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Originally posted by: Bud Spencer
On Sun, 17 Jul 2022, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2022-07-17, J Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 15 Jul 2022 16:36:04 -0000 (UTC), John Levine
>> <johnl@taugh.com> wrote:
>>
>>> According to gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com>:
>>>
>>>> So, has McAfee itself become the virus our parents warned us against?
>>>
>>> Probably. If you're running a reasonably recent version of Windows, the
>>> free anti-virus that Microsoft includes is as good as any of the paid ones.
>>
>> Our problems with malware started when some scam artist figured out
>> that he could get paid 50 bucks a shot for malware if he called it
>> "antivirus".
>
> Was his name Bill Gates? <g,d&r>
The very same who is now "saving" you with his "covid vaccine" ... makes
you think ... or not.
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| Re: what's a virus, Has McAfee itself become the virus our parents warned us against? [message #415125 is a reply to message #415092] |
Sun, 17 July 2022 15:59 |
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Originally posted by: Vir Campestris
On 16/07/2022 15:31, maus wrote:
> The spanish flu existed. I remember people talking about it, the whole
> world suffered from it.
This clown thinks viruses are "Roman quack medicine".
I've seen electron micrographs of viruses prepared by people I trust
with equipment I've touched.
I don't know what education he has, or what he's trying to do, but
people like him are responsible for many deaths. Far more than those
who've suffered from the vaccines.
Andy
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| Re: what's a virus, Has McAfee itself become the virus our parents warned us against? [message #415129 is a reply to message #415125] |
Sun, 17 July 2022 17:42 |
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Originally posted by: Doublethink
On 7/17/22 14:59, Vir Campestris wrote:
> On 16/07/2022 15:31, maus wrote:
>> The spanish flu existed. I remember people talking about it, the whole
>> world suffered from it.
>
> This clown thinks viruses are "Roman quack medicine".
>
> I've seen electron micrographs of viruses prepared by people I trust
> with equipment I've touched.
>
> I don't know what education he has, or what he's trying to do, but
> people like him are responsible for many deaths. Far more than those
> who've suffered from the vaccines.
You think it was a 'virus' that you were looking at. I've seen countless
electron microscope scans of the 'virus' and they're bunk. Anyone can
take a scan of sputum and call it 'virus' or 'Bullwinkle' or whatever
they want to call it. The identification of the 'pathogen' is based on
circular reasoning, not on Koch's postulates. Sorry to break it to you,
but you've been duped.
The most sophisticated methods in serology require highly holy and
special equipment that only the initiated can operate or
understand--like peepstones, magic wands, sacred bones, and talismans.
The religious ritual of the face mask also goes back ages, and was long
common among witch doctors, shamans, and pagans as a signal of
submission to their gods or spirits, to ward off sickness thought to be
caused by demons. Not all witch doctors and shamans were intentionally
committing fraud. Many of them believed their own nonsense. This
delusional belief breeds confidence that is convincing to the ignorant,
and revolting to those of us possessing true wisdom.
Scans of imaginary viruses are just an updated version of this. Many
scammers believe in their own scam. They have to because they have so
much invested in it. The delusion multiplies like a virus.
The CEO of Theranos is a perfect example of this insanity. She was not
an exception to the rule. She is the rule in the medical science field.
She just ripped off the wrong people, who happened to be prominent
politicians. If she hadn't ripped off the wrong people you'd be hearing
about her magical medical diagnosis machine and reading its praises to
this day.
When the human body is exposed to certain stressors, such as a new form
of electromagnetic radiation (Terrestrial Radio in 1920 & 5G in 2020),
the cells produce exosomes to adapt to the new stressor. When these
exosomes are expelled, the medical mafia declares them as 'contagious
viruses' and sells billions in vaccines to 'fight the virus.' The
promoters of the snake oil have great incentive to believe their own
delusions about their product and its necessity. In reality the stressor
that induces the exosome expulsion is not even considered by the medical
'scientists' as they jump straight into production.
But the 'virus' was created by the stress response, not by an invasion
of the immune system.
This once was common knowledge until some very rich and powerful people
realized they could have a guaranteed annual income of billions in
perpetuity by selling the witch's brew called 'vaccine.'
Before Jonas Salk came along, the practice of vaccines (which dates back
to the dawn of western civilization) was considered witchcraft. It was
right up there with head shrinking and trepanation of the skull.
Like the scripture says: "I will send among them a strong delusion ..."
And it also says: "Come out of her my people ... that ye receive not of
her plagues ..." I came out of the darkness into the light well before
the plandemic, so I saw her plague coming before she manufactured it.
And the scripture also says:
"O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane
and vain babblings, and oppositions of *science* falsely so called:
Which some professing have erred concerning the faith." (1 Timothy 6:20)
Mankind is corrupted by self-serving delusions that make him cock-sure
that his idiotic superstitions are 'science' or 'truth.' The goblins
can't get away with stake burnings today, so they settle for economic
assassination to silence dissent and keep the herd in line with the cult.
As for your final paragraph:
Doublethink - Wikipedia
Doublethink is a process of indoctrination in which subjects are
expected to simultaneously accept two conflicting beliefs as truth,
often at odds with their own memory or sense of reality. Doublethink is
related to, but differs from, hypocrisy. George Orwell coined the term
doublethink (as part of the fictional language of Newspeak) in his 1949
dystopian novel Nineteen Eighty-Four.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doublethink
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| Re: what's a virus, Has McAfee itself become the virus our parents warned us against? [message #415139 is a reply to message #415102] |
Mon, 18 July 2022 10:44 |
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Originally posted by: Shell Prompt
On Sat, 16 Jul 2022 12:25:14 -0500, in <taus8m$3fhns$1@news.mixmin.net>,
Redneck <nospam@red.neck> wrote:
> On 7/16/22 11:04, D.J. wrote:
>> On Sat, 16 Jul 2022 10:27:01 -0500, Redneck <nospam@red.neck> wrote:
>>> On 7/16/22 10:15, D.J. wrote:
>>>> > There is no virus. It's a scam. The fact you are not talking about
>>>> > the obvious speaks volumes. Until you actually question the lies you
>>>> > are being spoonfed, I know you are arrogant stooges, and you deserve
>>>> > the medical and political abuse you so slavishly allow.
>>>> You are the liar. Over 1 million dead just in the US from covid
>>>
>>> You are a sucker, suck-up, and useful idiot.
>>>
>>> The dead who died from the plandemic died from intubation, medical
>>> neglect, and dangerous experimental vaccines.
>>>
>>> You helped murder those people with your support of the big lie. You
>>> are a murderer!
>>
>> Aw, the crazy man is trying to lecture on on how stupid he is.
>> --
>> Jim
>
> "For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, He hath a
> devil."
>
> Here the medical cultist is medicalizing dissent, showing his true
> colors.
>
> You are a murderer, Jim. You support the imperialist lies that have
> killed and maimed countless people. Your civilization has been conquered
> by a religious cult of liars who have captured all the licensed
> professions. You are a conquered people.
>
> You support a medical experiment on billions of people, and have the
> pluck to call me 'crazy' and 'stupid.' Your arrogance is astounding.
>
> -- Redneck
I see one of Putin's pleasure players has come to visit.
(Russian trolls are capitalizing on the polarization in America with
their disinformation campaigns.)
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| Re: what's a virus, Has McAfee itself become the virus our parents warned us against? [message #415140 is a reply to message #415090] |
Mon, 18 July 2022 11:28 |
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On Saturday, July 16, 2022 at 5:44:32 AM UTC-6, Redneck wrote:
> There is no virus. It's a scam.
You present zero evidence of that. Historical mistakes in
reacting to disease do not invalidate current medical
science.
Your assertiions, based on no evidence, only political
paranoia, do not outweigh information from credible sources
when people face a potential threat to their lives.
John Savard
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| Re: what's a virus, Has McAfee itself become the virus our parents warned us against? [message #415141 is a reply to message #415114] |
Mon, 18 July 2022 11:35 |
Quadibloc
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On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 9:56:37 AM UTC-6, J. Clarke wrote:
> So some loon posts lunacy and some idiot listens and gets dead for his
> trouble and the loon posting lunacy is a murderer? Sorry, we are all
> responsible for our own decisions, including the idiot who got dead.
*And* including the loon who posted lunacy.
However, being able to trace which loon the idiot listened to is so impractical
that this is not a useful strategy of deterrence.
Of course we are all responsible for our decisions. But the fact that we have
to put locks on our doors, or doubt what other people say, is because of evil
thieves and liars, it's not because of honest people. Honest people *deserve*
to live in a world where everyone else is honest too.
So making the people who are dishonest pay for *all* the costs of the *existence*
of dishonesty as a possibility is perfectly fair and just.
John Savard
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| Re: what's a virus, Has McAfee itself become the virus our parents warned us against? [message #415142 is a reply to message #415129] |
Mon, 18 July 2022 11:38 |
Quadibloc
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On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 3:42:05 PM UTC-6, Doublethink wrote:
> Before Jonas Salk came along, the practice of vaccines (which dates back
> to the dawn of western civilization) was considered witchcraft. It was
> right up there with head shrinking and trepanation of the skull.
And after Jonas Salk came along, you could go to the beach in the summer
without having to worry about winding up in an iron lung.
That would *tend* to suggest that he wasn't engaging in witchcraft, but
in science, wouldn't it?
John Savard
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| Re: Has McAfee itself become the virus our parents warned us against? [message #415144 is a reply to message #415124] |
Mon, 18 July 2022 11:54 |
D.J.
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On Sun, 17 Jul 2022 22:48:09 +0300, Bud Spencer <bud@campo.verano.it>
wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Jul 2022, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>
>> On 2022-07-17, J Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 15 Jul 2022 16:36:04 -0000 (UTC), John Levine
>>> <johnl@taugh.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> According to gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com>:
>>>>
>>>> > So, has McAfee itself become the virus our parents warned us against?
>>>>
>>>> Probably. If you're running a reasonably recent version of Windows, the
>>>> free anti-virus that Microsoft includes is as good as any of the paid ones.
>>>
>>> Our problems with malware started when some scam artist figured out
>>> that he could get paid 50 bucks a shot for malware if he called it
>>> "antivirus".
>>
>> Was his name Bill Gates? <g,d&r>
>
> The very same who is now "saving" you with his "covid vaccine" ... makes
> you think ... or not.
He didn't. Covid is real, but don't take the vaccine. It will be good
bye to stupid.
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| Re: what's a virus, Has McAfee itself become the virus our parents warned us against? [message #415145 is a reply to message #415129] |
Mon, 18 July 2022 11:56 |
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On Sun, 17 Jul 2022 16:42:39 -0500, Doublethink <double@think.dos>
wrote:
> You think it was a 'virus' that you were looking at. I've seen countless
> electron microscope scans of the 'virus' and they're bunk. Anyone can
> take a scan of sputum and call it 'virus' or 'Bullwinkle' or whatever
> they want to call it. The identification of the 'pathogen' is based on
> circular reasoning, not on Koch's postulates. Sorry to break it to you,
> but you've been duped.
Oh look, another crazy.
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Jim
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| Re: what's a virus, Has McAfee itself become the virus our parents warned us against? [message #415146 is a reply to message #415114] |
Mon, 18 July 2022 12:00 |
D.J.
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On Sun, 17 Jul 2022 11:56:26 -0400, J. Clarke
<jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Jul 2022 11:05:24 -0500, D.J. <chucktheouch@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 16 Jul 2022 11:50:03 -0400, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> maus <maus@dmaus.org> writes:
>>>
>>>> On 2022-07-16, D.J <chucktheouch@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> > On Sat, 16 Jul 2022 06:45:02 -0500, Redneck <spam@red.neck> wrote:
>>>> >>On 7/15/22 19:16, Peter Flass wrote:
>>>> >>> John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote:
>>>> >>>> According to Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca>:
>>>> >>being spoonfed, I know you are arrogant stooges, and you deserve the
>>>> >>medical and political abuse you so slavishly allow.
>>>> >
>>>> > You are the liar. Over 1 million dead just in the US from covid
>>>> > .
>>>> > --
>>>> > Jim
>>>>
>>>> Ignore the troll, I was tempted, Lord, and succumed.
>>>
>>> Yep. Another one too stupid to even try to reason with.
>>
>> If that fools misinformation causes one death, they should be charged
>> with murder. Their posts are too literate to be that dumb.
>
> So some loon posts lunacy and some idiot listens and gets dead for his
> trouble and the loon posting lunacy is a murderer? Sorry, we are all
> responsible for our own decisions, including the idiot who got dead. I
> realize that a major thrust of modern liberalism is to protect us from
> our own poor judgment and to find someone to blame for our own poor
> judgment--this is one of the reasons that they are having trouble
> getting votes from anybody who doesn't live a sheltered life in some
> big huge city.
I prefer to hold crap posters responsible for their crap.
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| Re: what's a virus, Has McAfee itself become the virus our parents warned us against? [message #415147 is a reply to message #415122] |
Mon, 18 July 2022 12:01 |
D.J.
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On Sun, 17 Jul 2022 14:25:42 -0500, Divine Hate Crime
<divine@hate.crime> wrote:
> On 7/17/22 10:56, J. Clarke wrote:
>> I
>> realize that a major thrust of modern liberalism is to protect us from
>> our own poor judgment and to find someone to blame for our own poor
>> judgment--this is one of the reasons that they are having trouble
>> getting votes from anybody who doesn't live a sheltered life in some
>> big huge city.
>
> The problem is that 'liberals' have the poorest judgment of all. They
> are not on some pedestal meting out 'wisdom' and 'prudence' to the rest
More vermin.
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| Re: what's a virus, Has McAfee itself become the virus our parents warned us against? [message #415149 is a reply to message #415147] |
Mon, 18 July 2022 12:47 |
Charlie Gibbs
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On 2022-07-18, D.J <chucktheouch@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Jul 2022 14:25:42 -0500, Divine Hate Crime
> <divine@hate.crime> wrote:
>
>> On 7/17/22 10:56, J. Clarke wrote:
>>
>>> I
>>> realize that a major thrust of modern liberalism is to protect us from
>>> our own poor judgment and to find someone to blame for our own poor
>>> judgment--this is one of the reasons that they are having trouble
>>> getting votes from anybody who doesn't live a sheltered life in some
>>> big huge city.
>>
>> The problem is that 'liberals' have the poorest judgment of all. They
>> are not on some pedestal meting out 'wisdom' and 'prudence' to the rest
>
> More vermin.
Nah, probably just the same nymshifter.
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| Re: what's a virus, Has McAfee itself become the virus our parents warned us against? [message #415151 is a reply to message #415142] |
Mon, 18 July 2022 14:12 |
John Levine
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According to Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca>:
> On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 3:42:05 PM UTC-6, Doublethink wrote:
>
>> Before Jonas Salk came along, the practice of vaccines (which dates back
>> to the dawn of western civilization) was considered witchcraft.
We got vaccines against whooping cough, diptheria, and tetanus by the
1930s, which were combined into DPT in 1948, even before the Salk and
Sabin polio vaccines in the 1950s.
If that's witchcraft, the witches saved a whole lot of children from
illness and death.
Please note Followup-To.
Fun fact: pediatrician Leila Denmark, who was one of the inventors of
the whooping cough vaccine, was born in 1898, started practicing in
1928, retired in 2001, and died in 2012.
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| Re: what's a virus, Has McAfee itself become the virus our parents warned us against? [message #415153 is a reply to message #415149] |
Mon, 18 July 2022 14:57 |
D.J.
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On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 16:47:08 GMT, Charlie Gibbs
<cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
> On 2022-07-18, D.J <chucktheouch@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 17 Jul 2022 14:25:42 -0500, Divine Hate Crime
>> <divine@hate.crime> wrote:
>>
>>> On 7/17/22 10:56, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>
>>>> I
>>>> realize that a major thrust of modern liberalism is to protect us from
>>>> our own poor judgment and to find someone to blame for our own poor
>>>> judgment--this is one of the reasons that they are having trouble
>>>> getting votes from anybody who doesn't live a sheltered life in some
>>>> big huge city.
>>>
>>> The problem is that 'liberals' have the poorest judgment of all. They
>>> are not on some pedestal meting out 'wisdom' and 'prudence' to the rest
>>
>> More vermin.
>
> Nah, probably just the same nymshifter.
I know some actual rednecks. They made the same claims as the ding
dong. Then their friends started dieing, at home. So they now have the
vaccine and take precautions.
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Jim
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| Re: what's a virus, Has McAfee itself become the virus our parents warned us against? [message #415154 is a reply to message #415151] |
Mon, 18 July 2022 14:49 |
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On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 18:12:59 -0000 (UTC)
John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote:
> According to Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca>:
>> On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 3:42:05 PM UTC-6, Doublethink wrote:
>>
>>> Before Jonas Salk came along, the practice of vaccines (which dates
>>> back to the dawn of western civilization) was considered witchcraft.
>
> We got vaccines against whooping cough, diptheria, and tetanus by the
> 1930s, which were combined into DPT in 1948, even before the Salk and
> Sabin polio vaccines in the 1950s.
Vaccination goes back to Edward Jenner who used cowpox to vaccinate
against smallpox in the 1790s. Synthetic vaccines date back to Louis
Pasteur's rabies and anthrax vaccines in the late 1800s.
> If that's witchcraft, the witches saved a whole lot of children from
> illness and death.
I don't recall hearing about either Jenner or Pasteur being
described as witches or even warlocks.
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| Re: what's a virus, Has McAfee itself become the virus our parents warned us against? [message #415155 is a reply to message #415153] |
Mon, 18 July 2022 15:16 |
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D.J. <chucktheouch@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 16:47:08 GMT, Charlie Gibbs
> <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2022-07-18, D.J <chucktheouch@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 17 Jul 2022 14:25:42 -0500, Divine Hate Crime
>>> <divine@hate.crime> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 7/17/22 10:56, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > I
>>>> > realize that a major thrust of modern liberalism is to protect us from
>>>> > our own poor judgment and to find someone to blame for our own poor
>>>> > judgment--this is one of the reasons that they are having trouble
>>>> > getting votes from anybody who doesn't live a sheltered life in some
>>>> > big huge city.
>>>>
>>>> The problem is that 'liberals' have the poorest judgment of all. They
>>>> are not on some pedestal meting out 'wisdom' and 'prudence' to the rest
>>>
>>> More vermin.
>>
>> Nah, probably just the same nymshifter.
>
> I know some actual rednecks. They made the same claims as the ding
> dong. Then their friends started dieing, at home. So they now have the
> vaccine and take precautions.
But a lot of them won’t admit it, for fear of looking bad to their crazy
friends. I’m thinking of the politician who got vaccinated, bur refused to
say so when asked.
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| Re: what's a virus, Has McAfee itself become the virus our parents warned us against? [message #415158 is a reply to message #415154] |
Mon, 18 July 2022 15:56 |
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Originally posted by: maus
On 2022-07-18, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 18:12:59 -0000 (UTC)
> John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote:
>
>> According to Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca>:
>>> On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 3:42:05 PM UTC-6, Doublethink wrote:
>>>
>>>> Before Jonas Salk came along, the practice of vaccines (which dates
>>>> back to the dawn of western civilization) was considered witchcraft.
>>
>> We got vaccines against whooping cough, diptheria, and tetanus by the
>> 1930s, which were combined into DPT in 1948, even before the Salk and
>> Sabin polio vaccines in the 1950s.
>
> Vaccination goes back to Edward Jenner who used cowpox to vaccinate
> against smallpox in the 1790s. Synthetic vaccines date back to Louis
> Pasteur's rabies and anthrax vaccines in the late 1800s.
Actually, according some recent things I have read, no cite, but a sort
of vaccination had been used in Africa and Europe well before that.
Jenner publicised it.
>
>> If that's witchcraft, the witches saved a whole lot of children from
>> illness and death.
>
> I don't recall hearing about either Jenner or Pasteur being
> described as witches or even warlocks.
>
The recent vaccines are completely different. They should be derided as
the catchpennies they are, to save genuine medicine and science.
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If not, send us all your money."
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| Re: what's a virus, Has McAfee itself become the virus our parents warned us against? [message #415159 is a reply to message #415155] |
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Originally posted by: maus
On 2022-07-18, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
> D.J. <chucktheouch@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 16:47:08 GMT, Charlie Gibbs
>> dong. Then their friends started dieing, at home. So they now have the
>> vaccine and take precautions.
>
> But a lot of them won’t admit it, for fear of looking bad to their crazy
> friends. I’m thinking of the politician who got vaccinated, bur refused to
> say so when asked.
>
The man signed `Redneck' is actually a vaccine supporter, trying to
doscredit genuine doubters.
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If not, send us all your money."
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| Re: what's a virus, Has McAfee itself become the virus our parents warned us against? [message #415162 is a reply to message #415159] |
Mon, 18 July 2022 16:05 |
Peter Flass
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maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
> On 2022-07-18, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> D.J. <chucktheouch@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 16:47:08 GMT, Charlie Gibbs
>>> dong. Then their friends started dieing, at home. So they now have the
>>> vaccine and take precautions.
>>
>> But a lot of them won’t admit it, for fear of looking bad to their crazy
>> friends. I’m thinking of the politician who got vaccinated, bur refused to
>> say so when asked.
>>
>
> The man signed `Redneck' is actually a vaccine supporter, trying to
> doscredit genuine doubters.
>
>
It’s not necessarily a bad thing to be cautious, but we’re now two years in
on vaccines. How long should people wait? What are they waiting FOR?
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| Re: what's a virus, Has McAfee itself become the virus our parents warned us against? [message #415163 is a reply to message #415158] |
Mon, 18 July 2022 16:10 |
Dan Espen
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maus <maus@dmaus.org> writes:
> On 2022-07-18, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>> On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 18:12:59 -0000 (UTC)
>> John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote:
>>
>>> According to Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca>:
>>>> On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 3:42:05 PM UTC-6, Doublethink wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Before Jonas Salk came along, the practice of vaccines (which dates
>>>> > back to the dawn of western civilization) was considered witchcraft.
>>>
>>> We got vaccines against whooping cough, diptheria, and tetanus by the
>>> 1930s, which were combined into DPT in 1948, even before the Salk and
>>> Sabin polio vaccines in the 1950s.
>>
>> Vaccination goes back to Edward Jenner who used cowpox to vaccinate
>> against smallpox in the 1790s. Synthetic vaccines date back to Louis
>> Pasteur's rabies and anthrax vaccines in the late 1800s.
>
> Actually, according some recent things I have read, no cite, but a sort
> of vaccination had been used in Africa and Europe well before that.
> Jenner publicised it.
>>
>>> If that's witchcraft, the witches saved a whole lot of children from
>>> illness and death.
>>
>> I don't recall hearing about either Jenner or Pasteur being
>> described as witches or even warlocks.
>>
>
> The recent vaccines are completely different. They should be derided as
> the catchpennies they are, to save genuine medicine and science.
WTF are catchpennies?
having a cheap superficial attractiveness designed to encourage quick sales.
"the catchpenny world of commercial publishing"
Another BS comment.
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| Re: what's a virus, Has McAfee itself become the virus our parents warned us against? [message #415193 is a reply to message #415158] |
Tue, 19 July 2022 00:31 |
Quadibloc
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On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 1:56:46 PM UTC-6, maus wrote:
> On 2022-07-18, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <ste...@eircom.net> wrote:
>> I don't recall hearing about either Jenner or Pasteur being
>> described as witches or even warlocks.
> The recent vaccines are completely different. They should be derided as
> the catchpennies they are, to save genuine medicine and science.
It is true that the recent vaccines are mRNA vaccines, and thus work on
a somewhat different principle than the vaccines which preceded them.
This allowed them to be developed more rapidly in response to the COVID-19
pandemic, at the cost of their having to be stored and transported at colder
temperatures with greater difficulty.
However, they were still effective at keeping a lot of people from winding up
in hospitals on ventilators with a huge chance of dying. They're not "different"
in some way that makes them fakes or frauds.
John Savard
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| Re: what's a virus, Has McAfee itself become the virus our parents warned us against? [message #415194 is a reply to message #415159] |
Tue, 19 July 2022 00:34 |
Quadibloc
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On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 1:59:42 PM UTC-6, maus wrote:
> The man signed `Redneck' is actually a vaccine supporter, trying to
> doscredit genuine doubters.
I suppose that's possible. I have no way to tell if that is the case or not.
There _are_ actual people whose beliefs are similar to those expressed
by "Redneck". I know this because a bunch of them got on television on
the sixth of January of this year.
John Savard
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| Re: what's a virus, Has McAfee itself become the virus our parents warned us against? [message #415195 is a reply to message #415162] |
Tue, 19 July 2022 00:47 |
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Originally posted by: Voice of REASON
Peter Flass wrote:
> maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
>> On 2022-07-18, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> D.J. <chucktheouch@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 16:47:08 GMT, Charlie Gibbs
>>>> dong. Then their friends started dieing, at home. So they now have the
>>>> vaccine and take precautions.
>>>
>>> But a lot of them won’t admit it, for fear of looking bad to their crazy
>>> friends. I’m thinking of the politician who got vaccinated, bur refused to
>>> say so when asked.
>>>
>>
>> The man signed `Redneck' is actually a vaccine supporter, trying to
>> doscredit genuine doubters.
>>
>>
>
> It’s not necessarily a bad thing to be cautious, but we’re now two years in
> on vaccines. How long should people wait? What are they waiting FOR?
>
FDA approval for the chickenpox vaccine took 20 years.
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| Re: what's a virus, Has McAfee itself become the virus our parents warned us against? [message #415203 is a reply to message #415193] |
Tue, 19 July 2022 01:13 |
Ahem A Rivet's Shot
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On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 21:31:36 -0700 (PDT)
Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
> On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 1:56:46 PM UTC-6, maus wrote:
>> On 2022-07-18, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <ste...@eircom.net> wrote:
>
>>> I don't recall hearing about either Jenner or Pasteur being
>>> described as witches or even warlocks.
>
>> The recent vaccines are completely different. They should be derided as
>> the catchpennies they are, to save genuine medicine and science.
>
> It is true that the recent vaccines are mRNA vaccines, and thus work on
> a somewhat different principle than the vaccines which preceded them.
The principle is largely the same, expose the immune system to
something safer that will train it to recognise and attack the dangerous
virus immediately. The only difference is that instead of training with a
whole virus that can do its own damage the training is done with an mRNA
fragment that is effectively a maximally denatured virus stripped down to
just the recognisable bit.
> This allowed them to be developed more rapidly in response to the COVID-19
> pandemic, at the cost of their having to be stored and transported at
> colder temperatures with greater difficulty.
Yes, largely because there was no need to find a way to make the
real virus safe.
> However, they were still effective at keeping a lot of people from
> winding up in hospitals on ventilators with a huge chance of dying.
> They're not "different" in some way that makes them fakes or frauds.
They're not even fundamentally different, just optimised. Think of
it as like the difference between using Excel to do arithmetic and coding
the sums in assembler.
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Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
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| Re: what's a virus, Has McAfee itself become the virus our parents warned us against? [message #415204 is a reply to message #415193] |
Tue, 19 July 2022 02:36 |
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Originally posted by: maus
On 2022-07-19, Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
> On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 1:56:46 PM UTC-6, maus wrote:
>> On 2022-07-18, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <ste...@eircom.net> wrote:
>
>>> I don't recall hearing about either Jenner or Pasteur being
>>> described as witches or even warlocks.
>
>> The recent vaccines are completely different. They should be derided as
>> the catchpennies they are, to save genuine medicine and science.
>
> It is true that the recent vaccines are mRNA vaccines, and thus work on
> a somewhat different principle than the vaccines which preceded them.
> This allowed them to be developed more rapidly in response to the COVID-19
> pandemic, at the cost of their having to be stored and transported at colder
> temperatures with greater difficulty.
>
> However, they were still effective at keeping a lot of people from winding up
> in hospitals on ventilators with a huge chance of dying. They're not "different"
> in some way that makes them fakes or frauds.
>
> John Savard
If I went to my vet and bought a vaccine from him, and injected into my
sheep/cattle/etc/rabbits, and they continued to suffer from the disease
that the vaccine was supposed to prevent, I would go back to the vet and
say, ``Where is my money, dude?.''
Even Dr. Fauchi admits now that it is all a waste of time.
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greymausg@mail.com
"Are you sure that you can live on your investments after retirement?
If not, send us all your money."
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| Re: what's a virus, Has McAfee itself become the virus our parents warned us against? [message #415205 is a reply to message #415203] |
Tue, 19 July 2022 02:38 |
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Originally posted by: maus
On 2022-07-19, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 21:31:36 -0700 (PDT)
> Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>
>> On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 1:56:46 PM UTC-6, maus wrote:
>>> On 2022-07-18, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <ste...@eircom.net> wrote:
>>
> real virus safe.
>
>> However, they were still effective at keeping a lot of people from
>> winding up in hospitals on ventilators with a huge chance of dying.
>> They're not "different" in some way that makes them fakes or frauds.
>
> They're not even fundamentally different, just optimised. Think of
> it as like the difference between using Excel to do arithmetic and coding
> the sums in assembler.
>
Put it better, the difference between Excel and Awk.
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If not, send us all your money."
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| Re: what's a virus, Has McAfee itself become the virus our parents warned us against? [message #415206 is a reply to message #415194] |
Tue, 19 July 2022 02:41 |
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Originally posted by: maus
On 2022-07-19, Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
> On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 1:59:42 PM UTC-6, maus wrote:
>
>> The man signed `Redneck' is actually a vaccine supporter, trying to
>> doscredit genuine doubters.
>
> I suppose that's possible. I have no way to tell if that is the case or not.
I came to that conclusion after noticing that some of the anti-vaxxers
here were so obnoxious.
>
> There _are_ actual people whose beliefs are similar to those expressed
> by "Redneck". I know this because a bunch of them got on television on
> the sixth of January of this year.
>
> John Savard
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| Re: what's a virus, Has McAfee itself become the virus our parents warned us against? [message #415208 is a reply to message #415195] |
Tue, 19 July 2022 04:09 |
Quadibloc
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On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 10:47:56 PM UTC-6, Voice of REASON wrote:
> FDA approval for the chickenpox vaccine took 20 years.
Well, we had lived with chicken pox for a long time, and it
wasn't *killing people*.
This new COVID-19 was killing many of the people it infected;
and those who had severe symptoms needed to be put on
ventilators at hospitals to have a chance of surviving - and
the hospitals were being overwhelmed.
So without a vaccine - quickly - thousands of people would
have died. So, yes, things were expedited because they had to
be. What part of "emergency use authorization" don't you understand?
John Savard
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| Re: Has McAfee itself become the virus our parents warned us against? [message #415213 is a reply to message #415144] |
Tue, 19 July 2022 09:54 |
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Originally posted by: Bud Spencer
On Mon, 18 Jul 2022, D.J. wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Jul 2022 22:48:09 +0300, Bud Spencer <bud@campo.verano.it>
> wrote:
>> On Sun, 17 Jul 2022, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>
>>> On 2022-07-17, J Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 15 Jul 2022 16:36:04 -0000 (UTC), John Levine
>>>> <johnl@taugh.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > According to gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com>:
>>>> >
>>>> >> So, has McAfee itself become the virus our parents warned us against?
>>>> >
>>>> > Probably. If you're running a reasonably recent version of Windows, the
>>>> > free anti-virus that Microsoft includes is as good as any of the paid ones.
>>>>
>>>> Our problems with malware started when some scam artist figured out
>>>> that he could get paid 50 bucks a shot for malware if he called it
>>>> "antivirus".
>>>
>>> Was his name Bill Gates? <g,d&r>
>>
>> The very same who is now "saving" you with his "covid vaccine" ... makes
>> you think ... or not.
>
> He didn't. Covid is real, but don't take the vaccine. It will be good
> bye to stupid.
Covid is as real as teletubbies ... also teletubbies are featured in TV.
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| Re: Has McAfee itself become the virus our parents warned us against? [message #415218 is a reply to message #415213] |
Tue, 19 July 2022 12:15 |
D.J.
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On Tue, 19 Jul 2022 16:54:53 +0300, Bud Spencer <bud@campo.verano.it>
wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Jul 2022, D.J. wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 17 Jul 2022 22:48:09 +0300, Bud Spencer <bud@campo.verano.it>
>> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 17 Jul 2022, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2022-07-17, J Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > On Fri, 15 Jul 2022 16:36:04 -0000 (UTC), John Levine
>>>> > <johnl@taugh.com> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> According to gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com>:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> So, has McAfee itself become the virus our parents warned us against?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Probably. If you're running a reasonably recent version of Windows, the
>>>> >> free anti-virus that Microsoft includes is as good as any of the paid ones.
>>>> >
>>>> > Our problems with malware started when some scam artist figured out
>>>> > that he could get paid 50 bucks a shot for malware if he called it
>>>> > "antivirus".
>>>>
>>>> Was his name Bill Gates? <g,d&r>
>>>
>>> The very same who is now "saving" you with his "covid vaccine" ... makes
>>> you think ... or not.
>>
>> He didn't. Covid is real, but don't take the vaccine. It will be good
>> bye to stupid.
>
> Covid is as real as teletubbies ... also teletubbies are featured in TV.
One of my relatives spent 5 weeks in the hospital due to covid. So it
is real. You can pretend all you want, but reality wont change.
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Jim
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| Re: Has McAfee itself become the virus our parents warned us against? [message #415220 is a reply to message #415219] |
Tue, 19 July 2022 13:18 |
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Originally posted by: maus
On 2022-07-19, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Jul 2022 16:54:53 +0300
> Bud Spencer <bud@campo.verano.it> wrote:
>
>> Covid is as real as teletubbies ... also teletubbies are featured in TV.
>
> Two people I know well have had this imaginary disease, you are
> talking out of the wrong end of your alimentary canal.
>
Nobody sensible denies the existence of covid. It's a mild illness of
the lungs, as is flu and common cold. Combined with overweightness and
other problems, it can, and has, killed. The vaccine was rushed out as a
stopgap measure.
I was in hospital around the time in hit the headlines, and possibly got
it. Hospitals are full of sick people, naturally, and at that time, the
local hospitals also had lots of bedblockers, people not able to manage
at home, or had been sent to `retirement homes' and sent back, as
those places will not take contrary people. I had one old lady that used
to come to the end of the bed and scream at me, I dunno about what.
She used to do the same with the doctors, which was unwise. A lot of
those sort of people were cleared out to `retirement homes' when the
disease was recognized.
Children should be allowed play outside. Sure, they get sick, but they
recover and develop resistance, in a natural way. Lockdowns and masks
are stupid. Children need to see their Mother's smile, it gives them
confidence that will last them for life. I knew men that thought they
were tough, yet at the last, called for their Mothers.
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| Re: Has McAfee itself become the virus our parents warned us against? [message #415221 is a reply to message #415220] |
Tue, 19 July 2022 13:27 |
Dan Espen
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maus <maus@dmaus.org> writes:
> On 2022-07-19, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>> On Tue, 19 Jul 2022 16:54:53 +0300
>> Bud Spencer <bud@campo.verano.it> wrote:
>>
>>> Covid is as real as teletubbies ... also teletubbies are featured in TV.
>>
>> Two people I know well have had this imaginary disease, you are
>> talking out of the wrong end of your alimentary canal.
>>
>
> Nobody sensible denies the existence of covid. It's a mild illness of
> the lungs, as is flu and common cold. Combined with overweightness and
> other problems, it can, and has, killed. The vaccine was rushed out as a
> stopgap measure.
>
> I was in hospital around the time in hit the headlines, and possibly got
> it. Hospitals are full of sick people, naturally, and at that time, the
> local hospitals also had lots of bedblockers, people not able to manage
> at home, or had been sent to `retirement homes' and sent back, as
> those places will not take contrary people. I had one old lady that used
> to come to the end of the bed and scream at me, I dunno about what.
>
> She used to do the same with the doctors, which was unwise. A lot of
> those sort of people were cleared out to `retirement homes' when the
> disease was recognized.
>
> Children should be allowed play outside. Sure, they get sick, but they
> recover and develop resistance, in a natural way. Lockdowns and masks
> are stupid. Children need to see their Mother's smile, it gives them
> confidence that will last them for life. I knew men that thought they
> were tough, yet at the last, called for their Mothers.
Wow, another full blown idiot says his piece.
Ever hear of long covid?
Mild illness my ass.
F-ing million people dead in the USA and we still have these a-holes
spouting their crap all to support that orange moron.
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| Re: Has McAfee itself become the virus our parents warned us against? [message #415222 is a reply to message #415221] |
Tue, 19 July 2022 13:45 |
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Originally posted by: IIA
On 7/19/22 12:27, Dan Espen wrote:
> Wow, another full blown idiot says his piece.
>
> Ever hear of long covid?
> Mild illness my ass.
> F-ing million people dead in the USA and we still have these a-holes
> spouting their crap all to support that orange moron.
How much does your IIA manager pay you to post your fake stories and
unfounded cultist bloviations?
Your perception management scheme is broken.
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IIA
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| Re: what's a virus, Has McAfee itself become the virus our parents warned us against? [message #415223 is a reply to message #415195] |
Tue, 19 July 2022 13:48 |
Peter Flass
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Voice of REASON <reason@anon.net> wrote:
> Peter Flass wrote:
>> maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
>>> On 2022-07-18, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> D.J. <chucktheouch@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> > On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 16:47:08 GMT, Charlie Gibbs
>>>> > dong. Then their friends started dieing, at home. So they now have the
>>>> > vaccine and take precautions.
>>>>
>>>> But a lot of them won’t admit it, for fear of looking bad to their crazy
>>>> friends. I’m thinking of the politician who got vaccinated, bur refused to
>>>> say so when asked.
>>>>
>>>
>>> The man signed `Redneck' is actually a vaccine supporter, trying to
>>> doscredit genuine doubters.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> It’s not necessarily a bad thing to be cautious, but we’re now two years in
>> on vaccines. How long should people wait? What are they waiting FOR?
>>
>
> FDA approval for the chickenpox vaccine took 20 years.
>
It used to take a week to send a message from New York to San Francisco,
too. We’ve gotten better at things.
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| Re: Has McAfee itself become the virus our parents warned us against? [message #415229 is a reply to message #415222] |
Tue, 19 July 2022 13:51 |
Peter Flass
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IIA <i@i.a> wrote:
> On 7/19/22 12:27, Dan Espen wrote:
>
>> Wow, another full blown idiot says his piece.
>>
>> Ever hear of long covid?
>> Mild illness my ass.
>> F-ing million people dead in the USA and we still have these a-holes
>> spouting their crap all to support that orange moron.
>
> How much does your IIA manager pay you to post your fake stories and
> unfounded cultist bloviations?
>
> Your perception management scheme is broken.
>
It’s interesting that it’s always the people who spout the most outrageous
nonsense try to accuse someone who presents facts as spreading “fake news.”
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Pete
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