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In this issue:
	Re: WTB: Ys I&II Complete
	Turbo Music
	Re: WTB: Ys I&II Complete
	Re: In Defense of Shadow of the Beast...
	Re: In Defense of Shadow of the Beast...
	Re: In Defense of Shadow of the Beast...
	Re: MagFest
	FA: Brand New PC-FX console and PC-FX GA
	re: turbo music

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From: Wedgerog1@aol.com
Date: Tue Oct 22 09:10:51 EDT 2002
Subject: Re: WTB: Ys I&II Complete


I have y's book 1+2 but I don't know what the difference is between that and
the complete version. The one i have is also in english. Im pretty sure
anyone who likes rpg's and has the turbocd or duo has that one. I also have
cosmic fantasy 2. I have yet to play either of them however, still working
on kingdom hearts for the ps2. =)

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From: eviladam@eviladam.com
Date: Tue Oct 22 09:20:34 EDT 2002
Subject: Turbo Music


Hey people,
    Please don't knock this email im sending out to all of you right now as
an advertisement (another list did that) because I have a GENUINE question,
and obviously have been posting to this list the last couple days.
    Turbo Music: Its got to be out there. I want it, need it, and have the
urge to remake some of it. I was wondering if any of you have or know if any
mp3s or cds from some of the more mainstream turbo US titles are available.
I'm in a band here in Jersey City, NJ called Evil Adam and in the past I
have remade some music from Starcraft and an ancient PC game called Demon
Stalkers. I've been wanting to give my hand at some of the music from
Blazing Lasers, Bonk, Legendary Axe and the RPG portion of Final Lap Twin,
among othes, but the only stuff I have found have been pretty poor quality
MID files here and there. Since i usually like to learn the song listening
to it straight off my computer where I record (not that close to where my
duo is) having a cd or mp3 of the songs would be infinitely helpful!
    If anyone has any suggestions or files or cds they could send to me,
trade, or sell, please let me know! I use kazzaa, aim, and have ftp space
that it could be uploaded to or it could just even be emailed. Please
respond to me here or you can message me on AIM at "Evil Adam"
Thanks,
Evil Adam
http://www.eviladam.com
http://www.mp3.com/eviladam



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From: Wedgerog1@aol.com
Date: Tue Oct 22 11:57:51 EDT 2002
Subject: Re: WTB: Ys I&II Complete


Ys I & II Complete is a PC version of Ys that Falcom released recently.  The 
graphics are very, VERY good...some of the best 2D stuff I've ever seen.  If 
you want to check it out, go to Falcom's homepage (www.falcom.com).  This 
will be the first time we've seen an Ys game in the US since the Turbo Grafx, 
no?  Oh, and the first four episodes of the Ys anime come out on DVD today!

-Joe R.

<< I have y's book 1+2 but I don't know what the difference is between that 
and
 the complete version. The one i have is also in english. Im pretty sure
 anyone who likes rpg's and has the turbocd or duo has that one. I also have
 cosmic fantasy 2. I have yet to play either of them however, still working
 on kingdom hearts for the ps2. =) >>



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From: derrick@mdg.ca
Date: Tue Oct 22 13:13:42 EDT 2002
Subject: Re: In Defense of Shadow of the Beast...



 >  Man,
 >    you absolutely are tearing this game up!  it's a little bit of an unfair
 >  treatment.  yes, there are some level design oddities but

but that's the point who here feels that a game should be more than good
graphics and sound? Look at the playstation, great use of cd tech (ie sound
and graphics) but so many of the games are unfun/boring to play.
some of the best games have ethier an addictive quality to them or a
compleing story shadow has neither!

 >  but the rest of the game is very well done and it just looks so sharp.
really
 >  crisp graphics.  the backgrounds are so nicely polished.

how many times have we read a review that says "great graphics and sound but
after you get past that there is nothing left to keep you playing" it's like
a cake that looks great on the outside lots of icing, but the cake is hallow
theres' NOTHING GOOD  INSIDE! We need to complain when games like this are
made so the publishers can (hopefully please god hopefully) learn from thier
mistakes so we can get games like splatterhouse, Ys, metal gear solid,
Half-life! Not shadow of the beast, the sega cd make your own video series,
or plumbers don't wear ties (man that last one was BAD)

does that mean i'll play a game with losey graphics? well yes if the
gameplay is easy enough to learn and is compelling i would

 >     i say, if the game is $25 or $30 you should get it!  it's a definate
 >  challenge without the cheat code but it can be beaten.

what?? really you did i don't beleieve it !! :)

Underware man



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From: endymion@inviolate.com
Date: Tue Oct 22 13:36:44 EDT 2002
Subject: Re: In Defense of Shadow of the Beast...



To anybody who cares--Shadow Of The Beast is a good game.

Contrary to Derrick's opinion, I actually do not find Shadow Of The 
Beast's graphics to be so wonderful. They are very good. But it is not 
an orgasm for the eyes. Shadow Of The Beast was originally designed for 
the Amiga computer, where it was seen as a trendsetter, and it truly 
was. Its parallax became the gold standard, for that computer and for 
other consoles as well, although it was quickly improved upon I will 
admit, Shadow Of The Beast was one of the first to do the things it 
does very, very well. Not just the graphics, but the gameplay. The 
gameplay of Shadow Of The Beast is not at all dissimilar to Impossible 
Mission, items to find, purposes to learn, all for the sake of 
completing the game. Its gameplay is superb. It is simple. It is a 
thing easily accomplished. It is, however, extremely well thought out, 
and it is also very, very difficult. Those things do not ordinarily 
coexist at all. Simplicity almost by definition begs ease of play, and 
fine-tuned gameplay is often associated with a game that allows you to 
blow through stages quickly. But Shadow Of The Beast takes your 
expectations of the good and associates them with other good traits.

Shadow Of The Beast exists across a schism, one which Derrick does not, 
I believe, enjoy moving over. Shadow Of The Beast is very European. It 
is a platform game that incorporates quest as much as an RPG, and yet 
does it on a platform game's terms. In my opinion, Shadow Of The Beast 
on the Duo is absolutely the best version of the game, for no other 
reason than it is a showcase of the best technology at work. And yes, 
I'm saying that the graphics are the best of all versions on the Duo. 
(Again, in my opinion.) I am not, however, saying that they are the 
best graphics, effects, animation or et cetera that you will see 
considering all of your potential Turbo library, but to brush Shadow 
aside as crap without reservation is to miss a great deal of what's 
going on in this game. Rarely has any game been so well at so much and 
still be so different in the process. To the Sonic-weaned player, 
powering up with other Japanese inspired thematic mascots, Shadow is 
all at once too cerebral and too action-oriented. There aren't quite as 
many games that will frustrate as much as entertain. (I did say it's 
hard, didn't I?) I wouldn't dream of recommending anyone steer clear. 
It takes a certain character to get into it, but it may only require a 
mood. The kind where you know you're ready to close the shades and turn 
off the ringer for the afternoon, until you learn to unlearn.

Shadow Of The Beast has a lot of fans, and that's my opinion as to why.

~Alek


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From: derrick@mdg.ca
Date: Tue Oct 22 15:04:19 EDT 2002
Subject: Re: In Defense of Shadow of the Beast...



 > 
 >  To anybody who cares--Shadow Of The Beast is a good game.

i never said it was terrible just not worth 25.00 us toi buy escepically it
is avaible on some many other systems for a lot cheaper

and as to it's age i have game for my 8-bit nintendo with worse graphics
that i would rather and still do play (zelda, swords and serpents, contra)

but before we continue this flme war any further i have to admit i haven't
played the game in 5 yrs maybe more i'll go back to it tonight and maybe we
can talk more about this tommorow

Underware man



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From: bigjoeroy@ivwnet.com
Date: Tue Oct 22 15:42:28 EDT 2002
Subject: Re: MagFest


Unfortunately I was only there for Saturday but I had a great time. They 
had three big screen TVs setup for the current systems playing Halo/DOA3 
for xbox, super monkeyball/super smash bros. for gamecube and some 2d 
fighting game for PS2.

Implode was set up for play most of the day.  They also had an Implode 
tournament but I didn't get to play.  I heard somebody had Lords of 
Thunder in the Duo earlier in the day but didn't see it.

That was mostly it for the Turbo related stuff except for Pacland and 
Ghouls & Ghosts arcade machines and a few Super Cds for sale in the 
dealer area.

I did get to play in the Saturn Bomberman tournament which was pretty 
cool.  But we only went up to 6 players at a time instead of 10.  6 was 
still pretty insane!

The highlight of the day for me was the bands in the evening.  They all 
rocked.

I have a few pictures I'll try to put up tonight although they're pretty 
lousy.
Also check here for pictures:
http://clickass.org/~tgz/pix/magfest/

duo16@mindspring.com wrote:

 > Oh man, i wanted to go to that so badly.  i think that next year, if possible,
 > it should be held in a more metropolitan area thus making it more accessible
 > to more people.  anyway, i'd like to know all about what went on there so feel
 > free to email me privately or just post to the List.  welcome back list!
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > 
 >   
 > 



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From: kaijen@cs.utexas.edu
Date: Tue Oct 22 20:14:13 EDT 2002
Subject: FA: Brand New PC-FX console and PC-FX GA



Dear All,

I have the following for auction:

Brand new PC-FX console, of course all items
included.

Brand new PC-FX GA Board, this is used for game
dev, only works on NEC PC-98 series of computers.

If interested, please email me for details.

thanks

kai



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From: duo16@mindspring.com
Date: Wed Oct 23 01:22:18 EDT 2002
Subject: re: turbo music


hey there,
        i'm in jersey too!  just outside of ocean city and atlantic city.  i'm
in a band too but our gig season ended with the summer.  maybe we'll check you
guys out sometime.  anyway, the best way i know of getting turbo cd music is
to run it through a regular cd burner and copy the tracks then pop them into a
computer and convert them to mp3.  if there is anything in particular you need
i may be able to help even though i'm a bit busy these days. take it easy,
       george

ps- there are some cd's that have the audio locked off for some reason.  i
don't know why but there are plenty out there (and saturn games as well) which
can just be popped in to a cd player and most burners and played.

Hey people,
    Please don't knock this email im sending out to all of you right now as
an advertisement (another list did that) because I have a GENUINE question,
and obviously have been posting to this list the last couple days.
    Turbo Music: Its got to be out there. I want it, need it, and have the
urge to remake some of it. I was wondering if any of you have or know if any
mp3s or cds from some of the more mainstream turbo US titles are available.
I'm in a band here in Jersey City, NJ called Evil Adam and in the past I
have remade some music from Starcraft and an ancient PC game called Demon
Stalkers. I've been wanting to give my hand at some of the music from
Blazing Lasers, Bonk, Legendary Axe and the RPG portion of Final Lap Twin,
among othes, but the only stuff I have found have been pretty poor quality
MID files here and there. Since i usually like to learn the song listening
to it straight off my computer where I record (not that close to where my
duo is) having a cd or mp3 of the songs would be infinitely helpful!
    If anyone has any suggestions or files or cds they could send to me,
trade, or sell, please let me know! I use kazzaa, aim, and have ftp space
that it could be uploaded to or it could just even be emailed. Please
respond to me here or you can message me on AIM at "Evil Adam"
Thanks,
Evil Adam
http://www.eviladam.com
http://www.mp3.com/eviladam
 
 

 



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