| Rey's Parents [message #306495] |
Sat, 19 December 2015 21:43  |
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Originally posted by: C'Pi
I see a lot of people speculating that Rey is Luke's daughter. Or maybe even Han and Leia's. I don't see how this could be, because whoever left her by herself on a desert planet where she has to scavenge metal just to have enough to eat everyday is a complete and total bastard.
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| Re: Rey's Parents [message #306501 is a reply to message #306495] |
Sat, 19 December 2015 22:28  |
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In article <0fa7a216-43f4-4ef6-ba23-83dc1a0d9039@googlegroups.com>,
C'Pi <jas221@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> I see a lot of people speculating that Rey is Luke's daughter. Or maybe even
> Han and Leia's. I don't see how this could be, because whoever left her by
> herself on a desert planet where she has to scavenge metal just to have
> enough to eat everyday is a complete and total bastard.
No doubt it'll be one of those "Luke didn't know he had a daughter"
tired old plots.
Of course, in reality it's just lazy ol' Jar Jar Abrams ripping off the
main character from the Rebels animated show ( a child abandoned when
his parents were taken away by the Empire).
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| Re: Rey's Parents [message #306503 is a reply to message #306495] |
Sun, 20 December 2015 03:52 |
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In article <0fa7a216-43f4-4ef6-ba23-83dc1a0d9039@googlegroups.com>, C'Pi wrote:
> I see a lot of people speculating that Rey is Luke's daughter. Or
> maybe even Han and Leia's. I don't see how this could be, because
> whoever left her by herself on a desert planet where she has to
> scavenge metal just to have enough to eat everyday is a complete and
> total bastard.
It would be far-fetched, indeed. But the persons leaving her on Jakku needn't
be her actual parents, much like Leia Organa being raised by foster parents
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| Re: Rey's Parents [message #306525 is a reply to message #306503] |
Sun, 20 December 2015 11:16 |
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Originally posted by: C'Pi
On Sunday, December 20, 2015 at 4:52:37 PM UTC+8, Sandman wrote:
> In article <0>, C'Pi wrote:
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>> I see a lot of people speculating that Rey is Luke's daughter. Or
>> maybe even Han and Leia's. I don't see how this could be, because
>> whoever left her by herself on a desert planet where she has to
>> scavenge metal just to have enough to eat everyday is a complete and
>> total bastard.
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> It would be far-fetched, indeed. But the persons leaving her on Jakku needn't
> be her actual parents, much like Leia Organa being raised by foster parents
>
> --
> Sandman
That would still lead to some convoluted explanation. I don't think it's necessary to make everyone force sensitive a Skywalker. I hope it just turns out she is a force sensitive girl that got left behind by some crappy parents or foster parents that aren't in any way related to the Skywalkers.
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| Re: Rey's Parents [message #306536 is a reply to message #306525] |
Sun, 20 December 2015 17:23 |
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In article <58a4ab50-42b6-4fe9-b899-11d7e045be85@googlegroups.com>, C'Pi wrote:
>>> C'Pi:
>>> I see a lot of people speculating that Rey is Luke's daughter.
>>> Or maybe even Han and Leia's. I don't see how this could be,
>>> because whoever left her by herself on a desert planet where she
>>> has to scavenge metal just to have enough to eat everyday is a
>>> complete and total bastard.
>>
>> Sandman:
>> It would be far-fetched, indeed. But the persons leaving her on
>> Jakku needn't be her actual parents, much like Leia Organa being
>> raised by foster parents
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> That would still lead to some convoluted explanation.
Of course. I'm just saying that "convoluted explanation" is sort of the
backbone of Star Wars :)
> I don't think it's necessary to make everyone force sensitive a
> Skywalker. I hope it just turns out she is a force sensitive girl
> that got left behind by some crappy parents or foster parents that
> aren't in any way related to the Skywalkers.
I hope it's somewhere in between. I.e. she may not be Skywalker bloodline, but
her parents were special in some way, and Luke will turn out to know about
them, and know why they left her etc etc.
Snope is a bit of a wild card here as well. Seeing how he's going to train Ren,
he is also force sensitive, but seeing that he seems to be rather old, who is
he? And what was he doing at the time of the rebellion?
Is there an interesting backstory here, about how Snope rose to power after
something related to the new Jedi order?
When you think about it, it could be quite complex and interesting still, and
the more straight forward ANH-like storyline of TFA might have been a genius
way to create a simplistic surface adventure for a more complex relational
drama in the later movies. I.e. exactly like the original trilogy.
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| Re: Rey's Parents [message #306558 is a reply to message #306536] |
Mon, 21 December 2015 07:34 |
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Originally posted by: Oliver J. Hanau
Sandman:
> I hope it's somewhere in between. I.e. she may not be Skywalker
> bloodline, but her parents were special in some way, and Luke will
> turn out to know about them, and know why they left her etc etc.
But what Maz says, 'It belonged to Luke Skywalker, and to his father before him. And now it's calling to you' (I'm paraphrasing) makes a strong point. As much as I would hate it.
> Snope is a bit of a wild card here as well. Seeing how he's going to
> train Ren, he is also force sensitive, but seeing that he seems to be
> rather old, who is he?
Why, Jar-Jar Binks, of course. (I'm kidding; but that reddit post *does* make a lot of good points.)
> Is there an interesting backstory here, about how Snope rose to power
> after something related to the new Jedi order?
I'm generally a bit afraid of Abrams/Disney purposefully leaving open ends in the movies to be able to sell even more SW books and comics than they already did with the EU.
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| Re: Rey's Parents [message #306657 is a reply to message #306558] |
Tue, 22 December 2015 07:02 |
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Originally posted by: C'Pi
On Monday, December 21, 2015 at 8:34:41 PM UTC+8, Oliver J. Hanau wrote:
> Sandman:
>> I hope it's somewhere in between. I.e. she may not be Skywalker
>> bloodline, but her parents were special in some way, and Luke will
>> turn out to know about them, and know why they left her etc etc.
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> But what Maz says, 'It belonged to Luke Skywalker, and to his father before him. And now it's calling to you' (I'm paraphrasing) makes a strong point. As much as I would hate it.
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>> Snope is a bit of a wild card here as well. Seeing how he's going to
>> train Ren, he is also force sensitive, but seeing that he seems to be
>> rather old, who is he?
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> Why, Jar-Jar Binks, of course. (I'm kidding; but that reddit post *does* make a lot of good points.)
>
>> Is there an interesting backstory here, about how Snope rose to power
>> after something related to the new Jedi order?
>
> I'm generally a bit afraid of Abrams/Disney purposefully leaving open ends in the movies to be able to sell even more SW books and comics than they already did with the EU.
I was so confused the first 15 minutes of the movie. I think is because Disney wants me to go buy some comic books. And the back story looks just interesting enough for me to go and do that.
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| Re: Rey's Parents [message #306658 is a reply to message #306536] |
Tue, 22 December 2015 07:07 |
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Originally posted by: C'Pi
On Monday, December 21, 2015 at 6:23:51 AM UTC+8, Sandman wrote:
> In article <58a4ab50-42b6-4fe9-b899-11d7e045legroups.com>, C'Pi wrote:
>
>>>> C'Pi:
>>>> I see a lot of people speculating that Rey is Luke's daughter.
>>>> Or maybe even Han and Leia's. I don't see how this could be,
>>>> because whoever left her by herself on a desert planet where she
>>>> has to scavenge metal just to have enough to eat everyday is a
>>>> complete and total bastard.
>>>
>>> Sandman:
>>> It would be far-fetched, indeed. But the persons leaving her on
>>> Jakku needn't be her actual parents, much like Leia Organa being
>>> raised by foster parents
>>
>> That would still lead to some convoluted explanation.
>
> Of course. I'm just saying that "convoluted explanation" is sort of the
> backbone of Star Wars :)
>
>> I don't think it's necessary to make everyone force sensitive a
>> Skywalker. I hope it just turns out she is a force sensitive girl
>> that got left behind by some crappy parents or foster parents that
>> aren't in any way related to the Skywalkers.
>
> I hope it's somewhere in between. I.e. she may not be Skywalker bloodline, but
> her parents were special in some way, and Luke will turn out to know about
> them, and know why they left her etc etc.
>
> Snope is a bit of a wild card here as well. Seeing how he's going to train Ren,
> he is also force sensitive, but seeing that he seems to be rather old, who is
> he? And what was he doing at the time of the rebellion?
>
> Is there an interesting backstory here, about how Snope rose to power after
> something related to the new Jedi order?
>
> When you think about it, it could be quite complex and interesting still, and
> the more straight forward ANH-like storyline of TFA might have been a genius
> way to create a simplistic surface adventure for a more complex relational
> drama in the later movies. I.e. exactly like the original trilogy.
>
> --
> Sandman
I will be very surprised if as much time is spent on Kylo-Ren/Snope as will be spent on Rey/Luke. Or any time spent on them other than, 'You are now trained. Go kill Luke and bring me Rey.' Would be interesting to see that side of it but that part will probably be in the comic book.
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| Re: Rey's Parents [message #306696 is a reply to message #306657] |
Tue, 22 December 2015 15:07 |
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In article <a6bf55eb-07a0-4379-abf3-b63d049f8803@googlegroups.com>,
C'Pi <jas221@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Monday, December 21, 2015 at 8:34:41 PM UTC+8, Oliver J. Hanau wrote:
>> Sandman:
>>>
>>> I hope it's somewhere in between. I.e. she may not be Skywalker
>>> bloodline, but her parents were special in some way, and Luke will
>>> turn out to know about them, and know why they left her etc etc.
>>
>> But what Maz says, 'It belonged to Luke Skywalker, and to his father before
>> him. And now it's calling to you' (I'm paraphrasing) makes a strong point.
>> As much as I would hate it.
>>
>>> Snope is a bit of a wild card here as well. Seeing how he's going to
>>> train Ren, he is also force sensitive, but seeing that he seems to be
>>> rather old, who is he?
>>
>> Why, Jar-Jar Binks, of course. (I'm kidding; but that reddit post *does*
>> make a lot of good points.)
>>
>>> Is there an interesting backstory here, about how Snope rose to power
>>> after something related to the new Jedi order?
>>
>> I'm generally a bit afraid of Abrams/Disney purposefully leaving open ends
>> in the movies to be able to sell even more SW books and comics than they
>> already did with the EU.
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> I was so confused the first 15 minutes of the movie. I think is because
> Disney wants me to go buy some comic books. And the back story looks just
> interesting enough for me to go and do that.
I don't know if there are comics, but there are meant to be some
novels. Last time I checked there are meant to be these books (not
necessarily in this order) starting just after Episode VI and leading
up to the new movie ..
Aftermath
Lost Stars
Smuggler's Run
The Weapon of a Jedi
Moving Target
The all come under the sub-grouping banner of "Journey to The Force
Awakens".
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| Re: Rey's Parents [message #306756 is a reply to message #306658] |
Wed, 23 December 2015 07:51 |
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In article <f7679859-3661-4d97-afb5-751ec4792752@googlegroups.com>, C'Pi wrote:
>>> C'Pi:
>>> I don't think it's necessary to make everyone force sensitive a
>>> Skywalker. I hope it just turns out she is a force sensitive
>>> girl that got left behind by some crappy parents or foster
>>> parents that aren't in any way related to the Skywalkers.
>>
>> Sandman:
>> I hope it's somewhere in between. I.e. she may not be Skywalker
>> bloodline, but her parents were special in some way, and Luke
>> will turn out to know about them, and know why they left her etc
>> etc. Snope is a bit of a wild card here as well. Seeing how he's
>> going to train Ren, he is also force sensitive, but seeing that
>> he seems to be rather old, who is he? And what was he doing at
>> the time of the rebellion? Is there an interesting backstory here,
>> about how Snope rose to power after something related to the new
>> Jedi order? When you think about it, it could be quite complex and
>> interesting still, and the more straight forward ANH-like
>> storyline of TFA might have been a genius way to create a
>> simplistic surface adventure for a more complex relational drama
>> in the later movies. I.e. exactly like the original trilogy.
>
> I will be very surprised if as much time is spent on Kylo-Ren/Snope
> as will be spent on Rey/Luke. Or any time spent on them other than,
> 'You are now trained. Go kill Luke and bring me Rey.' Would be
> interesting to see that side of it but that part will probably be in
> the comic book.
I highly doubt we'll see Ren until he's back and "fully trained", fueled by
rage.
A lot of opinions is about Finn/Rey holding their own against Ren in a light
saber duel. But to me, that makes perfect sense.
in TFA, Ren is a poser, a wannabe. He's never fought another Jedi, he's never
received any lightsaber training, for all we know, the light saber he uses was
built by himself, given its "unstable" appearance.
So, while neither Finn or Rey are Jedis, they could plausibly be claimed to
have as much "fighting with sticks" experience as Ren. Finn does get his ass
handed to him in the end, of course, so maybe not as much for him. Rey already
have a staff in the movie, which may be a weapon, don't actually remember if it
ever does anything.
EpVIII will be very interesting!
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| Re: Rey's Parents [message #306782 is a reply to message #306657] |
Wed, 23 December 2015 14:45 |
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On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 04:02:25 -0800 (PST), "C'Pi" <jas221@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> On Monday, December 21, 2015 at 8:34:41 PM UTC+8, Oliver J. Hanau wrote:
>> Sandman:
>>> I hope it's somewhere in between. I.e. she may not be Skywalker
>>> bloodline, but her parents were special in some way, and Luke will
>>> turn out to know about them, and know why they left her etc etc.
>>
>> But what Maz says, 'It belonged to Luke Skywalker, and to his father before him. And now it's calling to you' (I'm paraphrasing) makes a strong point. As much as I would hate it.
>>
>>> Snope is a bit of a wild card here as well. Seeing how he's going to
>>> train Ren, he is also force sensitive, but seeing that he seems to be
>>> rather old, who is he?
>>
>> Why, Jar-Jar Binks, of course. (I'm kidding; but that reddit post *does* make a lot of good points.)
>>
>>> Is there an interesting backstory here, about how Snope rose to power
>>> after something related to the new Jedi order?
>>
>> I'm generally a bit afraid of Abrams/Disney purposefully leaving open ends in the movies to be able to sell even more SW books and comics than they already did with the EU.
>
>
> I was so confused the first 15 minutes of the movie. I think is because Disney wants me to go buy some comic books. And the back story looks just interesting enough for me to go and do that.
Shattered Empire has really good artwork but it only covers Poe's
parents. Also Luke's horticultural interests.
Hanky Huckleberry
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| Re: Rey's Parents [message #306825 is a reply to message #306756] |
Thu, 24 December 2015 07:41 |
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Originally posted by: C'Pi
On Wednesday, December 23, 2015 at 8:51:15 PM UTC+8, Sandman wrote:
> In article <f7679859-3661-4d97-afb5-751ec4792752googlegroups.com>, C'Pi wrote:
>
>>>> C'Pi:
>>>> I don't think it's necessary to make everyone force sensitive a
>>>> Skywalker. I hope it just turns out she is a force sensitive
>>>> girl that got left behind by some crappy parents or foster
>>>> parents that aren't in any way related to the Skywalkers.
>>>
>>> Sandman:
>>> I hope it's somewhere in between. I.e. she may not be Skywalker
>>> bloodline, but her parents were special in some way, and Luke
>>> will turn out to know about them, and know why they left her etc
>>> etc. Snope is a bit of a wild card here as well. Seeing how he's
>>> going to train Ren, he is also force sensitive, but seeing that
>>> he seems to be rather old, who is he? And what was he doing at
>>> the time of the rebellion? Is there an interesting backstory here,
>>> about how Snope rose to power after something related to the new
>>> Jedi order? When you think about it, it could be quite complex and
>>> interesting still, and the more straight forward ANH-like
>>> storyline of TFA might have been a genius way to create a
>>> simplistic surface adventure for a more complex relational drama
>>> in the later movies. I.e. exactly like the original trilogy.
>>
>> I will be very surprised if as much time is spent on Kylo-Ren/Snope
>> as will be spent on Rey/Luke. Or any time spent on them other than,
>> 'You are now trained. Go kill Luke and bring me Rey.' Would be
>> interesting to see that side of it but that part will probably be in
>> the comic book.
>
> I highly doubt we'll see Ren until he's back and "fully trained", fueled by
> rage.
>
> A lot of opinions is about Finn/Rey holding their own against Ren in a light
> saber duel. But to me, that makes perfect sense.
>
> in TFA, Ren is a poser, a wannabe. He's never fought another Jedi, he's never
> received any lightsaber training, for all we know, the light saber he uses was
> built by himself, given its "unstable" appearance.
True, and he had just been shot. I don't know why nobody thinks this matters. Clearly he had been weakened.
> So, while neither Finn or Rey are Jedis, they could plausibly be claimed to
> have as much "fighting with sticks" experience as Ren. Finn does get his ass
> handed to him in the end, of course, so maybe not as much for him.
I didn't have a problem with any of this. Finn is a soldier, surely he's been trained to fight many different ways. He probably knew how to use one of those riot control thingies, too. He didn't really do much with the lightsaber except get himself nearly killed, anyway.
> Rey already
> have a staff in the movie, which may be a weapon, don't actually remember if it
> ever does anything.
It was the Force!! People are looking back on the PT which made it look like years of training was needed and not on the OT that made it look like a person just needed to be attuned to the Force. Rey is naturally powerful in the Force just like Luke was. She let it control her actions. Beside she looked very raw while she was fighting. Quite brutish in fact.
> EpVIII will be very interesting!
Just as long as there are no Death Planets, and asteroid belts or cloud cities in site.
> --
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| Re: Rey's Parents [message #306826 is a reply to message #306782] |
Thu, 24 December 2015 07:43 |
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Originally posted by: C'Pi
On Thursday, December 24, 2015 at 3:46:01 AM UTC+8, nor...@googlegroups.com wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 04:02:25 -0800 (PST), "C'Pi" >
> wrote:
>
>> On Monday, December 21, 2015 at 8:34:41 PM UTC+8, Oliver J. Hanau wrote:
>>> Sandman:
>>>> I hope it's somewhere in between. I.e. she may not be Skywalker
>>>> bloodline, but her parents were special in some way, and Luke will
>>>> turn out to know about them, and know why they left her etc etc.
>>>
>>> But what Maz says, 'It belonged to Luke Skywalker, and to his father before him. And now it's calling to you' (I'm paraphrasing) makes a strong point. As much as I would hate it.
>>>
>>>> Snope is a bit of a wild card here as well. Seeing how he's going to
>>>> train Ren, he is also force sensitive, but seeing that he seems to be
>>>> rather old, who is he?
>>>
>>> Why, Jar-Jar Binks, of course. (I'm kidding; but that reddit post *does* make a lot of good points.)
>>>
>>>> Is there an interesting backstory here, about how Snope rose to power
>>>> after something related to the new Jedi order?
>>>
>>> I'm generally a bit afraid of Abrams/Disney purposefully leaving open ends in the movies to be able to sell even more SW books and comics than they already did with the EU.
>>
>>
>> I was so confused the first 15 minutes of the movie. I think is because Disney wants me to go buy some comic books. And the back story looks just interesting enough for me to go and do that.
>
> Shattered Empire has really good artwork but it only covers Poe's
> parents. Also Luke's horticultural interests.
Where's the comic about the Son of Porkins?!?!? That one has got to be coming out soon.
> Hanky Huckleberry
>
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| Re: Rey's Parents [message #306835 is a reply to message #306826] |
Thu, 24 December 2015 12:05 |
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Originally posted by: craigstelle
On Thursday, December 24, 2015 at 6:43:27 AM UTC-6, C'Pi wrote:
> On Thursday, December 24, 2015 at 3:46:01 AM UTC+8, nor...@googlegroups.com wrote:
>> On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 04:02:25 -0800 (PST), "C'Pi" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Monday, December 21, 2015 at 8:34:41 PM UTC+8, Oliver J. Hanau wrote:
>>>> Sandman:
>>>> > I hope it's somewhere in between. I.e. she may not be Skywalker
>>>> > bloodline, but her parents were special in some way, and Luke will
>>>> > turn out to know about them, and know why they left her etc etc.
>>>>
>>>> But what Maz says, 'It belonged to Luke Skywalker, and to his father before him. And now it's calling to you' (I'm paraphrasing) makes a strong point. As much as I would hate it.
>>>>
>>>> > Snope is a bit of a wild card here as well. Seeing how he's going to
>>>> > train Ren, he is also force sensitive, but seeing that he seems to be
>>>> > rather old, who is he?
>>>>
>>>> Why, Jar-Jar Binks, of course. (I'm kidding; but that reddit post *does* make a lot of good points.)
>>>>
>>>> > Is there an interesting backstory here, about how Snope rose to power
>>>> > after something related to the new Jedi order?
>>>>
>>>> I'm generally a bit afraid of Abrams/Disney purposefully leaving open ends in the movies to be able to sell even more SW books and comics than they already did with the EU.
>>>
>>>
>>> I was so confused the first 15 minutes of the movie. I think is because Disney wants me to go buy some comic books. And the back story looks just interesting enough for me to go and do that.
>>
>> Shattered Empire has really good artwork but it only covers Poe's
>> parents. Also Luke's horticultural interests.
>
> Where's the comic about the Son of Porkins?!?!? That one has got to be coming out soon.
SPOILER ALERT:
Porkins grandson is from Planet Bayyycon. His droid is a meatball, his weapon of choice is a greasy spatula. This force sensitive chef is on his quest to gain the extra 250 lbs needed to face his nemesis: the bounty hunter Gormand the Hutt.
-Muuurgh
>
>> Hanky Huckleberry
>>
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