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Classic Environment [message #17661] Sun, 30 September 2012 15:43 Go to next message
Les is currently offline  Les
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Hi all,
I wish to run Photoshop version 7 on my G4 Powerbook 17" running Os X
10.5.8, however Pshop will not install as the Classic Environment is
not present. My G5/1.8 dual proc is running OS x 10.4.11 and I have
no problem with PS 7. I understand this is to do with OS X 10.5 no
supporting Classic. I have my old OS9 and OS X 10.4 install discs but
not OS X 10.5. This is my plan: Clone the Powerbook via CCC to an
external drive, re-format and partition it, install OS9 or OS X 10.4
on one partition and OS X 10.5.8 from the clone on the other. Is this
feasible/prudent? Also, since the Powerbook HD is quite small, would
OS9 be a wiser choice than Tiger? My install discs for OS9 and Tiger
are retail versions from my desktop towers, will this be a factor?
Many thanks for insight.
Cheers, Les

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Re: Classic Environment [message #17662 is a reply to message #17661] Sun, 30 September 2012 15:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Sep 30, 2012, at 2:43 PM, Les wrote:

> I wish to run Photoshop version 7 on my G4 Powerbook 17" running Os

> X 10.5.8, however Pshop will not install as the Classic Environment

> is not present. My G5/1.8 dual proc is running OS x 10.4.11 and I

> have no problem with PS 7.


I'm no Photoshop expert, but I thought that Photoshop 7.0 and the
update 7.01 were "carbon" apps that ran in both Mac OS and also OS X
natively. I don't think you need the Classic environment to run
Photoshop 7.01 in OS X, is should launch within OS X natively I think?

Also, there's a special plugin for the G5 that allows the G5 to fully
use it's power with Photoshop 7.01:
< http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/detail.jsp?ftpID=2132>

I had a friend using Photoshop under OS X 10.5.8 on a 1.67GHz G4
AluBook, and he downgraded to 10.4.11 to get better response and speed
out of Photoshop, it was a significant speed-up, perhaps 30% using
10.4.11 instead of 10.5.8, so that's one reason you might still
consider downgrading, but I'm pretty certain Photoshop 7.01 should run
without MacOS or Classic needed.

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Re: Classic Environment [message #17663 is a reply to message #17662] Sun, 30 September 2012 17:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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> From: Kris Tilford <ktilford1@cox.net>

>

>

> I'm no Photoshop expert, but I thought that Photoshop 7.0 and the update 7.01 were "carbon" apps that ran in both Mac OS and also OS X natively. I don't think you need the Classic environment to run Photoshop 7.01 in OS X, is should launch within OS X natively I think?

>

> Also, there's a special plugin for the G5 that allows the G5 to fully use it's power with Photoshop 7.01:

> < http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/detail.jsp?ftpID=2132>

>

> I had a friend using Photoshop under OS X 10.5.8 on a 1.67GHz G4 AluBook, and he downgraded to 10.4.11 to get better response and speed out of Photoshop, it was a significant speed-up, perhaps 30% using 10.4.11 instead of 10.5.8, so that's one reason you might still consider downgrading, but I'm pretty certain Photoshop 7.01 should run without MacOS or Classic needed.

>


Photoshop 7.0 runs great under OS X 4.11 without Classic. I've run it in a number of G4's from a Sawtooth to an MDD and it is still in use in two G4 towers. Never even tried to run it in Classic. No experience with 10.5 but suspect it should work. Did not know about the 7.01 update but will check it out, thanks Kris --glen

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Re: Classic Environment [message #17684 is a reply to message #17663] Sun, 30 September 2012 20:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Il giorno 30-09-2012 23:42, glen ha scritto:

> Photoshop 7.0 runs great under OS X 4.11 without Classic.

AFAIK, some apps that are able to run both under Classic (OS9) and OSX,
allow to declare which one you prefer.
Maybe the PS7 that Les is trying to use, is set to run under Classic.

Get Info (File menu in Finder) on the PS7 icon, you should see in the middle
of the Info window an option like "Open in Classic environment": make sure
it's off, and try again.


Il giorno 30-09-2012 21:43, Les ha scritto:

> Also, since the Powerbook HD is quite small, would

> OS9 be a wiser choice than Tiger

An OS9 installation would be waaaay smaller than any OSX.

Besides, running an OS9 (Classic) app in "real" OS9 is usually faster than
running it inside Classic (Classic is an emulation, albeit a very good one,
and any emulation introduce slowdown).

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Re: Classic Environment [message #17685 is a reply to message #17661] Sun, 30 September 2012 20:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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>> I wish to run Photoshop version 7 on my G4 Powerbook 17" running Os

>> X 10.5.8, however Pshop will not install as the Classic Environment

>> is not present. My G5/1.8 dual proc is running OS x 10.4.11 and I

>> have no problem with PS 7.

>

> I'm no Photoshop expert, but I thought that Photoshop 7.0 and the

> update 7.01 were "carbon" apps that ran in both Mac OS and also OS X

> natively. I don't think you need the Classic environment to run

> Photoshop 7.01 in OS X, is should launch within OS X natively I think?


Yes, it runs just fine in 10.4.11 without Classic. It will *not* run on
10.5.8, however. It will also run on OS 9, though I usually prefer 5.5
there.

I prefer Photoshop 7.0.1 to any of the later CS releases because it is the
last Photoshop that doesn't require Adobe's ridiculous activation scheme.

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Re: Classic Environment [message #17701 is a reply to message #17685] Sun, 30 September 2012 22:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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umm now its been ages since i really messed with classic, but wasnt classic
removed from 10.5/.6/.7 ? i know it was from .7 as 10.7 was Intel Only thus
unable to run anything from PPC macs.

On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 8:55 PM, Cameron Kaiser <spectre@floodgap.com>wrote:

>>> I wish to run Photoshop version 7 on my G4 Powerbook 17" running Os

>>> X 10.5.8, however Pshop will not install as the Classic Environment

>>> is not present. My G5/1.8 dual proc is running OS x 10.4.11 and I

>>> have no problem with PS 7.

>>

>> I'm no Photoshop expert, but I thought that Photoshop 7.0 and the

>> update 7.01 were "carbon" apps that ran in both Mac OS and also OS X

>> natively. I don't think you need the Classic environment to run

>> Photoshop 7.01 in OS X, is should launch within OS X natively I think?

>

> Yes, it runs just fine in 10.4.11 without Classic. It will *not* run on

> 10.5.8, however. It will also run on OS 9, though I usually prefer 5.5

> there.

>

> I prefer Photoshop 7.0.1 to any of the later CS releases because it is the

> last Photoshop that doesn't require Adobe's ridiculous activation scheme.

>

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Re: Classic Environment [message #17705 is a reply to message #17661] Mon, 01 October 2012 01:46 Go to previous message
Cameron Kaiser is currently offline  Cameron Kaiser
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> umm now its been ages since i really messed with classic, but wasnt classic

> removed from 10.5/.6/.7 ? i know it was from .7 as 10.7 was Intel Only thus

> unable to run anything from PPC macs.


Classic was discontinued with 10.5. 10.4.11 is the last version of OS X to
support Classic.

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