| Is the Eternal September over [message #397554] |
Sat, 08 August 2020 09:34  |
faux_dameron
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From wikipedia:
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Eternal September or the September that never ended is Usenet slang for a
period beginning in September 1993, the month that Internet service
provider America Online (AOL) began offering Usenet access to its many
users, overwhelming the existing culture for online forums.
Before then, Usenet was largely restricted to colleges, universities, and
other research institutions. Every September, many incoming students
would acquire access to Usenet for the first time, taking time to become
accustomed to Usenet's standards of conduct and "netiquette". After a
month or so, these new users would either learn to comply with the
networks' social norms or tire of using the service.
Since then the popularity of the Internet has led to a constant stream of
new users. Hence, from the point of view of the early Usenet, the influx
of new users in September 1993 never ended.
Dave Fischer appears to have coined the term in a January 1994 post to
alt.folklore.computers: "It's moot now. September 1993 will go down in
net history as the September that never ended."
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With the exception of those who use Usenet as a means of downloading
pirated material and who provide nothing of value to Usenet at all, is
the eternal september over and should we go back to the days of valuing
quality communication and netiquette? By being over, I mean the gradual
loss of interest in Usenet over centralized corporate platforms like
Reddit, Twitter, and Facebook.
I'm in the process of writing a new guide on netiquette for beginners
based on RFC1855, Spaf's "A Primer on How to Work With the USENET
Community", and a few other documents but without the legalistic nannying
that many "Codes of Conduct" have.
If the Eternal September is over and we care about Usenet as a real and
living form of communication over the Internet, what are the most
important things that we want newbies (and oldies) to know when they
start using Usenet?
JE
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| Re: Is the Eternal September over [message #397556 is a reply to message #397554] |
Sat, 08 August 2020 12:16  |
Dan Espen
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Jason Evans <jsevans@mailfence.com> writes:
> From wikipedia:
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>>
> Eternal September or the September that never ended is Usenet slang for a
> period beginning in September 1993, the month that Internet service
> provider America Online (AOL) began offering Usenet access to its many
> users, overwhelming the existing culture for online forums.
>
> Before then, Usenet was largely restricted to colleges, universities, and
> other research institutions. Every September, many incoming students
> would acquire access to Usenet for the first time, taking time to become
> accustomed to Usenet's standards of conduct and "netiquette". After a
> month or so, these new users would either learn to comply with the
> networks' social norms or tire of using the service.
>
> Since then the popularity of the Internet has led to a constant stream of
> new users. Hence, from the point of view of the early Usenet, the influx
> of new users in September 1993 never ended.
>
> Dave Fischer appears to have coined the term in a January 1994 post to
> alt.folklore.computers: "It's moot now. September 1993 will go down in
> net history as the September that never ended."
>
> With the exception of those who use Usenet as a means of downloading
> pirated material and who provide nothing of value to Usenet at all, is
> the eternal september over and should we go back to the days of valuing
> quality communication and netiquette? By being over, I mean the gradual
> loss of interest in Usenet over centralized corporate platforms like
> Reddit, Twitter, and Facebook.
>
> I'm in the process of writing a new guide on netiquette for beginners
> based on RFC1855, Spaf's "A Primer on How to Work With the USENET
> Community", and a few other documents but without the legalistic nannying
> that many "Codes of Conduct" have.
>
> If the Eternal September is over and we care about Usenet as a real and
> living form of communication over the Internet, what are the most
> important things that we want newbies (and oldies) to know when they
> start using Usenet?
No, definitely not over.
Any doubt in your mind? Head over to alt.home.repair.
I was just reading about brain damage caused by COVID-19.
For some unfathomable reason we're sending kids back to school.
It's going to get worse, much worse.
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Dan Espen
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| Re: Is the Eternal September over [message #397559 is a reply to message #397556] |
Sat, 08 August 2020 12:23 |
faux_dameron
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On Sat, 08 Aug 2020 12:16:09 -0400, Dan Espen wrote:
>> If the Eternal September is over and we care about Usenet as a real and
>> living form of communication over the Internet, what are the most
>> important things that we want newbies (and oldies) to know when they
>> start using Usenet?
>
> No, definitely not over.
> Any doubt in your mind? Head over to alt.home.repair.
>
> I was just reading about brain damage caused by COVID-19.
> For some unfathomable reason we're sending kids back to school.
> It's going to get worse, much worse.
How many of these posts are from new users who don't know any better
because they are new to Usenet and how many are from spammer and trolls
who have been here forever who continually spout nonsense, spam, and
conspiracy theories? They former seems like they would be symptoms of the
Eternal September. The latter seems like they are the cruft that comes
with having unmoderated groups.
JE
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| Re: Is the Eternal September over [message #397562 is a reply to message #397559] |
Sat, 08 August 2020 13:34 |
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Originally posted by: J. Clarke
On Sat, 8 Aug 2020 16:23:46 -0000 (UTC), Jason Evans
<jsevans@mailfence.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 08 Aug 2020 12:16:09 -0400, Dan Espen wrote:
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>>> If the Eternal September is over and we care about Usenet as a real and
>>> living form of communication over the Internet, what are the most
>>> important things that we want newbies (and oldies) to know when they
>>> start using Usenet?
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>> No, definitely not over.
>> Any doubt in your mind? Head over to alt.home.repair.
>>
>> I was just reading about brain damage caused by COVID-19.
>> For some unfathomable reason we're sending kids back to school.
>> It's going to get worse, much worse.
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> How many of these posts are from new users who don't know any better
> because they are new to Usenet and how many are from spammer and trolls
> who have been here forever who continually spout nonsense, spam, and
> conspiracy theories? They former seems like they would be symptoms of the
> Eternal September. The latter seems like they are the cruft that comes
> with having unmoderated groups.
There's also the influx from Google Groups with all of its fallout.
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| Re: Is the Eternal September over [message #397564 is a reply to message #397559] |
Sat, 08 August 2020 13:38 |
Dan Espen
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Jason Evans <jsevans@mailfence.com> writes:
> On Sat, 08 Aug 2020 12:16:09 -0400, Dan Espen wrote:
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>>> If the Eternal September is over and we care about Usenet as a real and
>>> living form of communication over the Internet, what are the most
>>> important things that we want newbies (and oldies) to know when they
>>> start using Usenet?
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>> No, definitely not over.
>> Any doubt in your mind? Head over to alt.home.repair.
>>
>> I was just reading about brain damage caused by COVID-19.
>> For some unfathomable reason we're sending kids back to school.
>> It's going to get worse, much worse.
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> How many of these posts are from new users who don't know any better
> because they are new to Usenet and how many are from spammer and trolls
> who have been here forever who continually spout nonsense, spam, and
> conspiracy theories? They former seems like they would be symptoms of the
> Eternal September. The latter seems like they are the cruft that comes
> with having unmoderated groups.
This is true, but the result is the same.
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Dan Espen
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| Re: Is the Eternal September over [message #397565 is a reply to message #397562] |
Sat, 08 August 2020 13:41 |
Dan Espen
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J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:
> On Sat, 8 Aug 2020 16:23:46 -0000 (UTC), Jason Evans
> <jsevans@mailfence.com> wrote:
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>> On Sat, 08 Aug 2020 12:16:09 -0400, Dan Espen wrote:
>>
>>>> If the Eternal September is over and we care about Usenet as a real and
>>>> living form of communication over the Internet, what are the most
>>>> important things that we want newbies (and oldies) to know when they
>>>> start using Usenet?
>>>
>>> No, definitely not over.
>>> Any doubt in your mind? Head over to alt.home.repair.
>>>
>>> I was just reading about brain damage caused by COVID-19.
>>> For some unfathomable reason we're sending kids back to school.
>>> It's going to get worse, much worse.
>>
>> How many of these posts are from new users who don't know any better
>> because they are new to Usenet and how many are from spammer and trolls
>> who have been here forever who continually spout nonsense, spam, and
>> conspiracy theories? They former seems like they would be symptoms of the
>> Eternal September. The latter seems like they are the cruft that comes
>> with having unmoderated groups.
>
> There's also the influx from Google Groups with all of its fallout.
On a number of groups we have other forums (like homeowners heaven) using
a gateway to Usenet to make it look like they have traffic. I see posts
responding to threads from 10 or 20 years ago with zero citations.
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Dan Espen
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| Re: Is the Eternal September over [message #397567 is a reply to message #397565] |
Sat, 08 August 2020 16:21 |
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Originally posted by: J. Clarke
On Sat, 08 Aug 2020 13:41:19 -0400, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
wrote:
> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> On Sat, 8 Aug 2020 16:23:46 -0000 (UTC), Jason Evans
>> <jsevans@mailfence.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 08 Aug 2020 12:16:09 -0400, Dan Espen wrote:
>>>
>>>> > If the Eternal September is over and we care about Usenet as a real and
>>>> > living form of communication over the Internet, what are the most
>>>> > important things that we want newbies (and oldies) to know when they
>>>> > start using Usenet?
>>>>
>>>> No, definitely not over.
>>>> Any doubt in your mind? Head over to alt.home.repair.
>>>>
>>>> I was just reading about brain damage caused by COVID-19.
>>>> For some unfathomable reason we're sending kids back to school.
>>>> It's going to get worse, much worse.
>>>
>>> How many of these posts are from new users who don't know any better
>>> because they are new to Usenet and how many are from spammer and trolls
>>> who have been here forever who continually spout nonsense, spam, and
>>> conspiracy theories? They former seems like they would be symptoms of the
>>> Eternal September. The latter seems like they are the cruft that comes
>>> with having unmoderated groups.
>>
>> There's also the influx from Google Groups with all of its fallout.
>
> On a number of groups we have other forums (like homeowners heaven) using
> a gateway to Usenet to make it look like they have traffic. I see posts
> responding to threads from 10 or 20 years ago with zero citations.
Yeah. And every once in a while if one comments on a post on one of
those one will be threatened with "I'm going to complain to your
manager". An empty threat to someone who is self-employed, or
retired, or whose manager has no clue that such a thing as USENET
exists.
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| Re: Is the Eternal September over [message #397573 is a reply to message #397556] |
Sat, 08 August 2020 19:53 |
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Originally posted by: Dave Garrett
In article <rgmj4m$tq3$1@dont-email.me>, dan1espen@gmail.com says...
> No, definitely not over.
> Any doubt in your mind? Head over to alt.home.repair.
I gave up on alt.home.repair. Despite employing an aggressive killfile,
the signal-to-noise ratio remained abysmal, primarily due to the gang of
incurably loquacious knob-jockeys who would not budge from their
apparent conviction that the name of the newsgroup was really
alt.politics.home.repair.
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Dave
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| Re: Is the Eternal September over [message #397576 is a reply to message #397573] |
Sat, 08 August 2020 20:43 |
Dan Espen
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Dave Garrett <dave@compassnet.com> writes:
> In article <rgmj4m$tq3$1@dont-email.me>, dan1espen@gmail.com says...
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>> No, definitely not over.
>> Any doubt in your mind? Head over to alt.home.repair.
>
> I gave up on alt.home.repair. Despite employing an aggressive killfile,
> the signal-to-noise ratio remained abysmal, primarily due to the gang of
> incurably loquacious knob-jockeys who would not budge from their
> apparent conviction that the name of the newsgroup was really
> alt.politics.home.repair.
Yeah, don't know why I hang around there.
Kill files barely make a dent.
I guess I like the subject of home repair and I keep hoping they'll
go somewhere else.
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| Re: Is the Eternal September over [message #397586 is a reply to message #397573] |
Sun, 09 August 2020 04:03 |
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Originally posted by: Bob Eager
On Sat, 08 Aug 2020 18:53:03 -0500, Dave Garrett wrote:
> In article <rgmj4m$tq3$1@dont-email.me>, dan1espen@gmail.com says...
>
>> No, definitely not over.
>> Any doubt in your mind? Head over to alt.home.repair.
>
> I gave up on alt.home.repair. Despite employing an aggressive killfile,
> the signal-to-noise ratio remained abysmal, primarily due to the gang of
> incurably loquacious knob-jockeys who would not budge from their
> apparent conviction that the name of the newsgroup was really
> alt.politics.home.repair.
WE have the same problem with uk.d-i-y ...
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| Re: Is the Eternal September over [message #397589 is a reply to message #397586] |
Sun, 09 August 2020 08:25 |
Dan Espen
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Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> writes:
> On Sat, 08 Aug 2020 18:53:03 -0500, Dave Garrett wrote:
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>> In article <rgmj4m$tq3$1@dont-email.me>, dan1espen@gmail.com says...
>>
>>> No, definitely not over.
>>> Any doubt in your mind? Head over to alt.home.repair.
>>
>> I gave up on alt.home.repair. Despite employing an aggressive killfile,
>> the signal-to-noise ratio remained abysmal, primarily due to the gang of
>> incurably loquacious knob-jockeys who would not budge from their
>> apparent conviction that the name of the newsgroup was really
>> alt.politics.home.repair.
>
> WE have the same problem with uk.d-i-y ...
From what I've seen, the uk groups are even worse.
A huge amount of name calling and stalking.
Must be that British humor at work, or all the posters are drunk.
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Dan Espen
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| Re: Is the Eternal September over [message #397591 is a reply to message #397589] |
Sun, 09 August 2020 09:32 |
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Originally posted by: snipeco.2
Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote:
> Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> writes:
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>> On Sat, 08 Aug 2020 18:53:03 -0500, Dave Garrett wrote:
>>
>>> In article <rgmj4m$tq3$1@dont-email.me>, dan1espen@gmail.com says...
>>>
>>>> No, definitely not over.
>>>> Any doubt in your mind? Head over to alt.home.repair.
>>>
>>> I gave up on alt.home.repair. Despite employing an aggressive killfile,
>>> the signal-to-noise ratio remained abysmal, primarily due to the gang of
>>> incurably loquacious knob-jockeys who would not budge from their
>>> apparent conviction that the name of the newsgroup was really
>>> alt.politics.home.repair.
>>
>> WE have the same problem with uk.d-i-y ...
>
> From what I've seen, the uk groups are even worse.
> A huge amount of name calling and stalking.
> Must be that British humor at work, or all the posters are drunk.
>
Re: uk.*
Limiting crossposts to three or fewer groups works wonders, then
a handful of poster-specific killfile entries will do the trick.
Greetings, Usenet fans. Usenet may be moribund but it isn't dead
yet; there is even a glimmer of renaissance.
Usenet's greatest strength is its distributed server nature that
"interprets censorship as damage and routes around it". It's in
the nature of the beast that being free of censorship Usenet can't
silence noisy pests, nor should it. Fortunately, a well managed
killfile and a little self-control can deal with that chore.
IMO Usenet is by far superior to FB, Twitter and Reddit too.
There are very few web forums that can better it.
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| Re: Is the Eternal September over [message #397592 is a reply to message #397589] |
Sun, 09 August 2020 10:01 |
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Originally posted by: Bob Eager
On Sun, 09 Aug 2020 08:25:34 -0400, Dan Espen wrote:
> Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> writes:
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>> On Sat, 08 Aug 2020 18:53:03 -0500, Dave Garrett wrote:
>>
>>> In article <rgmj4m$tq3$1@dont-email.me>, dan1espen@gmail.com says...
>>>
>>>> No, definitely not over.
>>>> Any doubt in your mind? Head over to alt.home.repair.
>>>
>>> I gave up on alt.home.repair. Despite employing an aggressive
>>> killfile, the signal-to-noise ratio remained abysmal, primarily due to
>>> the gang of incurably loquacious knob-jockeys who would not budge from
>>> their apparent conviction that the name of the newsgroup was really
>>> alt.politics.home.repair.
>>
>> WE have the same problem with uk.d-i-y ...
>
> From what I've seen, the uk groups are even worse.
> A huge amount of name calling and stalking.
> Must be that British humor at work, or all the posters are drunk.
No, the Brexiteers are foaming at the mouth...
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| Re: Is the Eternal September over [message #397594 is a reply to message #397592] |
Sun, 09 August 2020 10:40 |
Dan Espen
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Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> writes:
> On Sun, 09 Aug 2020 08:25:34 -0400, Dan Espen wrote:
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>> Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> writes:
>>
>>> On Sat, 08 Aug 2020 18:53:03 -0500, Dave Garrett wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article <rgmj4m$tq3$1@dont-email.me>, dan1espen@gmail.com says...
>>>>
>>>> > No, definitely not over.
>>>> > Any doubt in your mind? Head over to alt.home.repair.
>>>>
>>>> I gave up on alt.home.repair. Despite employing an aggressive
>>>> killfile, the signal-to-noise ratio remained abysmal, primarily due to
>>>> the gang of incurably loquacious knob-jockeys who would not budge from
>>>> their apparent conviction that the name of the newsgroup was really
>>>> alt.politics.home.repair.
>>>
>>> WE have the same problem with uk.d-i-y ...
>>
>> From what I've seen, the uk groups are even worse.
>> A huge amount of name calling and stalking.
>> Must be that British humor at work, or all the posters are drunk.
>
> No, the Brexiteers are foaming at the mouth...
A damn shame, the EU looks like a very good thing to me.
Hopefully a way of ending centuries of European conflict
and putting the EU on an even basis with the US.
Now if we could get a South American and an African union
going.
I suppose Usenet, but more important the Internet can eventually end
the curse of the Tower of Babel.
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| Re: Is the Eternal September over [message #397595 is a reply to message #397594] |
Sun, 09 August 2020 10:57 |
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On 2020-08-09, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote:
> Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> writes:
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>> No, the Brexiteers are foaming at the mouth...
>
> A damn shame, the EU looks like a very good thing to me.
> Hopefully a way of ending centuries of European conflict
> and putting the EU on an even basis with the US.
> Now if we could get a South American and an African union
> going.
The African Union exists, we just don't hear much about it generally.
Niklas
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| Re: Is the Eternal September over [message #397596 is a reply to message #397594] |
Sun, 09 August 2020 11:09 |
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Originally posted by: J. Clarke
On Sun, 09 Aug 2020 10:40:26 -0400, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> writes:
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>> On Sun, 09 Aug 2020 08:25:34 -0400, Dan Espen wrote:
>>
>>> Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> writes:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 08 Aug 2020 18:53:03 -0500, Dave Garrett wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > In article <rgmj4m$tq3$1@dont-email.me>, dan1espen@gmail.com says...
>>>> >
>>>> >> No, definitely not over.
>>>> >> Any doubt in your mind? Head over to alt.home.repair.
>>>> >
>>>> > I gave up on alt.home.repair. Despite employing an aggressive
>>>> > killfile, the signal-to-noise ratio remained abysmal, primarily due to
>>>> > the gang of incurably loquacious knob-jockeys who would not budge from
>>>> > their apparent conviction that the name of the newsgroup was really
>>>> > alt.politics.home.repair.
>>>>
>>>> WE have the same problem with uk.d-i-y ...
>>>
>>> From what I've seen, the uk groups are even worse.
>>> A huge amount of name calling and stalking.
>>> Must be that British humor at work, or all the posters are drunk.
>>
>> No, the Brexiteers are foaming at the mouth...
>
> A damn shame, the EU looks like a very good thing to me.
> Hopefully a way of ending centuries of European conflict
> and putting the EU on an even basis with the US.
> Now if we could get a South American and an African union
> going.
>
> I suppose Usenet, but more important the Internet can eventually end
> the curse of the Tower of Babel.
My impression is that the problem with the EU is not with the concept
but with the execution.
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| Re: Is the Eternal September over [message #397597 is a reply to message #397596] |
Sun, 09 August 2020 11:15 |
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Originally posted by: Bob Eager
On Sun, 09 Aug 2020 11:09:29 -0400, J. Clarke wrote:
> On Sun, 09 Aug 2020 10:40:26 -0400, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> writes:
>>
>>> On Sun, 09 Aug 2020 08:25:34 -0400, Dan Espen wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> writes:
>>>>
>>>> > On Sat, 08 Aug 2020 18:53:03 -0500, Dave Garrett wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> In article <rgmj4m$tq3$1@dont-email.me>, dan1espen@gmail.com
>>>> >> says...
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> No, definitely not over.
>>>> >>> Any doubt in your mind? Head over to alt.home.repair.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I gave up on alt.home.repair. Despite employing an aggressive
>>>> >> killfile, the signal-to-noise ratio remained abysmal, primarily due
>>>> >> to the gang of incurably loquacious knob-jockeys who would not
>>>> >> budge from their apparent conviction that the name of the newsgroup
>>>> >> was really alt.politics.home.repair.
>>>> >
>>>> > WE have the same problem with uk.d-i-y ...
>>>>
>>>> From what I've seen, the uk groups are even worse.
>>>> A huge amount of name calling and stalking.
>>>> Must be that British humor at work, or all the posters are drunk.
>>>
>>> No, the Brexiteers are foaming at the mouth...
>>
>> A damn shame, the EU looks like a very good thing to me.
>> Hopefully a way of ending centuries of European conflict and putting the
>> EU on an even basis with the US.
>> Now if we could get a South American and an African union going.
>>
>> I suppose Usenet, but more important the Internet can eventually end the
>> curse of the Tower of Babel.
>
> My impression is that the problem with the EU is not with the concept
> but with the execution.
It isn't perfect, but membership is a lot better than non-membership.
Being able to work i 28 countries and pass between them with no
restriction.
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| Re: Is the Eternal September over [message #397599 is a reply to message #397597] |
Sun, 09 August 2020 12:32 |
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Originally posted by: Kerr-Mudd,John
On Sun, 09 Aug 2020 15:15:22 GMT, Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> wrote:
> On Sun, 09 Aug 2020 11:09:29 -0400, J. Clarke wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 09 Aug 2020 10:40:26 -0400, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> writes:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 09 Aug 2020 08:25:34 -0400, Dan Espen wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> writes:
>>>> >
>>>> >> On Sat, 08 Aug 2020 18:53:03 -0500, Dave Garrett wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> In article <rgmj4m$tq3$1@dont-email.me>, dan1espen@gmail.com
>>>> >>> says...
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> No, definitely not over.
>>>> >>>> Any doubt in your mind? Head over to alt.home.repair.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I gave up on alt.home.repair. Despite employing an aggressive
>>>> >>> killfile, the signal-to-noise ratio remained abysmal, primarily
due
>>>> >>> to the gang of incurably loquacious knob-jockeys who would not
>>>> >>> budge from their apparent conviction that the name of the
newsgroup
>>>> >>> was really alt.politics.home.repair.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> WE have the same problem with uk.d-i-y ...
>>>> >
>>>> > From what I've seen, the uk groups are even worse.
>>>> > A huge amount of name calling and stalking.
>>>> > Must be that British humor at work, or all the posters are drunk.
>>>>
>>>> No, the Brexiteers are foaming at the mouth...
>>>
>>> A damn shame, the EU looks like a very good thing to me.
>>> Hopefully a way of ending centuries of European conflict and putting
the
>>> EU on an even basis with the US.
>>> Now if we could get a South American and an African union going.
>>>
That's a very naive view, ignoring corporate vested interests.
>>> I suppose Usenet, but more important the Internet can eventually end
the
>>> curse of the Tower of Babel.
>>
>> My impression is that the problem with the EU is not with the concept
>> but with the execution.
>
> It isn't perfect, but membership is a lot better than non-membership.
> Being able to work i 28 countries and pass between them with no
> restriction.
>
Stop trying to get a rise out of Sn!pe. You're all bad boys.
PS add radio-amateur to the list for longest bickering match ever.
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| Re: Is the Eternal September over [message #397601 is a reply to message #397599] |
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Originally posted by: snipeco.2
Kerr-Mudd,John <notsaying@127.0.0.1> wrote:
> On Sun, 09 Aug 2020 15:15:22 GMT, Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 09 Aug 2020 11:09:29 -0400, J. Clarke wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 09 Aug 2020 10:40:26 -0400, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> writes:
>>>>
>>>> > On Sun, 09 Aug 2020 08:25:34 -0400, Dan Espen wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> writes:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> On Sat, 08 Aug 2020 18:53:03 -0500, Dave Garrett wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> In article <rgmj4m$tq3$1@dont-email.me>, dan1espen@gmail.com
>>>> >>>> says...
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>> No, definitely not over.
>>>> >>>>> Any doubt in your mind? Head over to alt.home.repair.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> I gave up on alt.home.repair. Despite employing an aggressive
>>>> >>>> killfile, the signal-to-noise ratio remained abysmal, primarily
> due
>>>> >>>> to the gang of incurably loquacious knob-jockeys who would not
>>>> >>>> budge from their apparent conviction that the name of the
> newsgroup
>>>> >>>> was really alt.politics.home.repair.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> WE have the same problem with uk.d-i-y ...
>>>> >>
>>>> >> From what I've seen, the uk groups are even worse.
>>>> >> A huge amount of name calling and stalking.
>>>> >> Must be that British humor at work, or all the posters are drunk.
>>>> >
>>>> > No, the Brexiteers are foaming at the mouth...
>>>>
>>>> A damn shame, the EU looks like a very good thing to me.
>>>> Hopefully a way of ending centuries of European conflict and putting
> the
>>>> EU on an even basis with the US.
>>>> Now if we could get a South American and an African union going.
>>>>
> That's a very naive view, ignoring corporate vested interests.
>
>>>> I suppose Usenet, but more important the Internet can eventually end
> the
>>>> curse of the Tower of Babel.
>>>
>>> My impression is that the problem with the EU is not with the concept
>>> but with the execution.
>>
>> It isn't perfect, but membership is a lot better than non-membership.
>> Being able to work i 28 countries and pass between them with no
>> restriction.
>>
> Stop trying to get a rise out of Sn!pe. You're all bad boys.
>
> PS add radio-amateur to the list for longest bickering match ever.
It's faintly amusing that some here were complaining about
politics taking over Usenet. Maybe it's just British humour.
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| Re: Is the Eternal September over [message #397602 is a reply to message #397596] |
Sun, 09 August 2020 12:41 |
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On Sun, 09 Aug 2020 11:09:29 -0400
J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
> My impression is that the problem with the EU is not with the concept
> but with the execution.
Another thing about the EU is that many of its provisions are to
the benefit of the individual people at the expense of the national
governments.
The Euro is a prime example - individuals and businesses benefit
greatly from having a common currency across such a large area. Banks lose
out on exchange fees and the split, national governments lose control over
the currency their citizens use. I was working in one country, living in
another and travelling through a third when the Euro came in - I felt the
benefit immediately from not carrying three sets of change around, from not
paying currency exchange fees and from not having my effective income vary
unpredictably with currency fluctuations.
Freedom of movement is another, people get to live and work
wherever they like which means nations have less control over who gets to
live and work in them.
Many of the complaints about Europe tend to be of the form $COUNTRY
suffers $PROBLEM because of Europe doing $THING, failing to observe that
$THING can be of benefit to people and businesses in $COUNTRY who choose
to take advantage of it.
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| Re: Is the Eternal September over [message #397603 is a reply to message #397594] |
Sun, 09 August 2020 13:07 |
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Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote:
> Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> writes:
>
>> On Sun, 09 Aug 2020 08:25:34 -0400, Dan Espen wrote:
>>
>>> Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> writes:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 08 Aug 2020 18:53:03 -0500, Dave Garrett wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > In article <rgmj4m$tq3$1@dont-email.me>, dan1espen@gmail.com says...
>>>> >
>>>> >> No, definitely not over.
>>>> >> Any doubt in your mind? Head over to alt.home.repair.
>>>> >
>>>> > I gave up on alt.home.repair. Despite employing an aggressive
>>>> > killfile, the signal-to-noise ratio remained abysmal, primarily due to
>>>> > the gang of incurably loquacious knob-jockeys who would not budge from
>>>> > their apparent conviction that the name of the newsgroup was really
>>>> > alt.politics.home.repair.
>>>>
>>>> WE have the same problem with uk.d-i-y ...
>>>
>>> From what I've seen, the uk groups are even worse.
>>> A huge amount of name calling and stalking.
>>> Must be that British humor at work, or all the posters are drunk.
>>
>> No, the Brexiteers are foaming at the mouth...
>
> A damn shame, the EU looks like a very good thing to me.
> Hopefully a way of ending centuries of European conflict
> and putting the EU on an even basis with the US.
> Now if we could get a South American and an African union
> going.
>
> I suppose Usenet, but more important the Internet can eventually end
> the curse of the Tower of Babel.
>
At one point I thought a closer union of English-speaking countries would
be good - of course now no one wants to have anything to do with us, we’re
an international pariah. Something like the “five eyes”: US, Canada, UK,
Australia and New Zealand?
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| Re: Is the Eternal September over [message #397604 is a reply to message #397596] |
Sun, 09 August 2020 13:07 |
Peter Flass
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J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 09 Aug 2020 10:40:26 -0400, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> writes:
>>
>>> On Sun, 09 Aug 2020 08:25:34 -0400, Dan Espen wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> writes:
>>>>
>>>> > On Sat, 08 Aug 2020 18:53:03 -0500, Dave Garrett wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> In article <rgmj4m$tq3$1@dont-email.me>, dan1espen@gmail.com says...
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> No, definitely not over.
>>>> >>> Any doubt in your mind? Head over to alt.home.repair.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I gave up on alt.home.repair. Despite employing an aggressive
>>>> >> killfile, the signal-to-noise ratio remained abysmal, primarily due to
>>>> >> the gang of incurably loquacious knob-jockeys who would not budge from
>>>> >> their apparent conviction that the name of the newsgroup was really
>>>> >> alt.politics.home.repair.
>>>> >
>>>> > WE have the same problem with uk.d-i-y ...
>>>>
>>>> From what I've seen, the uk groups are even worse.
>>>> A huge amount of name calling and stalking.
>>>> Must be that British humor at work, or all the posters are drunk.
>>>
>>> No, the Brexiteers are foaming at the mouth...
>>
>> A damn shame, the EU looks like a very good thing to me.
>> Hopefully a way of ending centuries of European conflict
>> and putting the EU on an even basis with the US.
>> Now if we could get a South American and an African union
>> going.
>>
>> I suppose Usenet, but more important the Internet can eventually end
>> the curse of the Tower of Babel.
>
> My impression is that the problem with the EU is not with the concept
> but with the execution.
>
It seems to me they can’t decide if they’re fish or fowl.
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| Re: Is the Eternal September over [message #397607 is a reply to message #397597] |
Sun, 09 August 2020 13:18 |
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Originally posted by: J. Clarke
On 9 Aug 2020 15:15:22 GMT, Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> wrote:
> On Sun, 09 Aug 2020 11:09:29 -0400, J. Clarke wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 09 Aug 2020 10:40:26 -0400, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> writes:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 09 Aug 2020 08:25:34 -0400, Dan Espen wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> writes:
>>>> >
>>>> >> On Sat, 08 Aug 2020 18:53:03 -0500, Dave Garrett wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> In article <rgmj4m$tq3$1@dont-email.me>, dan1espen@gmail.com
>>>> >>> says...
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> No, definitely not over.
>>>> >>>> Any doubt in your mind? Head over to alt.home.repair.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I gave up on alt.home.repair. Despite employing an aggressive
>>>> >>> killfile, the signal-to-noise ratio remained abysmal, primarily due
>>>> >>> to the gang of incurably loquacious knob-jockeys who would not
>>>> >>> budge from their apparent conviction that the name of the newsgroup
>>>> >>> was really alt.politics.home.repair.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> WE have the same problem with uk.d-i-y ...
>>>> >
>>>> > From what I've seen, the uk groups are even worse.
>>>> > A huge amount of name calling and stalking.
>>>> > Must be that British humor at work, or all the posters are drunk.
>>>>
>>>> No, the Brexiteers are foaming at the mouth...
>>>
>>> A damn shame, the EU looks like a very good thing to me.
>>> Hopefully a way of ending centuries of European conflict and putting the
>>> EU on an even basis with the US.
>>> Now if we could get a South American and an African union going.
>>>
>>> I suppose Usenet, but more important the Internet can eventually end the
>>> curse of the Tower of Babel.
>>
>> My impression is that the problem with the EU is not with the concept
>> but with the execution.
>
> It isn't perfect, but membership is a lot better than non-membership.
> Being able to work i 28 countries and pass between them with no
> restriction.
In North America and parts of the Pacific you can work in 50 countries
and pass between them with no restriction.
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| Re: Is the Eternal September over [message #397608 is a reply to message #397554] |
Sun, 09 August 2020 14:06 |
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Originally posted by: Rink
Op 8-8-2020 om 22:14 schreef Andreas Kohlbach:
> On Sat, 08 Aug 2020 12:16:09 -0400, Dan Espen wrote:
>>
>> Jason Evans <jsevans@mailfence.com> writes:
>>
>>> If the Eternal September is over and we care about Usenet as a real and
>>> living form of communication over the Internet, what are the most
>>> important things that we want newbies (and oldies) to know when they
>>> start using Usenet?
>>
>> No, definitely not over.
>> Any doubt in your mind? Head over to alt.home.repair.
>
> Besides that it's mostly spam flooding Newsgroups today. Nothing to do
> with AOL users. AFAIK AOL does no longer offer usenet access. It's over.
>
Usenet is not from AOL.
There are many usenet providers,
yes less than 10 years ago, but still enough.
Rink
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| Re: Is the Eternal September over [message #397609 is a reply to message #397607] |
Sun, 09 August 2020 14:09 |
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Originally posted by: Rink
Op 9-8-2020 om 19:18 schreef J. Clarke:
> On 9 Aug 2020 15:15:22 GMT, Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 09 Aug 2020 11:09:29 -0400, J. Clarke wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 09 Aug 2020 10:40:26 -0400, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> writes:
>>>>
>>>> > On Sun, 09 Aug 2020 08:25:34 -0400, Dan Espen wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> writes:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> On Sat, 08 Aug 2020 18:53:03 -0500, Dave Garrett wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> In article <rgmj4m$tq3$1@dont-email.me>, dan1espen@gmail.com
>>>> >>>> says...
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>> No, definitely not over.
>>>> >>>>> Any doubt in your mind? Head over to alt.home.repair.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> I gave up on alt.home.repair. Despite employing an aggressive
>>>> >>>> killfile, the signal-to-noise ratio remained abysmal, primarily due
>>>> >>>> to the gang of incurably loquacious knob-jockeys who would not
>>>> >>>> budge from their apparent conviction that the name of the newsgroup
>>>> >>>> was really alt.politics.home.repair.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> WE have the same problem with uk.d-i-y ...
>>>> >>
>>>> >> From what I've seen, the uk groups are even worse.
>>>> >> A huge amount of name calling and stalking.
>>>> >> Must be that British humor at work, or all the posters are drunk.
>>>> >
>>>> > No, the Brexiteers are foaming at the mouth...
>>>>
>>>> A damn shame, the EU looks like a very good thing to me.
>>>> Hopefully a way of ending centuries of European conflict and putting the
>>>> EU on an even basis with the US.
>>>> Now if we could get a South American and an African union going.
>>>>
>>>> I suppose Usenet, but more important the Internet can eventually end the
>>>> curse of the Tower of Babel.
>>>
>>> My impression is that the problem with the EU is not with the concept
>>> but with the execution.
>>
>> It isn't perfect, but membership is a lot better than non-membership.
>> Being able to work i 28 countries and pass between them with no
>> restriction.
>
> In North America and parts of the Pacific you can work in 50 countries
> and pass between them with no restriction.
>
Those are called States and the form together one country.....
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| Re: Is the Eternal September over [message #397612 is a reply to message #397609] |
Sun, 09 August 2020 14:34 |
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Originally posted by: J. Clarke
On Sun, 9 Aug 2020 20:09:41 +0200, Rink
<rink.hof.haalditmaarweg@planet.nl> wrote:
> Op 9-8-2020 om 19:18 schreef J. Clarke:
>> On 9 Aug 2020 15:15:22 GMT, Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 09 Aug 2020 11:09:29 -0400, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 09 Aug 2020 10:40:26 -0400, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> writes:
>>>> >
>>>> >> On Sun, 09 Aug 2020 08:25:34 -0400, Dan Espen wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> writes:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> On Sat, 08 Aug 2020 18:53:03 -0500, Dave Garrett wrote:
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>> In article <rgmj4m$tq3$1@dont-email.me>, dan1espen@gmail.com
>>>> >>>>> says...
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> No, definitely not over.
>>>> >>>>>> Any doubt in your mind? Head over to alt.home.repair.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> I gave up on alt.home.repair. Despite employing an aggressive
>>>> >>>>> killfile, the signal-to-noise ratio remained abysmal, primarily due
>>>> >>>>> to the gang of incurably loquacious knob-jockeys who would not
>>>> >>>>> budge from their apparent conviction that the name of the newsgroup
>>>> >>>>> was really alt.politics.home.repair.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> WE have the same problem with uk.d-i-y ...
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> From what I've seen, the uk groups are even worse.
>>>> >>> A huge amount of name calling and stalking.
>>>> >>> Must be that British humor at work, or all the posters are drunk.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> No, the Brexiteers are foaming at the mouth...
>>>> >
>>>> > A damn shame, the EU looks like a very good thing to me.
>>>> > Hopefully a way of ending centuries of European conflict and putting the
>>>> > EU on an even basis with the US.
>>>> > Now if we could get a South American and an African union going.
>>>> >
>>>> > I suppose Usenet, but more important the Internet can eventually end the
>>>> > curse of the Tower of Babel.
>>>>
>>>> My impression is that the problem with the EU is not with the concept
>>>> but with the execution.
>>>
>>> It isn't perfect, but membership is a lot better than non-membership.
>>> Being able to work i 28 countries and pass between them with no
>>> restriction.
>>
>> In North America and parts of the Pacific you can work in 50 countries
>> and pass between them with no restriction.
>>
>
>
> Those are called States and the form together one country.....
Doesn't matter what you call it, each has its own laws, its own
courts, and these days its own king.
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| Re: Is the Eternal September over [message #397613 is a reply to message #397595] |
Sun, 09 August 2020 14:48 |
Dan Espen
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Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> writes:
> On 2020-08-09, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> writes:
>>>
>>> No, the Brexiteers are foaming at the mouth...
>>
>> A damn shame, the EU looks like a very good thing to me.
>> Hopefully a way of ending centuries of European conflict
>> and putting the EU on an even basis with the US.
>> Now if we could get a South American and an African union
>> going.
>
> The African Union exists, we just don't hear much about it generally.
Somehow, it got by me.
The African Union is a continental union consisting of 55 member
states located on the continent of Africa. The AU was announced in the
Sirte Declaration in Sirte, Libya, on 9 September 1999, calling for
the establishment of the African Union.
Maybe this was why:
Founder: Muammar al-Gaddafi
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| Re: Is the Eternal September over [message #397614 is a reply to message #397596] |
Sun, 09 August 2020 14:50 |
Dan Espen
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J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:
> On Sun, 09 Aug 2020 10:40:26 -0400, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> writes:
>>
>>> On Sun, 09 Aug 2020 08:25:34 -0400, Dan Espen wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> writes:
>>>>
>>>> > On Sat, 08 Aug 2020 18:53:03 -0500, Dave Garrett wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> In article <rgmj4m$tq3$1@dont-email.me>, dan1espen@gmail.com says...
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> No, definitely not over.
>>>> >>> Any doubt in your mind? Head over to alt.home.repair.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I gave up on alt.home.repair. Despite employing an aggressive
>>>> >> killfile, the signal-to-noise ratio remained abysmal, primarily due to
>>>> >> the gang of incurably loquacious knob-jockeys who would not budge from
>>>> >> their apparent conviction that the name of the newsgroup was really
>>>> >> alt.politics.home.repair.
>>>> >
>>>> > WE have the same problem with uk.d-i-y ...
>>>>
>>>> From what I've seen, the uk groups are even worse.
>>>> A huge amount of name calling and stalking.
>>>> Must be that British humor at work, or all the posters are drunk.
>>>
>>> No, the Brexiteers are foaming at the mouth...
>>
>> A damn shame, the EU looks like a very good thing to me.
>> Hopefully a way of ending centuries of European conflict
>> and putting the EU on an even basis with the US.
>> Now if we could get a South American and an African union
>> going.
>>
>> I suppose Usenet, but more important the Internet can eventually end
>> the curse of the Tower of Babel.
>
> My impression is that the problem with the EU is not with the concept
> but with the execution.
As far as I can tell, the major issue is Brexit.
I suppose they can get by without England, but
it's a major setback.
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| Re: Is the Eternal September over [message #397615 is a reply to message #397601] |
Sun, 09 August 2020 14:54 |
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snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) writes:
> Kerr-Mudd,John <notsaying@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 09 Aug 2020 15:15:22 GMT, Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 09 Aug 2020 11:09:29 -0400, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 09 Aug 2020 10:40:26 -0400, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> writes:
>>>> >
>>>> >> On Sun, 09 Aug 2020 08:25:34 -0400, Dan Espen wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> writes:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> On Sat, 08 Aug 2020 18:53:03 -0500, Dave Garrett wrote:
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>> In article <rgmj4m$tq3$1@dont-email.me>, dan1espen@gmail.com
>>>> >>>>> says...
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> No, definitely not over.
>>>> >>>>>> Any doubt in your mind? Head over to alt.home.repair.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> I gave up on alt.home.repair. Despite employing an aggressive
>>>> >>>>> killfile, the signal-to-noise ratio remained abysmal, primarily
>> due
>>>> >>>>> to the gang of incurably loquacious knob-jockeys who would not
>>>> >>>>> budge from their apparent conviction that the name of the
>> newsgroup
>>>> >>>>> was really alt.politics.home.repair.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> WE have the same problem with uk.d-i-y ...
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> From what I've seen, the uk groups are even worse.
>>>> >>> A huge amount of name calling and stalking.
>>>> >>> Must be that British humor at work, or all the posters are drunk.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> No, the Brexiteers are foaming at the mouth...
>>>> >
>>>> >A damn shame, the EU looks like a very good thing to me.
>>>> >Hopefully a way of ending centuries of European conflict and putting
>> the
>>>> >EU on an even basis with the US.
>>>> >Now if we could get a South American and an African union going.
>>>> >
>> That's a very naive view, ignoring corporate vested interests.
>>
>>>> >I suppose Usenet, but more important the Internet can eventually end
>> the
>>>> >curse of the Tower of Babel.
>>>>
>>>> My impression is that the problem with the EU is not with the concept
>>>> but with the execution.
>>>
>>> It isn't perfect, but membership is a lot better than non-membership.
>>> Being able to work i 28 countries and pass between them with no
>>> restriction.
>>>
>> Stop trying to get a rise out of Sn!pe. You're all bad boys.
>>
>> PS add radio-amateur to the list for longest bickering match ever.
>
> It's faintly amusing that some here were complaining about
> politics taking over Usenet. Maybe it's just British humour.
Oh, you're here. You're the idiot participating in a long running
argument on eternal-september.support. Here Ray is running a Usenet
server out of the goodness of his heart and you think he wants to
see that crap.
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| Re: Is the Eternal September over [message #397616 is a reply to message #397615] |
Sun, 09 August 2020 14:58 |
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Originally posted by: snipeco.2
Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote:
> snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) writes:
>
>> Kerr-Mudd,John <notsaying@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 09 Aug 2020 15:15:22 GMT, Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 09 Aug 2020 11:09:29 -0400, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > On Sun, 09 Aug 2020 10:40:26 -0400, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >>Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> writes:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> On Sun, 09 Aug 2020 08:25:34 -0400, Dan Espen wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> writes:
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>> On Sat, 08 Aug 2020 18:53:03 -0500, Dave Garrett wrote:
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> In article <rgmj4m$tq3$1@dont-email.me>, dan1espen@gmail.com
>>>> >>>>>> says...
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> No, definitely not over.
>>>> >>>>>>> Any doubt in your mind? Head over to alt.home.repair.
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> I gave up on alt.home.repair. Despite employing an aggressive
>>>> >>>>>> killfile, the signal-to-noise ratio remained abysmal, primarily
>>> due
>>>> >>>>>> to the gang of incurably loquacious knob-jockeys who would not
>>>> >>>>>> budge from their apparent conviction that the name of the
>>> newsgroup
>>>> >>>>>> was really alt.politics.home.repair.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> WE have the same problem with uk.d-i-y ...
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> From what I've seen, the uk groups are even worse.
>>>> >>>> A huge amount of name calling and stalking.
>>>> >>>> Must be that British humor at work, or all the posters are drunk.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> No, the Brexiteers are foaming at the mouth...
>>>> >>
>>>> >>A damn shame, the EU looks like a very good thing to me.
>>>> >>Hopefully a way of ending centuries of European conflict and putting
>>> the
>>>> >>EU on an even basis with the US.
>>>> >>Now if we could get a South American and an African union going.
>>>> >>
>>> That's a very naive view, ignoring corporate vested interests.
>>>
>>>> >>I suppose Usenet, but more important the Internet can eventually end
>>> the
>>>> >>curse of the Tower of Babel.
>>>> >
>>>> > My impression is that the problem with the EU is not with the concept
>>>> > but with the execution.
>>>>
>>>> It isn't perfect, but membership is a lot better than non-membership.
>>>> Being able to work i 28 countries and pass between them with no
>>>> restriction.
>>>>
>>> Stop trying to get a rise out of Sn!pe. You're all bad boys.
>>>
>>> PS add radio-amateur to the list for longest bickering match ever.
>>
>> It's faintly amusing that some here were complaining about
>> politics taking over Usenet. Maybe it's just British humour.
>
> Oh, you're here. You're the idiot participating in a long running
> argument on eternal-september.support. Here Ray is running a
> Usenet server out of the goodness of his heart and you think he
> wants to see that crap.
Yes. I'm the one setting f'ups to the bit bucket.
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^Ï^ <https://youtu.be/_kqytf31a8E>
My pet rock Gordon just is.
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| Re: Is the Eternal September over [message #397619 is a reply to message #397614] |
Sun, 09 August 2020 15:52 |
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Originally posted by: Bob Eager
On Sun, 09 Aug 2020 14:50:35 -0400, Dan Espen wrote:
> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> On Sun, 09 Aug 2020 10:40:26 -0400, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> writes:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 09 Aug 2020 08:25:34 -0400, Dan Espen wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> writes:
>>>> >
>>>> >> On Sat, 08 Aug 2020 18:53:03 -0500, Dave Garrett wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> In article <rgmj4m$tq3$1@dont-email.me>, dan1espen@gmail.com
>>>> >>> says...
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> No, definitely not over.
>>>> >>>> Any doubt in your mind? Head over to alt.home.repair.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I gave up on alt.home.repair. Despite employing an aggressive
>>>> >>> killfile, the signal-to-noise ratio remained abysmal, primarily
>>>> >>> due to the gang of incurably loquacious knob-jockeys who would not
>>>> >>> budge from their apparent conviction that the name of the
>>>> >>> newsgroup was really alt.politics.home.repair.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> WE have the same problem with uk.d-i-y ...
>>>> >
>>>> > From what I've seen, the uk groups are even worse.
>>>> > A huge amount of name calling and stalking.
>>>> > Must be that British humor at work, or all the posters are drunk.
>>>>
>>>> No, the Brexiteers are foaming at the mouth...
>>>
>>> A damn shame, the EU looks like a very good thing to me.
>>> Hopefully a way of ending centuries of European conflict and putting
>>> the EU on an even basis with the US.
>>> Now if we could get a South American and an African union going.
>>>
>>> I suppose Usenet, but more important the Internet can eventually end
>>> the curse of the Tower of Babel.
>>
>> My impression is that the problem with the EU is not with the concept
>> but with the execution.
>
> As far as I can tell, the major issue is Brexit.
> I suppose they can get by without England, but it's a major setback.
I think you mean "the UK". They might get Scotland back at some point,
though.
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/whats-difference-b etween-
england-britain-and-uk-180959558/
NOt half as much as it is a setback for the UK, though.
--
Using UNIX since v6 (1975)...
Use the BIG mirror service in the UK:
http://www.mirrorservice.org
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| Re: Is the Eternal September over [message #397623 is a reply to message #397619] |
Sun, 09 August 2020 17:06 |
Dan Espen
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Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> writes:
> On Sun, 09 Aug 2020 14:50:35 -0400, Dan Espen wrote:
>
>> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> On Sun, 09 Aug 2020 10:40:26 -0400, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> writes:
>>>>
>>>> > On Sun, 09 Aug 2020 08:25:34 -0400, Dan Espen wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> writes:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> On Sat, 08 Aug 2020 18:53:03 -0500, Dave Garrett wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> In article <rgmj4m$tq3$1@dont-email.me>, dan1espen@gmail.com
>>>> >>>> says...
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>> No, definitely not over.
>>>> >>>>> Any doubt in your mind? Head over to alt.home.repair.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> I gave up on alt.home.repair. Despite employing an aggressive
>>>> >>>> killfile, the signal-to-noise ratio remained abysmal, primarily
>>>> >>>> due to the gang of incurably loquacious knob-jockeys who would not
>>>> >>>> budge from their apparent conviction that the name of the
>>>> >>>> newsgroup was really alt.politics.home.repair.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> WE have the same problem with uk.d-i-y ...
>>>> >>
>>>> >> From what I've seen, the uk groups are even worse.
>>>> >> A huge amount of name calling and stalking.
>>>> >> Must be that British humor at work, or all the posters are drunk.
>>>> >
>>>> > No, the Brexiteers are foaming at the mouth...
>>>>
>>>> A damn shame, the EU looks like a very good thing to me.
>>>> Hopefully a way of ending centuries of European conflict and putting
>>>> the EU on an even basis with the US.
>>>> Now if we could get a South American and an African union going.
>>>>
>>>> I suppose Usenet, but more important the Internet can eventually end
>>>> the curse of the Tower of Babel.
>>>
>>> My impression is that the problem with the EU is not with the concept
>>> but with the execution.
>>
>> As far as I can tell, the major issue is Brexit.
>> I suppose they can get by without England, but it's a major setback.
>
> I think you mean "the UK". They might get Scotland back at some point,
> though.
Yeah, we really can't figure it out over here.
> https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/whats-difference-b etween-
> england-britain-and-uk-180959558/
>
> NOt half as much as it is a setback for the UK, though.
Actually, I know, just a momentary lapse. My age is a wonderful
excuse. Pretty soon my posts will really degenerate.
The other day in my Internet travels I happened on
a Scot, Janey Godley. Pretty funny but hard to understand.
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Dan Espen
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| Re: Is the Eternal September over [message #397624 is a reply to message #397623] |
Sun, 09 August 2020 17:56 |
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Originally posted by: Bob Eager
On Sun, 09 Aug 2020 17:06:10 -0400, Dan Espen wrote:
> The other day in my Internet travels I happened on a Scot, Janey Godley.
> Pretty funny but hard to understand.
Going off-thread a bit...
For want of anything better to do, I;ve been watching old episodes of fly-
on-the-wall programmes about Customs posts around the world. Mainly New
Zealand and Australia, also occasionally England.
Today I switched on and for the first time could not understand some of
the people. Republic of Ireland!
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| Re: Is the Eternal September over [message #397627 is a reply to message #397609] |
Sun, 09 August 2020 18:30 |
Peter Flass
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Rink <rink.hof.haalditmaarweg@planet.nl> wrote:
> Op 9-8-2020 om 19:18 schreef J. Clarke:
>> On 9 Aug 2020 15:15:22 GMT, Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 09 Aug 2020 11:09:29 -0400, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 09 Aug 2020 10:40:26 -0400, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> writes:
>>>> >
>>>> >> On Sun, 09 Aug 2020 08:25:34 -0400, Dan Espen wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> writes:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> On Sat, 08 Aug 2020 18:53:03 -0500, Dave Garrett wrote:
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>> In article <rgmj4m$tq3$1@dont-email.me>, dan1espen@gmail.com
>>>> >>>>> says...
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> No, definitely not over.
>>>> >>>>>> Any doubt in your mind? Head over to alt.home.repair.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> I gave up on alt.home.repair. Despite employing an aggressive
>>>> >>>>> killfile, the signal-to-noise ratio remained abysmal, primarily due
>>>> >>>>> to the gang of incurably loquacious knob-jockeys who would not
>>>> >>>>> budge from their apparent conviction that the name of the newsgroup
>>>> >>>>> was really alt.politics.home.repair.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> WE have the same problem with uk.d-i-y ...
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> From what I've seen, the uk groups are even worse.
>>>> >>> A huge amount of name calling and stalking.
>>>> >>> Must be that British humor at work, or all the posters are drunk.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> No, the Brexiteers are foaming at the mouth...
>>>> >
>>>> > A damn shame, the EU looks like a very good thing to me.
>>>> > Hopefully a way of ending centuries of European conflict and putting the
>>>> > EU on an even basis with the US.
>>>> > Now if we could get a South American and an African union going.
>>>> >
>>>> > I suppose Usenet, but more important the Internet can eventually end the
>>>> > curse of the Tower of Babel.
>>>>
>>>> My impression is that the problem with the EU is not with the concept
>>>> but with the execution.
>>>
>>> It isn't perfect, but membership is a lot better than non-membership.
>>> Being able to work i 28 countries and pass between them with no
>>> restriction.
>>
>> In North America and parts of the Pacific you can work in 50 countries
>> and pass between them with no restriction.
>>
>
>
> Those are called States and the form together one country.....
>
>
The EU seems to have one foot firmly in each camp. It’s less than a
country, but more than a confederation .
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Pete
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| Re: Is the Eternal September over [message #397628 is a reply to message #397624] |
Sun, 09 August 2020 18:30 |
Peter Flass
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Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> wrote:
> On Sun, 09 Aug 2020 17:06:10 -0400, Dan Espen wrote:
>
>> The other day in my Internet travels I happened on a Scot, Janey Godley.
>> Pretty funny but hard to understand.
>
> Going off-thread a bit...
>
> For want of anything better to do, I;ve been watching old episodes of fly-
> on-the-wall programmes about Customs posts around the world. Mainly New
> Zealand and Australia, also occasionally England.
>
> Today I switched on and for the first time could not understand some of
> the people. Republic of Ireland!
>
I always get a chuckle about shows that have subtitles for “English”
speakers. Some of them are pretty hard to understand.
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Pete
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| Re: Is the Eternal September over [message #397636 is a reply to message #397591] |
Sun, 09 August 2020 21:15 |
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Originally posted by: Melzzzzz
On 2020-08-09, Sn!pe <snipeco.2@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> IMO Usenet is by far superior to FB, Twitter and Reddit too.
> There are very few web forums that can better it.
Of course!
>
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skills: c++,c,rust,go,nim,haskell...
press any key to continue or any other to quit...
U ničemu ja ne uživam kao u svom statusu INVALIDA -- Zli Zec
Svi smo svedoci - oko 3 godine intenzivne propagande je dovoljno da jedan narod poludi -- Zli Zec
Na divljem zapadu i nije bilo tako puno nasilja, upravo zato jer su svi
bili naoruzani. -- Mladen Gogala
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| Re: Is the Eternal September over [message #397637 is a reply to message #397596] |
Sun, 09 August 2020 21:16 |
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Originally posted by: Melzzzzz
On 2020-08-09, J Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 09 Aug 2020 10:40:26 -0400, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> writes:
>>
>>> On Sun, 09 Aug 2020 08:25:34 -0400, Dan Espen wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> writes:
>>>>
>>>> > On Sat, 08 Aug 2020 18:53:03 -0500, Dave Garrett wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> In article <rgmj4m$tq3$1@dont-email.me>, dan1espen@gmail.com says...
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> No, definitely not over.
>>>> >>> Any doubt in your mind? Head over to alt.home.repair.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I gave up on alt.home.repair. Despite employing an aggressive
>>>> >> killfile, the signal-to-noise ratio remained abysmal, primarily due to
>>>> >> the gang of incurably loquacious knob-jockeys who would not budge from
>>>> >> their apparent conviction that the name of the newsgroup was really
>>>> >> alt.politics.home.repair.
>>>> >
>>>> > WE have the same problem with uk.d-i-y ...
>>>>
>>>> From what I've seen, the uk groups are even worse.
>>>> A huge amount of name calling and stalking.
>>>> Must be that British humor at work, or all the posters are drunk.
>>>
>>> No, the Brexiteers are foaming at the mouth...
>>
>> A damn shame, the EU looks like a very good thing to me.
>> Hopefully a way of ending centuries of European conflict
>> and putting the EU on an even basis with the US.
>> Now if we could get a South American and an African union
>> going.
>>
>> I suppose Usenet, but more important the Internet can eventually end
>> the curse of the Tower of Babel.
>
> My impression is that the problem with the EU is not with the concept
> but with the execution.
Problem is that they became political union instead of economic union..
sure way or disaster...
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current job title: senior software engineer
skills: c++,c,rust,go,nim,haskell...
press any key to continue or any other to quit...
U ničemu ja ne uživam kao u svom statusu INVALIDA -- Zli Zec
Svi smo svedoci - oko 3 godine intenzivne propagande je dovoljno da jedan narod poludi -- Zli Zec
Na divljem zapadu i nije bilo tako puno nasilja, upravo zato jer su svi
bili naoruzani. -- Mladen Gogala
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| Re: Is the Eternal September over [message #397654 is a reply to message #397612] |
Mon, 10 August 2020 10:01 |
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Originally posted by: Rink
Op 9-8-2020 om 20:34 schreef J. Clarke:
> On Sun, 9 Aug 2020 20:09:41 +0200, Rink wrote:
>> Op 9-8-2020 om 19:18 schreef J. Clarke:
>>> On 9 Aug 2020 15:15:22 GMT, Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 09 Aug 2020 11:09:29 -0400, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>> > On Sun, 09 Aug 2020 10:40, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote:
<snip>
>>>> >> A damn shame, the EU looks like a very good thing to me.
>>>> >> Hopefully a way of ending centuries of European conflict and putting the
>>>> >> EU on an even basis with the US.
>>>> >> Now if we could get a South American and an African union going.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I suppose Usenet, but more important the Internet can eventually end the
>>>> >> curse of the Tower of Babel.
>>>> >
>>>> > My impression is that the problem with the EU is not with the concept
>>>> > but with the execution.
>>>>
>>>> It isn't perfect, but membership is a lot better than non-membership.
>>>> Being able to work i 28 countries and pass between them with no
>>>> restriction.
>>>
>>> In North America and parts of the Pacific you can work in 50 countries
>>> and pass between them with no restriction.
>>
>> Those are called States and the form together one country.....
>
> Doesn't matter what you call it, each has its own laws, its own
> courts, and these days its own king.
I was reacting at you phrase:
>>> In North America and parts of the Pacific you can work
>>> in 50 countries and pass between them with no restriction.
It doesn't matter what I call it, or what you call it.
It has a name: United STATES of America.
And as far I know there are no kings in the USA.
And in Europe every member of the EU is a country.
Rink
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| Re: Is the Eternal September over [message #397656 is a reply to message #397554] |
Mon, 10 August 2020 11:30 |
scott
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Jason Evans <jsevans@mailfence.com> writes:
> From wikipedia:
>
>>
> Eternal September or the September that never ended is Usenet slang for a
> period beginning in September 1993, the month that Internet service
> provider America Online (AOL) began offering Usenet access to its many
> users, overwhelming the existing culture for online forums.
>
> Before then, Usenet was largely restricted to colleges, universities, and
> other research institutions.
And most major (if upstart) computer companies like sun, oracle,
convergent technologies, sequioa, thinking machines, et alia.
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| Re: Is the Eternal September over [message #397657 is a reply to message #397586] |
Mon, 10 August 2020 11:33 |
scott
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Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> writes:
> On Sat, 08 Aug 2020 18:53:03 -0500, Dave Garrett wrote:
>
>> In article <rgmj4m$tq3$1@dont-email.me>, dan1espen@gmail.com says...
>>
>>> No, definitely not over.
>>> Any doubt in your mind? Head over to alt.home.repair.
>>
>> I gave up on alt.home.repair. Despite employing an aggressive killfile,
>> the signal-to-noise ratio remained abysmal, primarily due to the gang of
>> incurably loquacious knob-jockeys who would not budge from their
>> apparent conviction that the name of the newsgroup was really
>> alt.politics.home.repair.
>
> WE have the same problem with uk.d-i-y ...
Which is where the most eggregious of the idiotic alt.home.repair posts
are crossposted from....
Like the guy(?) whose sole reason for existence is to post replies to
every one of Rod Speeds posts.
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