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Re: Star Trek animated comedy series ordered from Rick and Morty writer [message #405473 is a reply to message #405472] Thu, 25 October 2018 13:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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In article <pqsu8k$7ro$3@dont-email.me>,
>
> And previously, there was a much-loved Star Trek: The Animated
> Series which expanded on The Original Series episodes and ran from
> 1973-74 (but was not a comedy).
>

Though there were some comedy episodes (as in TOS).

Here's a no-brainer, which I am not sure why it has not already happened:

You have the animated series with the TOS original cast voices, some decent
scripts, and absolutely *awful* Filmation animation. Now is the time to
redo the series in CGI, keeping the original voice tracks and scripts.
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Re: Star Trek animated comedy series ordered from Rick and Morty writer [message #405474 is a reply to message #405473] Thu, 25 October 2018 13:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Damn Ubi and his moronic crossposts; one group deleted which doesn't
exist. I don't know which other groups are real.

Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
> In article <pqsu8k$7ro$3@dont-email.me>,

>> And previously, there was a much-loved Star Trek: The Animated
>> Series which expanded on The Original Series episodes and ran from
>> 1973-74 (but was not a comedy).

> Though there were some comedy episodes (as in TOS).

> Here's a no-brainer, which I am not sure why it has not already happened:

> You have the animated series with the TOS original cast voices, some decent
> scripts, and absolutely *awful* Filmation animation. Now is the time to
> redo the series in CGI, keeping the original voice tracks and scripts.

I re-watched the series recently. The scripts were largely terrible. And
the voice tracks? Toss 'em. None of the actors recorded together and
there is no illusion that characters in the same scene were speaking to
each other.
Re: Star Trek animated comedy series ordered from Rick and Morty writer [message #405475 is a reply to message #405473] Thu, 25 October 2018 14:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thu, 25 Oct 2018 10:37:35 -0700 ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan<tednolan>
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> In article<pqsu8k$7ro$3@dont-email.me>,
>>
>> And previously, there was a much-loved Star Trek: The Animated
>> Series which expanded on The Original Series episodes and ran from
>> 1973-74 (but was not a comedy).
>
> Though there were some comedy episodes (as in TOS).
>
> Here's a no-brainer, which I am not sure why it has not already happened:
>
> You have the animated series with the TOS original cast voices, some decent
> scripts, and absolutely *awful* Filmation animation. Now is the time to
> redo the series in CGI, keeping the original voice tracks and scripts.

That's been suggested many times. Remember that Paramount would have just
done it with anybody that happened to be in the office that day, like they
did with 'remastered'

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Re: Star Trek animated comedy series ordered from Rick and Morty writer [message #405476 is a reply to message #405474] Thu, 25 October 2018 14:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thu, 25 Oct 2018 10:55:17 -0700 Adam H. Kerman<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

> Damn Ubi and his moronic crossposts; one group deleted which doesn't
> exist. I don't know which other groups are real.
>
> Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
>> In article<pqsu8k$7ro$3@dont-email.me>,
>
>>> And previously, there was a much-loved Star Trek: The Animated
>>> Series which expanded on The Original Series episodes and ran from
>>> 1973-74 (but was not a comedy).
>
>> Though there were some comedy episodes (as in TOS).
>
>> Here's a no-brainer, which I am not sure why it has not already happened:
>
>> You have the animated series with the TOS original cast voices, some decent
>> scripts, and absolutely *awful* Filmation animation. Now is the time to
>> redo the series in CGI, keeping the original voice tracks and scripts.
>
> I re-watched the series recently. The scripts were largely terrible. And
> the voice tracks? Toss 'em. None of the actors recorded together and
> there is no illusion that characters in the same scene were speaking to
> each other.

And yet somehow this then became standard for animation recordings.

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Re: Star Trek animated comedy series ordered from Rick and Morty writer [message #405477 is a reply to message #405476] Thu, 25 October 2018 15:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
> Thu, 25 Oct 2018 10:55:17 -0700 Adam H. Kerman<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>>> In article<pqsu8k$7ro$3@dont-email.me>,

>>>> And previously, there was a much-loved Star Trek: The Animated
>>>> Series which expanded on The Original Series episodes and ran from
>>>> 1973-74 (but was not a comedy).

>>> Though there were some comedy episodes (as in TOS).

>>> Here's a no-brainer, which I am not sure why it has not already happened:

>>> You have the animated series with the TOS original cast voices, some decent
>>> scripts, and absolutely *awful* Filmation animation. Now is the time to
>>> redo the series in CGI, keeping the original voice tracks and scripts.

>> I re-watched the series recently. The scripts were largely terrible. And
>> the voice tracks? Toss 'em. None of the actors recorded together and
>> there is no illusion that characters in the same scene were speaking to
>> each other.

> And yet somehow this then became standard for animation recordings.

Are you saying that this was the first time that voice acting for
animation was no longer being done radio style?
Re: Star Trek animated comedy series ordered from Rick and Morty writer [message #405478 is a reply to message #405473] Thu, 25 October 2018 15:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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In article <g3edavFm9svU1@mid.individual.net>, tednolan wrote:
> Ubiquitous wrote:

>> And previously, there was a much-loved Star Trek: The Animated
>> Series which expanded on The Original Series episodes and ran from
>> 1973-74 (but was not a comedy).
>
> Though there were some comedy episodes (as in TOS).
>
> Here's a no-brainer, which I am not sure why it has not already happened:
>
> You have the animated series with the TOS original cast voices, some decent
> scripts, and absolutely *awful* Filmation animation. Now is the time to
> redo the series in CGI, keeping the original voice tracks and scripts.

Alas, the scripts were awful as well.

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Re: Star Trek animated comedy series ordered from Rick and Morty writer [message #405479 is a reply to message #405477] Thu, 25 October 2018 16:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thu, 25 Oct 2018 12:04:07 -0700 Adam H. Kerman<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

> anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
>> Thu, 25 Oct 2018 10:55:17 -0700 Adam H. Kerman<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>>>> In article<pqsu8k$7ro$3@dont-email.me>,
>
>>>> > And previously, there was a much-loved Star Trek: The Animated
>>>> > Series which expanded on The Original Series episodes and ran from
>>>> > 1973-74 (but was not a comedy).
>
>>>> Though there were some comedy episodes (as in TOS).
>
>>>> Here's a no-brainer, which I am not sure why it has not already happened:
>
>>>> You have the animated series with the TOS original cast voices, some
>>>> decent
>>>> scripts, and absolutely *awful* Filmation animation. Now is the time to
>>>> redo the series in CGI, keeping the original voice tracks and scripts.
>
>>> I re-watched the series recently. The scripts were largely terrible. And
>>> the voice tracks? Toss 'em. None of the actors recorded together and
>>> there is no illusion that characters in the same scene were speaking to
>>> each other.
>
>> And yet somehow this then became standard for animation recordings.
>
> Are you saying that this was the first time that voice acting for
> animation was no longer being done radio style?

I'm sure it wasn't the first, but it was the benchmark at which the corner
turned and the Rec-V went off the cliff.

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Re: Star Trek animated comedy series ordered from Rick and Morty writer [message #405480 is a reply to message #405474] Fri, 26 October 2018 19:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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In article <pqt025$nri$3@dont-email.me>, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>> Here's a no-brainer, which I am not sure why it has not already happened:
>
>> You have the animated series with the TOS original cast voices, some decent
>> scripts, and absolutely *awful* Filmation animation. Now is the time to
>> redo the series in CGI, keeping the original voice tracks and scripts.
>
> I re-watched the series recently. The scripts were largely terrible. And
> the voice tracks? Toss 'em. None of the actors recorded together and
> there is no illusion that characters in the same scene were speaking to
> each other.

I just noticed they were on NetFlix the other day, and
re-watched one I had fond memories of from back when it was
originally on TV, "The Jihad".

Some decent ideas and worldbuilding. I was particularly
intrigued by the Vedala "the oldest known species in the
galaxy", I think they said. My vague recollection from
1970mumble was that they'd said the Vedala were the founders
of the Federation, but that wasn't stated.

One thing I liked about the animated series was that freed from
the practical constraints of the aliens having to be humans in
rubber suits, the aliens weren't all humans in rubber suits.
Or with this week's fashion in forehead bumps.

Alas... Yeah. Wretched animation, really cut-rate.

The voice acting, they kind of seemed to be phoning it in.

The writing of this episode at least seemed mostly OK, probably
could have been carried with better voice acting.

One thing struck me -- I always thought that the original "Gene
Roddenberry" premise of Andromeda was "The Enterprise gets stuck
in a space-time wedgie for 300 years, and when it comes out, the
Federation has fallen, and all is barbarism. James Tomcat Kirk
takes it upon himself to re-build the Federation from scratch."
They filed off all the serial numbers and made it "Not Trek", of
course. Some was pretty good. Much was unspeakbly putrid.

Part of the background of Andromeda is that the Commonwealth was
founded by the Vedarans (?sp?) some 10,000 years ago.

That similarity of the name... I wonder if there's some
connection in whatever notes the writers of TAS may have been
working from? Was Roddenberry's concept (though never stated in
Star Trek, and contradicted by post-Roddenberry Trek) that the
Federation was much older than human space travel?

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Re: Star Trek animated comedy series ordered from Rick and Morty writer [message #405481 is a reply to message #405480] Fri, 26 October 2018 20:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Fri, 26 Oct 2018 16:38:55 -0700 Mike Van Pelt<mvp@web1.calweb.com> wrote:

> In article<pqt025$nri$3@dont-email.me>, Adam H. Kerman<ahk@chinet.com>
> wrote:
>>> Here's a no-brainer, which I am not sure why it has not already happened:
>>
>>> You have the animated series with the TOS original cast voices, some decent
>>> scripts, and absolutely *awful* Filmation animation. Now is the time to
>>> redo the series in CGI, keeping the original voice tracks and scripts.
>>
>> I re-watched the series recently. The scripts were largely terrible. And
>> the voice tracks? Toss 'em. None of the actors recorded together and
>> there is no illusion that characters in the same scene were speaking to
>> each other.
>
> I just noticed they were on NetFlix the other day, and
> re-watched one I had fond memories of from back when it was
> originally on TV, "The Jihad".
>
> Some decent ideas and worldbuilding. I was particularly
> intrigued by the Vedala "the oldest known species in the
> galaxy", I think they said. My vague recollection from
> 1970mumble was that they'd said the Vedala were the founders
> of the Federation, but that wasn't stated.
>
> One thing I liked about the animated series was that freed from
> the practical constraints of the aliens having to be humans in
> rubber suits, the aliens weren't all humans in rubber suits.
> Or with this week's fashion in forehead bumps.
>
> Alas... Yeah. Wretched animation, really cut-rate.
>
> The voice acting, they kind of seemed to be phoning it in.

That's an unavoidable side effect of recording each actor individually.
Without the other readings to react to, they go monotone. The Shat recorded
one of his eps in a toilet stall on location. They apparently sent out tape
recorders with the scripts; "here, read this into this and send it all back"

> The writing of this episode at least seemed mostly OK, probably
> could have been carried with better voice acting.
>
> One thing struck me -- I always thought that the original "Gene
> Roddenberry" premise of Andromeda was "The Enterprise gets stuck
> in a space-time wedgie for 300 years, and when it comes out, the
> Federation has fallen, and all is barbarism. James Tomcat Kirk
> takes it upon himself to re-build the Federation from scratch."
> They filed off all the serial numbers and made it "Not Trek", of
> course. Some was pretty good. Much was unspeakbly putrid.
>
> Part of the background of Andromeda is that the Commonwealth was
> founded by the Vedarans (?sp?) some 10,000 years ago.
>
> That similarity of the name... I wonder if there's some
> connection in whatever notes the writers of TAS may have been
> working from? Was Roddenberry's concept (though never stated in
> Star Trek, and contradicted by post-Roddenberry Trek) that the
> Federation was much older than human space travel?

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Re: Star Trek animated comedy series ordered from Rick and Morty writer [message #405486 is a reply to message #405481] Sat, 27 October 2018 00:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 10/26/2018 5:36 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
> Fri, 26 Oct 2018 16:38:55 -0700 Mike Van Pelt<mvp@web1.calweb.com> wrote:
>
>> In article<pqt025$nri$3@dont-email.me>, Adam H. Kerman<ahk@chinet.com>
>> wrote:
>>>> Here's a no-brainer, which I am not sure why it has not already happened:
>>>
>>>> You have the animated series with the TOS original cast voices, some decent
>>>> scripts, and absolutely *awful* Filmation animation. Now is the time to
>>>> redo the series in CGI, keeping the original voice tracks and scripts.
>>>
>>> I re-watched the series recently. The scripts were largely terrible. And
>>> the voice tracks? Toss 'em. None of the actors recorded together and
>>> there is no illusion that characters in the same scene were speaking to
>>> each other.
>>
>> I just noticed they were on NetFlix the other day, and
>> re-watched one I had fond memories of from back when it was
>> originally on TV, "The Jihad".
>>
>> Some decent ideas and worldbuilding. I was particularly
>> intrigued by the Vedala "the oldest known species in the
>> galaxy", I think they said. My vague recollection from
>> 1970mumble was that they'd said the Vedala were the founders
>> of the Federation, but that wasn't stated.
>>
>> One thing I liked about the animated series was that freed from
>> the practical constraints of the aliens having to be humans in
>> rubber suits, the aliens weren't all humans in rubber suits.
>> Or with this week's fashion in forehead bumps.
>>
>> Alas... Yeah. Wretched animation, really cut-rate.
>>
>> The voice acting, they kind of seemed to be phoning it in.
>
> That's an unavoidable side effect of recording each actor individually.
> Without the other readings to react to, they go monotone. The Shat recorded
> one of his eps in a toilet stall on location. They apparently sent out tape
> recorders with the scripts; "here, read this into this and send it all back"
>
Hee. There was an episode of (I think) 'Dirty Jobs' where they showed
Mike Rowe (who does a lot of voice-over narration) sitting in the
bathtub of the hotel room under a blanket recording some voice-over stuff.

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Re: Star Trek animated comedy series ordered from Rick and Morty writer [message #405487 is a reply to message #405486] Sat, 27 October 2018 10:11 Go to previous message
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Fri, 26 Oct 2018 21:25:24 -0700 Dimensional Traveler<dtravel@sonic.net>
wrote:

> On 10/26/2018 5:36 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>> Fri, 26 Oct 2018 16:38:55 -0700 Mike Van Pelt<mvp@web1.calweb.com> wrote:
>>
>>> In article<pqt025$nri$3@dont-email.me>, Adam H. Kerman<ahk@chinet.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> > Here's a no-brainer, which I am not sure why it has not already happened:
>>>>
>>>> > You have the animated series with the TOS original cast voices, some
>>>> > decent
>>>> > scripts, and absolutely *awful* Filmation animation. Now is the time to
>>>> > redo the series in CGI, keeping the original voice tracks and scripts.
>>>>
>>>> I re-watched the series recently. The scripts were largely terrible. And
>>>> the voice tracks? Toss 'em. None of the actors recorded together and
>>>> there is no illusion that characters in the same scene were speaking to
>>>> each other.
>>>
>>> I just noticed they were on NetFlix the other day, and
>>> re-watched one I had fond memories of from back when it was
>>> originally on TV, "The Jihad".
>>>
>>> Some decent ideas and worldbuilding. I was particularly
>>> intrigued by the Vedala "the oldest known species in the
>>> galaxy", I think they said. My vague recollection from
>>> 1970mumble was that they'd said the Vedala were the founders
>>> of the Federation, but that wasn't stated.
>>>
>>> One thing I liked about the animated series was that freed from
>>> the practical constraints of the aliens having to be humans in
>>> rubber suits, the aliens weren't all humans in rubber suits.
>>> Or with this week's fashion in forehead bumps.
>>>
>>> Alas... Yeah. Wretched animation, really cut-rate.
>>>
>>> The voice acting, they kind of seemed to be phoning it in.
>>
>> That's an unavoidable side effect of recording each actor individually.
>> Without the other readings to react to, they go monotone. The Shat recorded
>> one of his eps in a toilet stall on location. They apparently sent out tape
>> recorders with the scripts; "here, read this into this and send it all back"
> Hee. There was an episode of (I think) 'Dirty Jobs' where they showed
> Mike Rowe (who does a lot of voice-over narration) sitting in the
> bathtub of the hotel room under a blanket recording some voice-over stuff.

heh

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