After the storm, hopefully [message #418906] |
Thu, 02 February 2023 13:10 |
Charlie Gibbs
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Is anyone still here? Some pinhead posted a huge binary
to the group, which is a pretty effective DOS attack.
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Re: After the storm, hopefully [message #418913 is a reply to message #418912] |
Thu, 02 February 2023 17:05 |
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Originally posted by: Vir Campestris
On 02/02/2023 20:31, D.J. wrote:
> On Thu, 02 Feb 2023 18:10:46 GMT, Charlie Gibbs
> <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
>> Is anyone still here? Some pinhead posted a huge binary
>> to the group, which is a pretty effective DOS attack.
>
> I didn't see it. Present.
<aol>
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> Jim
Jim, you have two spaces after your two dashes. It confued my TBird.
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Re: After the storm, hopefully [message #418916 is a reply to message #418913] |
Thu, 02 February 2023 17:52 |
Dan Espen
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Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> writes:
> On 02/02/2023 20:31, D.J. wrote:
>> On Thu, 02 Feb 2023 18:10:46 GMT, Charlie Gibbs
>> <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
>>> Is anyone still here? Some pinhead posted a huge binary
>>> to the group, which is a pretty effective DOS attack.
>> I didn't see it. Present.
> <aol>
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>> Jim
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> Jim, you have two spaces after your two dashes. It confued my TBird.
GNUS was fine with it.
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Re: After the storm, hopefully [message #418917 is a reply to message #418913] |
Thu, 02 February 2023 17:53 |
D.J.
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On Thu, 2 Feb 2023 22:05:55 +0000, Vir Campestris
<vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 02/02/2023 20:31, D.J. wrote:
>> On Thu, 02 Feb 2023 18:10:46 GMT, Charlie Gibbs
>> <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
>>> Is anyone still here? Some pinhead posted a huge binary
>>> to the group, which is a pretty effective DOS attack.
>>
>> I didn't see it. Present.
> <aol>
>
>> --
>> Jim
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> Jim, you have two spaces after your two dashes. It confued my TBird.
Now there is one. I thought two spaces was how it should be.
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Re: After the storm, hopefully [message #418921 is a reply to message #418906] |
Thu, 02 February 2023 20:26 |
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Originally posted by: Rockinghorse Winner
On 2023-02-02, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 02 Feb 2023 18:10:46 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>
>> Is anyone still here?
>
> Eastern Canada about to get it only. Temperatures plunge from -1 °C to
> -29 °C within 12 hours, windchill -40 °C. Which is by chance also -40 F.
>
>> Some pinhead posted a huge binary to the group, which is a pretty
>> effective DOS attack.
>
> NNTP Server here ignores those.
I wonder if groups can be dropped from servers for inactivity.
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Re: After the storm, hopefully [message #418928 is a reply to message #418920] |
Fri, 03 February 2023 08:48 |
scott
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Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> writes:
> Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes:
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>> Is anyone still here? Some pinhead posted a huge binary
>> to the group, which is a pretty effective DOS attack.
>
> Never saw said binary. Been here all along.
It depends, of course, on the usenet provider. Mine did not
filter the posts; there were some forty thousands parts posted
over a two day stretch.
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Re: After the storm, hopefully [message #418929 is a reply to message #418921] |
Fri, 03 February 2023 08:49 |
scott
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Rockinghorse Winner <Rockinghorse@amgen.com> writes:
> On 2023-02-02, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
>> On Thu, 02 Feb 2023 18:10:46 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>>
>>> Is anyone still here?
>>
>> Eastern Canada about to get it only. Temperatures plunge from -1 °C to
>> -29 °C within 12 hours, windchill -40 °C. Which is by chance also -40 F.
>>
>>> Some pinhead posted a huge binary to the group, which is a pretty
>>> effective DOS attack.
>>
>> NNTP Server here ignores those.
>
> I wonder if groups can be dropped from servers for inactivity.
No. An inactive group costs nothing but a line in .newsrc.
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Re: After the storm, hopefully [message #418931 is a reply to message #418930] |
Fri, 03 February 2023 10:28 |
Ahem A Rivet's Shot
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On 3 Feb 2023 14:58:53 GMT
greymaus <greymaus@gmail.com> wrote:
> To init a question, why were the `Micros' so much fun (say the Lorraine)
> and the modern lapto[p so boring?.
The early micros were limited, very varied and more than a bit rough
around the edges and as such were only really suitable for people who were
excited about the idea of having a computer of their own to play with
instead of grubbing for time and privileges (at best) on a shared machine.
A lot of the fun came from learning about them in detail (because you had
to), exploring the capabilities and working round the limitations.
The modern laptop is a polished consumer product designed for the
most inattentive student to be able to use productively (if badly) with a
minimum of effort and knowledge. they're pretty much all the same, it's
either Windows or a Mac and that's it unless you're a geek. It's *designed*
to be boring and doesn't reward detailed exploration with anything more
than a severe headache and a deep sense of disgust.
In much the same way I expect the Model T Ford was a lot more fun
than the latest Mondeo but I know which I'd rather drive across the country
in.
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Re: After the storm, hopefully [message #418932 is a reply to message #418931] |
Fri, 03 February 2023 12:16 |
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Originally posted by: greymaus
On 2023-02-03, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
> On 3 Feb 2023 14:58:53 GMT
> greymaus <greymaus@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> To init a question, why were the `Micros' so much fun (say the Lorraine)
>> and the modern lapto[p so boring?.
>
> The early micros were limited, very varied and more than a bit rough
> around the edges and as such were only really suitable for people who were
> excited about the idea of having a computer of their own to play with
> instead of grubbing for time and privileges (at best) on a shared machine.
> A lot of the fun came from learning about them in detail (because you had
> to), exploring the capabilities and working round the limitations.
>
> The modern laptop is a polished consumer product designed for the
> most inattentive student to be able to use productively (if badly) with a
> minimum of effort and knowledge. they're pretty much all the same, it's
> either Windows or a Mac and that's it unless you're a geek. It's *designed*
> to be boring and doesn't reward detailed exploration with anything more
> than a severe headache and a deep sense of disgust.
>
> In much the same way I expect the Model T Ford was a lot more fun
> than the latest Mondeo but I know which I'd rather drive across the country
> in.
>
Plus, I am sad to say, in my case I am 30 years older, and a lot of fun has
gone out of life anyway. Amazing, also, how reliable modern cars are, and how,
after years of pushing EV's, how little they have penetrated the market. The
first Toyota Landcruisers I saw resembled the old Model T, and in their way,
were finicky they were with adjustments (ever drive one of them along the roads
with the wrong settings on the hubs?).
Teachers have told me recently told me of how hard it is to teach pupils that
have smartphones.
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greymausg@mail.com
where is our money gone, Dude?
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Re: After the storm, hopefully [message #418934 is a reply to message #418932] |
Fri, 03 February 2023 12:41 |
Ahem A Rivet's Shot
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On 3 Feb 2023 17:16:29 GMT
greymaus <greymaus@gmail.com> wrote:
> Amazing, also, how reliable modern cars are, and how,
> after years of pushing EV's, how little they have penetrated the market.
Not really - they're still expensive options mostly bought new.
They haven't really trickled down to the second hand market where most
people buy their cars. I've been looking at it for some time, currently the
only EVs that are good enough to completely replace my car are only
available new or very nearly so, many of the cars on the road (including
mine) are over ten years old so expect it to be a decade before decent EVs
are available to most - and that's assuming a lot get sold new this year.
Also pushing ??? Walk into any car salesroom and start talking
about their EVs and see how quickly they show you the diesels.
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Re: After the storm, hopefully [message #418935 is a reply to message #418934] |
Fri, 03 February 2023 13:09 |
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Originally posted by: greymaus
On 2023-02-03, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
> On 3 Feb 2023 17:16:29 GMT
> greymaus <greymaus@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Amazing, also, how reliable modern cars are, and how,
>> after years of pushing EV's, how little they have penetrated the market.
>
> Not really - they're still expensive options mostly bought new.
> They haven't really trickled down to the second hand market where most
> people buy their cars. I've been looking at it for some time, currently the
> only EVs that are good enough to completely replace my car are only
> available new or very nearly so, many of the cars on the road (including
> mine) are over ten years old so expect it to be a decade before decent EVs
> are available to most - and that's assuming a lot get sold new this year.
>
> Also pushing ??? Walk into any car salesroom and start talking
> about their EVs and see how quickly they show you the diesels.
>
being a firm proponent of person to person contacts in affairs of that sort,
and most of the people I knew in the car business are retired as well, I have
lost interest. There are honest car dealers, but hard to find. I used to visit
an elderly relative in a care home (vernichtung stalag), and another old guy
would call by to give out about EV's. Serious costs for replacing a battery.
As long as they are making thinkpads.
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where is our money gone, Dude?
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Re: After the storm, hopefully [message #418937 is a reply to message #418929] |
Fri, 03 February 2023 13:15 |
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Originally posted by: Rockinghorse Winner
On 2023-02-03, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
> Rockinghorse Winner <Rockinghorse@amgen.com> writes:
>> On 2023-02-02, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 02 Feb 2023 18:10:46 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Is anyone still here?
>>>
>>> Eastern Canada about to get it only. Temperatures plunge from -1 °C to
>>> -29 °C within 12 hours, windchill -40 °C. Which is by chance also -40 F.
>>>
>>>> Some pinhead posted a huge binary to the group, which is a pretty
>>>> effective DOS attack.
>>>
>>> NNTP Server here ignores those.
>>
>> I wonder if groups can be dropped from servers for inactivity.
>
> No. An inactive group costs nothing but a line in .newsrc.
Thanks for quick response.
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Re: After the storm, hopefully [message #418938 is a reply to message #418932] |
Fri, 03 February 2023 13:48 |
scott
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greymaus <greymaus@gmail.com> writes:
> On 2023-02-03, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
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> Plus, I am sad to say, in my case I am 30 years older, and a lot of fun has
> gone out of life anyway. Amazing, also, how reliable modern cars are, and how,
> after years of pushing EV's, how little they have penetrated the market
They currently have 18% of the market in california. That's not chump change.
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Re: After the storm, hopefully [message #418941 is a reply to message #418938] |
Fri, 03 February 2023 14:41 |
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Originally posted by: Carlos E.R.
On 2023-02-03 19:48, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> greymaus <greymaus@gmail.com> writes:
>> On 2023-02-03, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> Plus, I am sad to say, in my case I am 30 years older, and a lot of fun has
>> gone out of life anyway. Amazing, also, how reliable modern cars are, and how,
>> after years of pushing EV's, how little they have penetrated the market
>
> They currently have 18% of the market in california. That's not chump change.
In Norway it is 80%. It is cold up there, by the way.
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Re: After the storm, hopefully [message #418942 is a reply to message #418931] |
Fri, 03 February 2023 15:47 |
Mike Spencer
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Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> writes:
> On 3 Feb 2023 14:58:53 GMT
> greymaus <greymaus@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> To init a question, why were the `Micros' so much fun (say the Lorraine)
>> and the modern lapto[p so boring?.
>
> The early micros were limited, very varied and more than a bit rough
> around the edges and as such were only really suitable for people
> who were excited about the idea of having a computer of their own to
> play with instead of grubbing for time and privileges (at best) on a
> shared machine. A lot of the fun came from learning about them in
> detail (because you had to), exploring the capabilities and working
> round the limitations.
>
> The modern laptop is a polished consumer product designed for the
> most inattentive student to be able to use productively (if badly)
> with a minimum of effort and knowledge. they're pretty much all the
> same, it's either Windows or a Mac and that's it unless you're a
> geek. It's *designed* to be boring and doesn't reward detailed
> exploration with anything more than a severe headache and a deep
> sense of disgust.
>
[Not snipped because Mr. Shot is exactly right.]
I feel myself very fortunate to have spent 5 years with a flock of
Osborne I. Upgrading to double-density floppies and to 80-col
display, Z80 assembler, learning to talk to the serial port directly/
Figuring out how C worked when compiled, how the interrupts and stack
worked. All understandable, much of it documented.
So now, of course, there are a vast number of new complexities --
multi-core CPUs, CPU cache, pre-execution of code among many, many
others -- that I will never fully understand as well as both hardware
and kernel advances that I'm too old and stupid to beat up. But I
have a basic grasp of how computers work that I never would have
acquired had my first computer been something newer than a Windoes 95
laptop or even the 1st gen Mac.
That said, I cling doggedly to the fading notion that I can understand
what's going on in the box by running Slackware exclusively on several
machines. Intermittently a frustrating struggle but so far I remain
undefeated. I just bought a new pair of Redwing work boots. By the
time they're worn out, I'll probably be too old to wear work boots
anyhow. I can segue to bedroom slippers at the same time that I give
up trying to master Slackware Linux.
> In much the same way I expect the Model T Ford was a lot more fun
> than the latest Mondeo but I know which I'd rather drive across the
> country in.
I spent enough years as a foreign car mechanic (back when "foreign
car" meant something) to achieve something like wizard status. Now I
have no idea how to maintain good operation of my own Toyota but, as
AAR'sS opines, I don't have to as all that stuff I don't understand
makes reliaility and durability orders of magnitude better than a 1965
VW, 1975 Land Rover or 1985 Ford.
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Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada
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Re: After the storm, hopefully [message #418943 is a reply to message #418928] |
Fri, 03 February 2023 16:32 |
jesse.rehmer
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On Feb 3, 2023 at 7:48:53 AM CST, "Scott Lurndal" <Scott Lurndal> wrote:
> Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> writes:
>> Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes:
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>>> Is anyone still here? Some pinhead posted a huge binary
>>> to the group, which is a pretty effective DOS attack.
>>
>> Never saw said binary. Been here all along.
>
> It depends, of course, on the usenet provider. Mine did not
> filter the posts; there were some forty thousands parts posted
> over a two day stretch.
HighWinds and most other commercial providers do absolutely ZERO filtering.
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Re: After the storm, hopefully [message #418944 is a reply to message #418906] |
Fri, 03 February 2023 21:40 |
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Originally posted by: ant
Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
> Is anyone still here? Some pinhead posted a huge binary
> to the group, which is a pretty effective DOS attack.
I'm still here.
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Re: After the storm, hopefully [message #418946 is a reply to message #418926] |
Sat, 04 February 2023 09:21 |
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Originally posted by: gareth evans
On 03/02/2023 13:36, Joe Makowiec wrote:
> On 02 Feb 2023 in alt.folklore.computers, johnson wrote:
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>> On 2023-02-02, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
>>> Is anyone still here? Some pinhead posted a huge binary
>>> to the group, which is a pretty effective DOS attack.
>>>
>>
>> adsum
>
> +1 for classical response
>
Caesar adsum jam forte?
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Re: After the storm, hopefully [message #418947 is a reply to message #418934] |
Sat, 04 February 2023 10:21 |
Andy Burns
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Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> greymaus wrote:
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>> Amazing [...] after years of pushing EV's, how little they have
>> penetrated the market.
>
> Not really - they're still expensive options mostly bought new.
> They haven't really trickled down to the second hand market where most
> people buy their cars. I've been looking at it for some time, currently the
> only EVs that are good enough to completely replace my car are only
> available new or very nearly so
If I was running more than one car, I'd be more likely to consider an EV
as one of them, but I'm not ...
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Re: After the storm, hopefully [message #418948 is a reply to message #418946] |
Sat, 04 February 2023 10:05 |
Ahem A Rivet's Shot
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On Sat, 4 Feb 2023 14:21:48 +0000
gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 03/02/2023 13:36, Joe Makowiec wrote:
>> On 02 Feb 2023 in alt.folklore.computers, johnson wrote:
>>
>>> On 2023-02-02, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
>>>> Is anyone still here? Some pinhead posted a huge binary
>>>> to the group, which is a pretty effective DOS attack.
>>>>
>>>
>>> adsum
>>
>> +1 for classical response
>>
>
> Caesar adsum jam forte?
I once couldn't resist translating "summum est acumen" as "summer is
a comin'" which took a few minutes out of the latin lesson.
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Re: After the storm, hopefully [message #418952 is a reply to message #418928] |
Sat, 04 February 2023 20:31 |
Rich Alderson
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scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) writes:
> Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> writes:
>> Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes:
>>
>>> Is anyone still here? Some pinhead posted a huge binary
>>> to the group, which is a pretty effective DOS attack.
>>
>> Never saw said binary. Been here all along.
>
> It depends, of course, on the usenet provider. Mine did not
> filter the posts; there were some forty thousands parts posted
> over a two day stretch.
Holy <bleep>! Yet another reason I <heart> Panix!
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Audendum est, et veritas investiganda; quam etiamsi non assequamur,
omnino tamen proprius, quam nunc sumus, ad eam perveniemus.
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Re: After the storm, hopefully [message #418961 is a reply to message #418906] |
Mon, 06 February 2023 05:56 |
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Originally posted by: Marco Moock
Am 02.02.2023 um 18:10:46 Uhr schrieb Charlie Gibbs:
> Is anyone still here? Some pinhead posted a huge binary
> to the group, which is a pretty effective DOS attack.
Good news servers block binary posts in text groups.
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Re: After the storm, hopefully [message #418964 is a reply to message #418961] |
Mon, 06 February 2023 06:57 |
Jan van den Broek
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2023-02-06, Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> schrieb:
> Am 02.02.2023 um 18:10:46 Uhr schrieb Charlie Gibbs:
>
>> Is anyone still here? Some pinhead posted a huge binary
>> to the group, which is a pretty effective DOS attack.
>
> Good news servers block binary posts in text groups.
Good news servers block _all_ binary posts.
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