 Paid cosplayers. [message #32565] |
Thu, 10 January 2013 11:09  |
Bobby Clark
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At the last Anime Fest in Dallas, I noticed an odd cosplayer. She was
cosplaying as an older character, and over the course of the con
stayed in the common area of the second floor. I never saw her
anywhere other than that common area. I wondered at that time if she
was promoting the series. Turns out that might have been a corect
assumption. While at ALA this past weekend, I talked with a cosplayer
who told me that she was aproached by one of the larger companys to
promote specific series at local cons in the Southland. She was
compensated to apear at specific cons and hang around in the common
areas. Aparently they pick locals and are after specific costumes to
promote awareness of a series and stimulate DVD / Blue ray sales.
Its a little bit disapointing to have confimed that this is going on.
Bobby
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| Re: Paid cosplayers. [message #38083 is a reply to message #38018] |
Mon, 18 February 2013 12:39  |
Inu-Yasha
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On 2/17/2013 9:43 PM, Bobby Clark wrote:
>
> "Stainless Steel Rat" <ratinox@gweep.net> wrote in message
> news:kfmjhv$urc$1@speranza.aioe.org...
>> On Fri, 15 Feb 2013 16:37:33 -0600, Bobby Clark wrote:
>>
>>> How so?
>>
>> TL;DR version: dot wrote "less pure"; you agreed. That's elitism.
>
> I don't think so. Another aspect is that its a comercial effort and
> attempt at generating interest in a property.
> In the case of a North American Anime company, its done to increase
> sales. Its unethical behavior by the company if they are
> hiding that from the consumer. Especialy in the case of pro costumes
> that are not made by the cosplayer. In some cases, its clear
> I have been lied to by those cosplayers to hide the employment.
>
> Bobby
>
>>
>> --
>> \m/ (--) \m/
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Bobby, I am not a con attendee, but I agree with you. I always thought
that cos-players were individual people Who like an anime so much they
wanted to 'play' like a character from the anime, and they made their
costumes/makeup them selves. A person who is hired by a company to wear
a costume, or pretend to be a character from an anime were employee's of
the company and were not doing this on their own at their own expense.
Pretending otherwise is misrepresentation. My posting signature is an
example, I like Rumiko Takahashi's "Inu-Yasha" anime and manga, so I
used it in my sig, not pretending to be anything other than a member of
a fan base.
Inu-Yasha
Feh!! ^_^
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| Re: Paid cosplayers. [message #38085 is a reply to message #38084] |
Mon, 18 February 2013 16:39 |
Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoo
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On 2/18/13 3:56 PM, Stainless Steel Rat wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Feb 2013 12:39:54 -0500, Inu-Yasha wrote:
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>> Bobby, I am not a con attendee, but I agree with you. I always thought
>> that cos-players were individual people Who like an anime so much they
>> wanted to 'play' like a character from the anime, and they made their
>> costumes/makeup them selves.
>
> As a matter of fact, no, they're not. Craftsman and master costumers don't
> always wear the costumes that they make. Sometimes they do wear their
> work, and sometimes they make costumes for particular individuals.
>
> The dedicated fan of a particular show or character wearing just the one
> costume doesn't exist at the higher levels of craftsmanship. A costumer
> doesn't get past the journeyman category without a variety of exceptional
> costumes each of which requires a tremendous amount of effort to create.
>
And "tremendous amount of effort" generally excludes people in certain
walks of life. I, personally, don't have the time, nor the skills, to
make costumes anywhere near what seems to be the norm these days. The
costumes I, and the group I belonged to, used to win "Best in Show" in
three separate conventions, wouldn't even get looked at today.
If I ever go somewhere to do Cosplay, I'll have to pay a friend of
mine, who has been a pro costume designer for over 20 years, to make my
costume, because I simply can't do it -- not with a full-time job, 4
kids, and a secondary career.
--
Sea Wasp
/^\
;;;
Website: http://www.grandcentralarena.com Blog:
http://seawasp.livejournal.com
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| Re: Paid cosplayers. [message #38140 is a reply to message #38082] |
Tue, 19 February 2013 03:49 |
Bobby Clark
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"Stainless Steel Rat" <ratinox@gweep.net> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 17 Feb 2013 20:43:24 -0600, Bobby Clark wrote:
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>> In the case of a North American Anime company, its done to increase
>> sales. Its unethical behavior by the company if they are hiding
>> that
>> from the consumer.
>
> No, it isn't. The reason is simple: the model is not the product
> being
> sold. Nor is the model's costume. The product is the videos that the
> company wants to sell. This product, the videos, is not being
> misrepresented. Thus the advertising gimmick is not unethical.
You miss the point. At a con the number and type of a particlar
costume, has a direct connection to whats popular. Thus, if a company
is manuipulating the populary of a show with out representing it as
such, its unethical.
Bobby
>
> --
> \m/ (--) \m/
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| Re: Paid cosplayers. [message #38141 is a reply to message #38084] |
Tue, 19 February 2013 03:56 |
Bobby Clark
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"Stainless Steel Rat" <ratinox@gweep.net> wrote in message
news:kfu4ik$qnn$1@speranza.aioe.org...
> On Mon, 18 Feb 2013 12:39:54 -0500, Inu-Yasha wrote:
>
>> Bobby, I am not a con attendee, but I agree with you. I always
>> thought
>> that cos-players were individual people Who like an anime so much
>> they
>> wanted to 'play' like a character from the anime, and they made
>> their
>> costumes/makeup them selves.
>
> As a matter of fact, no, they're not. Craftsman and master costumers
> don't
> always wear the costumes that they make. Sometimes they do wear
> their
> work, and sometimes they make costumes for particular individuals.
I have seen this at con's in the DFW area. We have a guy that comes
out who was part of a ice show for years.
He is a master costumer and wears his own creations and makes them for
others. His stuff is first rate and
I know when I see him in costume, its a work of love. When I see
someone wearing his work, I dont' think badly of them, however
when asked those people tell me who made the costume and know
something about what they are wearing.
When I have talked to some of the paid cosplayers, its clear they
don't know much about what they are wearing or anything at all.
Bobby
>
> The dedicated fan of a particular show or character wearing just the
> one
> costume doesn't exist at the higher levels of craftsmanship. A
> costumer
> doesn't get past the journeyman category without a variety of
> exceptional
> costumes each of which requires a tremendous amount of effort to
> create.
>
> --
> \m/ (--) \m/
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| Re: Paid cosplayers. [message #38143 is a reply to message #38085] |
Tue, 19 February 2013 04:06 |
Bobby Clark
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"Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote in
message news:kfu703$85t$1@dont-email.me...
> On 2/18/13 3:56 PM, Stainless Steel Rat wrote:
>> On Mon, 18 Feb 2013 12:39:54 -0500, Inu-Yasha wrote:
>>
>>> Bobby, I am not a con attendee, but I agree with you. I always
>>> thought
>>> that cos-players were individual people Who like an anime so much
>>> they
>>> wanted to 'play' like a character from the anime, and they made
>>> their
>>> costumes/makeup them selves.
>>
>> As a matter of fact, no, they're not. Craftsman and master
>> costumers don't
>> always wear the costumes that they make. Sometimes they do wear
>> their
>> work, and sometimes they make costumes for particular individuals.
>>
>> The dedicated fan of a particular show or character wearing just
>> the one
>> costume doesn't exist at the higher levels of craftsmanship. A
>> costumer
>> doesn't get past the journeyman category without a variety of
>> exceptional
>> costumes each of which requires a tremendous amount of effort to
>> create.
>>
>
> And "tremendous amount of effort" generally excludes people in
> certain walks of life. I, personally, don't have the time, nor the
> skills, to make costumes anywhere near what seems to be the norm
> these days. The costumes I, and the group I belonged to, used to win
> "Best in Show" in three separate conventions, wouldn't even get
> looked at today.
>
> If I ever go somewhere to do Cosplay, I'll have to pay a friend of
> mine, who has been a pro costume designer for over 20 years, to make
> my costume, because I simply can't do it -- not with a full-time
> job, 4 kids, and a secondary career.
I do apreciate that. My wife wears costumes I purchase in Japan.
However when she is asked,
she will freely tell where it came from and that it was not home made.
Bobby
>
>
> --
> Sea Wasp
> /^\
> ;;; Website: http://www.grandcentralarena.com
> Blog: http://seawasp.livejournal.com
>
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| Re: Paid cosplayers. [message #38144 is a reply to message #38083] |
Tue, 19 February 2013 04:30 |
Bobby Clark
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"Inu-Yasha" <tjardine@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
news:5122676A.7010603@cfl.rr.com...
> On 2/17/2013 9:43 PM, Bobby Clark wrote:
>>
>> "Stainless Steel Rat" <ratinox@gweep.net> wrote in message
>> news:kfmjhv$urc$1@speranza.aioe.org...
>>> On Fri, 15 Feb 2013 16:37:33 -0600, Bobby Clark wrote:
>>>
>>>> How so?
>>>
>>> TL;DR version: dot wrote "less pure"; you agreed. That's elitism.
>>
>> I don't think so. Another aspect is that its a comercial effort
>> and
>> attempt at generating interest in a property.
>> In the case of a North American Anime company, its done to increase
>> sales. Its unethical behavior by the company if they are
>> hiding that from the consumer. Especialy in the case of pro
>> costumes
>> that are not made by the cosplayer. In some cases, its clear
>> I have been lied to by those cosplayers to hide the employment.
>>
>> Bobby
>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> \m/ (--) \m/
>>
> Bobby, I am not a con attendee, but I agree with you. I always
> thought that cos-players were individual people Who like an anime so
> much they wanted to 'play' like a character from the anime, and they
> made their costumes/makeup them selves.
Those are the best folks to meet up with. A few years ago I was at a
con with
2 Sakuras. A first season and a second season. The costumes were not
perfect,
but very very good. But if they had not had a costume, we might have
never talked.
Taking about how they made parts of the costume and then the show was
great fun.
I have met many who just love the show and buy a costume or who were
unable to
make it them selves. Those folks freely admit where they got it.
Some add detials and
they point those out. I met a Miku who added to her store costume,
making it into
something very special. She was proud of all the points she had added
to
the outfit and rightly so.
Bobby
> A person who is hired by a company to wear a costume, or pretend to
> be a character from an anime were employee's of the company and were
> not doing this on their own at their own expense. Pretending
> otherwise is misrepresentation. My posting signature is an example,
> I like Rumiko Takahashi's "Inu-Yasha" anime and manga, so I used it
> in my sig, not pretending to be anything other than a member of a fan
> base.
>
> Inu-Yasha
> Feh!! ^_^
>
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| Re: Paid cosplayers. [message #38232 is a reply to message #32565] |
Tue, 19 February 2013 11:22 |
Stainless Steel Rat
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On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 02:49:03 -0600, Bobby Clark wrote:
> You miss the point. At a con the number and type of a particlar
> costume, has a direct connection to whats popular. Thus, if a company
> is manuipulating the populary of a show with out representing it as
> such, its unethical.
Dude, all advertising is attempts to manipulate the popularity of the
products being advertised. It's not unethical if the product being
advertised is not misrepresented.
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