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Whoites or Trekies? [message #114401] Tue, 17 September 2013 15:21 Go to next message
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Originally posted by: @RUTGERS.ARPA:sonia@aids-unix
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From: Sonia Schwartzberg 

As we were watching a Dr. Who episode last night, my friend wondered
aloud whether there were more Trekies or more Whoites, since Dr. Who has
been around for a longer span of time than Star Trek.  I told him I'd
post the question to this digest and see what people thought of the
difference in numbers between the fans of each of these series.  As a
more specific question, since Dr. Who is a BBC produced series, can we
assume that it has a greater following in England than does Star Trek?

Also, I asked a Who question some time ago which went something like
this "I've just seen my first Dr. Who episode and I have only one
question: how does she keep that hat on her head?", to which I recieved
a number of "'She' WHO?!?" replies.  I would like to comment that while
there are indeed a lot of women hanging around the TARDIS, I have yet to
see more than one with a hat balanced precariously on her head.  (To
those of you who responded "How about a hat pin", thanks, and I'll shut
up now...)


	S.Schwartzberg		arpa: sonia@aids-unix
Re: Whoites or Trekies? [message #114445 is a reply to message #114401] Tue, 17 September 2013 15:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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 munch... munch... >

In article <459@topaz.ARPA> @RUTGERS.ARPA:milne@uci-icse writes:
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>    I think you mean simply that "Dr. Who" is English.  I think it's actually
>    made by one of ITV's (Independent TeleVision) divisions, Lionheart.  ITV
>    is Britain's commercial network , though not nearly so commercial as the
>    North American ones.
>

    Wrong! Now lets get this straight once and for *all*. Dr  Who is made by 
 the BBC and has been for over twenty years , the first program being 
 broadcast in 1963 ( *Live* ).

I have never heard of an ITV division called Lionheart , but there used to be a
childrens T.V series of that name on ITV.

I hope this clears things up.

 == L.K.T

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Re: Whoites or Trekies? [message #114458 is a reply to message #114401] Tue, 17 September 2013 15:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: @RUTGERS.ARPA:milne@uci-icse
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From: Alastair Milne 


>    As we were watching a Dr. Who episode last night, my friend wondered
>    aloud whether there were more Trekies or more Whoites, since Dr. Who
>    has been around for a longer span of time than Star Trek.  I told
>    him I'd post the question to this digest and see what people thought
>    of the difference in numbers between the fans of each of these
>    series.  As a more specific question, since Dr. Who is a BBC
>    produced series, can we assume that it has a greater following in
>    England than does Star Trek?

    Hard to say.  I *hope* there are more for Dr. Who (tells you where my 
    sympathies lie), but given the spread of commerical television ....
    I think you mean simply that "Dr. Who" is English.  I think it's actually
    made by one of ITV's (Independent TeleVision) divisions, Lionheart.  ITV
    is Britain's commercial network , though not nearly so commercial as the
    North American ones.

    Greater popularity in England?  I would expect so, but I don't know.  I do
    know that there was a paper that used Daleks as a metaphor for something 
    terrible (my mother saw the headline over somebody's shoulder), so I 
    assume the influence is widely spread.  (If you don't know what Daleks
    are, just ask the net, then open your mailbox wide).

>    Also, I asked a Who question some time ago which went something like
>    this "I've just seen my first Dr. Who episode and I have only one
>    question: how does she keep that hat on her head?", to which I
>    recieved a number of "'She' WHO?!?" replies.  I would like to
>    comment that while there are indeed a lot of women hanging around
>    the TARDIS, I have yet to see more than one with a hat balanced
>    precariously on her head.  (To those of you who responded "How about
>    a hat pin", thanks, and I'll shut up now...)

   The only one of the Doctor's varied companions I remember who perched a hat
   on the back of her head was Romana (more properly Romanadvaradnalunda
   (sp?)) in her second generation (she was another Time Lord, or Time Lady,
   as the Doctor always said).  The hat had a very narrow string that went
   under her chin, and was essentially invisible unless you were looking for
   it.  A later episode shows it hanging by the string from a peg.

   I suspect the episode you saw was "City of Death", since that is the only
   one I remember where she wore that hat.  It was shot on location in Paris,
   with lots of marvellous scenery.  That episode was also noteable for having
   both Catherine Schell and John Cleese (separately; Cleese had a very quick,
   but very funny cameo toward the end).  The TARDIS had landed in a Left
   Bank art gallery, where it was curiously at home.  NOTE: as I mentioned in
   a previous message, DON'T judge these shows by their names.  "City of
   Death" is actually very good.

				Alastair Milne

     "How about a quick stagger up the Champs Elysees, and a bite at Maxim's?"
Re: Whoites or Trekies? [message #115527 is a reply to message #114401] Wed, 18 September 2013 18:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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   >As we were watching a Dr. Who episode last night, my friend wondered
   >aloud whether there were more Trekies or more Whoites, since Dr. Who has
   >been around for a longer span of time than Star Trek.  I told him I'd
   >post the question to this digest and see what people thought of the
   >difference in numbers between the fans of each of these series.  As a
   >more specific question, since Dr. Who is a BBC produced series, can we
   >assume that it has a greater following in England than does Star Trek?
      [Sonia Schwartzberg ]

I haven't seen the TV ratings recently, but I think that Dr. Who has a much
bigger following than Trek here in England, mostly because new episodes are
being made and will continue to be for the forseeable future.  The BBC are
currently re-running Trek but I find I can remember the plots almost word
for word - my loyalty to a show wanes after I've seen all the episodes half
a dozen times!

Also an eccentric character like Dr Who is far more interesting than all the
military types in Star Trek.

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Re: Whoites or Trekies? [message #115572 is a reply to message #114401] Wed, 18 September 2013 18:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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>   I think you mean simply that "Dr. Who" is English.  I think it's actually
>   made by one of ITV's (Independent TeleVision) divisions, Lionheart.  ITV
>   is Britain's commercial network , though not nearly so commercial as the
>   North American ones.

"Dr. Who" is produced and run by the British Broadcasting Corporation.
I am English so I should know, I also watch it every Saturday and
watch Star Trek every Wednesday.

			Dave (Maths @ Warwick University, UK)
Re: Whoites or Trekies? [message #115668 is a reply to message #114401] Wed, 18 September 2013 18:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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From: Alastair Milne 


>    > I think you mean simply that "Dr. Who" is English.  I think it's
>    > actually made by one of ITV's (Independent TeleVision) divisions,
>    > Lionheart.  ITV is Britain's commercial network , though not
>    > nearly so commercial as the North American ones.

>    "Dr. Who" is produced and run by the British Broadcasting
>    Corporation.  I am English so I should know, I also watch it every
>    Saturday and watch Star Trek every Wednesday.

>                            Dave (Maths @ Warwick University, UK)

-----------------

   Doesn't your mail system show the headers?  One look at the "From: "
field should have told you I'm Scottish (though I don't live in the UK).

   I was afraid somebody would see that message before I got around to 
correcting it (which I already have).  I was confused temporarily because 
I had been reading an article about ITV's various successes ("The Avengers",
"Upstairs, Downstairs", etc.) and I thought Dr. Who was from one of their
companies.  Not true, of course: Dr. Who is BBC.

   I've stopped watching Star Trek.  I know the episodes too well, and I 
prefer the format from the movies.  The old Enterprise looks boxy and 
clunky to me now, and the uniforms remind me of track suits more than anything
else.

				Alastair Milne

   PS.  Is it BBC who shows Star Trek, and if so, how does it look without
	adverts?
Re: Whoites or Trekies? [message #117403 is a reply to message #114401] Mon, 23 September 2013 18:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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>    PS.  Is it BBC who shows Star Trek, and if so, how does it look without
> 	adverts?
> 				Alastair Milne

  It is indeed the good old Beeb that shows Star Trek, and it looks good
without the adverts. I do not like any formats (over here) which break away
from the programme immediately after the opening credits, for the adverts.
( Not to mention the 17 minutes of adverts per hour )
  Even worse it the "excutive producer cut" at the end of the programme, where
the credits for the afore mentioned person, are shown followed by adverts,
only to go back to the programme to show the rest of the credits. Sorry to go
on but that really BUGS me.

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Re: Whoites or Trekies? [message #117616 is a reply to message #114401] Mon, 23 September 2013 18:25 Go to previous message
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In article <459@topaz.ARPA> @RUTGERS.ARPA:milne@uci-icse writes:

>    I think you mean simply that "Dr. Who" is English.  I think it's actually
>    made by one of ITV's (Independent TeleVision) divisions, Lionheart.  ITV
>    is Britain's commercial network , though not nearly so commercial as the
>    North American ones.

NO NO !!
Dr. Who is made by the BBC which is definitely not commercial. There
are certainly are commercial spinoffs - any number of paperbacks, comics,
toys and videos (I doubt if there are any in NTSC format though).
You can tell its not commercial because there are no climaxes to hold
you over the break.. We get Startrek without any adverts and its easy to
tell when they should come, suddenly you realize Kirk is trapped, fade ...

>    Greater popularity in England?  I would expect so, but I don't know.  
Yes - most people I know watch regularly, there are cons regularly, and
both pro and fanzines.



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