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Injudicious Use of Stock Photo [message #387862] Fri, 18 October 2019 11:33 Go to next message
Quadibloc is currently offline  Quadibloc
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To illustrate a newspaper article discussion of how fast typists can take dictation over the telephone...

the Daily Mail used a stock photo of a woman's hands typing on a computer keyboard.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-7525627/The- fastest-phone-typers-tap-85-words-minute-touchscreens-match- keyboard-users.html

You'll have to scroll down a bit.

What was wrong with that picture?

John Savard
Re: Injudicious Use of Stock Photo [message #387863 is a reply to message #387862] Fri, 18 October 2019 14:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 2019-10-18, Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:

> To illustrate a newspaper article discussion of how fast typists
> can take dictation over the telephone...
>
> the Daily Mail used a stock photo of a woman's hands typing on a
> computer keyboard.
>
> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-7525627/The- fastest-phone-typers-tap-85-words-minute-touchscreens-match- keyboard-users.html
>
> You'll have to scroll down a bit.
>
> What was wrong with that picture?

You mean the Commodore 64? It's probably not as bad a keyboard
as some of the garbage I've seen since.

As for the use of auto-completion (and -correct) to improve throughput,
I wonder how much this is influencing people's vocabulary. It might
discourage the use of words which aren't in the dictionary used by
the auto-completion algorithm (said dictionary might be deliberately
abridged in the name of space and speed).

But, dictionary or not, people will still talk like B1FF because it's ]<00L.

I'll give up my keyboard when they pry it from my cold dead fingers.

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Re: Injudicious Use of Stock Photo [message #387864 is a reply to message #387863] Fri, 18 October 2019 14:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
> On 2019-10-18, Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>
>> To illustrate a newspaper article discussion of how fast typists
>> can take dictation over the telephone...
>>
>> the Daily Mail used a stock photo of a woman's hands typing on a
>> computer keyboard.
>>
>> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-7525627/The- fastest-phone-typers-tap-85-words-minute-touchscreens-match- keyboard-users.html
>>
>> You'll have to scroll down a bit.
>>
>> What was wrong with that picture?
>
> You mean the Commodore 64? It's probably not as bad a keyboard
> as some of the garbage I've seen since.
>
> As for the use of auto-completion (and -correct) to improve throughput,
> I wonder how much this is influencing people's vocabulary. It might
> discourage the use of words which aren't in the dictionary used by
> the auto-completion algorithm (said dictionary might be deliberately
> abridged in the name of space and speed).
>
> But, dictionary or not, people will still talk like B1FF because it's ]<00L.
>
> I'll give up my keyboard when they pry it from my cold dead fingers.
>

I typically use my iPad touchscreen keyboard, and usually get several
errors per line - that I notice and correct. Lots of errors still get
thru. I have autocorrect turned off; it’s on on my phone and I get more
errors there because of it.

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Re: Injudicious Use of Stock Photo [message #387870 is a reply to message #387863] Fri, 18 October 2019 18:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Friday, October 18, 2019 at 12:04:41 PM UTC-6, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2019-10-18, Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:

>> What was wrong with that picture?

> You mean the Commodore 64? It's probably not as bad a keyboard
> as some of the garbage I've seen since.

Yes, I meant the Commodore 64. But I was not thinking of the merits of its
keyboard in terms of tactile feedback or such attributes, but instead that the
computer behind that keyboard was unlikely to be used these days for any serious
purpose.

John Savard
Re: Injudicious Use of Stock Photo [message #387873 is a reply to message #387870] Fri, 18 October 2019 19:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 2019-10-18, Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:

> On Friday, October 18, 2019 at 12:04:41 PM UTC-6, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>
>> On 2019-10-18, Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>
>>> What was wrong with that picture?
>>
>> You mean the Commodore 64? It's probably not as bad a keyboard
>> as some of the garbage I've seen since.
>
> Yes, I meant the Commodore 64. But I was not thinking of the merits of its
> keyboard in terms of tactile feedback or such attributes, but instead that
> the computer behind that keyboard was unlikely to be used these days for
> any serious purpose.

You never know. That C64 might be running a terminal emulator
talking to a Unix supercomputer. :-)

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Re: Injudicious Use of Stock Photo [message #387877 is a reply to message #387873] Sat, 19 October 2019 02:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes:

> You never know. That C64 might be running a terminal emulator
> talking to a Unix supercomputer. :-)

I was using an Osborne 1 with a terminal emulator to log into 2 Unix
accounts and a VMS account until the mid 90s. A friend from MIT
expressed amzement at seeing Emacs running on the already long
obsolete green-text monitor.

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Re: Injudicious Use of Stock Photo [message #387879 is a reply to message #387870] Sat, 19 October 2019 05:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Fri, 18 Oct 2019 15:12:19 -0700 (PDT)
Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:

> On Friday, October 18, 2019 at 12:04:41 PM UTC-6, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>> On 2019-10-18, Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>
>>> What was wrong with that picture?
>
>> You mean the Commodore 64? It's probably not as bad a keyboard
>> as some of the garbage I've seen since.
>
> Yes, I meant the Commodore 64. But I was not thinking of the merits of

Here was me thinking the hands were in a terrible position for
typing and those nails would probably not survive a day of typing.

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Re: Injudicious Use of Stock Photo [message #387881 is a reply to message #387879] Sat, 19 October 2019 13:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Saturday, October 19, 2019 at 3:30:04 AM UTC-6, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:

> Here was me thinking the hands were in a terrible position for
> typing and those nails would probably not survive a day of typing.

Given that they used a Commodore 64 as the keyboard, that the photo was merely
staged, and that clumsily, is hardly surprising. So I stopped looking before I saw
what you did.

John Savard
Re: Injudicious Use of Stock Photo [message #387882 is a reply to message #387881] Sat, 19 October 2019 13:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Saturday, October 19, 2019 at 11:11:42 AM UTC-6, Quadibloc wrote:
> On Saturday, October 19, 2019 at 3:30:04 AM UTC-6, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>
>> Here was me thinking the hands were in a terrible position for
>> typing and those nails would probably not survive a day of typing.

> Given that they used a Commodore 64 as the keyboard, that the photo was merely
> staged, and that clumsily, is hardly surprising. So I stopped looking before I saw
> what you did.

Looking at the photo again... oh, yes, that obviously is not someone engaged in
typing. Perhaps playing music, with the keys acting like those of a piano? Or
the hands are posed to suggest the idea of typing, except that they're typing as
many letters at once as there are fingers?

But without the Commodore 64, that is still just a bad stock photo instead of a
ludicrous one.

John Savard
Re: Injudicious Use of Stock Photo [message #387883 is a reply to message #387882] Sat, 19 October 2019 14:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Bob Eager

On Sat, 19 Oct 2019 10:16:56 -0700, Quadibloc wrote:

> On Saturday, October 19, 2019 at 11:11:42 AM UTC-6, Quadibloc wrote:
>> On Saturday, October 19, 2019 at 3:30:04 AM UTC-6, Ahem A Rivet's Shot
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Here was me thinking the hands were in a terrible position for
>>> typing and those nails would probably not survive a day of typing.
>
>> Given that they used a Commodore 64 as the keyboard, that the photo was
>> merely staged, and that clumsily, is hardly surprising. So I stopped
>> looking before I saw what you did.
>
> Looking at the photo again... oh, yes, that obviously is not someone
> engaged in typing. Perhaps playing music, with the keys acting like
> those of a piano? Or the hands are posed to suggest the idea of typing,
> except that they're typing as many letters at once as there are fingers?
>
> But without the Commodore 64, that is still just a bad stock photo
> instead of a ludicrous one.

Not as bad as the famous soldering iron.

https://petapixel.com/2016/03/16/need-know-subject-stock-pho tographer/

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Re: Injudicious Use of Stock Photo [message #387884 is a reply to message #387883] Sat, 19 October 2019 14:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 2019-10-19, Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> wrote:

> On Sat, 19 Oct 2019 10:16:56 -0700, Quadibloc wrote:
>
>> On Saturday, October 19, 2019 at 11:11:42 AM UTC-6, Quadibloc wrote:
>>
>>> On Saturday, October 19, 2019 at 3:30:04 AM UTC-6, Ahem A Rivet's Shot
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Here was me thinking the hands were in a terrible position for
>>>> typing and those nails would probably not survive a day of typing.
>>
>>> Given that they used a Commodore 64 as the keyboard, that the photo was
>>> merely staged, and that clumsily, is hardly surprising. So I stopped
>>> looking before I saw what you did.
>>
>> Looking at the photo again... oh, yes, that obviously is not someone
>> engaged in typing. Perhaps playing music, with the keys acting like
>> those of a piano? Or the hands are posed to suggest the idea of typing,
>> except that they're typing as many letters at once as there are fingers?
>>
>> But without the Commodore 64, that is still just a bad stock photo
>> instead of a ludicrous one.
>
> Not as bad as the famous soldering iron.
>
> https://petapixel.com/2016/03/16/need-know-subject-stock-pho tographer/

I've loved that photo ever since a friend sent me a copy.

But scroll farther down the page - you'll find a skimpily-clad
woman in the same pose. All I could do was shudder at the
thought of a blob of molten solder falling down her cleavage...

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Re: Injudicious Use of Stock Photo [message #387889 is a reply to message #387862] Sat, 19 October 2019 16:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Sat, 19 Oct 2019 09:45:03 +0000, Huge wrote:

> If the Das Keyboards were a bit cheaper, I'd buy one to see if they
> were any good.)

A bit cheaper than DAS keyboards are Filco ones, I'm very happy with
one that I bought recently.
Re: Injudicious Use of Stock Photo [message #387890 is a reply to message #387884] Sat, 19 October 2019 17:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Bob Eager

On Sat, 19 Oct 2019 18:46:42 +0000, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

> On 2019-10-19, Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 19 Oct 2019 10:16:56 -0700, Quadibloc wrote:
>>
>>> On Saturday, October 19, 2019 at 11:11:42 AM UTC-6, Quadibloc wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Saturday, October 19, 2019 at 3:30:04 AM UTC-6, Ahem A Rivet's
>>>> Shot wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Here was me thinking the hands were in a terrible position for
>>>> > typing and those nails would probably not survive a day of typing.
>>>
>>>> Given that they used a Commodore 64 as the keyboard, that the photo
>>>> was merely staged, and that clumsily, is hardly surprising. So I
>>>> stopped looking before I saw what you did.
>>>
>>> Looking at the photo again... oh, yes, that obviously is not someone
>>> engaged in typing. Perhaps playing music, with the keys acting like
>>> those of a piano? Or the hands are posed to suggest the idea of
>>> typing, except that they're typing as many letters at once as there
>>> are fingers?
>>>
>>> But without the Commodore 64, that is still just a bad stock photo
>>> instead of a ludicrous one.
>>
>> Not as bad as the famous soldering iron.
>>
>> https://petapixel.com/2016/03/16/need-know-subject-stock-pho tographer/
>
> I've loved that photo ever since a friend sent me a copy.
>
> But scroll farther down the page - you'll find a skimpily-clad woman in
> the same pose. All I could do was shudder at the thought of a blob of
> molten solder falling down her cleavage...

If I'm doing a lot of soldering or similar, I wear a thick cotton apron...

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Re: Injudicious Use of Stock Photo [message #387891 is a reply to message #387889] Sat, 19 October 2019 18:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: J. Clarke

On Sat, 19 Oct 2019 20:26:41 -0000 (UTC), Robert Swindells
<rjs@fdy2.co.uk> wrote:

> On Sat, 19 Oct 2019 09:45:03 +0000, Huge wrote:
>
>> If the Das Keyboards were a bit cheaper, I'd buy one to see if they
>> were any good.)
>
> A bit cheaper than DAS keyboards are Filco ones, I'm very happy with
> one that I bought recently.

I used to use Unicomps, right now I'm using a Logitech gamer board and
it feels every bit as good. Bit noisy for the office though,
otherwise I'd take it in.
Re: Injudicious Use of Stock Photo [message #387892 is a reply to message #387891] Sat, 19 October 2019 18:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Saturday, October 19, 2019 at 4:49:18 PM UTC-6, J. Clarke wrote:

> I used to use Unicomps, right now I'm using a Logitech gamer board and
> it feels every bit as good. Bit noisy for the office though,
> otherwise I'd take it in.

Buckling springs make a great typing keyboard. But for gaming, you want a linear
switch instead, which is available by getting one of those mechanical gaming
keyboards with Cherry or ALPS switches. Or at least, so I've heard.

John Savard
Re: Injudicious Use of Stock Photo [message #387895 is a reply to message #387883] Sun, 20 October 2019 01:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 19 Oct 2019 18:26:25 GMT
Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> wrote:

> Not as bad as the famous soldering iron.
>
> https://petapixel.com/2016/03/16/need-know-subject-stock-pho tographer/

Thank you I needed a good laugh, the comments on how bad the
photographs are miss the detail that that soldering iron is completely
unsuited for fine work, it appears to have a 1/4" pencil bit. Oh and wot no
earthing strap.

This could be like those kids 'spot the difference' games - 'spot
all the mistakes'.

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Re: Injudicious Use of Stock Photo [message #387897 is a reply to message #387863] Sun, 20 October 2019 03:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 18 Oct 2019 18:04:11 GMT, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
wrote:

[snip]

> I'll give up my keyboard when they pry it from my cold dead fingers.

Holding that tight a grip on your keyboard must really mess with
your typing speed.

I just snarl.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko
Re: Injudicious Use of Stock Photo [message #387898 is a reply to message #387884] Sun, 20 October 2019 03:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 19 Oct 2019 18:46:42 GMT, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
wrote:

[snip]

> But scroll farther down the page - you'll find a skimpily-clad
> woman in the same pose. All I could do was shudder at the
> thought of a blob of molten solder falling down her cleavage...

Think of the jiggle?

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko
Re: Injudicious Use of Stock Photo [message #387901 is a reply to message #387897] Sun, 20 October 2019 08:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Kerr-Mudd,John

On Sun, 20 Oct 2019 07:10:03 GMT, Gene Wirchenko <gene@shaw.ca> wrote:

> On 18 Oct 2019 18:04:11 GMT, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
> wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>> I'll give up my keyboard when they pry it from my cold dead fingers.
>

On the internet, no-one knows you're a zombie.

> Holding that tight a grip on your keyboard must really mess with
> your typing speed.
>
> I just snarl.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Gene Wirchenko
>



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Re: Injudicious Use of Stock Photo [message #387954 is a reply to message #387895] Tue, 22 October 2019 16:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> schrieb:

[Schnipp]

> This could be like those kids 'spot the difference' games - 'spot
> all the mistakes'.

Regarding "spot the difference", ten/fifteen years ago, Microsoft had ads
with two photographs in almost the same settings:
-- Tired, unhappy developers without Visual Studio
-- Fresh, happy developers with Visual Studio

The differences between those two were easy to spot, but the interesting
thing (at least to me) was that the pictures also slightly differed per
country.

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Re: Injudicious Use of Stock Photo [message #387955 is a reply to message #387879] Tue, 22 October 2019 16:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> schrieb:
> On Fri, 18 Oct 2019 15:12:19 -0700 (PDT)
> Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>
>> On Friday, October 18, 2019 at 12:04:41 PM UTC-6, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>> On 2019-10-18, Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>>
>>>> What was wrong with that picture?
>>
>>> You mean the Commodore 64? It's probably not as bad a keyboard
>>> as some of the garbage I've seen since.
>>
>> Yes, I meant the Commodore 64. But I was not thinking of the merits of
>
> Here was me thinking the hands were in a terrible position for
> typing and those nails would probably not survive a day of typing.

I remember a secretary using a pencil when typing, to avoid breaking her
nails.
She didn't last long.
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Re: Injudicious Use of Stock Photo [message #387969 is a reply to message #387955] Wed, 23 October 2019 06:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: David Wade

On 22/10/2019 21:43, Jan van den Broek wrote:
> Sat, 19 Oct 2019 10:17:56 +0100
> Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> schrieb:
>> On Fri, 18 Oct 2019 15:12:19 -0700 (PDT)
>> Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> On Friday, October 18, 2019 at 12:04:41 PM UTC-6, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>>> On 2019-10-18, Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>> > What was wrong with that picture?
>>>
>>>> You mean the Commodore 64? It's probably not as bad a keyboard
>>>> as some of the garbage I've seen since.
>>>
>>> Yes, I meant the Commodore 64. But I was not thinking of the merits of
>>
>> Here was me thinking the hands were in a terrible position for
>> typing and those nails would probably not survive a day of typing.
>
> I remember a secretary using a pencil when typing, to avoid breaking her
> nails.
> She didn't last long.
>
On the contrary I remember a key2disk operator who had really long nails
and who could still manage around 15 to 20,000 key depressions an hour
with good accuracy. Every thing was double keyed so we knew she was
accurate!

To achieve this she sat low and kept here palms as low as possible. she
was stunning to watch. Of course as is the way of things, she was
promoted to shift leader......

Dave
Re: Injudicious Use of Stock Photo [message #387972 is a reply to message #387954] Wed, 23 October 2019 07:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Tue, 2019-10-22, Jan van den Broek wrote:
....
> Regarding "spot the difference", ten/fifteen years ago, Microsoft had ads
> with two photographs in almost the same settings:
> -- Tired, unhappy developers without Visual Studio
> -- Fresh, happy developers with Visual Studio
>
> The differences between those two were easy to spot, but the interesting
> thing (at least to me) was that the pictures also slightly differed per
> country.

How did they differ? Ethnicity and stuff, or do happy developers look
different in different countries?

/Jorgen

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Re: Injudicious Use of Stock Photo [message #387991 is a reply to message #387969] Wed, 23 October 2019 15:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> wrote:
> On 22/10/2019 21:43, Jan van den Broek wrote:
>> Sat, 19 Oct 2019 10:17:56 +0100
>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> schrieb:
>>> On Fri, 18 Oct 2019 15:12:19 -0700 (PDT)
>>> Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Friday, October 18, 2019 at 12:04:41 PM UTC-6, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>>> > On 2019-10-18, Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >> What was wrong with that picture?
>>>>
>>>> > You mean the Commodore 64? It's probably not as bad a keyboard
>>>> > as some of the garbage I've seen since.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, I meant the Commodore 64. But I was not thinking of the merits of
>>>
>>> Here was me thinking the hands were in a terrible position for
>>> typing and those nails would probably not survive a day of typing.
>>
>> I remember a secretary using a pencil when typing, to avoid breaking her
>> nails.
>> She didn't last long.
>>
> On the contrary I remember a key2disk operator who had really long nails
> and who could still manage around 15 to 20,000 key depressions an hour
> with good accuracy. Every thing was double keyed so we knew she was
> accurate!
>
> To achieve this she sat low and kept here palms as low as possible. she
> was stunning to watch. Of course as is the way of things, she was
> promoted to shift leader......
>

Of course, unlike programmers promoted to management, she may have been
glad to get out. On the other hand I knew people who enjoyed being keypunch
operators - no overtime, usually not much stress, camaraderie, etc. Just
show up and enter a meditative state for a few hours.

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Re: Injudicious Use of Stock Photo [message #387992 is a reply to message #387972] Wed, 23 October 2019 15:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> wrote:
> On Tue, 2019-10-22, Jan van den Broek wrote:
> ...
>> Regarding "spot the difference", ten/fifteen years ago, Microsoft had ads
>> with two photographs in almost the same settings:
>> -- Tired, unhappy developers without Visual Studio
>> -- Fresh, happy developers with Visual Studio
>>
>> The differences between those two were easy to spot, but the interesting
>> thing (at least to me) was that the pictures also slightly differed per
>> country.
>
> How did they differ? Ethnicity and stuff, or do happy developers look
> different in different countries?

Dress differently? Fewer women?

>
> /Jorgen
>



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Re: Injudicious Use of Stock Photo [message #388003 is a reply to message #387991] Wed, 23 October 2019 17:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
hancock4 is currently offline  hancock4
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On Wednesday, October 23, 2019 at 3:15:38 PM UTC-4, Peter Flass wrote:

> Of course, unlike programmers promoted to management, she may have been
> glad to get out. On the other hand I knew people who enjoyed being keypunch
> operators - no overtime, usually not much stress, camaraderie, etc. Just
> show up and enter a meditative state for a few hours.

IBM once made a discounted keypunch with a numeric-only keyboard.
(Some older tab machines were numeric only).

I can't imagine punching numeric-only all day.

Likewise, there was a job category known as a "statistical
typist" who typed numbers in charts. Wouldn't want that.
Re: Injudicious Use of Stock Photo [message #388029 is a reply to message #387991] Thu, 24 October 2019 13:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: googlegroups jmfbahciv

On Wednesday, October 23, 2019 at 3:15:38 PM UTC-4, Peter Flass wrote:
> David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> wrote:
>> On 22/10/2019 21:43, Jan van den Broek wrote:
>>> Sat, 19 Oct 2019 10:17:56 +0100
>>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> schrieb:
>>>> On Fri, 18 Oct 2019 15:12:19 -0700 (PDT)
>>>> Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > On Friday, October 18, 2019 at 12:04:41 PM UTC-6, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>>> >> On 2019-10-18, Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >>> What was wrong with that picture?
>>>> >
>>>> >> You mean the Commodore 64? It's probably not as bad a keyboard
>>>> >> as some of the garbage I've seen since.
>>>> >
>>>> > Yes, I meant the Commodore 64. But I was not thinking of the merits of
>>>>
>>>> Here was me thinking the hands were in a terrible position for
>>>> typing and those nails would probably not survive a day of typing.
>>>
>>> I remember a secretary using a pencil when typing, to avoid breaking her
>>> nails.
>>> She didn't last long.
>>>
>> On the contrary I remember a key2disk operator who had really long nails
>> and who could still manage around 15 to 20,000 key depressions an hour
>> with good accuracy. Every thing was double keyed so we knew she was
>> accurate!
>>
>> To achieve this she sat low and kept here palms as low as possible. she
>> was stunning to watch. Of course as is the way of things, she was
>> promoted to shift leader......
>>
>
> Of course, unlike programmers promoted to management, she may have been
> glad to get out. On the other hand I knew people who enjoyed being keypunch
> operators - no overtime, usually not much stress, camaraderie, etc. Just
> show up and enter a meditative state for a few hours.

In Tape Prep, one could read/learn the code we typed; or we could
read the internal memos we typed. I learned a lot about the
manufacturing business and DEC's business, development, and secrets
by doing that "data entry". I also tested the hell out of the
monitor and CUSP software which was a lot of fun. I saved a lot
of embarrassment and customer angst by uncovering and reporting
all the bugs I found. That was fun.

/BAH
Re: Injudicious Use of Stock Photo [message #388038 is a reply to message #388003] Thu, 24 October 2019 14:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 2019-10-23, hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com <hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote:

> On Wednesday, October 23, 2019 at 3:15:38 PM UTC-4, Peter Flass wrote:
>
>> Of course, unlike programmers promoted to management, she may have been
>> glad to get out. On the other hand I knew people who enjoyed being keypunch
>> operators - no overtime, usually not much stress, camaraderie, etc. Just
>> show up and enter a meditative state for a few hours.
>
> IBM once made a discounted keypunch with a numeric-only keyboard.
> (Some older tab machines were numeric only).

Numeric-only keyboards were indeed a lower-cost option.
I once saw a perfectly dreadful sci-fi movie titled
_The Brain Machine_. It did have nice shots of a
360/50 machine room, though. But next to the 1052
they had a 2260 with colour CCTV images superimposed
on its screen - and the keyboard was numeric-only,
I suppose the producer wanted to give it a strange,
futuristic look.

> I can't imagine punching numeric-only all day.

Nevertheless, thousands of keypunch operators did exactly that.

> Likewise, there was a job category known as a "statistical
> typist" who typed numbers in charts. Wouldn't want that.

It's a living, I guess...

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Re: Injudicious Use of Stock Photo [message #388042 is a reply to message #388038] Thu, 24 October 2019 16:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: poitras

Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
> On 2019-10-23, hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com <hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote:
>> On Wednesday, October 23, 2019 at 3:15:38 PM UTC-4, Peter Flass wrote:
>>
>>> Of course, unlike programmers promoted to management, she may have been
>>> glad to get out. On the other hand I knew people who enjoyed being keypunch
>>> operators - no overtime, usually not much stress, camaraderie, etc. Just
>>> show up and enter a meditative state for a few hours.
>>
>> IBM once made a discounted keypunch with a numeric-only keyboard.
>> (Some older tab machines were numeric only).
> Numeric-only keyboards were indeed a lower-cost option.
> I once saw a perfectly dreadful sci-fi movie titled
> _The Brain Machine_. It did have nice shots of a
> 360/50 machine room, though. But next to the 1052
> they had a 2260 with colour CCTV images superimposed
> on its screen - and the keyboard was numeric-only,
> I suppose the producer wanted to give it a strange,
> futuristic look.
>> I can't imagine punching numeric-only all day.
> Nevertheless, thousands of keypunch operators did exactly that.
>> Likewise, there was a job category known as a "statistical
>> typist" who typed numbers in charts. Wouldn't want that.
> It's a living, I guess...

My dad was a radio operator in WWII (merchant marines). It wasn't voice, but
morse code. We used to try to get him to tap out our names and such and he'd
say, "I never really learned the letters, all we would tap out was numbers."
The messages were encrypted, so he never knew what he was sending or receiving.

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Re: Injudicious Use of Stock Photo [message #388044 is a reply to message #388003] Thu, 24 October 2019 16:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Wed, 23 Oct 2019 14:05:40 -0700 (PDT), hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:

> On Wednesday, October 23, 2019 at 3:15:38 PM UTC-4, Peter Flass wrote:
>
>> Of course, unlike programmers promoted to management, she may have been
>> glad to get out. On the other hand I knew people who enjoyed being keypunch
>> operators - no overtime, usually not much stress, camaraderie, etc. Just
>> show up and enter a meditative state for a few hours.
>
> IBM once made a discounted keypunch with a numeric-only keyboard.
> (Some older tab machines were numeric only).
>
> I can't imagine punching numeric-only all day.

I can. I knew of someone whose job was double-entering numerical
data all day. She was good. She could carry on a conversation while
entering at speed except for the occasional times.

> Likewise, there was a job category known as a "statistical
> typist" who typed numbers in charts. Wouldn't want that.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko
Re: Injudicious Use of Stock Photo [message #388084 is a reply to message #387972] Fri, 25 October 2019 11:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Jan van den Broek is currently offline  Jan van den Broek
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23 Oct 2019 11:00:15 GMT
Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> schrieb:
> On Tue, 2019-10-22, Jan van den Broek wrote:
> ...
>> Regarding "spot the difference", ten/fifteen years ago, Microsoft had ads
>> with two photographs in almost the same settings:
>> -- Tired, unhappy developers without Visual Studio
>> -- Fresh, happy developers with Visual Studio
>>
>> The differences between those two were easy to spot, but the interesting
>> thing (at least to me) was that the pictures also slightly differed per
>> country.
>
> How did they differ? Ethnicity and stuff, or do happy developers look
> different in different countries?

Mainly etnicity, iirc.
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Re: Injudicious Use of Stock Photo [message #388184 is a reply to message #388044] Wed, 30 October 2019 14:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Anonymous
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Originally posted by: googlegroups jmfbahciv

On Thursday, October 24, 2019 at 4:52:41 PM UTC-4, Gene Wirchenko wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Oct 2019 14:05:40 -0700 (PDT), hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, October 23, 2019 at 3:15:38 PM UTC-4, Peter Flass wrote:
>>
>>> Of course, unlike programmers promoted to management, she may have been
>>> glad to get out. On the other hand I knew people who enjoyed being keypunch
>>> operators - no overtime, usually not much stress, camaraderie, etc. Just
>>> show up and enter a meditative state for a few hours.
>>
>> IBM once made a discounted keypunch with a numeric-only keyboard.
>> (Some older tab machines were numeric only).
>>
>> I can't imagine punching numeric-only all day.
>
> I can. I knew of someone whose job was double-entering numerical
> data all day. She was good. She could carry on a conversation while
> entering at speed except for the occasional times.


the signal from seeing the number to typing it skips the cognitive
part of the brain. I can enter alphanumeric data very fast if I
don't think about it.

/BAH
Re: Injudicious Use of Stock Photo [message #419658 is a reply to message #388184] Thu, 16 March 2023 01:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Anonymous
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Originally posted by: Hill Stone

середа, 30 жовтня 2019 р. о 18:07:21 UTC googlegroups jmfbahciv пише:
> On Thursday, October 24, 2019 at 4:52:41 PM UTC-4, Gene Wirchenko wrote:
>> On Wed, 23 Oct 2019 14:05:40 -0700 (PDT), hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>>
>>> On Wednesday, October 23, 2019 at 3:15:38 PM UTC-4, Peter Flass wrote:
>>>
>>>> Of course, unlike programmers promoted to management, she may have been
>>>> glad to get out. On the other hand I knew people who enjoyed being keypunch
>>>> operators - no overtime, usually not much stress, camaraderie, etc. Just
>>>> show up and enter a meditative state for a few hours.
>>>
>>> IBM once made a discounted keypunch with a numeric-only keyboard.
>>> (Some older tab machines were numeric only).
>>>
>>> I can't imagine punching numeric-only all day.
>>
>> I can. I knew of someone whose job was double-entering numerical
>> data all day. She was good. She could carry on a conversation while
>> entering at speed except for the occasional times.
> the signal from seeing the number to typing it skips the cognitive
> part of the brain. I can enter alphanumeric data very fast if I
> don't think about it.
>
> /BAH


Stock photos are a lifesaver for content creators. Often there is simply not enough time and resources to take the required number of photos, and on the stock in one click you can find cool photos on absolutely any topic. Recently, I took <a href="https://depositphotos.com/stock-photos/sun.html">sun images</a> from there and, at the request of the customer, made an quickly post, it turned out great.
Re: Injudicious Use of Stock Photo [message #419659 is a reply to message #388184] Thu, 16 March 2023 01:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Hill Stone

середа, 30 жовтня 2019 р. о 18:07:21 UTC googlegroups jmfbahciv пише:
> On Thursday, October 24, 2019 at 4:52:41 PM UTC-4, Gene Wirchenko wrote:
>> On Wed, 23 Oct 2019 14:05:40 -0700 (PDT), hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>>
>>> On Wednesday, October 23, 2019 at 3:15:38 PM UTC-4, Peter Flass wrote:
>>>
>>>> Of course, unlike programmers promoted to management, she may have been
>>>> glad to get out. On the other hand I knew people who enjoyed being keypunch
>>>> operators - no overtime, usually not much stress, camaraderie, etc. Just
>>>> show up and enter a meditative state for a few hours.
>>>
>>> IBM once made a discounted keypunch with a numeric-only keyboard.
>>> (Some older tab machines were numeric only).
>>>
>>> I can't imagine punching numeric-only all day.
>>
>> I can. I knew of someone whose job was double-entering numerical
>> data all day. She was good. She could carry on a conversation while
>> entering at speed except for the occasional times.
> the signal from seeing the number to typing it skips the cognitive
> part of the brain. I can enter alphanumeric data very fast if I
> don't think about it.
>
> /BAH

Stock photos are a lifesaver for content creators. Often there is simply not enough time and resources to take the required number of photos, and on the stock in one click you can find cool photos on absolutely any topic. Recently, I took sun images here https://depositphotos.com/stock-photos/sun.html and, at the request of the customer, made an quickly post, it turned out great.
Re: Injudicious Use of Stock Photo [message #419660 is a reply to message #419658] Thu, 16 March 2023 04:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 2023-03-16, Hill Stone <etnostyled@gmail.com> wrote:
> середа, 30 жовтня 2019 р. о 18:07:21 UTC googlegroups jmfbahciv пише:
>> On Thursday, October 24, 2019 at 4:52:41 PM UTC-4, Gene Wirchenko wrote:
>>> On Wed, 23 Oct 2019 14:05:40 -0700 (PDT), hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, October 23, 2019 at 3:15:38 PM UTC-4, Peter Flass wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Of course, unlike programmers promoted to management, she may have been
>>>> > glad to get out. On the other hand I knew people who enjoyed being keypunch
>>>> > operators - no overtime, usually not much stress, camaraderie, etc. Just
>>>> > show up and enter a meditative state for a few hours.
>>>>
>>>> IBM once made a discounted keypunch with a numeric-only keyboard.
>>>> (Some older tab machines were numeric only).
>>>>
>>>> I can't imagine punching numeric-only all day.
>>>
>>> I can. I knew of someone whose job was double-entering numerical
>>> data all day. She was good. She could carry on a conversation while
>>> entering at speed except for the occasional times.
>> the signal from seeing the number to typing it skips the cognitive
>> part of the brain. I can enter alphanumeric data very fast if I
>> don't think about it.
>>
>> /BAH
>
>
> Stock photos are a lifesaver for content creators. Often there is simply not enough time and resources to take the required number of photos, and on the stock in one click you can find cool photos on absolutely any topic. Recently, I took <a href="https://depositphotos.com/stock-photos/sun.html">sun images</a> from there and, at the request of the customer, made an quickly post, it turned out great.


/BAH returns?


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Re: Injudicious Use of Stock Photo [message #419661 is a reply to message #419660] Thu, 16 March 2023 05:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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2023-03-16, maus <maus@mail.com> schrieb:
> On 2023-03-16, Hill Stone <etnostyled@gmail.com> wrote:
>> ??????, 30 ?????? 2019??. ? 18:07:21 UTC googlegroups jmfbahciv ????:
^^^^

[Schnipp]

>>> /BAH

> /BAH returns?

No, just a gmail-poster digging up old messages.

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Re: Injudicious Use of Stock Photo [message #419662 is a reply to message #419661] Thu, 16 March 2023 05:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 2023-03-16, Jan van den Broek <balglaas@sdf.org> wrote:
> 2023-03-16, maus <maus@mail.com> schrieb:
>> On 2023-03-16, Hill Stone <etnostyled@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> ??????, 30 ?????? 2019??. ? 18:07:21 UTC googlegroups jmfbahciv ????:
> ^^^^
>
> [Schnipp]
>
>>>> /BAH
>
>> /BAH returns?
>
> No, just a gmail-poster digging up old messages.
>

Google groups, more than gmail.


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Re: Injudicious Use of Stock Photo [message #419669 is a reply to message #419662] Thu, 16 March 2023 11:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 16 Mar 2023 09:21:00 GMT, maus <maus@mail.com> wrote:
> On 2023-03-16, Jan van den Broek <balglaas@sdf.org> wrote:
>> 2023-03-16, maus <maus@mail.com> schrieb:
>>> On 2023-03-16, Hill Stone <etnostyled@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> ??????, 30 ?????? 2019??. ? 18:07:21 UTC googlegroups jmfbahciv ????:
>> ^^^^
>>
>> [Schnipp]
>>
>>>> > /BAH
>>
>>> /BAH returns?
>>
>> No, just a gmail-poster digging up old messages.
>>
>
> Google groups, more than gmail.

Stock photos I saw a few years ago had two soldering pencil iron users
holding the heat dissipation grid, not the handle. If the soldering
pencils had been plugged in, their hands would have been burned.
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Re: Injudicious Use of Stock Photo [message #419681 is a reply to message #419669] Thu, 16 March 2023 15:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Anonymous
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Originally posted by: drb

> Stock photos I saw a few years ago had two soldering pencil iron users
> holding the heat dissipation grid, not the handle. If the soldering
> pencils had been plugged in, their hands would have been burned.

https://www.boredpanda.com/soldering-iron-stock-image-fails/
Re: Injudicious Use of Stock Photo [message #419685 is a reply to message #419681] Thu, 16 March 2023 18:20 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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On Thu, 16 Mar 2023 19:17:30 +0000, drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis
Boone) wrote:

I wrote:
>> Stock photos I saw a few years ago had two soldering pencil iron users
>> holding the heat dissipation grid, not the handle. If the soldering
>> pencils had been plugged in, their hands would have been burned.
>
> https://www.boredpanda.com/soldering-iron-stock-image-fails/

Yup, those are the ones.
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