| Conspiracy Theory? [message #419456] |
Wed, 01 March 2023 04:10  |
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Originally posted by: JYA Fan
Does anyone remember this guy? He's still kicking.
"Well, conspiracy theory was invented by the spies. No one does more
more conspiracy theory than spies do. The national security apparatus
cooks up conspiracy theories all the time, but they put out this story
that is just conspiracy theory, as though it's contemptible. But in
fact, they're the ones who cook up the threats that are far more complex
and bizarre than anything we ordinary people could ever cook up and they
get billions to fight it. So they're almost diabolically
conspiratorially. So let me call myself a sceptic and I'm willing to
learn, welcome criticism. I don't mind these terms of being a dissident,
a conspiracy theorist. Those are all throwaway terms." (interview with
RT Jan 2, 2011) -- John Young, https://cryptome.org
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| Re: Conspiracy Theory? [message #419459 is a reply to message #419456] |
Wed, 01 March 2023 05:36  |
Harry Vaderchi
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On Wed, 1 Mar 2023 03:10:20 -0600
JYA Fan <nobody@spam.invalid> wrote:
> Does anyone remember this guy? He's still kicking.
>
> "Well, conspiracy theory was invented by the spies. No one does more
> more conspiracy theory than spies do. The national security apparatus
> cooks up conspiracy theories all the time, but they put out this story
> that is just conspiracy theory, as though it's contemptible. But in
> fact, they're the ones who cook up the threats that are far more complex
> and bizarre than anything we ordinary people could ever cook up and they
> get billions to fight it. So they're almost diabolically
> conspiratorially. So let me call myself a sceptic and I'm willing to
> learn, welcome criticism. I don't mind these terms of being a dissident,
> a conspiracy theorist. Those are all throwaway terms." (interview with
> RT Jan 2, 2011) -- John Young, https://cryptome.org
Sounds like a metaconspiracy; I favour the one about the UFO scares
being a coverup/justification for US secret military aircraft
research.
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Bah, and indeed Humbug.
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| Re: Conspiracy Theory? [message #419460 is a reply to message #419459] |
Wed, 01 March 2023 05:57 |
GreyMaus[1]
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On 2023-03-01, Kerr-Mudd, John <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:
> On Wed, 1 Mar 2023 03:10:20 -0600
> JYA Fan <nobody@spam.invalid> wrote:
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>> Does anyone remember this guy? He's still kicking.
>>
>> "Well, conspiracy theory was invented by the spies. No one does more
>> more conspiracy theory than spies do. The national security apparatus
>> cooks up conspiracy theories all the time, but they put out this story
>> that is just conspiracy theory, as though it's contemptible. But in
>> fact, they're the ones who cook up the threats that are far more complex
>> and bizarre than anything we ordinary people could ever cook up and they
>> get billions to fight it. So they're almost diabolically
>> conspiratorially. So let me call myself a sceptic and I'm willing to
>> learn, welcome criticism. I don't mind these terms of being a dissident,
>> a conspiracy theorist. Those are all throwaway terms." (interview with
>> RT Jan 2, 2011) -- John Young, https://cryptome.org
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> Sounds like a metaconspiracy; I favour the one about the UFO scares
> being a coverup/justification for US secret military aircraft
> research.
>
Seems likely to me, too. The Seti thing, as I remember, found nothing?.
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greymausg@mail.com
where is our money gone, Dude?
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| Re: Conspiracy Theory? [message #419472 is a reply to message #419460] |
Wed, 01 March 2023 16:57 |
Charlie Gibbs
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On 2023-03-01, maus <maus@mail.com> wrote:
> On 2023-03-01, Kerr-Mudd, John <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:
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>> On Wed, 1 Mar 2023 03:10:20 -0600
>> JYA Fan <nobody@spam.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> Does anyone remember this guy? He's still kicking.
>>>
>>> "Well, conspiracy theory was invented by the spies. No one does more
>>> more conspiracy theory than spies do. The national security apparatus
>>> cooks up conspiracy theories all the time, but they put out this story
>>> that is just conspiracy theory, as though it's contemptible. But in
>>> fact, they're the ones who cook up the threats that are far more complex
>>> and bizarre than anything we ordinary people could ever cook up and they
>>> get billions to fight it. So they're almost diabolically
>>> conspiratorially. So let me call myself a sceptic and I'm willing to
>>> learn, welcome criticism. I don't mind these terms of being a dissident,
>>> a conspiracy theorist. Those are all throwaway terms." (interview with
>>> RT Jan 2, 2011) -- John Young, https://cryptome.org
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>> Sounds like a metaconspiracy; I favour the one about the UFO scares
>> being a coverup/justification for US secret military aircraft
>> research.
>
> Seems likely to me, too. The Seti thing, as I remember, found nothing?.
Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life
exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has
tried to contact us.
-- Calvin and Hobbes
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/~\ Charlie Gibbs | You can't save the earth
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X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | make other people sacrifice.
/ \ if you read it the right way. | -- Dogbert the green consultant
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| Re: Conspiracy Theory? [message #419538 is a reply to message #419460] |
Tue, 07 March 2023 11:44 |
D.J.
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On 1 Mar 2023 10:57:47 GMT, maus <maus@mail.com> wrote:
> On 2023-03-01, Kerr-Mudd, John <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>> On Wed, 1 Mar 2023 03:10:20 -0600
>> JYA Fan <nobody@spam.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> Does anyone remember this guy? He's still kicking.
>>>
>>> "Well, conspiracy theory was invented by the spies. No one does more
>>> more conspiracy theory than spies do. The national security apparatus
>>> cooks up conspiracy theories all the time, but they put out this story
>>> that is just conspiracy theory, as though it's contemptible. But in
>>> fact, they're the ones who cook up the threats that are far more complex
>>> and bizarre than anything we ordinary people could ever cook up and they
>>> get billions to fight it. So they're almost diabolically
>>> conspiratorially. So let me call myself a sceptic and I'm willing to
>>> learn, welcome criticism. I don't mind these terms of being a dissident,
>>> a conspiracy theorist. Those are all throwaway terms." (interview with
>>> RT Jan 2, 2011) -- John Young, https://cryptome.org
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>> Sounds like a metaconspiracy; I favour the one about the UFO scares
>> being a coverup/justification for US secret military aircraft
>> research.
>>
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> Seems likely to me, too. The Seti thing, as I remember, found nothing?.
They keep looking. There was the Wow signal last century. They have
pointed radio telescopes to that location, no repeat.
--
Jim
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| Re: Conspiracy Theory? [message #419539 is a reply to message #419538] |
Tue, 07 March 2023 13:23 |
Peter Flass
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D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> wrote:
> On 1 Mar 2023 10:57:47 GMT, maus <maus@mail.com> wrote:
>> On 2023-03-01, Kerr-Mudd, John <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 1 Mar 2023 03:10:20 -0600
>>> JYA Fan <nobody@spam.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Does anyone remember this guy? He's still kicking.
>>>>
>>>> "Well, conspiracy theory was invented by the spies. No one does more
>>>> more conspiracy theory than spies do. The national security apparatus
>>>> cooks up conspiracy theories all the time, but they put out this story
>>>> that is just conspiracy theory, as though it's contemptible. But in
>>>> fact, they're the ones who cook up the threats that are far more complex
>>>> and bizarre than anything we ordinary people could ever cook up and they
>>>> get billions to fight it. So they're almost diabolically
>>>> conspiratorially. So let me call myself a sceptic and I'm willing to
>>>> learn, welcome criticism. I don't mind these terms of being a dissident,
>>>> a conspiracy theorist. Those are all throwaway terms." (interview with
>>>> RT Jan 2, 2011) -- John Young, https://cryptome.org
>>>
>>> Sounds like a metaconspiracy; I favour the one about the UFO scares
>>> being a coverup/justification for US secret military aircraft
>>> research.
>>>
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>> Seems likely to me, too. The Seti thing, as I remember, found nothing?.
They’ve SAID they found nothing.
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> They keep looking. There was the Wow signal last century. They have
> pointed radio telescopes to that location, no repeat.
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Pete
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| Re: Conspiracy Theory? [message #419540 is a reply to message #419539] |
Tue, 07 March 2023 14:00 |
scott
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Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes:
> D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> wrote:
>> On 1 Mar 2023 10:57:47 GMT, maus <maus@mail.com> wrote:
>>> On 2023-03-01, Kerr-Mudd, John <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 1 Mar 2023 03:10:20 -0600
>>>> JYA Fan <nobody@spam.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Does anyone remember this guy? He's still kicking.
>>>> >
>>>> > "Well, conspiracy theory was invented by the spies. No one does more
>>>> > more conspiracy theory than spies do. The national security apparatus
>>>> > cooks up conspiracy theories all the time, but they put out this story
>>>> > that is just conspiracy theory, as though it's contemptible. But in
>>>> > fact, they're the ones who cook up the threats that are far more complex
>>>> > and bizarre than anything we ordinary people could ever cook up and they
>>>> > get billions to fight it. So they're almost diabolically
>>>> > conspiratorially. So let me call myself a sceptic and I'm willing to
>>>> > learn, welcome criticism. I don't mind these terms of being a dissident,
>>>> > a conspiracy theorist. Those are all throwaway terms." (interview with
>>>> > RT Jan 2, 2011) -- John Young, https://cryptome.org
>>>>
>>>> Sounds like a metaconspiracy; I favour the one about the UFO scares
>>>> being a coverup/justification for US secret military aircraft
>>>> research.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Seems likely to me, too. The Seti thing, as I remember, found nothing?.
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> They’ve SAID they found nothing.
That kind of secret is not "keepable".
Consider the scale of the Universe, the number of galaxies,
solar systems, planets - combine that with the fact that any
signals that we can detect proceed at lightspeed; most of
what we see or hear today occurred millions or billions of years ago;
the chances of our detecting another civilization are tiny.
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| Re: Conspiracy Theory? [message #419541 is a reply to message #419538] |
Tue, 07 March 2023 15:14 |
Ahem A Rivet's Shot
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On Tue, 07 Mar 2023 10:44:41 -0600
D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> wrote:
> They keep looking. There was the Wow signal last century. They have
> pointed radio telescopes to that location, no repeat.
If we do find anything it means the galaxy is positively crawling
with intelligent life. If we ever meet anyone else then intelligent life
has to be amazingly common.
There are a hundred billion (US) stars in the galaxy, which means
there's room for a hundred thousand interstellar civilisations spanning a
million stars each (council halls the size of Dublin!) without them sharing
a single system. Piers Anthony had a civilisation called Thousandstar
because it spanned a thousand star systems - there's room for a hundred
million of those in our galaxy at once. If there are only a million of
them the chances are that none are close enough to detect.
It's also worth considering that on the timescale of billions of
years species tend to only hang around for a million or so.
--
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
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| Re: Conspiracy Theory? [message #419542 is a reply to message #419538] |
Tue, 07 March 2023 16:58 |
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Originally posted by: Darren Darko
To: D.J.
Re: Re: Conspiracy Theory?
By: D.J. to alt.folklore.computers on Tue Mar 07 2023 10:44 am
> > Seems likely to me, too. The Seti thing, as I remember, found nothing?.
They did, indeed, find something.
They found out that tens of thousands of id10ts would install an closed source distributed client application and leave their machines running overnight for absolutely nothing ;)
--- Synchronet 3.20a-Win32 NewsLink 1.113
* realitycheckBBS - Aptos, CA - telnet://realitycheckbbs.org
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| Re: Conspiracy Theory? [message #419544 is a reply to message #419542] |
Wed, 08 March 2023 10:50 |
D.J.
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On Tue, 7 Mar 2023 13:58:08 -0800, "Darren Darko"
<darren.darko@realitycheckbbs.org.remove-ohh-this> wrote:
> To: D.J.
> Re: Re: Conspiracy Theory?
> By: D.J. to alt.folklore.computers on Tue Mar 07 2023 10:44 am
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>>> Seems likely to me, too. The Seti thing, as I remember, found nothing?.
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> They did, indeed, find something.
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> They found out that tens of thousands of id10ts would install an closed source distributed client application and leave their machines running overnight for absolutely nothing ;)
> --- Synchronet 3.20a-Win32 NewsLink 1.113
> * realitycheckBBS - Aptos, CA - telnet://realitycheckbbs.org
You tha funny.
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Jim
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| Re: Conspiracy Theory? [message #419547 is a reply to message #419544] |
Wed, 08 March 2023 13:52 |
info
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On Wed, 08 Mar 2023 09:50:53 -0600, D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> did make me
awaken from my chaotic existentialism when they didst announce:
> On Tue, 7 Mar 2023 13:58:08 -0800, "Darren Darko"
> <darren.darko@realitycheckbbs.org.remove-ohh-this> wrote:
>> To: D.J.
>> Re: Re: Conspiracy Theory?
>> By: D.J. to alt.folklore.computers on Tue Mar 07 2023 10:44 am
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>>>> Seems likely to me, too. The Seti thing, as I remember, found nothing?.
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>> They did, indeed, find something.
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>> They found out that tens of thousands of id10ts would install an closed source distributed client application and leave their machines running overnight for absolutely nothing ;)
>> --- Synchronet 3.20a-Win32 NewsLink 1.113
>> * realitycheckBBS - Aptos, CA - telnet://realitycheckbbs.org
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> You tha funny.
Honestly, they do have a point....
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