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| Re: Richard Stallman as Seen via the BBS Scene [message #419099 is a reply to message #419098] |
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Originally posted by: Oh So Gross!
On 2/15/23 05:34, maus wrote:
> On 2023-02-15, Citadel BBS History <citadel@bbs.history> wrote:
>> "This document makes reference to the terms "Linux" and "open source"
>> without hesitation. Our official position is that the phrase "GNU/Linux"
>> is only used by communists like Richard Stallman who contribute little
>> more than noise and friction to the open source community."
>>
>> Citadel: a storied history
>> https://www.citadel.org/citadel_past_present_and_future.html
>>
>> TLDR; Richard Stallman is a dishwatery pinko commie neanderthal.
>>
>
> I would disagree. He is a non-group thinker.
He tells us what he thinks about. Richard Stallman Quotes:
"I am skeptical of the claim that voluntarily pedophilia harms children.
The arguments that it causes harm seem to be based on cases which aren't
voluntary, which are then stretched by parents who are horrified by the
idea that their little baby is maturing."
"There is little evidence to justify the widespread assumption that
willing participation in pedophilia hurts children. Granted, children
may not dare say no to an older relative, or may not realize they could
say no; in that case, even if they do not overtly object, the
relationship may still feel imposed to them. That's not willing
participation, it's imposed participation, a different issue."
"Prostitution, adultery, necrophilia, bestiality, possession of child
pornography, and even incest and pedophilia ... should be legal as long
as no one is coerced. They are illegal only because of prejudice and
narrowmindedness."
"I've read that male dolphins try to have sex with humans, and female
apes solicit sex from humans. What is wrong with giving them what they
want, if that's what turns you on, or even just to gratify them?"
"Many years ago I posted that I could not see anything wrong about sex
between an adult and a child, if the child accepted it," Stallman wrote.
"Through personal conversations in recent years, I've learned to
understand how sex with a child can harm per psychologically. This
changed my mind about the matter: I think adults should not do that. I
am grateful for the conversations that enabled me to understand why."
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| Re: Richard Stallman as Seen via the BBS Scene [message #419100 is a reply to message #419099] |
Wed, 15 February 2023 09:24 |
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Oh So Gross! <oh@so.gross> wrote:
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> "I've read that male dolphins try to have sex with humans, and female
> apes solicit sex from humans. What is wrong with giving them what they
> want, if that's what turns you on, or even just to gratify them?"
>
And this, children, is where mermaids come from.
Stallman has made real, significant contributions, including
re-invigorating the idea of open source for the post-unbundling era, but
he’s much too full of himself, and has failed to realize that things have
moved on.
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| Re: Richard Stallman as Seen via the BBS Scene [message #419101 is a reply to message #419097] |
Wed, 15 February 2023 11:02 |
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Originally posted by: Ben Collver
On 2023-02-15, Citadel BBS History <citadel@bbs.history> wrote:
> "This document makes reference to the terms "Linux" and "open source"
> without hesitation. Our official position is that the phrase "GNU/Linux"
> is only used by communists like Richard Stallman who contribute little
> more than noise and friction to the open source community."
Loving the ad hominem and false dichotomy here. If you aren't with us,
you're against us.
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| Re: Richard Stallman as Seen via the BBS Scene [message #419106 is a reply to message #419100] |
Wed, 15 February 2023 14:35 |
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On 2023-02-15, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Oh So Gross! <oh@so.gross> wrote:
>
>>
>> "I've read that male dolphins try to have sex with humans, and female
>> apes solicit sex from humans. What is wrong with giving them what they
>> want, if that's what turns you on, or even just to gratify them?"
>>
>
> And this, children, is where mermaids come from.
>
> Stallman has made real, significant contributions, including
> re-invigorating the idea of open source for the post-unbundling era, but
> he’s much too full of himself, and has failed to realize that things have
> moved on.
>
I believe that there are recordings of him singing!. I am a vim person myself.
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| Re: Richard Stallman as Seen via the BBS Scene [message #419109 is a reply to message #419097] |
Wed, 15 February 2023 18:05 |
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Originally posted by: Blue-Maned_Hawk
On 2/15/23 06:25, Citadel BBS History wrote:
> "This document makes reference to the terms "Linux" and "open source"
> without hesitation. Our official position is that the phrase "GNU/Linux"
> is only used by communists like Richard Stallman who contribute little
> more than noise and friction to the open source community."
>
When you use the term "communist" against someone derogatorily, do you
use it with the literal definition term in mind, or do you use it as a
generic insult, regardless of its literal definition?
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| Re: Richard Stallman as Seen via the BBS Scene [message #419110 is a reply to message #419109] |
Wed, 15 February 2023 21:33 |
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According to Blue-Maned_Hawk <bluemanedhawk@gmail.com>:
>> is only used by communists like Richard Stallman who contribute little
>> more than noise and friction to the open source community."
>
> When you use the term "communist" against someone derogatorily, do you
> use it with the literal definition term in mind, or do you use it as a
> generic insult, regardless of its literal definition?
Stallman is the guy behind the Gnu Public License, which is intended
to force software to be freely sharable rather than sold so in that
sense I suppose you might argue that he's opposed to private property.
But as far as I know, that's just about software. As anyone familiar
with the history of computing knows, nobody even attempted to
copyright software until the mid 1960s, and the computer business did
just fine in the 1940s, 50s, and 60s.
So in this case I think it's "communist" in the sense of "poopyhead".
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| Re: Richard Stallman as Seen via the BBS Scene [message #419115 is a reply to message #419110] |
Thu, 16 February 2023 07:23 |
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Originally posted by: Vir Campestris
On 16/02/2023 02:33, John Levine wrote:
> As anyone familiar
> with the history of computing knows, nobody even attempted to
> copyright software until the mid 1960s, and the computer business did
> just fine in the 1940s, 50s, and 60s.
Back in those days there was no portable software.
IAC software was just a way to help sell the hardware.
Andy
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| Re: Richard Stallman as Seen via the BBS Scene [message #419145 is a reply to message #419110] |
Thu, 16 February 2023 16:59 |
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Originally posted by: Jim Jackson
On 2023-02-16, John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote:
> According to Blue-Maned_Hawk <bluemanedhawk@gmail.com>:
>>> is only used by communists like Richard Stallman who contribute little
>>> more than noise and friction to the open source community."
>>
>> ???When you use the term "communist" against someone derogatorily, do you
>> use it with the literal definition term in mind, or do you use it as a
>> generic insult, regardless of its literal definition?
>
> Stallman is the guy behind the Gnu Public License, which is intended
> to force software to be freely sharable rather than sold ...
Not quite. You can sell it. From the GPL 2, second paragraph ...
"When we speak of free software, we are referring to freedom, not
price. Our General Public Licenses are designed to make sure that you
have the freedom to distribute copies of free software (and charge for
this service if you wish), that you receive source code or can get it
if you want it, that you can change the software or use pieces of it
in new free programs; and that you know you can do these things."
> .... so in that
> sense I suppose you might argue that he's opposed to private property.
> But as far as I know, that's just about software. As anyone familiar
> with the history of computing knows, nobody even attempted to
> copyright software until the mid 1960s, and the computer business did
> just fine in the 1940s, 50s, and 60s.
> So in this case I think it's "communist" in the sense of "poopyhead".
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| Re: Richard Stallman as Seen via the BBS Scene [message #419146 is a reply to message #419115] |
Thu, 16 February 2023 17:26 |
John Levine
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According to Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid>:
> On 16/02/2023 02:33, John Levine wrote:
>> As anyone familiar
>> with the history of computing knows, nobody even attempted to
>> copyright software until the mid 1960s, and the computer business did
>> just fine in the 1940s, 50s, and 60s.
>
> Back in those days there was no portable software.
Um, the entire point of COBOL was to be portable, and people were
certainly moving Fortran programs from one kind of machine to another
by 1960. You might want to brush up on your history.
Hint: the CO stands for COmmon.
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| Re: Richard Stallman as Seen via the BBS Scene [message #419147 is a reply to message #419097] |
Thu, 16 February 2023 18:26 |
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Originally posted by: Anthk
On 2023-02-15, Citadel BBS History <citadel@bbs.history> wrote:
> "This document makes reference to the terms "Linux" and "open source"
> without hesitation. Our official position is that the phrase "GNU/Linux"
> is only used by communists like Richard Stallman who contribute little
> more than noise and friction to the open source community."
>
> Citadel: a storied history
> https://www.citadel.org/citadel_past_present_and_future.html
>
> TLDR; Richard Stallman is a dishwatery pinko commie neanderthal.
>
Eh, GuixSD it's far more revolutionary than these old-fashioned dickheads.
And Emacs interface for the blind, Emacspeak, it's far ahead of everything.
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| Re: Richard Stallman as Seen via the BBS Scene [message #419149 is a reply to message #419099] |
Thu, 16 February 2023 19:57 |
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On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 6:56:29 AM UTC-7, Oh So Gross! quoted, in part:
> "I am skeptical of the claim that voluntarily pedophilia harms children.
Even if there is some truth to that position in the _abstract_, in the
real world, this is a non-issue because legalizing this imaginary
unicorn of voluntary pedophilia would only make it harder to convict
those who are guilty of the _real_ serious problem of involuntary
pedophilia.
Presumably, the most charitable explanation of what has prompted
him to make a remark likely to get him tarred and feathered would be
an autism spectrum disorder.
John Savard
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| Re: Richard Stallman as Seen via the BBS Scene [message #419150 is a reply to message #419146] |
Thu, 16 February 2023 20:13 |
Charlie Gibbs
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On 2023-02-16, John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote:
> According to Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid>:
>
>> On 16/02/2023 02:33, John Levine wrote:
>>
>>> As anyone familiar
>>> with the history of computing knows, nobody even attempted to
>>> copyright software until the mid 1960s, and the computer business
>>> did just fine in the 1940s, 50s, and 60s.
>>
>> Back in those days there was no portable software.
>
> Um, the entire point of COBOL was to be portable, and people were
> certainly moving Fortran programs from one kind of machine to another
> by 1960. You might want to brush up on your history.
>
> Hint: the CO stands for COmmon.
Still, as with everything else, IBM did its best to add proprietary
extensions to lock people in. (Yes, that's one more "innovation"
that Microsoft didn't invent.) But if you were careful you could
write in a fairly portable dialect.
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| Re: Richard Stallman as Seen via the BBS Scene [message #419152 is a reply to message #419149] |
Fri, 17 February 2023 00:17 |
Ahem A Rivet's Shot
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On Thu, 16 Feb 2023 16:57:13 -0800 (PST)
Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 6:56:29 AM UTC-7, Oh So Gross! quoted,
> in part:
>
>> "I am skeptical of the claim that voluntarily pedophilia harms
>> children.
>
> Even if there is some truth to that position in the _abstract_, in the
> real world, this is a non-issue because legalizing this imaginary
> unicorn of voluntary pedophilia would only make it harder to convict
> those who are guilty of the _real_ serious problem of involuntary
> pedophilia.
Quite so - and the equally (perhaps more) serious problem of
grooming which looks like voluntary until you see the persuasion.
> Presumably, the most charitable explanation of what has prompted
> him to make a remark likely to get him tarred and feathered would be
> an autism spectrum disorder.
Perhaps - or maybe he was thinking of the fairly common edge case
of the slightly underage horny teenager who doesn't care to wait for the
law. Depending on the legal age the window for that can be quite wide.
I recall trying to be that teenager from the age of 14, and I doubt
that success would have harmed me. As it was at 16 I was legal in the
jurisdiction I grew up in but in the one I currently live in my partner (a
few months older and just 17) could have been in trouble. In some
jurisdictions we would both still have been underage. As it is there's a
certain Meatloaf lyric that always triggers happy memories.
One teenage friend of mine at 16 went and snagged herself a 30 year
old boyfriend quite deliberately - I actually heard her say something
like "I fancy him" and watched her go off with seduction in mind to return
with him in tow, They lasted about six months. That was legal there and
then, in many places it would have been the unicorn you mention.
One of the more ridiculous legal errors in this area in some
jurisdictions is not providing an exception for the case when *both* parties
are underage or nearly so. There's a case where two 15 year olds got
themselves on the sex offenders register by being caught kissing!
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| Re: Richard Stallman as Seen via the BBS Scene [message #419154 is a reply to message #419097] |
Fri, 17 February 2023 02:09 |
Quadibloc
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On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 4:23:02 AM UTC-7, Citadel BBS History wrote:
> "This document makes reference to the terms "Linux" and "open source"
> without hesitation. Our official position is that the phrase "GNU/Linux"
> is only used by communists like Richard Stallman who contribute little
> more than noise and friction to the open source community."
>
> Citadel: a storied history
> https://www.citadel.org/citadel_past_present_and_future.html
>
> TLDR; Richard Stallman is a dishwatery pinko commie neanderthal.
Well, I have good news for those who are anti-Communist!
https://www.theregister.com/2023/02/13/chimera_non_gnu_linux /
It hasn't reached beta yet, even, but a version of Linux is making progress
that is compiled with LLVM instead of GCC, and which uses stuff from
BSD in order to make itself completely GNU-free!
John Savard
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| Re: Richard Stallman as Seen via the BBS Scene [message #419155 is a reply to message #419149] |
Fri, 17 February 2023 02:27 |
Mike Spencer
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Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> writes:
> On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 6:56:29 AM UTC-7, Oh So Gross! quoted, in part:
>
>> "I am skeptical of the claim that voluntarily pedophilia harms children.
>
> Even if there is some truth to that position in the _abstract_, in the
> real world, this is a non-issue because legalizing this imaginary
> unicorn of voluntary pedophilia would only make it harder to convict
> those who are guilty of the _real_ serious problem of involuntary
> pedophilia.
Just so. We have an understanding that children aren't knowledgeable
enough to make life-altering decisions for themselves. Age thresholds
for drinking, driving, marriage, statutory rape, and consensual sexual
relations inter alia are justifiable but essentially arbitrary. The
current political mare's nest over whether a boy or girl can
legitimately consent to life-altering pharmaceuticals or other
treatment to become, respectively, a girl or boy has the same
intrinsic problem.
At what age can consent for a life-altering action be regarded as
legitimate?
There's a good movie -- I forget the title -- about a girl of perhaps
13 or 14 who arranges with a scumbag to have her father killed because
he won't let her get a tattoo. The desired small tattoo would likely
do her no harm. OTOH, the father was reasonable in his judgment that
she was too young to make such a decision, evinced by her immature
judgment that she could have him whacked.
> Presumably, the most charitable explanation of what has prompted
> him to make a remark likely to get him tarred and feathered would be
> an autism spectrum disorder.
Good inference.
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| Re: Richard Stallman as Seen via the BBS Scene [message #419156 is a reply to message #419149] |
Fri, 17 February 2023 02:57 |
GreyMaus[1]
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On 2023-02-17, Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 6:56:29 AM UTC-7, Oh So Gross! quoted, in part:
>
>> "I am skeptical of the claim that voluntarily pedophilia harms children.
>
> Even if there is some truth to that position in the _abstract_, in the
> real world, this is a non-issue because legalizing this imaginary
> unicorn of voluntary pedophilia would only make it harder to convict
> those who are guilty of the _real_ serious problem of involuntary
> pedophilia.
>
> Presumably, the most charitable explanation of what has prompted
> him to make a remark likely to get him tarred and feathered would be
> an autism spectrum disorder.
>
> John Savard
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| Re: Richard Stallman as Seen via the BBS Scene [message #419157 is a reply to message #419154] |
Fri, 17 February 2023 03:39 |
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On 2023-02-17, Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 4:23:02 AM UTC-7, Citadel BBS History wrote:
>> "This document makes reference to the terms "Linux" and "open source"
>> without hesitation. Our official position is that the phrase "GNU/Linux"
>> is only used by communists like Richard Stallman who contribute little
>> more than noise and friction to the open source community."
>>
>> Citadel: a storied history
>> https://www.citadel.org/citadel_past_present_and_future.html
>>
>> TLDR; Richard Stallman is a dishwatery pinko commie neanderthal.
>
> Well, I have good news for those who are anti-Communist!
>
> https://www.theregister.com/2023/02/13/chimera_non_gnu_linux /
>
> It hasn't reached beta yet, even, but a version of Linux is making progress
> that is compiled with LLVM instead of GCC, and which uses stuff from
> BSD in order to make itself completely GNU-free!
The Linux kernel is still licensed under the GNU GPLv2, though, so you
aren't completely getting away from the "communism". You'd better just
run a BSD.
https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/v5.0/process/license-rules.h tml
Niklas
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| Re: Richard Stallman as Seen via the BBS Scene [message #419162 is a reply to message #419149] |
Fri, 17 February 2023 10:30 |
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Originally posted by: Ben Collver
On 2023-02-17, Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
> Even if there is some truth to that position in the _abstract_, in the
> real world, this is a non-issue because legalizing this imaginary
> unicorn of voluntary pedophilia would only make it harder to convict
> those who are guilty of the _real_ serious problem of involuntary
> pedophilia.
I was told that legally speaking, pedophilia is attraction to
children. Adults who have this condition tend to be survivors of
child abuse. The attraction isn't illegal. Acting on it is.
I'd think that people who like to mince words and legalities would use
more nuance. Especially considering all the "Curb stomp your local
pedophile" bumper stickers and t-shirts i've been seeing.
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| Re: Richard Stallman as Seen via the BBS Scene [message #419164 is a reply to message #419154] |
Fri, 17 February 2023 14:51 |
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Originally posted by: Blue-Maned_Hawk
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make with this. There are
multiple non-GNU Linuxes available. I don't see what communism has to
do with this. (Also, i wouldn't consider building a software with GCC
to automatically make that software GNU software.)
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| Re: Richard Stallman as Seen via the BBS Scene [message #419165 is a reply to message #419157] |
Fri, 17 February 2023 14:54 |
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Originally posted by: Blue-Maned_Hawk
On 2/17/23 03:39, Niklas Karlsson wrote:
> The Linux kernel is still licensed under the GNU GPLv2, though, […]
I don't think it makes sense to consider something GNU software just
because it's licensed under a GNU-made license. Separate the art from
the artist and all that.
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| Re: Richard Stallman as Seen via the BBS Scene [message #419269 is a reply to message #419165] |
Tue, 21 February 2023 04:49 |
Niklas Karlsson
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On 2023-02-17, Blue-Maned_Hawk <bluemanedhawk@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2/17/23 03:39, Niklas Karlsson wrote:
>> The Linux kernel is still licensed under the GNU GPLv2, though, […]
>
> I don't think it makes sense to consider something GNU software just
> because it's licensed under a GNU-made license. Separate the art from
> the artist and all that.
Oh, it isn't GNU software. I didn't say it was.
But if you want away from GNU because it's "communist" then surely the
GPL is a core part of that? As opposed to the more moderate approach
taken by the BSD and MIT licenses, say. So I'd think you'd want to get
away from other GPLed software as well.
(I am not personally opposed to the GPL, but I could in a way understand
such a perspective.)
Niklas
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| Re: Richard Stallman as Seen via the BBS Scene [message #419274 is a reply to message #419269] |
Tue, 21 February 2023 16:03 |
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On Tuesday, February 21, 2023 at 2:49:16 AM UTC-7, Niklas Karlsson wrote:
> As opposed to the more moderate approach
> taken by the BSD and MIT licenses, say.
Ah, yes, then the software is no longer a virus that could contaminate
commercial software, imperiling the integrity of its copyright and
its proprietary nature. Instead, it can be used with abandon, thus making
a constructive contribution to programs like Microsoft Windows.
John Savard
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| Re: Richard Stallman as Seen via the BBS Scene [message #419278 is a reply to message #419274] |
Wed, 22 February 2023 02:05 |
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On Tue, 21 Feb 2023 13:03:42 -0800 (PST)
Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
> Ah, yes, then the software is no longer a virus that could contaminate
> commercial software, imperiling the integrity of its copyright and
> its proprietary nature. Instead, it can be used with abandon, thus making
> a constructive contribution to programs like Microsoft Windows.
I suspect Microsoft Windows would be even more buggy if it weren't
for the BSD code in it. At a different level I doubt Isilon's OneFS would
have existed without a BSD licensed OS to build it on top of.
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Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
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| Re: Richard Stallman as Seen via the BBS Scene [message #419285 is a reply to message #419162] |
Wed, 22 February 2023 08:11 |
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Originally posted by: Dan Crawford
On 2/17/23 09:30, Ben Collver wrote:
> On 2023-02-17, Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>> Even if there is some truth to that position in the _abstract_, in the
>> real world, this is a non-issue because legalizing this imaginary
>> unicorn of voluntary pedophilia would only make it harder to convict
>> those who are guilty of the _real_ serious problem of involuntary
>> pedophilia.
>
> I was told that legally speaking, pedophilia is attraction to
> children. Adults who have this condition tend to be survivors of
> child abuse. The attraction isn't illegal. Acting on it is.
>
> I'd think that people who like to mince words and legalities would use
> more nuance. Especially considering all the "Curb stomp your local
> pedophile" bumper stickers and t-shirts i've been seeing.
I was sexually abused and assaulted as a child. The thought of raping
someone or having sex with a child never occurred to me. Never have I
looked at a young person and thought, "Gee, I'd like to ram my throbbing
cock up into that."
Then I read Richard Stallman's thoughts. If I could meet him in person I
would like to give him some sex education. I hope he has a fist fetish.
When I was a teenager a girl younger than me lied to me about her age.
They lie about their age for one reason, and one reason only: cock trap,
which usually amounts to a pregnancy trap, and eventually getting
charged with the crime of "assault with a friendly weapon."
Thinking she was seventeen and not fifteen, I had kissed her while out
around town with her. Something felt very wrong and off. I started
noticing really immature behavior. Eventually I got her to admit her
real age to me. After I figured out that she lied to me about her age,
and she admitted it, I was furious! I told her to fuck off and I never
spoke to her again. The thought of getting up in her grundle never
crossed my mind, even though she was trolling for my dick.
Once when I was nineteen a fifteen-year-old community cat slut tried to
seduce me while I was working on a project with her brother. I was
viscerally repulsed by her advances and pushed her away from me. I asked
her, what would your dad think about your behavior? This ENRAGED her.
She was only fifteen and was already a female sexual predator. Her dad
was a Democrat bureaucrat working in a government agency. He could have
cared less. I learned this young whore had been greedily fucking several
older men around town. A woman who isn't sick would be angry about such
men preying after her. She went preying upon them. Yuk!
There is no excuse for sexually abusing children. I don't care how much
you were raped as a youth. If you rape a child, you should die. Our
society should put groomers, rapists and kid fuckers to death as soon as
possible. There was a time we did this, and it was usually done
extra-judicially. We buried pederasts alive in swamps in wicker cages.
Zero tolerance! This would cure most of the trauma-based mind control
that the government uses to rule over the masses. The Catholic Church
would collapse like a dodo bird, so people would be free from the
religious trauma brainwashing as well.
Anyone who defends a piece of bourgeois garbage like Richard Stallman is
a sub-human stain with no spine. The sick fucker made comments in
defense of child rape and grooming. That's not something that happens by
accident.
I'm all for curb-stomping every entitled bourgeois and illuminist poop
stain that either preys on children, or enables such sickness to
continue. Kill them all and let God sort 'em out.
If you molest my kids, you will be getting killed. I would not report
the rape to the police until after I get the pervert's confession and
execution on video tape. Then I would turn myself and the tape in to the
police in open court and dare them to charge me for killing the bastard.
Death to chomos, rapos, and kid fuckers is the only way to go.
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| Re: Richard Stallman as Seen via the BBS Scene [message #419293 is a reply to message #419285] |
Wed, 22 February 2023 11:09 |
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Originally posted by: Ben Collver
On 2023-02-22, Dan Crawford <crawdad1967@outlook.com> wrote:
> [A bunch of angry stuff.]
I assume that you are human and not some chat bot. You assume that
you would know when your kids were molested. If you walked around
like an angry time bomb apt to go off uncontrollably, they likely
wouldn't feel safe to tell you anything. I don't know whether this
is helpful but you should know that you are not alone.
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| Re: Richard Stallman as Seen via the BBS Scene [message #419303 is a reply to message #419274] |
Wed, 22 February 2023 15:16 |
Niklas Karlsson
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On 2023-02-21, Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
> On Tuesday, February 21, 2023 at 2:49:16 AM UTC-7, Niklas Karlsson wrote:
>> As opposed to the more moderate approach
>> taken by the BSD and MIT licenses, say.
>
> Ah, yes, then the software is no longer a virus that could contaminate
> commercial software, imperiling the integrity of its copyright and
> its proprietary nature. Instead, it can be used with abandon, thus making
> a constructive contribution to programs like Microsoft Windows.
I'm a little unsure of what tone to read your post in. Personally I
don't much mind, say, Steve's example of BSD code being used in Windows.
There was a time when I might have, but I'm too old and tired (even
though I'm a mere whippersnapper by a.f.c standards) and jaded from
having to get work done in the Real World to be that idealistic anymore.
Niklas
--
One developer I worked with pronounced SQL as "squirrel" and PL/SQL as
"peeled squirrel". This was the guy with several squirrel skulls on the
top of his monitor. I inherited those when he was fired for punching
someone fairly senior in management. -- John Burnham
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| Re: Richard Stallman as Seen via the BBS Scene [message #419304 is a reply to message #419303] |
Wed, 22 February 2023 16:42 |
Charlie Gibbs
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On 2023-02-22, Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2023-02-21, Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, February 21, 2023 at 2:49:16 AM UTC-7, Niklas Karlsson wrote:
>>
>>> As opposed to the more moderate approach
>>> taken by the BSD and MIT licenses, say.
>>
>> Ah, yes, then the software is no longer a virus that could contaminate
>> commercial software, imperiling the integrity of its copyright and
>> its proprietary nature. Instead, it can be used with abandon, thus making
>> a constructive contribution to programs like Microsoft Windows.
>
> I'm a little unsure of what tone to read your post in. Personally I
> don't much mind, say, Steve's example of BSD code being used in Windows.
> There was a time when I might have, but I'm too old and tired (even
> though I'm a mere whippersnapper by a.f.c standards) and jaded from
> having to get work done in the Real World to be that idealistic anymore.
As an idealist trying to get by in the Real World, my compromise
is to try to minimize my contact with Evil Monopolies (Microsoft,
Google, etc.) while recognizing that I'll never be 100% successful.
I set a high priority on giving those bastards as little as possible
that might benefit them.
https://www.jwz.org/xscreensaver/xscreensaver-windows.html
> One developer I worked with pronounced SQL as "squirrel" and PL/SQL as
> "peeled squirrel". This was the guy with several squirrel skulls on the
> top of his monitor. I inherited those when he was fired for punching
> someone fairly senior in management. -- John Burnham
I've always pronounced SQL as "squeal", which allows me
to impart sufficient violence to things like SQL*Forms
(pronounced "squeal splat forms").
--
/~\ Charlie Gibbs | Microsoft is a dictatorship.
\ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | Apple is a cult.
X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | Linux is anarchy.
/ \ if you read it the right way. | Pick your poison.
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| Re: Richard Stallman as Seen via the BBS Scene [message #419305 is a reply to message #419285] |
Wed, 22 February 2023 17:55 |
Peter Flass
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Dan Crawford <crawdad1967@outlook.com> wrote:
> On 2/17/23 09:30, Ben Collver wrote:
>> On 2023-02-17, Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>>> Even if there is some truth to that position in the _abstract_, in the
>>> real world, this is a non-issue because legalizing this imaginary
>>> unicorn of voluntary pedophilia would only make it harder to convict
>>> those who are guilty of the _real_ serious problem of involuntary
>>> pedophilia.
>>
>> I was told that legally speaking, pedophilia is attraction to
>> children. Adults who have this condition tend to be survivors of
>> child abuse. The attraction isn't illegal. Acting on it is.
>>
>> I'd think that people who like to mince words and legalities would use
>> more nuance. Especially considering all the "Curb stomp your local
>> pedophile" bumper stickers and t-shirts i've been seeing.
>
> I was sexually abused and assaulted as a child. The thought of raping
> someone or having sex with a child never occurred to me. Never have I
> looked at a young person and thought, "Gee, I'd like to ram my throbbing
> cock up into that."
>
> Then I read Richard Stallman's thoughts. If I could meet him in person I
> would like to give him some sex education. I hope he has a fist fetish.
>
> When I was a teenager a girl younger than me lied to me about her age.
> They lie about their age for one reason, and one reason only: cock trap,
> which usually amounts to a pregnancy trap, and eventually getting
> charged with the crime of "assault with a friendly weapon."
>
> Thinking she was seventeen and not fifteen, I had kissed her while out
> around town with her. Something felt very wrong and off. I started
> noticing really immature behavior. Eventually I got her to admit her
> real age to me. After I figured out that she lied to me about her age,
> and she admitted it, I was furious! I told her to fuck off and I never
> spoke to her again. The thought of getting up in her grundle never
> crossed my mind, even though she was trolling for my dick.
>
> Once when I was nineteen a fifteen-year-old community cat slut tried to
> seduce me while I was working on a project with her brother. I was
> viscerally repulsed by her advances and pushed her away from me. I asked
> her, what would your dad think about your behavior? This ENRAGED her.
>
> She was only fifteen and was already a female sexual predator. Her dad
> was a Democrat bureaucrat working in a government agency. He could have
> cared less. I learned this young whore had been greedily fucking several
> older men around town. A woman who isn't sick would be angry about such
> men preying after her. She went preying upon them. Yuk!
>
> There is no excuse for sexually abusing children. I don't care how much
> you were raped as a youth. If you rape a child, you should die. Our
> society should put groomers, rapists and kid fuckers to death as soon as
> possible. There was a time we did this, and it was usually done
> extra-judicially. We buried pederasts alive in swamps in wicker cages.
> Zero tolerance! This would cure most of the trauma-based mind control
> that the government uses to rule over the masses. The Catholic Church
> would collapse like a dodo bird, so people would be free from the
> religious trauma brainwashing as well.
>
> Anyone who defends a piece of bourgeois garbage like Richard Stallman is
> a sub-human stain with no spine. The sick fucker made comments in
> defense of child rape and grooming. That's not something that happens by
> accident.
>
> I'm all for curb-stomping every entitled bourgeois and illuminist poop
> stain that either preys on children, or enables such sickness to
> continue. Kill them all and let God sort 'em out.
>
> If you molest my kids, you will be getting killed. I would not report
> the rape to the police until after I get the pervert's confession and
> execution on video tape. Then I would turn myself and the tape in to the
> police in open court and dare them to charge me for killing the bastard.
>
> Death to chomos, rapos, and kid fuckers is the only way to go.
>
You seem a tad misogynistic, among other things.
--
Pete
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| Re: Richard Stallman as Seen via the BBS Scene [message #419310 is a reply to message #419304] |
Wed, 22 February 2023 18:14 |
Dan Espen
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Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes:
> On 2023-02-22, Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2023-02-21, Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tuesday, February 21, 2023 at 2:49:16 AM UTC-7, Niklas Karlsson wrote:
>>>
>>>> As opposed to the more moderate approach
>>>> taken by the BSD and MIT licenses, say.
>>>
>>> Ah, yes, then the software is no longer a virus that could contaminate
>>> commercial software, imperiling the integrity of its copyright and
>>> its proprietary nature. Instead, it can be used with abandon, thus making
>>> a constructive contribution to programs like Microsoft Windows.
>>
>> I'm a little unsure of what tone to read your post in. Personally I
>> don't much mind, say, Steve's example of BSD code being used in Windows.
>> There was a time when I might have, but I'm too old and tired (even
>> though I'm a mere whippersnapper by a.f.c standards) and jaded from
>> having to get work done in the Real World to be that idealistic anymore.
>
> As an idealist trying to get by in the Real World, my compromise
> is to try to minimize my contact with Evil Monopolies (Microsoft,
> Google, etc.) while recognizing that I'll never be 100% successful.
> I set a high priority on giving those bastards as little as possible
> that might benefit them.
>
> https://www.jwz.org/xscreensaver/xscreensaver-windows.html
Thanks for reminding me to visit jwz.org.
Every morning xscreensaver presents me with some new image or animation.
I have it kick in after a few hours of idle.
The variety of images and effects is just amazing.
--
Dan Espen
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| Re: Richard Stallman as Seen via the BBS Scene [message #419341 is a reply to message #419310] |
Thu, 23 February 2023 10:57 |
scott
Messages: 4237
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Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> writes:
> Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes:
>
>> On 2023-02-22, Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2023-02-21, Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, February 21, 2023 at 2:49:16 AM UTC-7, Niklas Karlsson wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > As opposed to the more moderate approach
>>>> > taken by the BSD and MIT licenses, say.
>>>>
>>>> Ah, yes, then the software is no longer a virus that could contaminate
>>>> commercial software, imperiling the integrity of its copyright and
>>>> its proprietary nature. Instead, it can be used with abandon, thus making
>>>> a constructive contribution to programs like Microsoft Windows.
>>>
>>> I'm a little unsure of what tone to read your post in. Personally I
>>> don't much mind, say, Steve's example of BSD code being used in Windows.
>>> There was a time when I might have, but I'm too old and tired (even
>>> though I'm a mere whippersnapper by a.f.c standards) and jaded from
>>> having to get work done in the Real World to be that idealistic anymore.
>>
>> As an idealist trying to get by in the Real World, my compromise
>> is to try to minimize my contact with Evil Monopolies (Microsoft,
>> Google, etc.) while recognizing that I'll never be 100% successful.
>> I set a high priority on giving those bastards as little as possible
>> that might benefit them.
>>
>> https://www.jwz.org/xscreensaver/xscreensaver-windows.html
>
> Thanks for reminding me to visit jwz.org.
>
> Every morning xscreensaver presents me with some new image or animation.
> I have it kick in after a few hours of idle.
> The variety of images and effects is just amazing.
Personally, I'd rather put the monitor in power-saving mode.
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| Re: Richard Stallman as Seen via the BBS Scene [message #419344 is a reply to message #419341] |
Thu, 23 February 2023 13:00 |
Dan Espen
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scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) writes:
> Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> writes:
>> Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes:
>>
>>> On 2023-02-22, Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2023-02-21, Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > On Tuesday, February 21, 2023 at 2:49:16 AM UTC-7, Niklas Karlsson wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> As opposed to the more moderate approach
>>>> >> taken by the BSD and MIT licenses, say.
>>>> >
>>>> > Ah, yes, then the software is no longer a virus that could contaminate
>>>> > commercial software, imperiling the integrity of its copyright and
>>>> > its proprietary nature. Instead, it can be used with abandon, thus making
>>>> > a constructive contribution to programs like Microsoft Windows.
>>>>
>>>> I'm a little unsure of what tone to read your post in. Personally I
>>>> don't much mind, say, Steve's example of BSD code being used in Windows.
>>>> There was a time when I might have, but I'm too old and tired (even
>>>> though I'm a mere whippersnapper by a.f.c standards) and jaded from
>>>> having to get work done in the Real World to be that idealistic anymore.
>>>
>>> As an idealist trying to get by in the Real World, my compromise
>>> is to try to minimize my contact with Evil Monopolies (Microsoft,
>>> Google, etc.) while recognizing that I'll never be 100% successful.
>>> I set a high priority on giving those bastards as little as possible
>>> that might benefit them.
>>>
>>> https://www.jwz.org/xscreensaver/xscreensaver-windows.html
>>
>> Thanks for reminding me to visit jwz.org.
>>
>> Every morning xscreensaver presents me with some new image or animation.
>> I have it kick in after a few hours of idle.
>> The variety of images and effects is just amazing.
>
> Personally, I'd rather put the monitor in power-saving mode.
A reasonable choice.
Even though I'm using a 27" 5K monitor, I don't think it's using much
power to stay on all night. The same with the RGB keyboard and mouse.
The USB C hubs bother me more.
So far I haven't found one that doesn't get quite warm.
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Dan Espen
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| Re: Richard Stallman as Seen via the BBS Scene [message #419345 is a reply to message #419344] |
Thu, 23 February 2023 14:22 |
scott
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Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> writes:
> scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) writes:
>>>
>>> Every morning xscreensaver presents me with some new image or animation.
>>> I have it kick in after a few hours of idle.
>>> The variety of images and effects is just amazing.
>>
>> Personally, I'd rather put the monitor in power-saving mode.
>
> A reasonable choice.
>
> Even though I'm using a 27" 5K monitor, I don't think it's using much
> power to stay on all night. The same with the RGB keyboard and mouse.
> The USB C hubs bother me more.
> So far I haven't found one that doesn't get quite warm.
My monitors are older (2x 24" ASUS ProArt PA248), which claim
less than or equal to 45 watts when operating, so that's about 90 w for the two
monitors when on.
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| Re: Richard Stallman as Seen via the BBS Scene [message #419355 is a reply to message #419345] |
Thu, 23 February 2023 18:44 |
Charlie Gibbs
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On 2023-02-23, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
> Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) writes:
>>
>>>
>>>> Every morning xscreensaver presents me with some new image
>>>> or animation. I have it kick in after a few hours of idle.
>>>> The variety of images and effects is just amazing.
Yup. Mine kicks in after 10 minutes. I like the way that
it puts up two separate animations on a two-monitor machine.
>>> Personally, I'd rather put the monitor in power-saving mode.
>>
>> A reasonable choice.
>>
>> Even though I'm using a 27" 5K monitor, I don't think it's using much
>> power to stay on all night. The same with the RGB keyboard and mouse.
>> The USB C hubs bother me more.
>> So far I haven't found one that doesn't get quite warm.
>
> My monitors are older (2x 24" ASUS ProArt PA248), which claim
> less than or equal to 45 watts when operating, so that's about
> 90 w for the two monitors when on.
I just switch my monitors off when I'm not using them,
although I leave the computer running so I can get at
it via the network if I wish (e.g. ssh -X from my laptop).
--
/~\ Charlie Gibbs | Microsoft is a dictatorship.
\ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | Apple is a cult.
X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | Linux is anarchy.
/ \ if you read it the right way. | Pick your poison.
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| Re: Richard Stallman as Seen via the BBS Scene [message #419356 is a reply to message #419334] |
Thu, 23 February 2023 22:06 |
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Originally posted by: Kurt Weiske
To: Dan Espen
Re: Re: Richard Stallman as Seen via the BBS Scene
By: Dan Espen to alt.folklore.computers on Thu Feb 23 2023 10:29 am
DE> Don't know, but I'm writing this reply in Emacs with a black background
DE> and a chartreuse foreground.
I once had a BBS sysop break into chat while I was dialed in and ask me about my color scheme on his BBS. Wanted to know what I was thinking...
It turned out, I had a Hercules "green-scale" monochrome monitor that showed several shades of green and had shaded it to look good on my monitor. I never did find out what it looked like on his end.
kurt weiske | kweiske at realitycheckbbs dot org
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| Re: Richard Stallman as Seen via the BBS Scene [message #419390 is a reply to message #419303] |
Fri, 24 February 2023 17:24 |
Quadibloc
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On Wednesday, February 22, 2023 at 1:16:20 PM UTC-7, Niklas Karlsson wrote:
> On 2023-02-21, Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>> On Tuesday, February 21, 2023 at 2:49:16 AM UTC-7, Niklas Karlsson wrote:
>>> As opposed to the more moderate approach
>>> taken by the BSD and MIT licenses, say.
>>
>> Ah, yes, then the software is no longer a virus that could contaminate
>> commercial software, imperiling the integrity of its copyright and
>> its proprietary nature. Instead, it can be used with abandon, thus making
>> a constructive contribution to programs like Microsoft Windows.
> I'm a little unsure of what tone to read your post in. Personally I
> don't much mind, say, Steve's example of BSD code being used in Windows.
> There was a time when I might have, but I'm too old and tired (even
> though I'm a mere whippersnapper by a.f.c standards) and jaded from
> having to get work done in the Real World to be that idealistic anymore.
There was a famous quote where somebody at Microsoft compared
the GNU license to a computer virus.
I was referencing that, not agreeing with the attitude.
John Savard
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