40 EDT
Article-I.D.: tymix.291
Posted: Wed Oct 10 22:12:40 1984
Date-Received: Fri, 12-Oct-84 06:45:14 EDT
References: <184@oliven.UUCP>
Organization: Tymshare Inc., Cupertino CA
Lines: 6

"The Empire Strikes Back" is supposed to be out on videocassette
and laserdisk around Christmas.  Some video stores are already
taking orders (I have mine in!).

--Lynn

Message-ID: <368@west44.UUCP>
Date: Fri, 26-Oct-84 14:05:30 EDT
Article-I.D.: west44.368
Posted: Fri Oct 26 14:05:30 1984
Date-Received: Sun, 21-Oct-84 15:25:38 EDT
References: <184@oliven.UUCP> <291@tymix.UUCP>
Organization: CS Dept., Westfield College, London
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Xref: godot net.movies.sw:119 net.wanted:2228



TESB videos were released in the UK on October 18th.
Ok so its a long way to come but that means it sould be out in the US 
pretty soon.

Alun Jenkins    ...ukc!west44!agjenkins

Message-ID: <2868@ucbvax.ARPA>
Date: Sat, 27-Oct-84 12:58:56 EST
Article-I.D.: ucbvax.2868
Posted: Sat Oct 27 12:58:56 1984
Date-Received: Sun, 28-Oct-84 06:11:11 EST
References: <184@oliven.UUCP> <291@tymix.UUCP>
Organization: University of California at Berkeley
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Concerning videotapes of The Empire Strikes Back, one local video store in the
SF Bay Area says that it will have it in stock by Nov 12.  For those in the
Bay Area, the store is:

	Claremont/Rockridge Home Video
	5899 College Avenue
	Oakland, California
	(415) 428-9107

For the rest of you, I would imagine that it should be available in other
areas before Christmas.  I learned about the release from a newspaper add.


							-Peter Yee
							..ucbvax!yee
							yee@Berkeley.ARPA