| Re: what's a virus, Has McAfee itself become the virus our parents warned us against? [message #415714 is a reply to message #415697] |
Fri, 29 July 2022 05:59   |
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Originally posted by: Bud Spencer
On Thu, 28 Jul 2022, Peter Flass wrote:
> Bud Spencer <bud@campo.verano.it> wrote:
>> On Thu, 28 Jul 2022, Voice of REASON wrote:
>>
>>> Jim Jackson wrote:
>>>> On 2022-07-25, maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> The way I see it is the hospitals were on the verge of meltdown, we
>>>> >> went into a series of lockdowns and got most of us vaccinated, we released
>>>> >> the lockdowns and the hospitals didn't melt down.
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> > According to those who must be obeyed, over 90% of people in Ireland
>>>> > have been vaccinated, highest in the world, yet infections continue to
>>>> > happen.
>>>>
>>>> God you are thick! Before people were vaccinated, many got VERY ill and
>>>> needed ventilators and lots of hospitalisation. After Vaccination (and
>>>> of course Covid infection) a lot less people get VERY ill and a lot less
>>>> need hospitalisation.
>>>>
>>>
>>> This is due to the virus evolving into much less dangerous strains.
>>
>> So far it's not been explained to me how things that are not alive
>> (mayority of biologists says so, not me) can "evolve" ... even if we
>> believe darwinian evolution this is not making sense. And these are the
>> accepted "facts" of medical "science" we have ...
>>
>> But ... maybe those are possible by adding some Virtual particles into the
>> mathematical equations to prove it's possible ... maybe it just need firm
>> BELIEF into the cult of science.
>>
>
> If you don’t understand it, maybe you should take some biology courses. I’d
> rather believe someone with a PhD or MD than someone who’s done a lot of
> “research” on the internet.
So you do understand how not-alive things evolve? That's quite
interesting, could you share your understanding of this. I know you won't
because "it's not your job to 'educate' someone like me", yes.
Yes. You did use the proper verb ... »believe« ... trust and belief into
the medical system that 3rd cause of death in US ... I rather think myself
and not blindly »believe« what ever is spoon fed to us.
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| Re: what's a virus, Has McAfee itself become the virus our parents warned us against? [message #415715 is a reply to message #415701] |
Fri, 29 July 2022 06:03 |
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Originally posted by: Bud Spencer
On Thu, 28 Jul 2022, Jim Jackson wrote:
> On 2022-07-28, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Bud Spencer <bud@campo.verano.it> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 28 Jul 2022, Voice of REASON wrote:
>>>
>>>> Jim Jackson wrote:
>>>> > On 2022-07-25, maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> The way I see it is the hospitals were on the verge of meltdown, we
>>>> >>> went into a series of lockdowns and got most of us vaccinated, we released
>>>> >>> the lockdowns and the hospitals didn't melt down.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> According to those who must be obeyed, over 90% of people in Ireland
>>>> >> have been vaccinated, highest in the world, yet infections continue to
>>>> >> happen.
>>>> >
>>>> > God you are thick! Before people were vaccinated, many got VERY ill and
>>>> > needed ventilators and lots of hospitalisation. After Vaccination (and
>>>> > of course Covid infection) a lot less people get VERY ill and a lot less
>>>> > need hospitalisation.
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> This is due to the virus evolving into much less dangerous strains.
>>>
>>> So far it's not been explained to me how things that are not alive
>>> (mayority of biologists says so, not me) can "evolve" ... even if we
>>> believe darwinian evolution this is not making sense. And these are the
>>> accepted "facts" of medical "science" we have ...
>>>
>>> But ... maybe those are possible by adding some Virtual particles into the
>>> mathematical equations to prove it's possible ... maybe it just need firm
>>> BELIEF into the cult of science.
>>>
>>
>> If you don't understand it, maybe you should take some biology courses. I'd
>> rather believe someone with a PhD or MD than someone who's done a lot of
>> 'research' on the internet.
>>
>
> I'm afraid some people you can't even discuss things with - because they
> don't approach the world in any sort of rational way. The clues are
> often in the dogmatic, extreme way they put their case. Unfortunately
> you get a higher percentage of the nutters here than you meet in real life.
Yes, these types this one Peter repsesents are sure rather fanatic and
cannot have decent discussion between people who have different opinions.
> Anyway killfiles work.
Of course they do. But using kill files to hide from the views one doesn't
agree with is rather telling of character. Then again, living in a echo
chamber is soothing for some.
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| Re: what's a virus, Has McAfee itself become the virus our parents warned us against? [message #415716 is a reply to message #415714] |
Fri, 29 July 2022 06:06 |
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Originally posted by: Bud Spencer
On Fri, 29 Jul 2022, Bud Spencer wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Jul 2022, Peter Flass wrote:
>
>> Bud Spencer <bud@campo.verano.it> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 28 Jul 2022, Voice of REASON wrote:
>>>
>>>> Jim Jackson wrote:
>>>> > On 2022-07-25, maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> The way I see it is the hospitals were on the verge of meltdown, we
>>>> >>> went into a series of lockdowns and got most of us vaccinated, we
>>>> >>> released
>>>> >>> the lockdowns and the hospitals didn't melt down.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> According to those who must be obeyed, over 90% of people in Ireland
>>>> >> have been vaccinated, highest in the world, yet infections continue to
>>>> >> happen.
>>>> >
>>>> > God you are thick! Before people were vaccinated, many got VERY ill and
>>>> > needed ventilators and lots of hospitalisation. After Vaccination (and
>>>> > of course Covid infection) a lot less people get VERY ill and a lot less
>>>> > need hospitalisation.
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> This is due to the virus evolving into much less dangerous strains.
>>>
>>> So far it's not been explained to me how things that are not alive
>>> (mayority of biologists says so, not me) can "evolve" ... even if we
>>> believe darwinian evolution this is not making sense. And these are the
>>> accepted "facts" of medical "science" we have ...
>>>
>>> But ... maybe those are possible by adding some Virtual particles into the
>>> mathematical equations to prove it's possible ... maybe it just need firm
>>> BELIEF into the cult of science.
>>>
>>
>> If you don’t understand it, maybe you should take some biology courses. I’d
>> rather believe someone with a PhD or MD than someone who’s done a lot of
>> “research” on the internet.
>
> So you do understand how not-alive things evolve? That's quite interesting,
> could you share your understanding of this. I know you won't because "it's
> not your job to 'educate' someone like me", yes.
>
> Yes. You did use the proper verb ... »believe« ... trust and belief into the
> medical system that 3rd cause of death in US ... I rather think myself and
> not blindly »believe« what ever is spoon fed to us.
I must clear this badly written second paragraph. I was talking about
medical system that is so slppy that medical errors are 3rd leading cause
of deaths in US.
Sorry for inconvenience ...
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| Re: what's a virus, Has McAfee itself become the virus our parents warned us against? [message #415717 is a reply to message #415714] |
Fri, 29 July 2022 07:18 |
Ahem A Rivet's Shot
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On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 12:59:16 +0300
Bud Spencer <bud@campo.verano.it> wrote:
> So you do understand how not-alive things evolve? That's quite
> interesting, could you share your understanding of this.
Evolution does not require life. Evolution requires reproduction
with changes, fitness tests that control reproduction and iteration nothing
more. It's an extremely effective way of seeking local optima in a phase
space. Look into evolutionary algorithms (aka genetic algorithms) and the
use of evolution in design (there's at least one wing profile in use that
was evolved in simulation first).
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Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
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| Re: what's a virus, Has McAfee itself become the virus our parents warned us against? [message #415724 is a reply to message #415715] |
Fri, 29 July 2022 11:56 |
Harry Vaderchi
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On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 13:03:18 +0300
Bud Spencer <bud@campo.verano.it> wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Jul 2022, Jim Jackson wrote:
>
>> On 2022-07-28, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> Bud Spencer <bud@campo.verano.it> wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 28 Jul 2022, Voice of REASON wrote:
>>>>
[]
>
> Yes, these types this one Peter repsesents are sure rather fanatic and
> cannot have decent discussion between people who have different opinions.
>
>> Anyway killfiles work.
>
> Of course they do. But using kill files to hide from the views one doesn't
> agree with is rather telling of character. Then again, living in a echo
> chamber is soothing for some.
>
Let's see more computing folklore. Not off-beat virus "theories".
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| Re: what's a virus, Has McAfee itself become the virus our parents warned us against? [message #415731 is a reply to message #415697] |
Fri, 29 July 2022 16:17 |
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Originally posted by: Branch Covidian Vaxmonger Cult
On 7/28/22 14:13, Peter Flass wrote:
> If you don’t understand it, maybe you should take some biology courses. I’d
> rather believe someone with a PhD or MD than someone who’s done a lot of
> “research” on the internet.
Appeal to authority. Classical logical fallacy. It's the Catholic way.
It's the way of all cultic thinking. 'Science' is a religion and only
those approved by the 'priesthood' have a right to speak. In this case
the occult degrees system is the authority. The occult system of degrees
in education originates in the system of degrees of the solar worship
cult of Mithras/Bel. The little black 'cube' hat is analogous to the
black cube of the Muslim cult. It shows conformity, uniformity with the
system.
Victims of this occultic mind-rape appeal to the authority of men who
depend on a 'system' for their sustenance. They reject self-sufficient,
self-directed, independent men who depend on themselves and reason.
Oil and water don't mix. Capable men who can stand on their own feet and
make their own decisions are always held in suspicion and contempt by
men who depend on authority for their false sense of security.
You cannot reason with such men. You can convince them that politicians
can be bought. But it is even easier to buy a scientist. It is easier
yet to put a college professor in your pocket. Even easier than that is
housing a 'journalist' in your purse.
Offering hospitals to intubate patients to death for a $38,000 payout
per death certificate has a word: bribery. It is also solicitation to
commit murder by medical neglect.
Rather than dealing with observable, provable facts like this they want
to establish themselves on a foundation of arguments over a virus that
no one has seen or proven to even exist. Then they demand that you prove
the virus doesn't exist, or you're the kook.
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| Re: what's a virus, Has McAfee itself become the virus our parents warned us against? [message #415734 is a reply to message #415717] |
Fri, 29 July 2022 16:26 |
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Originally posted by: Chili Fart Chamber
On 7/29/22 06:18, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> Evolution does not require life. Evolution requires reproduction
> with changes, fitness tests that control reproduction and iteration nothing
> more. It's an extremely effective way of seeking local optima in a phase
> space. Look into evolutionary algorithms (aka genetic algorithms) and the
> use of evolution in design (there's at least one wing profile in use that
> was evolved in simulation first).
Algorithms have a designer.
Checkmate.
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| Re: what's a virus, Has McAfee itself become the virus our parents warned us against? [message #415737 is a reply to message #415680] |
Fri, 29 July 2022 16:32 |
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Originally posted by: Chili Fart Chamber
On 7/28/22 00:12, Voice of REASON wrote:
>> If you don't*have* the time, because there aren't
>> enough ventilators to go around to keep the population
>> from dying like flies,
> Ventilators didn't help anyone. If you went on a ventilator, odds
> were very high that you would leave the hospital in a box. We knew
> this from data out of Wuhan.
That was the goal. Research 'The Milgram Experiment' to see how
authority figures use their authority to get people to commit atrocities
in the name of a good cause.
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| Re: what's a virus, Has McAfee itself become the virus our parents warned us against? [message #415742 is a reply to message #415731] |
Fri, 29 July 2022 18:23 |
Peter Flass
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Branch Covidian Vaxmonger Cult <branch@covidian.vax> wrote:
> On 7/28/22 14:13, Peter Flass wrote:
>> If you don’t understand it, maybe you should take some biology courses. I’d
>> rather believe someone with a PhD or MD than someone who’s done a lot of
>> “research” on the internet.
>
> Appeal to authority. Classical logical fallacy. It's the Catholic way.
> It's the way of all cultic thinking. 'Science' is a religion and only
> those approved by the 'priesthood' have a right to speak. In this case
> the occult degrees system is the authority. The occult system of degrees
> in education originates in the system of degrees of the solar worship
> cult of Mithras/Bel. The little black 'cube' hat is analogous to the
> black cube of the Muslim cult. It shows conformity, uniformity with the
> system.
Okay, I wasn’t going to contribute to this madness any more, but just one
more thought. If you don’t want to believe people with knowledge and
experience, where are you going to get your information? Are you going to
do research yourself to validate your ideas? Are you just going to pull an
answer out of your head (or other oriface)? The days are long gone when a
talented amateur can make major discoveries. Most science now (in most
fields) takes lots of money for big labs, lots of equipment, and lots of
people. I suppose you could also read some yahoo’s blog or watch OAN to
get the “truth.”
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| Re: what's a virus, Has McAfee itself become the virus our parents warned us against? [message #415745 is a reply to message #415730] |
Fri, 29 July 2022 18:57 |
Charlie Gibbs
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On 2022-07-29, Bud Spencer <bud@campo.verano.it> wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Jul 2022, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 12:59:16 +0300
>> Bud Spencer <bud@campo.verano.it> wrote:
>>
>>> So you do understand how not-alive things evolve? That's quite
>>> interesting, could you share your understanding of this.
>>
>> Evolution does not require life. Evolution requires reproduction
>
> Fair, but "viruses" do not reproduction ... because they are non-living.
> Reproduction ability is one of the biological definitions you need for
> little thing called "life" ...
Classical logical fallacy. Just because all living things reproduce,
this doesn't restrict reproduction to living things.
All horses are quadrupeds, but not all quadrupeds are horses.
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\ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | Apple is a cult.
X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | Linux is anarchy.
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| Re: what's a virus, Has McAfee itself become the virus our parents warned us against? [message #415796 is a reply to message #415731] |
Sun, 31 July 2022 16:01 |
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Originally posted by: Bud Spencer
On Fri, 29 Jul 2022, Branch Covidian Vaxmonger Cult wrote:
> On 7/28/22 14:13, Peter Flass wrote:
>> If you don’t understand it, maybe you should take some biology courses. I’d
>> rather believe someone with a PhD or MD than someone who’s done a lot of
>> “research” on the internet.
>
> Appeal to authority. Classical logical fallacy. It's the Catholic way. It's
> the way of all cultic thinking. 'Science' is a religion and only those
> approved by the 'priesthood' have a right to speak. In this case the occult
> degrees system is the authority. The occult system of degrees in education
> originates in the system of degrees of the solar worship cult of Mithras/Bel.
> The little black 'cube' hat is analogous to the black cube of the Muslim
> cult. It shows conformity, uniformity with the system.
>
> Victims of this occultic mind-rape appeal to the authority of men who depend
> on a 'system' for their sustenance. They reject self-sufficient,
> self-directed, independent men who depend on themselves and reason.
>
> Oil and water don't mix. Capable men who can stand on their own feet and make
> their own decisions are always held in suspicion and contempt by men who
> depend on authority for their false sense of security.
>
> You cannot reason with such men. You can convince them that politicians can
> be bought. But it is even easier to buy a scientist. It is easier yet to put
> a college professor in your pocket. Even easier than that is housing a
> 'journalist' in your purse.
>
> Offering hospitals to intubate patients to death for a $38,000 payout per
> death certificate has a word: bribery. It is also solicitation to commit
> murder by medical neglect.
>
> Rather than dealing with observable, provable facts like this they want to
> establish themselves on a foundation of arguments over a virus that no one
> has seen or proven to even exist. Then they demand that you prove the virus
> doesn't exist, or you're the kook.
Facts.
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| Re: what's a virus, Has McAfee itself become the virus our parents warned us against? [message #415797 is a reply to message #415734] |
Sun, 31 July 2022 16:16 |
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Originally posted by: Bud Spencer
On Fri, 29 Jul 2022, Chili Fart Chamber wrote:
> On 7/29/22 06:18, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>> Evolution does not require life. Evolution requires reproduction
>> with changes, fitness tests that control reproduction and iteration nothing
>> more. It's an extremely effective way of seeking local optima in a phase
>> space. Look into evolutionary algorithms (aka genetic algorithms) and the
>> use of evolution in design (there's at least one wing profile in use that
>> was evolved in simulation first).
>
> Algorithms have a designer.
>
> Checkmate.
LOL!
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| Re: what's a virus, Has McAfee itself become the virus our parents warned us against? [message #415798 is a reply to message #415735] |
Sun, 31 July 2022 16:17 |
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Originally posted by: Bud Spencer
On Fri, 29 Jul 2022, Chili Fart Chamber wrote:
> On 7/28/22 09:28, Bud Spencer wrote:
>> Just because you didn't catch the things you listed there, your logic is
>> that my argument "also yu are going to die" is invalid and I'm a liar?
>>
>> That's one rational thinking right there. With that much emotions involved,
>> you must also identify as a female, right?
>
> Whether or not he identifies as a female, I would have identified him as a
> female.
Know the feeling ... it's the smell of soy.
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| Re: what's a virus, Has McAfee itself become the virus our parents warned us against? [message #415799 is a reply to message #415736] |
Sun, 31 July 2022 16:23 |
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Originally posted by: Bud Spencer
On Fri, 29 Jul 2022, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 22:40:25 +0300
> Bud Spencer <bud@campo.verano.it> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 29 Jul 2022, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 12:59:16 +0300
>>> Bud Spencer <bud@campo.verano.it> wrote:
>>>
>>>> So you do understand how not-alive things evolve? That's quite
>>>> interesting, could you share your understanding of this.
>>>
>>> Evolution does not require life. Evolution requires reproduction
>>
>> Fair, but "viruses" do not reproduction ... because they are non-living.
>
> Evolution does not require that the reproduction be self contained,
> simply that it involves imperfect copying. Viruses reproduce very
> effectively with the aid of a cell.
Never seen to happen, "viruses" reproducing, it's just theory. And if they
cannot reproduce themselves, they doesn't qualify as living. Says
biologists, not me.
Still I don't get how non-living things are capable to evolve. With that
train of thought, when you photocopy something, that is also evolution,
since it's imperfect copying of non-living thing.
Prove me wrong!
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| Re: what's a virus, Has McAfee itself become the virus our parents warned us against? [message #415800 is a reply to message #415745] |
Sun, 31 July 2022 16:27 |
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Originally posted by: Bud Spencer
On Fri, 29 Jul 2022, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2022-07-29, Bud Spencer <bud@campo.verano.it> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 29 Jul 2022, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 12:59:16 +0300
>>> Bud Spencer <bud@campo.verano.it> wrote:
>>>
>>>> So you do understand how not-alive things evolve? That's quite
>>>> interesting, could you share your understanding of this.
>>>
>>> Evolution does not require life. Evolution requires reproduction
>>
>> Fair, but "viruses" do not reproduction ... because they are non-living.
>> Reproduction ability is one of the biological definitions you need for
>> little thing called "life" ...
>
> Classical logical fallacy. Just because all living things reproduce,
> this doesn't restrict reproduction to living things.
So you call all the biologists having this "classical logical fallacy"
then. It's their thinking that to be alive one must have to have ability
to reproduce.
But I know you know they are in wrong!
Can you name those non-living things that reproduce, save "viruses"?
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| Re: what's a virus, Has McAfee itself become the virus our parents warned us against? [message #415810 is a reply to message #415808] |
Sun, 31 July 2022 17:31 |
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Originally posted by: Bud Spencer
On Sun, 31 Jul 2022, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> On Sun, 31 Jul 2022 23:23:06 +0300
> Bud Spencer <bud@campo.verano.it> wrote:
>
>> Still I don't get how non-living things are capable to evolve. With that
>> train of thought, when you photocopy something, that is also evolution,
>> since it's imperfect copying of non-living thing.
>
> Evolution requires three things:
>
> 1: Reproduction with changes
> 2: Fitness tests that control the reproduction (to some extent)
> 3: Iteration
>
> Your example had only one of the three necessary ingredients.
I was just following the logic what you put out by saying this:
> Evolution does not require that the reproduction be self contained,
> simply that it involves imperfect copying.
You were not talking about these other two things you suddenly added.
Well, that is basic goalpost moving ...
Can you elaborate why my example doesn't fit into those criterias you
listed there?
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| Re: what's a virus, Has McAfee itself become the virus our parents warned us against? [message #415813 is a reply to message #415799] |
Sun, 31 July 2022 21:05 |
Peter Flass
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Bud Spencer <bud@campo.verano.it> wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Jul 2022, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 22:40:25 +0300
>> Bud Spencer <bud@campo.verano.it> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 29 Jul 2022, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 12:59:16 +0300
>>>> Bud Spencer <bud@campo.verano.it> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > So you do understand how not-alive things evolve? That's quite
>>>> > interesting, could you share your understanding of this.
>>>>
>>>> Evolution does not require life. Evolution requires reproduction
>>>
>>> Fair, but "viruses" do not reproduction ... because they are non-living.
>>
>> Evolution does not require that the reproduction be self contained,
>> simply that it involves imperfect copying. Viruses reproduce very
>> effectively with the aid of a cell.
>
> Never seen to happen, "viruses" reproducing, it's just theory. And if they
> cannot reproduce themselves, they doesn't qualify as living. Says
> biologists, not me.
>
> Still I don't get how non-living things are capable to evolve. With that
> train of thought, when you photocopy something, that is also evolution,
> since it's imperfect copying of non-living thing.
>
> Prove me wrong!
>
If they could photocopy themselves, and if some of the imperfections helped
them do it better, you’d have the idea.
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| Re: what's a virus, Has McAfee itself become the virus our parents warned us against? [message #415817 is a reply to message #415813] |
Sun, 31 July 2022 22:18 |
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Originally posted by: Bud Spencer
On Sun, 31 Jul 2022, Peter Flass wrote:
> Bud Spencer <bud@campo.verano.it> wrote:
>> On Fri, 29 Jul 2022, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 22:40:25 +0300
>>> Bud Spencer <bud@campo.verano.it> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 29 Jul 2022, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 12:59:16 +0300
>>>> > Bud Spencer <bud@campo.verano.it> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> So you do understand how not-alive things evolve? That's quite
>>>> >> interesting, could you share your understanding of this.
>>>> >
>>>> > Evolution does not require life. Evolution requires reproduction
>>>>
>>>> Fair, but "viruses" do not reproduction ... because they are non-living.
>>>
>>> Evolution does not require that the reproduction be self contained,
>>> simply that it involves imperfect copying. Viruses reproduce very
>>> effectively with the aid of a cell.
>>
>> Never seen to happen, "viruses" reproducing, it's just theory. And if they
>> cannot reproduce themselves, they doesn't qualify as living. Says
>> biologists, not me.
>>
>> Still I don't get how non-living things are capable to evolve. With that
>> train of thought, when you photocopy something, that is also evolution,
>> since it's imperfect copying of non-living thing.
>>
>> Prove me wrong!
>>
>
> If they could photocopy themselves, and if some of the imperfections helped
> them do it better, you’d have the idea.
Yet again one more goalpost moving ... Where in this sentence it's
mentioned anything "helped them do it better"?
> Evolution does not require that the reproduction be self contained,
> simply that it involves imperfect copying.
Here »evolution« is just something that "involves imperfect copying" and
to this I replied.
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| Re: what's a virus, Has McAfee itself become the virus our parents warned us against? [message #415925 is a reply to message #415730] |
Wed, 03 August 2022 20:02 |
Quadibloc
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On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 1:40:31 PM UTC-6, Bud Spencer wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Jul 2022, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>> Evolution does not require life. Evolution requires reproduction
> Fair, but "viruses" do not reproduction ... because they are non-living.
> Reproduction ability is one of the biological definitions you need for
> little thing called »life« ...
If viruses didn't reproduce, there wouldn't be enough of them around
for anyone to ever catch a cold.
You must have fallen asleep while they were showing that filmstrip in
junior high. Viruses don't reproduce themselves the way that living
bacteria do, by dividing, and they certainly don't reproduce sexually.
But they do reproduce - they turn the living cells they infect into machines
to make more viruses. That's how they can reproduce while being just
packages of genetic material (with a bit of protein too, for things like
a protective sheath) without the internal machinery to metabolize food,
and fit the conventional description of life.
Also, while most biologists *used* to say viruses weren't alive, the more
open-minded ones who did class them as living are now the majority.
John Savard
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| Re: what's a virus, Has McAfee itself become the virus our parents warned us against? [message #415991 is a reply to message #415592] |
Fri, 05 August 2022 20:11 |
Alan Bowler
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On 2022-07-26 12:57 p.m., D.J. wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Jul 2022 21:53:51 -0000 (UTC), John Levine
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>> (I'm wondering how much protection the smallpox shot I got in
>> the 1950s gives me against monkeypox.)
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> It is supposed to help protect against monkeypox.
Monkeypox is endemic in Africa, because it has a wild reserve
in monkeys and rodents. The universal use of
the smallpox vaccine kept monkeypox in check for many decades.
Smallpox only lived in humans so it was possible to
exterminate it. After that smallpox vaccinations stopped,
and people born after are vulnerable. According to CBC
medical contributor, Dr. Peter Lin, protection from those
vaccinations decades ago probably have little remaining protection.
https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/2056219203520
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| Re: what's a virus, Has McAfee itself become the virus our parents warned us against? [message #418729 is a reply to message #415991] |
Thu, 12 January 2023 18:25 |
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Originally posted by: Alann Donald
On Saturday, August 6, 2022 at 1:11:15 AM UTC+1, Alan Bowler wrote:
> On 2022-07-26 12:57 p.m., D.J. wrote:
>> On Fri, 15 Jul 2022 21:53:51 -0000 (UTC), John Levine
>>>
>>> (I'm wondering how much protection the smallpox shot I got in
>>> the 1950s gives me against monkeypox.)
>>
>> It is supposed to help protect against monkeypox.
>
> Monkeypox is endemic in Africa, because it has a wild reserve
> in monkeys and rodents. The universal use of
> the smallpox vaccine kept monkeypox in check for many decades.
>
> Smallpox only lived in humans so it was possible to
> exterminate it. After that smallpox vaccinations stopped,
> and people born after are vulnerable. According to CBC
> medical contributor, Dr. Peter Lin, protection from those
> vaccinations decades ago probably have little remaining protection.
>
> https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/2056219203520
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