| Re: Why the Soviet computer failed [message #416177 is a reply to message #415669] |
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Originally posted by: maus
On 2022-08-16, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
> On 16 Aug 2022 07:03:56 GMT, maus wrote:
>>
>> On 2022-08-16, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 15 Aug 2022 09:20:57 -0500, D.J. wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, 15 Aug 2022 07:44:45 -0400, Andreas Kohlbach
>>>> >
>>>> >The (Berlin) wall itself was amazing itself. There is an interesting
>>>> >video from about 2009 using CGI, showing what it would be like if you
>>>> >would enter the death strip, plus giving a good history lessons.
>>>> >
>>>> >If anyone is interested I try to locate it.
>>>>
>>>> On Science Channel there is a program named 'What on Earth ?'. One of
>>>> the episodes shows a preserved part of the death zone and the wall.
>>>
>>> The video is called "Walled In" at
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwQsTzGkbiY> and runs 11 minutes. For
>>> those interested what afford the GDR did to keep their citizens in.
>>
>> Not the first Berlin wall, in Frederick's time there was a wall around Berlin
>> that controlled who entered and left the city, so the famous story about
>> the King scanning the list of who entered and left the city that day,
>> and finding Papa Bach's name on it.
>
> Frederick's? Hard to search for it as by chance there is an author
I was referring to the king of Prussia. The story is well known.
> Frederick Taylor, who wrote a book about the Berlin Wall.
>
>> When I was there, around 05 or so, part of the section around the Gate
>> had chicken wire protecting it from souvanier hunters.
>>
>> It was very amusing at the time that people were leaving Ireland at the
>> time,( one of our periodic down cycles) faster than Ossies were leaving
>> East Germany, yet nobody was noticing.
>
> Berlin was center of the Cold War and thus focus in the eyes of the
> world. If the Soviets would had invaded West-Berlin, Americans would had
> defended, most luckily ending in Worlds War III, with bots sites nuking
^ (both?)
> each other.
>
> One day it was close. Russians wouldn't allow American army personal to
> transit to the east, denying access. Then American tanks rushed to the
> site, with Soviet tanks joining, their barrels standing some 100 feet
> from each other. Every tank driver had their finger on the trigger. One
> "itching" and a shot might have been fired, resulting in a chain
> reaction.
Or so it was said.
>
> Soviet commanders ordered their tanks to inch back, and the American
> followed suite, deescalating a dangerous situation. Americans also get
> access to the eastern part back.
>
> There is some footage documenting that. I can try to find that if anyone
> is interested.
My cousin was in the area, driving (I must emphasise) a US tank. He died
some years ago, reminding us of the king of Kings sad saying as his giant
army crossed to Europe, ``In time, they will all be dead anyway.''
I knew a man who served the US in Korea, When he had a few drinks he
would talk about that, and then tell us.
``If I have any complaint, I can walk into the White house, open the
door, and demand the President do something about it.''
That was then, martin. This is now. Perhaps it is time for a modern
General Yorck to walk through the snow and make peace.
Peace to you all.
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| Re: Why the Soviet computer failed [message #416187 is a reply to message #415669] |
Wed, 17 August 2022 03:20 |
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Originally posted by: maus
On 2022-08-17, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
> On 16 Aug 2022 21:11:11 GMT, maus wrote:
>>
>> On 2022-08-16, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
>>> On 16 Aug 2022 07:03:56 GMT, maus wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 2022-08-16, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > The video is called "Walled In" at
>>>> ><https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwQsTzGkbiY> and runs 11 minutes. For
>>>> > those interested what afford the GDR did to keep their citizens in.
>
> Anybody cared watching? Because no one comments.
>
> Of course Berlin was far away from people in America, so the wall might
> only have brought chilly feelings to those in Germany or Europe. Despite,
> it was literally the Iron Curtain.
History is not a linear process, it is circular, like taking the wrong
train home, and discovering that the hills that were supposed to be to
be on the left are passing on the right. Strain to reach Enlightenment.
>
>>>> Not the first Berlin wall, in Frederick's time there was a wall around Berlin
>>>> that controlled who entered and left the city, so the famous story about
>>>> the King scanning the list of who entered and left the city that day,
>>>> and finding Papa Bach's name on it.
>>>
>>> Frederick's? Hard to search for it as by chance there is an author
>>
>> I was referring to the king of Prussia. The story is well known.
>
> OK. My history knowledge doesn't go back that far.
Godel, Escher,Bach (sp?) by Hoffsteader, or perhaps Hasselhoff :)
>
>>> Frederick Taylor, who wrote a book about the Berlin Wall.
>>>
>>>> When I was there, around 05 or so, part of the section around the Gate
>>>> had chicken wire protecting it from souvanier hunters.
>>>>
>>>> It was very amusing at the time that people were leaving Ireland at the
>>>> time,( one of our periodic down cycles) faster than Ossies were leaving
>>>> East Germany, yet nobody was noticing.
>>>
>>> Berlin was center of the Cold War and thus focus in the eyes of the
>>> world. If the Soviets would had invaded West-Berlin, Americans would had
>>> defended, most luckily ending in Worlds War III, with bots sites nuking
>> ^ (both?)
>>> each other.
>
> Yes, "both". "Bot" was accepted by my spell checker, sorry.
`Bot' is bad at the moment. The world does not end after Sandy Hook.
>
> [...]
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| Re: Why the Soviet computer failed [message #416191 is a reply to message #415669] |
Wed, 17 August 2022 09:35 |
scott
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Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> writes:
> On 16 Aug 2022 21:11:11 GMT, maus wrote:
>>
>> On 2022-08-16, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
>>> On 16 Aug 2022 07:03:56 GMT, maus wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 2022-08-16, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > The video is called "Walled In" at
>>>> ><https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwQsTzGkbiY> and runs 11 minutes. For
>>>> > those interested what afford the GDR did to keep their citizens in.
>
> Anybody cared watching? Because no one comments.
I suspect folks have other things on their mind right now. For most
people under 40, the cold war is ancient history recorded in textbooks.
>
> Of course Berlin was far away from people in America, so the wall might
> only have brought chilly feelings to those in Germany or Europe. Despite,
> it was literally the Iron Curtain.
It was also thirty years ago, those who lived through those
times aren't interested in reliving them and the younger set
are too interested in ticktock and farcebook.
I do have a couple chunks of the wall - my parents were in Berlin
a week after the wall went down. I've a picture of my father with
a hammer pounding on the wall.
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| Re: Why the Soviet computer failed [message #416192 is a reply to message #416191] |
Wed, 17 August 2022 13:23 |
D.J.
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On Wed, 17 Aug 2022 13:35:18 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:
> Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> writes:
>> On 16 Aug 2022 21:11:11 GMT, maus wrote:
>>>
>>> On 2022-08-16, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
>>>> On 16 Aug 2022 07:03:56 GMT, maus wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > On 2022-08-16, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> The video is called "Walled In" at
>>>> >><https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwQsTzGkbiY> and runs 11 minutes. For
>>>> >> those interested what afford the GDR did to keep their citizens in.
>>
>> Anybody cared watching? Because no one comments.
>
> I suspect folks have other things on their mind right now. For most
> people under 40, the cold war is ancient history recorded in textbooks.
>
>>
>> Of course Berlin was far away from people in America, so the wall might
>> only have brought chilly feelings to those in Germany or Europe. Despite,
>> it was literally the Iron Curtain.
>
> It was also thirty years ago, those who lived through those
> times aren't interested in reliving them and the younger set
> are too interested in ticktock and farcebook.
>
> I do have a couple chunks of the wall - my parents were in Berlin
> a week after the wall went down. I've a picture of my father with
> a hammer pounding on the wall.
I watched the building, and the tearing down, on US television as they
happened.
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| Re: Why the Soviet computer failed [message #416196 is a reply to message #416191] |
Wed, 17 August 2022 15:13 |
Peter Flass
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Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
> Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> writes:
>> On 16 Aug 2022 21:11:11 GMT, maus wrote:
>>>
>>> On 2022-08-16, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
>>>> On 16 Aug 2022 07:03:56 GMT, maus wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > On 2022-08-16, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> The video is called "Walled In" at
>>>> >> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwQsTzGkbiY> and runs 11 minutes. For
>>>> >> those interested what afford the GDR did to keep their citizens in.
>>
>> Anybody cared watching? Because no one comments.
>
> I suspect folks have other things on their mind right now. For most
> people under 40, the cold war is ancient history recorded in textbooks.
>
>>
>> Of course Berlin was far away from people in America, so the wall might
>> only have brought chilly feelings to those in Germany or Europe. Despite,
>> it was literally the Iron Curtain.
>
> It was also thirty years ago, those who lived through those
> times aren't interested in reliving them and the younger set
> are too interested in ticktock and farcebook.
Unfortunately, it looks like those days are back.
>
> I do have a couple chunks of the wall - my parents were in Berlin
> a week after the wall went down. I've a picture of my father with
> a hammer pounding on the wall.
>
I have a chunk too, or at least something that purports to be. At lease, I
have a hunk of concrete and a certificate. Surely people wouldn’t make this
stuff up just to make a buck, would they?
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| Re: Why the Soviet computer failed [message #416197 is a reply to message #416192] |
Wed, 17 August 2022 15:13 |
Peter Flass
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jD.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Aug 2022 13:35:18 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
> wrote:
>> Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> writes:
>>> On 16 Aug 2022 21:11:11 GMT, maus wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 2022-08-16, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
>>>> > On 16 Aug 2022 07:03:56 GMT, maus wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On 2022-08-16, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> The video is called "Walled In" at
>>>> >>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwQsTzGkbiY> and runs 11 minutes. For
>>>> >>> those interested what afford the GDR did to keep their citizens in.
>>>
>>> Anybody cared watching? Because no one comments.
>>
>> I suspect folks have other things on their mind right now. For most
>> people under 40, the cold war is ancient history recorded in textbooks.
>>
>>>
>>> Of course Berlin was far away from people in America, so the wall might
>>> only have brought chilly feelings to those in Germany or Europe. Despite,
>>> it was literally the Iron Curtain.
>>
>> It was also thirty years ago, those who lived through those
>> times aren't interested in reliving them and the younger set
>> are too interested in ticktock and farcebook.
>>
>> I do have a couple chunks of the wall - my parents were in Berlin
>> a week after the wall went down. I've a picture of my father with
>> a hammer pounding on the wall.
>
> I watched the building, and the tearing down, on US television as they
> happened.
> --
> Jim
>
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| Re: Why the Soviet computer failed [message #416198 is a reply to message #416196] |
Wed, 17 August 2022 18:28 |
D.J.
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On Wed, 17 Aug 2022 12:13:51 -0700, Peter Flass
<peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
>> Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> writes:
>>> On 16 Aug 2022 21:11:11 GMT, maus wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 2022-08-16, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
>>>> > On 16 Aug 2022 07:03:56 GMT, maus wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On 2022-08-16, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> The video is called "Walled In" at
>>>> >>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwQsTzGkbiY> and runs 11 minutes. For
>>>> >>> those interested what afford the GDR did to keep their citizens in.
>>>
>>> Anybody cared watching? Because no one comments.
>>
>> I suspect folks have other things on their mind right now. For most
>> people under 40, the cold war is ancient history recorded in textbooks.
>>
>>>
>>> Of course Berlin was far away from people in America, so the wall might
>>> only have brought chilly feelings to those in Germany or Europe. Despite,
>>> it was literally the Iron Curtain.
>>
>> It was also thirty years ago, those who lived through those
>> times aren't interested in reliving them and the younger set
>> are too interested in ticktock and farcebook.
>
> Unfortunately, it looks like those days are back.
>
>>
>> I do have a couple chunks of the wall - my parents were in Berlin
>> a week after the wall went down. I've a picture of my father with
>> a hammer pounding on the wall.
>>
>
> I have a chunk too, or at least something that purports to be. At lease, I
> have a hunk of concrete and a certificate. Surely people wouldnt make this
> stuff up just to make a buck, would they?
If Dogbert can, then other folks can to.
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| Re: Why the Soviet computer failed [message #416201 is a reply to message #416149] |
Wed, 17 August 2022 23:19 |
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On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 1:08:33 AM UTC-6, maus wrote:
> Will the US survive the midterm?
Oh, yes. While it would be helpful if the midterm elections had a
good result, it is not until the 2024 Presidential election that a
wrong result could cause doom to overtake the United States and
the world.
But the United States would still survive the 2024 elections. At least
long enough to reach Inauguration Day.
John Savard
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| Re: Why the Soviet computer failed [message #416202 is a reply to message #416131] |
Wed, 17 August 2022 23:22 |
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On Sunday, August 14, 2022 at 1:52:20 PM UTC-6, maus wrote:
> My Father subscribed to an US magazine called something like `Men Only',
> which had articles proving the USSR space successes were faked. Kinda
> like the recenter claims that the US Moonshots were fake as well.
I read some articles giving evidence that the USSR space missions were
faked; but they weren't in For MEN Only, they were in Science and Mechanics.
Lloyd Mallan was their writer.
John Savard
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| Re: Why the Soviet computer failed [message #416203 is a reply to message #416196] |
Wed, 17 August 2022 23:25 |
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On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 1:13:53 PM UTC-6, Peter Flass wrote:
> I have a chunk too, or at least something that purports to be. At lease, I
> have a hunk of concrete and a certificate. Surely people wouldn’t make this
> stuff up just to make a buck, would they?
There may be ways to tell. There is information available on what the Wall
was made out of.
Now I have visions of pieces of the Berlin Wall becoming like slivers from
the True Cross.
John Savard
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| Re: Why the Soviet computer failed [message #416204 is a reply to message #416202] |
Wed, 17 August 2022 23:28 |
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In <6dec26a7-b033-409c-ae5f-47e8f600c9fdn@googlegroups.com> Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> writes:
> On Sunday, August 14, 2022 at 1:52:20 PM UTC-6, maus wrote:
>> My Father subscribed to an US magazine called something like `Men Only',
>> which had articles proving the USSR space successes were faked. Kinda
>> like the recenter claims that the US Moonshots were fake as well.
> I read some articles giving evidence that the USSR space missions were
> faked; but they weren't in For MEN Only, they were in Science and Mechanics.
> Lloyd Mallan was their writer.
I can confirm that memory about Science and,
Mechanics, probably 1967ish given where I
was living. They had one issue which had that as its
cover story and a bunch of articles inside.
(One of many magazines I wish I had held onto...)
Don't recall the writer...
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| Re: Why the Soviet computer failed [message #416209 is a reply to message #415669] |
Thu, 18 August 2022 03:10 |
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Originally posted by: maus
On 2022-08-18, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Aug 2022 18:56:06 GMT, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>
>> I visited München and Österreich back in the 1970s, myself; One interesting
>> difference between Bayern and Österreich - the hotel I stayed at in
>> Seefeld was playing Hogan's Heroes (subtitled) on the small TV in the common area.
>
> May be by chance.
>
> When I started my duty in the German Armed Forces (Bundeswehr) in 1988,
> they showed Full Metal Jacket. It only by chance had a relation to war,
> as it came out only in 1987.
>
>> However, I have't had time to watch the video link you posted, but it's bookmarked.
>
> Thank you.
>
> I recommend everyone interested in the Cold War and especially Berlin to
> watch just the first minute. If not hooked by then, forget about it.
>
> Here the link again <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwQsTzGkbiY>, which
> only runs eleven minutes.
>
> May be I'm just so obsessed to it, because I lived in Germany at that
> time. And in June 1989 (no one could predict that the wall would come
> down in November the same year) I traveled with the car to West-Berlin.
>
> The West-German customs would just waive you through. The East-Germans
> then would urge you to give them your photo ID (passport), and remove
> (the awesome 80s style) sun glasses to compare with the photo. They put
> it onto a conveyor which moved the document somewhere you had no control
> over. Supposed they wrote down all data in there (scanning technology
> wasn't really around for the East-Germans at that time) and handed it
> back to you at the next station.a
That must be where the Irish State got their ideas on documentation.
I was not in the former GDR until after 2000, but even before that, I
had been warned about dangers in various `countries'. One was about
leaving berlin to drive to drive to west germany, there was a big sign
pointing to `Frankfurt' and in very small writing under it, `an der
oder'
>
> You also had to pay 25 Deutsch-Mark (no joke) and they gave your 25 Mark
> (GDR Mark). Traveling on the East German autobahn for some 90 kilometers
> was odd in itself. You had to take care not to exceed the speed limit or
> you're up for a hefty fine.
>
> On the way back you had to pay another 25 Deutsch-Mark. As you couldn't
> exchange it back in West-Germany to Deutsch-Mark you could try to spend
> as much as possible on a road side restaurant. "Unfortunately" prices
> were so low that you still kept most of it. You could just have burnt it
> in an oven back at home...
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| Re: Why the Soviet computer failed [message #416210 is a reply to message #416202] |
Thu, 18 August 2022 03:13 |
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Originally posted by: maus
On 2022-08-18, Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
> On Sunday, August 14, 2022 at 1:52:20 PM UTC-6, maus wrote:
>
>> My Father subscribed to an US magazine called something like `Men Only',
>> which had articles proving the USSR space successes were faked. Kinda
>> like the recenter claims that the US Moonshots were fake as well.
>
> I read some articles giving evidence that the USSR space missions were
> faked; but they weren't in For MEN Only, they were in Science and Mechanics.
>
> Lloyd Mallan was their writer.
>
> John Savard
That was back in the 1950's. Sometimes I forget what I have eaten for
breakfast !
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| Re: Why the Soviet computer failed [message #416211 is a reply to message #416204] |
Thu, 18 August 2022 03:17 |
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Originally posted by: maus
On 2022-08-18, danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> wrote:
> In <6dec26a7-b033-409c-ae5f-47e8f600c9fdn@googlegroups.com> Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> writes:
>
>> On Sunday, August 14, 2022 at 1:52:20 PM UTC-6, maus wrote:
>
>>> My Father subscribed to an US magazine called something like `Men Only',
>>> which had articles proving the USSR space successes were faked. Kinda
>>> like the recenter claims that the US Moonshots were fake as well.
>
>> I read some articles giving evidence that the USSR space missions were
>> faked; but they weren't in For MEN Only, they were in Science and Mechanics.
>
>> Lloyd Mallan was their writer.
>
> I can confirm that memory about Science and,
> Mechanics, probably 1967ish given where I
> was living. They had one issue which had that as its
> cover story and a bunch of articles inside.
>
> (One of many magazines I wish I had held onto...)
>
> Don't recall the writer...
>
I admit horror at the old couple in NYC that were trapped in their
apartment when the heaps of old newspapers collapsed and they starved to
death. Get rid of it, dump it, it is hard to burn wads of poor quality
paper.
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| Re: Why the Soviet computer failed [message #416212 is a reply to message #416203] |
Thu, 18 August 2022 03:29 |
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Originally posted by: maus
On 2022-08-18, Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 1:13:53 PM UTC-6, Peter Flass wrote:
>
>> I have a chunk too, or at least something that purports to be. At lease, I
>> have a hunk of concrete and a certificate. Surely people wouldn’t make this
>> stuff up just to make a buck, would they?
>
> There may be ways to tell. There is information available on what the Wall
> was made out of.
>
> Now I have visions of pieces of the Berlin Wall becoming like slivers from
> the True Cross.
Very true.
Even Vera Cruz in Mexico. What did they make crosses out of?. St. Helena
started the idea, I read, and from then on, there were relics
everywhere. I was reading recently that a lot of ideas travelled to
Europe during the crusades, like St. George, the patron saint of
England, originally a saint in the East. St. Nicolas of Myra's name
travelled to the west, and so on. I might write a book, or even an
e-book.. Hours later. Was Cadmus a previous idea of St. George. What
name did Achilles use when he lived among the women?. Was the Nazi
computer any good, or who clove the devils foot?.
>
> John Savard
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| Re: Why the Soviet computer failed [message #416220 is a reply to message #415669] |
Thu, 18 August 2022 11:49 |
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On Wed, 17 Aug 2022 20:22:44 -0400, Andreas Kohlbach
<ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Aug 2022 18:56:06 GMT, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>
>> I visited München and Österreich back in the 1970s, myself; One interesting
>> difference between Bayern and Österreich - the hotel I stayed at in
>> Seefeld was playing Hogan's Heroes (subtitled) on the small TV in the common area.
>
> May be by chance.
>
> When I started my duty in the German Armed Forces (Bundeswehr) in 1988,
> they showed Full Metal Jacket. It only by chance had a relation to war,
> as it came out only in 1987.
The ship I was on had 'M.A.S.H. 4077th movie shown. Apparently the
captain thought it was a war movie. But its an ant-Viet Nam movie.
>> However, I have't had time to watch the video link you posted, but it's bookmarked.
>
> Thank you.
>
> I recommend everyone interested in the Cold War and especially Berlin to
> watch just the first minute. If not hooked by then, forget about it.
>
> Here the link again <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwQsTzGkbiY>, which
> only runs eleven minutes.
>
> May be I'm just so obsessed to it, because I lived in Germany at that
> time. And in June 1989 (no one could predict that the wall would come
> down in November the same year) I traveled with the car to West-Berlin.
I know someone who was a driver for the 155 mm howitzer, I think it
was 155mm, that could fire pony nukes.
> The West-German customs would just waive you through. The East-Germans
> then would urge you to give them your photo ID (passport), and remove
> (the awesome 80s style) sun glasses to compare with the photo. They put
> it onto a conveyor which moved the document somewhere you had no control
> over. Supposed they wrote down all data in there (scanning technology
> wasn't really around for the East-Germans at that time) and handed it
> back to you at the next station.
>
> You also had to pay 25 Deutsch-Mark (no joke) and they gave your 25 Mark
> (GDR Mark). Traveling on the East German autobahn for some 90 kilometers
> was odd in itself. You had to take care not to exceed the speed limit or
> you're up for a hefty fine.
>
> On the way back you had to pay another 25 Deutsch-Mark. As you couldn't
> exchange it back in West-Germany to Deutsch-Mark you could try to spend
> as much as possible on a road side restaurant. "Unfortunately" prices
> were so low that you still kept most of it. You could just have burnt it
> in an oven back at home...
When my ship visited the Med, some years there was an exchange rate
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Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
> On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 1:08:33 AM UTC-6, maus wrote:
>
>> Will the US survive the midterm?
>
> Oh, yes. While it would be helpful if the midterm elections had a
> good result, it is not until the 2024 Presidential election that a
> wrong result could cause doom to overtake the United States and
> the world.
>
> But the United States would still survive the 2024 elections. At least
> long enough to reach Inauguration Day.
I’m still hoping for the great wake-up call. If enough trumpy candidates
lose badly, as it looks like Oz is doing in PA and Vance is doing in OH,
then, hopefully, the real Republicans will decide that winning elections is
preferable to pretending loyalty to Der Führer.
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maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
> On 2022-08-18, danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> wrote:
>> In <6dec26a7-b033-409c-ae5f-47e8f600c9fdn@googlegroups.com> Quadibloc
>> <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> writes:
>>
>>> On Sunday, August 14, 2022 at 1:52:20 PM UTC-6, maus wrote:
>>
>>>> My Father subscribed to an US magazine called something like `Men Only',
>>>> which had articles proving the USSR space successes were faked. Kinda
>>>> like the recenter claims that the US Moonshots were fake as well.
>>
>>> I read some articles giving evidence that the USSR space missions were
>>> faked; but they weren't in For MEN Only, they were in Science and Mechanics.
>>
>>> Lloyd Mallan was their writer.
>>
>> I can confirm that memory about Science and,
>> Mechanics, probably 1967ish given where I
>> was living. They had one issue which had that as its
>> cover story and a bunch of articles inside.
>>
>> (One of many magazines I wish I had held onto...)
>>
>> Don't recall the writer...
>>
>
> I admit horror at the old couple in NYC that were trapped in their
> apartment when the heaps of old newspapers collapsed and they starved to
> death. Get rid of it, dump it, it is hard to burn wads of poor quality
> paper.
>
>
We’re starting to see more and more online. Many old issues of Astounding,
for example, are available.
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maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
> On 2022-08-18, Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>> On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 1:13:53 PM UTC-6, Peter Flass wrote:
>>
>>> I have a chunk too, or at least something that purports to be. At lease, I
>>> have a hunk of concrete and a certificate. Surely people wouldn’t make this
>>> stuff up just to make a buck, would they?
>>
>> There may be ways to tell. There is information available on what the Wall
>> was made out of.
>>
>> Now I have visions of pieces of the Berlin Wall becoming like slivers from
>> the True Cross.
>
> Very true.
> Even Vera Cruz in Mexico. What did they make crosses out of?.
Must be like a fungus growing in a vat, where you can continually cut iff
pieces and it regrows. In the Middle Ages a lot of people made good money
by selling “relics.” Churches and monasteries liked to have relics because
they encouraged people to visit (and pay money) in hopes of being cured,
forgiven, or whatever. People liked to go on pilgrimages to visit “holy
sites” like we might now want to go to Canton, OH or Springfield, MA.
> St. Helena
> started the idea, I read, and from then on, there were relics
> everywhere. I was reading recently that a lot of ideas travelled to
> Europe during the crusades, like St. George, the patron saint of
> England, originally a saint in the East. St. Nicolas of Myra's name
> travelled to the west, and so on. I might write a book, or even an
> e-book.. Hours later. Was Cadmus a previous idea of St. George. What
> name did Achilles use when he lived among the women?. Was the Nazi
> computer any good, or who clove the devils foot?.
>
>>
>> John Savard
>
>
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Thu, 18 August 2022 13:17 |
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Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
> Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> writes:
>> On Wed, 17 Aug 2022 12:13:51 -0700, Peter Flass wrote:
>>>
>>> Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It was also thirty years ago, those who lived through those
>>>> times aren't interested in reliving them and the younger set
>>>> are too interested in ticktock and farcebook.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, it looks like those days are back.
>>
>> Agreed. Putin is doing everything to get the Cold War 2.0 back.
>
> Here is a very interesting report on Putin.
>
> https://www.understandingwar.org/report/how-we-got-here-russ ia-kremlins-worldview
>
I always wondered, although it should have been obvious in retrospect, why
Putin always reflexively opposed the US, even in situations where we could
have worked together and had a win-win. Apparently he still fancies Russia
a major power, and wants to pull us down to build himself up. In the
process he’s now turning his country into China’s lapdog.
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| Re: Why the Soviet computer failed [message #416226 is a reply to message #416222] |
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Originally posted by: maus
On 2022-08-18, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
> maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
>> On 2022-08-18, danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> wrote:
>>> In <6dec26a7-b033-409c-ae5f-47e8f600c9fdn@googlegroups.com> Quadibloc
>>> <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> writes:
>>>
>>>> On Sunday, August 14, 2022 at 1:52:20 PM UTC-6, maus wrote:
>>>
>> I admit horror at the old couple in NYC that were trapped in their
>> apartment when the heaps of old newspapers collapsed and they starved to
>> death. Get rid of it, dump it, it is hard to burn wads of poor quality
>> paper.
>>
>>
>
> We’re starting to see more and more online. Many old issues of Astounding,
> for example, are available.
>
My story was about the time that the japanes captured Hong Kong in 1941,
and the british tried to burn the archives, I read that they just had
to abandon them. Try burning wads of old listings, for instance. Then
there was the time that the Ayattolah(sp) took over in Tehran, and the
embassy staff tried to shred the archives. I think the Iranians were
working on restoring stuff for decades after.
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On 18 Aug 2022 20:26:19 GMT, maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
> On 2022-08-18, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
>>> On 2022-08-18, danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> wrote:
>>>> In <6dec26a7-b033-409c-ae5f-47e8f600c9fdn@googlegroups.com> Quadibloc
>>>> <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> writes:
>>>>
>>>> > On Sunday, August 14, 2022 at 1:52:20 PM UTC-6, maus wrote:
>>>>
>>> I admit horror at the old couple in NYC that were trapped in their
>>> apartment when the heaps of old newspapers collapsed and they starved to
>>> death. Get rid of it, dump it, it is hard to burn wads of poor quality
>>> paper.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Were starting to see more and more online. Many old issues of Astounding,
>> for example, are available.
>>
>
> My story was about the time that the japanes captured Hong Kong in 1941,
> and the british tried to burn the archives, I read that they just had
> to abandon them. Try burning wads of old listings, for instance. Then
> there was the time that the Ayattolah(sp) took over in Tehran, and the
> embassy staff tried to shred the archives. I think the Iranians were
> working on restoring stuff for decades after.
The staff used a shredder that cut them into strips, instead of
confetti. The Iranians put them back together.
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Thu, 18 August 2022 19:49 |
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Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes:
> I always wondered, although it should have been obvious in retrospect,
> why Putin always reflexively opposed the US, even in situations where
> we could have worked together and had a win-win. Apparently he still
> fancies Russia a major power, and wants to pull us down to build
> himself up. In the process he’s now turning his country into China’s
> lapdog.
.... there is the theory that Harvard was responsible for the rise of
Putin ... apparently the people that Harvard sent over to teach
capitalism ... were looting the country (and Russia needed somebody,
like Putin to stand up to the looters from the US/Harvard) John Helmer:
Convicted Fraudster Jonathan Hay, Harvard's Man Who Wrecked Russia,
Resurfaces in Ukraine
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2015/02/convicted-fraudster-j onathan-hay-harvards-man-who-wrecked-russia-resurfaces-in-uk raine.html
If you are unfamiliar with this fiasco, which was also the true
proximate cause of Larry Summers' ouster from Harvard, you must read an
extraordinary expose, How Harvard Lost Russia, from Institutional
Investor. I am told copies of this article were stuffed in every Harvard
faculty member's inbox the day Summers got a vote of no confidence and
resigned shortly thereafter.
.... snip ...
How Harvard lost Russia; The best and brightest of America's premier
university came to Moscow in the 1990s to teach Russians how to be
capitalists. This is the inside story of how their efforts led to
scandal and disgrace (gone 404, but lives on at wayback machine)
https://web.archive.org/web/20130211131020/http://www.instit utionalinvestor.com/Article/1020662/How-Harvard-lost-Russia. html
Mostly, they hurt Russia and its hopes of establishing a lasting
framework for a stable Western-style capitalism, as Summers himself
acknowledged when he testified under oath in the U.S. lawsuit in
Cambridge in 2002. "The project was of enormous value," said Summers,
who by then had been installed as the president of Harvard. "Its
cessation was damaging to Russian economic reform and to the
U.S.-Russian relationship."
.... snip ...
trivia: I had gotten asked to help figure out how to do 5,000 banks
across Russia (@$1M, $5B total) as part of making it a Democratic
country, however before it got very far, the US capitalism looting
(kleptocracy) put end to efforts.
consistant with "Economic Hit Man" (and author claiming to have been
recruited in Cambridge)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confessions_of_an_Economic_Hit _Man
https://www.amazon.com/New-Confessions-Economic-Hit-Man-eboo k/dp/B017MZ8EBM/
https://bkconnection.com/books/title/the-new-confessions-of- an-economic-hit-man
this book sort of interleaves Smedley Butler's biography with what US
continues to do around the world; Gangsters of Capitalism (predating
economic hit man to current day)
https://jonathanmkatz.com/gangsters
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2022/01/21/maj-gen-sm edley-butler-marine-hero-who-saw-himself-racketeer-capitalis m/
https://www.c-span.org/video/?517102-1/gangsters-capitalism
https://www.amazon.com/Gangsters-Capitalism-Smedley-Breaking -Americas-ebook/dp/B092T8KT1N/
Smedley Butler was the most celebrated warfighter of his
time. Bestselling books were written about him. Hollywood adored
him. Wherever the flag went, "The Fighting Quaker" went--serving in
nearly every major overseas conflict from the Spanish War of 1898 until
the eve of World War II. From his first days as a 16-year-old recruit at
the newly seized Guantanamo Bay, he blazed a path for empire: helping
annex the Philippines and the land for the Panama Canal, leading troops
in China (twice), and helping invade and occupy Nicaragua, Puerto Rico,
Haiti, Mexico, and more. Yet in retirement, Butler turned into a warrior
against war, imperialism, and big business, declaring: "I was a
racketeer for capitalism."
Award-winning author Jonathan Myerson Katz traveled across the
world--from China to Guantanamo, the mountains of Haiti to the Panama
Canal--and pored over the personal letters of Butler, his fellow
Marines, and his Quaker family on Philadelphia's Main Line. Along the
way, Katz shows how the consequences of the Marines' actions are still
very much alive: talking politics with a Sandinista commander in
Nicaragua, getting a martial arts lesson from a devotee of the Boxer
Rebellion in China, and getting cast as a P.O.W. extra in a Filipino
movie about their American War. Tracing a path from the first wave of
U.S. overseas expansionism to the rise of fascism in the 1930s to the
crises of democracy in our own time, Gangsters of Capitalism tells an
urgent story about a formative era most Americans have never learned
about, but that the rest of the world cannot forget.
.... snip ...
Smedley Butler online
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smedley_Butler
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Is_a_Racket
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_profiteering
Mahan plays prominent role
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Thayer_Mahan
As does Sullivan & Cromwell especially John Foster Dulles (while at
Sullivan & Cromwell) playing major role in rebuilding Germany's economy
and militry during the 20s up through the early 40s.
https://www.amazon.com/Brothers-Foster-Dulles-Allen-Secret-e book/dp/B00BY5QX1K/
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Thu, 18 August 2022 22:58 |
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Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Aug 2022 17:05:55 -0500
> D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> wrote:
>
>> The staff used a shredder that cut them into strips, instead of
>> confetti. The Iranians put them back together.
>
> I have heard of cross-cut shredded material being scanned and
> reassembled with the aid of a computer and some fancy edge matching
> algorithms.
>
This was apparently done entirely by hand, by a bunch of college students.
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Thu, 18 August 2022 23:03 |
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In <1380035000.682570583.203227.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes:
> Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>> On Thu, 18 Aug 2022 17:05:55 -0500
>> D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The staff used a shredder that cut them into strips, instead of
>>> confetti. The Iranians put them back together.
> This was apparently done entirely by hand, by a bunch of college students.
One of the magazines I regret losing was one of the anti-US
publications (don't recall the name, sorry) that the
local commie/leftie/socialist/pinko bookstore carried.
One edition had page after page of these reconstructed
documents, and yes, they were strips that had been
reconstructed by hand.
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| Re: Why the Soviet computer failed [message #416235 is a reply to message #416232] |
Fri, 19 August 2022 02:43 |
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Originally posted by: maus
On 2022-08-19, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>> On Thu, 18 Aug 2022 17:05:55 -0500
>> D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The staff used a shredder that cut them into strips, instead of
>>> confetti. The Iranians put them back together.
>>
>> I have heard of cross-cut shredded material being scanned and
>> reassembled with the aid of a computer and some fancy edge matching
>> algorithms.
>>
>
> This was apparently done entirely by hand, by a bunch of college students.
>
as I remember the story too. The same thing happened when the British
had decided to leave Ireland (1921?) and the Irish rebels tried to
burn the Custom house, to destroy the records telling who was informing on
the rebels.
There were stories about much the same happening in kabul recently
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| Re: Why the Soviet computer failed [message #416236 is a reply to message #416231] |
Fri, 19 August 2022 02:48 |
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Originally posted by: maus
On 2022-08-18, Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> wrote:
> Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes:
>> I always wondered, although it should have been obvious in retrospect,
>> why Putin always reflexively opposed the US, even in situations where
>> we could have worked together and had a win-win. Apparently he still
>> fancies Russia a major power, and wants to pull us down to build
>> himself up. In the process he’s now turning his country into China’s
>> lapdog.
>
> ... there is the theory that Harvard was responsible for the rise of
> Putin ... apparently the people that Harvard sent over to teach
> capitalism ... were looting the country (and Russia needed somebody,
> like Putin to stand up to the looters from the US/Harvard) John Helmer:
> Convicted Fraudster Jonathan Hay, Harvard's Man Who Wrecked Russia,
> Resurfaces in Ukraine
> http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2015/02/convicted-fraudster-j onathan-hay-harvards-man-who-wrecked-russia-resurfaces-in-uk raine.html
>
> If you are unfamiliar with this fiasco, which was also the true
> proximate cause of Larry Summers' ouster from Harvard, you must read an
> extraordinary expose, How Harvard Lost Russia, from Institutional
> Investor. I am told copies of this article were stuffed in every Harvard
> faculty member's inbox the day Summers got a vote of no confidence and
> resigned shortly thereafter.
>
> ... snip ...
>
> How Harvard lost Russia; The best and brightest of America's premier
> university came to Moscow in the 1990s to teach Russians how to be
> capitalists. This is the inside story of how their efforts led to
> scandal and disgrace (gone 404, but lives on at wayback machine)
> https://web.archive.org/web/20130211131020/http://www.instit utionalinvestor.com/Article/1020662/How-Harvard-lost-Russia. html
>
> Mostly, they hurt Russia and its hopes of establishing a lasting
> framework for a stable Western-style capitalism, as Summers himself
> acknowledged when he testified under oath in the U.S. lawsuit in
> Cambridge in 2002. "The project was of enormous value," said Summers,
> who by then had been installed as the president of Harvard. "Its
> cessation was damaging to Russian economic reform and to the
> U.S.-Russian relationship."
>
> ... snip ...
>
> trivia: I had gotten asked to help figure out how to do 5,000 banks
> across Russia (@$1M, $5B total) as part of making it a Democratic
> country, however before it got very far, the US capitalism looting
> (kleptocracy) put end to efforts.
>
> consistant with "Economic Hit Man" (and author claiming to have been
> recruited in Cambridge)
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confessions_of_an_Economic_Hit _Man
> https://www.amazon.com/New-Confessions-Economic-Hit-Man-eboo k/dp/B017MZ8EBM/
> https://bkconnection.com/books/title/the-new-confessions-of- an-economic-hit-man
>
>
> Smedley Butler online
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smedley_Butler
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Is_a_Racket
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_profiteering
>
> Mahan plays prominent role
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Thayer_Mahan
> As does Sullivan & Cromwell especially John Foster Dulles (while at
> Sullivan & Cromwell) playing major role in rebuilding Germany's economy
> and militry during the 20s up through the early 40s.
> https://www.amazon.com/Brothers-Foster-Dulles-Allen-Secret-e book/dp/B00BY5QX1K/
>
I am glad to hear from you, hoping you are well, next we might hear
from BAH
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Fri, 19 August 2022 03:56 |
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On Thu, 18 Aug 2022 19:58:15 -0700
Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>> On Thu, 18 Aug 2022 17:05:55 -0500
>> D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The staff used a shredder that cut them into strips, instead of
>>> confetti. The Iranians put them back together.
>>
>> I have heard of cross-cut shredded material being scanned and
>> reassembled with the aid of a computer and some fancy edge matching
>> algorithms.
>>
>
> This was apparently done entirely by hand, by a bunch of college students.
Oh yes, and it may have been the event that made cross-cut
shredders popular, reconstructing cross-cut by hand would take a *long*
time.
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On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 11:17:32 AM UTC-6, Peter Flass wrote:
> I’m still hoping for the great wake-up call. If enough trumpy candidates
> lose badly, as it looks like Oz is doing in PA and Vance is doing in OH,
> then, hopefully, the real Republicans will decide that winning elections is
> preferable to pretending loyalty to Der Führer.
Unfortunately, the loss by Liz Cheney will tell them something else.
It depends on which state one is in - unfortunately, there are still parts
of the United States where Trump is very popular.
John Savard
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Originally posted by: maus
On 2022-08-19, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Aug 2022 19:58:15 -0700
> Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 18 Aug 2022 17:05:55 -0500
>>> D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The staff used a shredder that cut them into strips, instead of
>>>> confetti. The Iranians put them back together.
>>>
>>> I have heard of cross-cut shredded material being scanned and
>>> reassembled with the aid of a computer and some fancy edge matching
>>> algorithms.
>>>
>>
>> This was apparently done entirely by hand, by a bunch of college students.
>
> Oh yes, and it may have been the event that made cross-cut
> shredders popular, reconstructing cross-cut by hand would take a *long*
> time.
>
My point exactly. Even in ordinary commercial operations, it can take a
long time to destroy stuff.
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| Re: Why the Soviet computer failed [message #416241 is a reply to message #416239] |
Fri, 19 August 2022 05:33 |
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Originally posted by: maus
On 2022-08-19, Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
> On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 11:17:32 AM UTC-6, Peter Flass wrote:
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>> I’m still hoping for the great wake-up call. If enough trumpy candidates
>> lose badly, as it looks like Oz is doing in PA and Vance is doing in OH,
>> then, hopefully, the real Republicans will decide that winning elections is
>> preferable to pretending loyalty to Der Führer.
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> Unfortunately, the loss by Liz Cheney will tell them something else.
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> It depends on which state one is in - unfortunately, there are still parts
> of the United States where Trump is very popular.
>
> John Savard
Do tell!. Tucker Carlson last night.
As who I think is the resident expert, I would ask the following;
At what point in the history of computers (mechanical) was it decided to
use binary calculations, rather than some sort of decimal things?.
Turing's machines?
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greymausg@mail.org
Where is our money gone, Dude?
Do you want earwigs with that?.
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| Re: Why the Soviet computer failed [message #416243 is a reply to message #416228] |
Fri, 19 August 2022 10:19 |
D.J.
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On Fri, 19 Aug 2022 00:21:00 +0100, Ahem A Rivet's Shot
<steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Aug 2022 17:05:55 -0500
> D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> wrote:
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>> The staff used a shredder that cut them into strips, instead of
>> confetti. The Iranians put them back together.
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> I have heard of cross-cut shredded material being scanned and
> reassembled with the aid of a computer and some fancy edge matching
> algorithms.
I can see that is possible... I've seen ones in stores with different
sized confetti cuts. The smaller ones would be a big pain to do that
to.
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Jim
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| Re: Why the Soviet computer failed [message #416255 is a reply to message #416241] |
Fri, 19 August 2022 23:27 |
Quadibloc
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On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 3:33:51 AM UTC-6, maus wrote:
> At what point in the history of computers (mechanical) was it decided to
> use binary calculations, rather than some sort of decimal things?.
> Turing's machines?
I think Konrad Zuse made a mechanical computer that worked
in binary. Otherwise, binary made its debut on electronic computers.
John Savard
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| Re: Why the Soviet computer failed [message #416257 is a reply to message #415669] |
Sat, 20 August 2022 01:25 |
Ahem A Rivet's Shot
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On Fri, 19 Aug 2022 22:43:58 -0500
Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote:
> Yup. But scanners and computers have gotten very cheap. I'm betting
> that these days, the time would mostly be determined by how long it
> took to lay the pieces out on a scanner, and then to flip each
> piece... wait, if you laid them out in plastic sleeves, flipping would
> be nil time.
IIRC the time it was done they used a high resolution, high frame
rate camera and filmed them tumbling through the air from a blower.
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Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
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