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Re: Is the Eternal September over [message #416776 is a reply to message #416773] Fri, 23 September 2022 17:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: maus

On 2022-09-23, 5GyYap52yQ1UGMWD <ehj46PkBWfBAng9C@VW28LtWn6wknpUMV.invalid> wrote:
> Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> writes:
>
>> On Fri, 23 Sep 2022 13:56:34 +0800
>> 5GyYap52yQ1UGMWD <ehj46PkBWfBAng9C@VW28LtWn6wknpUMV.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> I agree. It's better to not expose your children to social media at
>>
>> Certainly not at a young age but ...
>>
>>> all. It's just not worth it and you don't even know what they're seeing
>>
>
Another good reason for avoiding Twitter.

>
>> At an appropriate age (not 3 unless they're incredibly precocious
>> in which case get professional help you'll need it before they're 6) show
>> it to them and discuss it - they're going to find it anyway (and probably
>> already have), it's better talked about openly with you than in the school
>> playground or behind the bikesheds.

I remember a thing on `South Park' when a father was explaining to his
children why a lady was being entered by two men.

One thing that the Internet has proved to the world. Give people enough
money, and they will do the most disgusting things.

Against that, I have memories of a clergyman screaming to a
congregation,

``How would you explain to God if you died while looking at a page of a
dirty English Newspaper.''
>>
>
> I think it's better to let the kids ask you about it rather than
> bringing it up on them out of the blue. It also really depends on their
> age when they asked about it. I would explain sex differently to a 6-9
> year old child than to a 13-15 year old kid, for example.
>
Almost as hard a subject as trying to teach them how to drive. Perhaps
the best answer for both is to get a Professional to do the teaching :)

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Re: Is the Eternal September over [message #416780 is a reply to message #416774] Fri, 23 September 2022 19:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: 5GyYap52yQ1UGMWD

Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes:

> 5GyYap52yQ1UGMWD <ehj46PkBWfBAng9C@VW28LtWn6wknpUMV.invalid> wrote:
>> Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> writes:
>>>
>>> Already? I'd assumed FB has another two or three years before becoming
>>> obsolete.
>>
>> I think social media websites in the past few years have been slowly
>> moving towards a more streamlined and "viral-focused" platforms. I mean,
>> just look at tiktok and how it's just an endless stream of autoplaying
>> videos.
>>
>
> Instead of what it was before?

What do you mean? I think social media websites between 2009 and 2013
are more benign than what they are today. Now, it's just designed to
induce a massive flame war about whatever trending topic between two
extremely polarized sides.

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Re: Is the Eternal September over [message #416781 is a reply to message #416772] Fri, 23 September 2022 19:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: 5GyYap52yQ1UGMWD

Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> writes:

> On 23 Sep 2022 13:27:01 GMT
> maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
>
>> On 2022-09-23, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 23 Sep 2022 13:56:34 +0800
>>> 5GyYap52yQ1UGMWD <ehj46PkBWfBAng9C@VW28LtWn6wknpUMV.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>> home wanting company), they stopped for a while outside the window
>>> display of a sex shop which was probably an interesting conversation.
>>>
>>
>> I would regard bringing children to those places as being at least
>> unwise.
>
> When they start asking questions and are old enough to comprehend
> the answers honesty and completeness are the best policies IMHO.
>
>> One couple took away a child's smartphone and sent him to his
>> room, and found him later hanging. It has to be handled carefully.
>
> Yep that's the kind of thing that happens when you exert control
> without understanding. Tragic.

I think the damage has been done even before the parents took away the
smartphone. The kid clearly became addicted and dependent on it. So much
so that he considered and hanged himself.

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Re: Is the Eternal September over [message #416783 is a reply to message #416781] Sat, 24 September 2022 03:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Sat, 24 Sep 2022 07:57:32 +0800
5GyYap52yQ1UGMWD <ehj46PkBWfBAng9C@VW28LtWn6wknpUMV.invalid> wrote:

> Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> writes:
>
>> On 23 Sep 2022 13:27:01 GMT
>> maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
>>
>>> One couple took away a child's smartphone and sent him to his
>>> room, and found him later hanging. It has to be handled carefully.
>>
>> Yep that's the kind of thing that happens when you exert control
>> without understanding. Tragic.
>
> I think the damage has been done even before the parents took away the
> smartphone. The kid clearly became addicted and dependent on it. So much
> so that he considered and hanged himself.

Precisely, removing it was control without understanding. Letting
it happen was something else.

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Re: Is the Eternal September over [message #416794 is a reply to message #416776] Sat, 24 September 2022 21:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: 5GyYap52yQ1UGMWD

maus <maus@dmaus.org> writes:

> On 2022-09-23, 5GyYap52yQ1UGMWD <ehj46PkBWfBAng9C@VW28LtWn6wknpUMV.invalid> wrote:
>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> writes:
>>
>>> On Fri, 23 Sep 2022 13:56:34 +0800
>>> 5GyYap52yQ1UGMWD <ehj46PkBWfBAng9C@VW28LtWn6wknpUMV.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I agree. It's better to not expose your children to social media at
>>>
>>> Certainly not at a young age but ...
>>>
>>>> all. It's just not worth it and you don't even know what they're
>>>> seeing
>>>
>>
> Another good reason for avoiding Twitter.
>

Yeah, Twitter is a cesspool of unpleasant things. I think the only
reason why people stuck with it is sunk cost fallacy and it has a
massive network effect with other people.

>>
>>> At an appropriate age (not 3 unless they're incredibly
>>> precocious in which case get professional help you'll need it before
>>> they're 6) show it to them and discuss it - they're going to find it
>>> anyway (and probably already have), it's better talked about openly
>>> with you than in the school playground or behind the bikesheds.
>
> I remember a thing on `South Park' when a father was explaining to his
> children why a lady was being entered by two men.
>
> One thing that the Internet has proved to the world. Give people
> enough money, and they will do the most disgusting things.
>

I agree.

> Against that, I have memories of a clergyman screaming to a
> congregation,
>
> ``How would you explain to God if you died while looking at a page of
> a dirty English Newspaper.''

What is interesting is that it seems, to me, that whatever we're
experiencing now are just variations of the same general thing. It
happened before with newspapers, and it's happening now with the
internet. If society is able to move past the internet and to neural
chips (no thanks), then I presume the same degenerate things will happen
there.

>>>
>>
>> I think it's better to let the kids ask you about it rather than
>> bringing it up on them out of the blue. It also really depends on
>> their age when they asked about it. I would explain sex differently
>> to a 6-9 year old child than to a 13-15 year old kid, for example.
>>
> Almost as hard a subject as trying to teach them how to drive. Perhaps
> the best answer for both is to get a Professional to do the teaching
> :)

I guess? When I was learning how to drive, the first person that
introduced me to it was my father. We just went slow and he got me
started into the jive of actually driving a car. After that, I had to go
to an actual driving school but I'm glad that my father was able to give
me an initial head start with it.

While professional help is useful, I still think having your family to
guide you in unknown things is a good thing. Even if for just getting
the conversation started.

--
Pointless meanderings in a bleak and lonely world.
Re: Is the Eternal September over [message #416798 is a reply to message #416794] Sun, 25 September 2022 03:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: maus

On 2022-09-25, 5GyYap52yQ1UGMWD <ehj46PkBWfBAng9C@VW28LtWn6wknpUMV.invalid> wrote:
> maus <maus@dmaus.org> writes:
>
>> On 2022-09-23, 5GyYap52yQ1UGMWD <ehj46PkBWfBAng9C@VW28LtWn6wknpUMV.invalid> wrote:
>>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> writes:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 23 Sep 2022 13:56:34 +0800
>>>> 5GyYap52yQ1UGMWD <ehj46PkBWfBAng9C@VW28LtWn6wknpUMV.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > I agree. It's better to not expose your children to social media at
>>>>
>>>> Certainly not at a young age but ...
>>>>
>>>> > all. It's just not worth it and you don't even know what they're
>>>> > seeing
>>>>
>>>
>> Another good reason for avoiding Twitter.
>>
>
> Yeah, Twitter is a cesspool of unpleasant things. I think the only
> reason why people stuck with it is sunk cost fallacy and it has a
> massive network effect with other people.
>
>>>
>
> What is interesting is that it seems, to me, that whatever we're
> experiencing now are just variations of the same general thing. It
> happened before with newspapers, and it's happening now with the
> internet. If society is able to move past the internet and to neural
> chips (no thanks), then I presume the same degenerate things will happen
> there.
>

It has been pointed out often that the most important organ for sex is
the human brain, I am _Not_ going to let them stick anything inside my
head.

I did once and have regretted it for the last 50 years.

>>>>
>>>
>>> I think it's better to let the kids ask you about it rather than
>>> bringing it up on them out of the blue. It also really depends on
>>> their age when they asked about it. I would explain sex differently
>>> to a 6-9 year old child than to a 13-15 year old kid, for example.
>>>
>> Almost as hard a subject as trying to teach them how to drive. Perhaps
>> the best answer for both is to get a Professional to do the teaching
>> :)
>
> I guess? When I was learning how to drive, the first person that
> introduced me to it was my father. We just went slow and he got me
> started into the jive of actually driving a car. After that, I had to go
> to an actual driving school but I'm glad that my father was able to give
> me an initial head start with it.

I live in a rural area that is being rapidly urbanized. Lots of space to
make mistakes, as we all do.

All my children are better educated than I, so its easy for them to
be arrogant, until they come to a road junction at night and turn off
the lights instead of dipping them. :)


>
> While professional help is useful, I still think having your family to
> guide you in unknown things is a good thing. Even if for just getting
> the conversation started.
>

I don't know about that. I could not imagine discussing all that with my
Mother. Maybe is a Catholic childhood.



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Re: Is the Eternal September over [message #416800 is a reply to message #416794] Sun, 25 September 2022 07:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Carlos E.R.

On 2022-09-25 03:30, 5GyYap52yQ1UGMWD wrote:
> maus <maus@dmaus.org> writes:
>
>> On 2022-09-23, 5GyYap52yQ1UGMWD <ehj46PkBWfBAng9C@VW28LtWn6wknpUMV.invalid> wrote:
>>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> writes:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 23 Sep 2022 13:56:34 +0800
>>>> 5GyYap52yQ1UGMWD <ehj46PkBWfBAng9C@VW28LtWn6wknpUMV.invalid> wrote:

...


>>> I think it's better to let the kids ask you about it rather than
>>> bringing it up on them out of the blue. It also really depends on
>>> their age when they asked about it. I would explain sex differently
>>> to a 6-9 year old child than to a 13-15 year old kid, for example.
>>>
>> Almost as hard a subject as trying to teach them how to drive. Perhaps
>> the best answer for both is to get a Professional to do the teaching
>> :)
>
> I guess? When I was learning how to drive, the first person that
> introduced me to it was my father. We just went slow and he got me
> started into the jive of actually driving a car. After that, I had to go
> to an actual driving school but I'm glad that my father was able to give
> me an initial head start with it.
>
> While professional help is useful, I still think having your family to
> guide you in unknown things is a good thing. Even if for just getting
> the conversation started.

Some people are not good when teaching their own family. My father, for
instance. He tried to teach my mother do drive, and they both got very
nervous. She learnt with a profesional, then. So did I.

Also parents, as any grown up, has "manias" or "defects" when driving
which they may pass on the next generation. A professional normally doesn't.

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Cheers, Carlos.
Re: Is the Eternal September over [message #416801 is a reply to message #416798] Sun, 25 September 2022 04:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: 5GyYap52yQ1UGMWD

maus <maus@dmaus.org> writes:

> On 2022-09-25, 5GyYap52yQ1UGMWD <ehj46PkBWfBAng9C@VW28LtWn6wknpUMV.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, Twitter is a cesspool of unpleasant things. I think the only
>> reason why people stuck with it is sunk cost fallacy and it has a
>> massive network effect with other people.
>>
>>
>> What is interesting is that it seems, to me, that whatever we're
>> experiencing now are just variations of the same general thing. It
>> happened before with newspapers, and it's happening now with the
>> internet. If society is able to move past the internet and to neural
>> chips (no thanks), then I presume the same degenerate things will
>> happen there.
>>
>
> It has been pointed out often that the most important organ for sex is
> the human brain, I am _Not_ going to let them stick anything inside my
> head.
>

I agree. It's the last private space in my entire existence and I don't
like that space to be pilfered and defiled by external entities.

> I did once and have regretted it for the last 50 years.
>

What happened? Were you a patient of one of those deep brain stimulation
therapies?

>>
>> I guess? When I was learning how to drive, the first person that
>> introduced me to it was my father. We just went slow and he got me
>> started into the jive of actually driving a car. After that, I had to
>> go to an actual driving school but I'm glad that my father was able
>> to give me an initial head start with it.
>
> I live in a rural area that is being rapidly urbanized. Lots of space
> to make mistakes, as we all do.
>
> All my children are better educated than I, so its easy for them to be
> arrogant, until they come to a road junction at night and turn off the
> lights instead of dipping them. :)
>
>

Yeah. I agree, knowledge without wisdom can often lead to arrogance and
mistakes. I wish I learned that sooner rather than later, haha!

>>
>> While professional help is useful, I still think having your family
>> to guide you in unknown things is a good thing. Even if for just
>> getting the conversation started.
>>
>
> I don't know about that. I could not imagine discussing all that with
> my Mother. Maybe is a Catholic childhood.

I've grown up in a Catholic home as well, but not as devout as some of
my peers. We haven't talked about these kind of things at home since,
well, it's inappropriate. But I think I would appreciate being able to
ask these things, even in a roundabout and non-direct way, rather than
being left on my own (or worse, finding degenerate people) to learn
about it.

--
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Re: Is the Eternal September over [message #416804 is a reply to message #416801] Sun, 25 September 2022 11:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: maus

On 2022-09-25, 5GyYap52yQ1UGMWD <ehj46PkBWfBAng9C@VW28LtWn6wknpUMV.invalid> wrote:
> maus <maus@dmaus.org> writes:
>
>> On 2022-09-25, 5GyYap52yQ1UGMWD <ehj46PkBWfBAng9C@VW28LtWn6wknpUMV.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>> Yeah, Twitter is a cesspool of unpleasant things. I think the only
>>> reason why people stuck with it is sunk cost fallacy and it has a
>>> massive network effect with other people.
>>>
>>>
>>> What is interesting is that it seems, to me, that whatever we're
>>> experiencing now are just variations of the same general thing. It
>>> happened before with newspapers, and it's happening now with the
>>> internet. If society is able to move past the internet and to neural
>>> chips (no thanks), then I presume the same degenerate things will
>>> happen there.
>>>
>>
>> It has been pointed out often that the most important organ for sex is
>> the human brain, I am _Not_ going to let them stick anything inside my
>> head.
>>
>
> I agree. It's the last private space in my entire existence and I don't
> like that space to be pilfered and defiled by external entities.
>
>> I did once and have regretted it for the last 50 years.
>>
>
> What happened? Were you a patient of one of those deep brain stimulation
> therapies?


I would rather not say, a practice popular at the time (1962), but it lead
to surprises a couple of years ago when they tried to do a body scan on
me for a different reason. The machine gave a few beeps and stopped. Who
ever designed the machine was wiser than the ones that were operating it
that day, and had ignored the checklist that had in it `reason that the
scan should not be used on this patient.

What could have happened if the scan had gone ahead?. According to the
nurse that had ignored the warning, it would have pulled some metal out
of the side of my head.

The metal question is there because many people have metal plates put
into their skulls after brain injuries, and forget about that after a
few years.

Now, you know more about me than I remember. I am the guy who keeps
setting off beeps at entry to airports.

>>>
>>> I guess? When I was learning how to drive, the first person that
>>> introduced me to it was my father. We just went slow and he got me
>>> started into the jive of actually driving a car. After that, I had to
>>> go to an actual driving school but I'm glad that my father was able
>>> to give me an initial head start with it.
>>
>> I live in a rural area that is being rapidly urbanized. Lots of space
>> to make mistakes, as we all do.
>>
>> All my children are better educated than I, so its easy for them to be
>> arrogant, until they come to a road junction at night and turn off the
>> lights instead of dipping them. :)
>>
>>
>
> Yeah. I agree, knowledge without wisdom can often lead to arrogance and
> mistakes. I wish I learned that sooner rather than later, haha!
>
>>>
>>> While professional help is useful, I still think having your family
>>> to guide you in unknown things is a good thing. Even if for just
>>> getting the conversation started.
>>>
>>
>> I don't know about that. I could not imagine discussing all that with
>> my Mother. Maybe is a Catholic childhood.
>
> I've grown up in a Catholic home as well, but not as devout as some of
> my peers. We haven't talked about these kind of things at home since,
> well, it's inappropriate. But I think I would appreciate being able to
> ask these things, even in a roundabout and non-direct way, rather than
> being left on my own (or worse, finding degenerate people) to learn
> about it.
>


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Re: Is the Eternal September over [message #416806 is a reply to message #416794] Sun, 25 September 2022 14:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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5GyYap52yQ1UGMWD <ehj46PkBWfBAng9C@VW28LtWn6wknpUMV.invalid> writes:
> maus <maus@dmaus.org> writes:
>
>> On 2022-09-23, 5GyYap52yQ1UGMWD <ehj46PkBWfBAng9C@VW28LtWn6wknpUMV.invalid> wrote:
>>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> writes:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 23 Sep 2022 13:56:34 +0800
>>>> 5GyYap52yQ1UGMWD <ehj46PkBWfBAng9C@VW28LtWn6wknpUMV.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > I agree. It's better to not expose your children to social media at
>>>>
>>>> Certainly not at a young age but ...
>>>>
>>>> > all. It's just not worth it and you don't even know what they're
>>>> > seeing
>>>>
>>>
>> Another good reason for avoiding Twitter.
>>
>
> Yeah, Twitter is a cesspool of unpleasant things.

The root word of twitter, is, after all, twit.
Re: Is the Eternal September over [message #416808 is a reply to message #416806] Sun, 25 September 2022 14:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 18:12:02 GMT
scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote:

> 5GyYap52yQ1UGMWD <ehj46PkBWfBAng9C@VW28LtWn6wknpUMV.invalid> writes:

>> Yeah, Twitter is a cesspool of unpleasant things.
>
> The root word of twitter, is, after all, twit.

I always thought it a portmanteau of twit and witter since it seems
to be full of wittering twits.

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Re: Is the Eternal September over [message #416811 is a reply to message #416794] Sun, 25 September 2022 15:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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5GyYap52yQ1UGMWD <ehj46PkBWfBAng9C@VW28LtWn6wknpUMV.invalid> wrote:
> maus <maus@dmaus.org> writes:
>
>> On 2022-09-23, 5GyYap52yQ1UGMWD <ehj46PkBWfBAng9C@VW28LtWn6wknpUMV.invalid> wrote:
>>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> writes:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 23 Sep 2022 13:56:34 +0800
>>>> 5GyYap52yQ1UGMWD <ehj46PkBWfBAng9C@VW28LtWn6wknpUMV.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > I agree. It's better to not expose your children to social media at
>>>>
>>>> Certainly not at a young age but ...
>>>>
>>>> > all. It's just not worth it and you don't even know what they're
>>>> > seeing
>>>>
>>>
>> Another good reason for avoiding Twitter.
>>
>
> Yeah, Twitter is a cesspool of unpleasant things. I think the only
> reason why people stuck with it is sunk cost fallacy and it has a
> massive network effect with other people.

I was on twitter until I wished some unpleasant things on Russian soldiers
in Ukraine and got cancelled. I don’t feel like I’m missing much, though.

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Re: Is the Eternal September over [message #416812 is a reply to message #416798] Sun, 25 September 2022 15:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
> On 2022-09-25, 5GyYap52yQ1UGMWD <ehj46PkBWfBAng9C@VW28LtWn6wknpUMV.invalid> wrote:
>> maus <maus@dmaus.org> writes:
>>
>>> On 2022-09-23, 5GyYap52yQ1UGMWD <ehj46PkBWfBAng9C@VW28LtWn6wknpUMV.invalid> wrote:
>>>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> writes:
>>>>
>>>> > On Fri, 23 Sep 2022 13:56:34 +0800
>>>> > 5GyYap52yQ1UGMWD <ehj46PkBWfBAng9C@VW28LtWn6wknpUMV.invalid> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> I agree. It's better to not expose your children to social media at
>>>> >
>>>> > Certainly not at a young age but ...
>>>> >
>>>> >> all. It's just not worth it and you don't even know what they're
>>>> >> seeing
>>>> >
>>>>
>>> Another good reason for avoiding Twitter.
>>>
>>
>> Yeah, Twitter is a cesspool of unpleasant things. I think the only
>> reason why people stuck with it is sunk cost fallacy and it has a
>> massive network effect with other people.
>>
>>>>
>>
>> What is interesting is that it seems, to me, that whatever we're
>> experiencing now are just variations of the same general thing. It
>> happened before with newspapers, and it's happening now with the
>> internet. If society is able to move past the internet and to neural
>> chips (no thanks), then I presume the same degenerate things will happen
>> there.
>>
>
> It has been pointed out often that the most important organ for sex is
> the human brain, I am _Not_ going to let them stick anything inside my
> head.
>
> I did once and have regretted it for the last 50 years.
>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> I think it's better to let the kids ask you about it rather than
>>>> bringing it up on them out of the blue. It also really depends on
>>>> their age when they asked about it. I would explain sex differently
>>>> to a 6-9 year old child than to a 13-15 year old kid, for example.
>>>>
>>> Almost as hard a subject as trying to teach them how to drive. Perhaps
>>> the best answer for both is to get a Professional to do the teaching
>>> :)
>>
>> I guess? When I was learning how to drive, the first person that
>> introduced me to it was my father. We just went slow and he got me
>> started into the jive of actually driving a car. After that, I had to go
>> to an actual driving school but I'm glad that my father was able to give
>> me an initial head start with it.
>
> I live in a rural area that is being rapidly urbanized. Lots of space to
> make mistakes, as we all do.
>
> All my children are better educated than I, so its easy for them to
> be arrogant, until they come to a road junction at night and turn off
> the lights instead of dipping them. :)
>
>
>>
>> While professional help is useful, I still think having your family to
>> guide you in unknown things is a good thing. Even if for just getting
>> the conversation started.
>>
>
> I don't know about that. I could not imagine discussing all that with my
> Mother. Maybe is a Catholic childhood.
>

Same. My mother found my copy of Fanny Hill, but she never said a word, it
just quietly disappeared.

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Re: Is the Eternal September over [message #416822 is a reply to message #416736] Mon, 26 September 2022 03:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Charles Richmond is currently offline  Charles Richmond
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On 9/21/2022 11:53 AM, Peter Flass wrote:
> Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
>> Ray <ray@rays-dell.null> writes:
>>> Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> writes:
>>
>>>> Already? I'd assumed FB has another two or three years before becoming
>>>> obsolete.
>>>
>>> Excuse me jumping in:
>>>
>>> Redundant Faceache? I hope not. My 3 year old Great Granddaughter has
>>> just started messaging me, under the watchful eyes of her mum. :}
>>
>> There will always be email. Don't get a 3yo hooked on social media.
>>
>
> Email??? That’s so 20th century. “You mean I have to type words???? No
> emojis???? Ewww.”
>

Things happen much faster today. Now you say "That was so 15 seconds
ago!'

Reminds me of the ValGol language. So the loop is

for i about 1 to oh say 15...

Error message: "Like, man, I just can't deal with that..."
;-)

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Re: Is the Eternal September over [message #416825 is a reply to message #416822] Mon, 26 September 2022 11:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Charlie Gibbs is currently offline  Charlie Gibbs
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On 2022-09-26, Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> wrote:

> On 9/21/2022 11:53 AM, Peter Flass wrote:
>
>> Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
>>
>>> Ray <ray@rays-dell.null> writes:
>>>
>>>> Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> writes:
>>>>
>>>> > Already? I'd assumed FB has another two or three years before becoming
>>>> > obsolete.
>>>>
>>>> Excuse me jumping in:
>>>>
>>>> Redundant Faceache? I hope not. My 3 year old Great Granddaughter has
>>>> just started messaging me, under the watchful eyes of her mum. :}
>>>
>>> There will always be email. Don't get a 3yo hooked on social media.
>>
>> Email??? That’s so 20th century. “You mean I have to type words???? No
>> emojis???? Ewww.”
>
> Things happen much faster today. Now you say "That was so 15 seconds
> ago!'

I haven't made it quite that far yet. I'm still at:
"Ooooh, that's so last week!"

> Reminds me of the ValGol language. So the loop is
>
> for i about 1 to oh say 15...
>
> Error message: "Like, man, I just can't deal with that..."
> ;-)

if(foo == (grody ** max))
error("Gag me with a spoon!");

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Re: Is the Eternal September over [message #416826 is a reply to message #416804] Mon, 26 September 2022 11:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Anonymous
Karma:
Originally posted by: Carlos E.R.

On 2022-09-25 17:23, maus wrote:
> On 2022-09-25, 5GyYap52yQ1UGMWD <ehj46PkBWfBAng9C@VW28LtWn6wknpUMV.invalid> wrote:
>> maus <maus@dmaus.org> writes:
>>
>>> On 2022-09-25, 5GyYap52yQ1UGMWD <ehj46PkBWfBAng9C@VW28LtWn6wknpUMV.invalid> wrote:

...

> I would rather not say, a practice popular at the time (1962), but it lead
> to surprises a couple of years ago when they tried to do a body scan on
> me for a different reason. The machine gave a few beeps and stopped. Who
> ever designed the machine was wiser than the ones that were operating it
> that day, and had ignored the checklist that had in it `reason that the
> scan should not be used on this patient.
>
> What could have happened if the scan had gone ahead?. According to the
> nurse that had ignored the warning, it would have pulled some metal out
> of the side of my head.

Maybe the staff knew that the machine, being modern enough, detects the
metal and stops, so that it is safe to not know there is metal in the body.

They did a scan of my head; I asked about my teeth, I have a bit of gold
and a tiny screw or two. They said it was not a problem.

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Re: Is the Eternal September over [message #416832 is a reply to message #416826] Tue, 27 September 2022 12:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Charlie Gibbs is currently offline  Charlie Gibbs
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On 2022-09-26, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

> On 2022-09-25 17:23, maus wrote:
>
>> I would rather not say, a practice popular at the time (1962), but it lead
>> to surprises a couple of years ago when they tried to do a body scan on
>> me for a different reason. The machine gave a few beeps and stopped. Who
>> ever designed the machine was wiser than the ones that were operating it
>> that day, and had ignored the checklist that had in it `reason that the
>> scan should not be used on this patient.
>>
>> What could have happened if the scan had gone ahead?. According to the
>> nurse that had ignored the warning, it would have pulled some metal out
>> of the side of my head.
>
> Maybe the staff knew that the machine, being modern enough, detects the
> metal and stops, so that it is safe to not know there is metal in the body.

Let's hear it for ignorance. :-p

I heard a story about a vocational school instructor demonstrating a
nail gun. He pointed out that it had an interlock that wouldn't let
it fire unless it was pressed hard against something. To demonstrate,
he held it up near his head (but not touching) and squeezed the trigger.
The interlock failed and the gun shot a nail into his head, with
fatal results. The students learned an unexpected but valuable lesson.

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Re: Is the Eternal September over [message #416844 is a reply to message #416746] Thu, 29 September 2022 07:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Harry Vaderchi is currently offline  Harry Vaderchi
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On Thu, 22 Sep 2022 13:05:12 +0200
"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

> On 2022-09-22 06:26, Dave Garland wrote:
>> On 9/21/2022 11:53 AM, Peter Flass wrote:
>>> Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
>>>> Ray  <ray@rays-dell.null> writes:
>>>> > Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> writes:
>>>>
>>>> >> Already? I'd assumed FB has another two or three years before becoming
>>>> >> obsolete.
>>>> >
>>>> > Excuse me jumping in:
>>>> >
>>>> > Redundant Faceache? I hope not. My 3 year old Great Granddaughter has
>>>> > just started messaging me, under the watchful eyes of her mum. :}
>>>>
>>>> There will always be email.  Don't get a 3yo hooked on social media.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Email??? That’s so 20th century. “You mean I have to type words???? No
>>> emojis???? Ewww.”
>>
>> I think you'll find that some email programs can do emojis. At this
>> point, maybe most of them, if they're web-based. Today's youth, you
>> know, they've been going to the dogs since Roman times.
>
> Even Usenet. They are just letters in unicode.
>
>
> U+1F60x 😀 😁 😂 😃 😄 😅 😆 😇 😈 😉 😊 😋 😌 😍 😎 😏
> U+1F61x 😐 😑 😒 😓 😔 😕 😖 😗 😘 😙 😚 😛 😜 😝 😞 😟
> U+1F62x 😠 😡 😢 😣 😤 😥 😦 😧 😨 😩 😪 😫 😬 😭 😮 😯
> U+1F63x 😰 😱 😲 😳 😴 😵 😶 😷 😸 😹 😺 😻 😼 😽 😾 😿
> U+1F64x 🙀 🙁 🙂 🙃 🙄 🙅 🙆 🙇 🙈 🙉 🙊 🙋 🙌 🙍 🙎 🙏
> U+1F68x 🚀 🚁 🚂 🚃 🚄 🚅 🚆 🚇 🚈 🚉 🚊 🚋 🚌 🚍 🚎 🚏
> U+1F69x 🚐 🚑 🚒 🚓 🚔 🚕 🚖 🚗 🚘 🚙 🚚 🚛 🚜 🚝 🚞 🚟
> U+1F6Ax 🚠 🚡 🚢 🚣 🚤 🚥 🚦 🚧 🚨 🚩 🚪 🚫 🚬 🚭 🚮 🚯
> U+1F6Bx 🚰 🚱 🚲 🚳 🚴 🚵 🚶 🚷 🚸 🚹 🚺 🚻 🚼 🚽 🚾 🚿
>
> (pasted from https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emoji)
>

It's all four-dot cube faces to me!

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Re: Is the Eternal September over [message #416850 is a reply to message #416844] Thu, 29 September 2022 20:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Anonymous
Karma:
Originally posted by: Matthew Ernisse

On Thu, 29 Sep 2022 12:49:21 +0100, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Sep 2022 13:05:12 +0200
> "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 2022-09-22 06:26, Dave Garland wrote:

[ snip ]

>> Even Usenet. They are just letters in unicode.
>>
>>
>> U+1F60x 😀 😁 😂 😃 😄 😅 😆 😇 😈 😉 😊 😋 😌 😍 😎 😏
>> U+1F61x 😐 😑 😒 😓 😔 😕 😖 😗 😘 😙 😚 😛 😜 😝 😞 😟
>> U+1F62x 😠 😡 😢 😣 😤 😥 😦 😧 😨 😩 😪 😫 😬 😭 😮 😯
>> U+1F63x 😰 😱 😲 😳 😴 😵 😶 😷 😸 😹 😺 😻 😼 😽 😾 😿
>> U+1F64x 🙀 🙁 🙂 🙃 🙄 🙅 🙆 🙇 🙈 🙉 🙊 🙋 🙌 🙍 🙎 🙏
>> U+1F68x 🚀 🚁 🚂 🚃 🚄 🚅 🚆 🚇 🚈 🚉 🚊 🚋 🚌 🚍 🚎 🚏
>> U+1F69x 🚐 🚑 🚒 🚓 🚔 🚕 🚖 🚗 🚘 🚙 🚚 🚛 🚜 🚝 🚞 🚟
>> U+1F6Ax 🚠 🚡 🚢 🚣 🚤 🚥 🚦 🚧 🚨 🚩 🚪 🚫 🚬 🚭 🚮 🚯
>> U+1F6Bx 🚰 🚱 🚲 🚳 🚴 🚵 🚶 🚷 🚸 🚹 🚺 🚻 🚼 🚽 🚾 🚿
>>
>> (pasted from https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emoji)
>>
>
> It's all four-dot cube faces to me!

I suspect that is likely down to your system fonts. The quoted emojis
render quite nicely for me in a terminal on macOS. As far as e-mail goes
emojis render in almost any desktop MUA I've used in the last decade
including mutt and Outlook.

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Re: Is the Eternal September over [message #417013 is a reply to message #416471] Sun, 16 October 2022 15:33 Go to previous message
Anonymous
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Originally posted by: Rink

Op 3-9-2022 om 22:54 schreef Andreas Kohlbach:
> On Sat, 3 Sep 2022 01:38:52 -0000 (UTC), lunchboxhero wrote:
>>
>> Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Some say, that the social platform hype levels out around 2025.
>>
>> This is interesting, do you remember where you’ve seen this?
>
> Yes, in a video Explaining The Future
> <https://www.youtube.com/c/ExplainingTheFuture/videos> (chap from the
> UK), but I cannot remember which of these (just pre-watched some but
> couldn't find it, sorry). Probably from around 2018.
>
> It was about the development of computers since the 1980s and a
> prediction of the future. The 80s saw personalized computing to reach the
> mainstream, the 90s networking with emerging internet access, the 00s was
> all about internet and e-commerce, 10s about social platforms (and
> predicted to have fizzled out by 2025). Prediction for the future then
> went into computer implants and cybernetics.
>
> He wrote books in the 80s and 90s where he predicted later decades, and
> usually hit the nail.
>
> F'up2 afc.
>


Is the video you are looking for in his other YouTube channel?

Explaining Computers
https://www.youtube.com/c/explainingcomputers/videos

maybe this video?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sewt2pqc3us

Rink
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