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 Re: AI for CBM? [message #187505 is a reply to message #187456] |
Sat, 29 December 2007 19:21   |
Rick Youngman
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On Dec 29, 7:56 am, "maspethro...@aol.com" <maspethro...@aol.com>
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> I am curious: are there any projects in Artificial Intelligence
> available for the Commodore 64 and 128? I'd like to see one.
Quite a while ago there was a lady who used to be on the net a lot and
also the BBs scene.
I think her name was Eliza .. you might do a google search for her,
and look for one of her files, as she is sure to help you with all the
questions you are posting about C=ommodore stuff.
=== I have to do a jaw drop, to think that anyone in thier right mind
can believe in the idea of "Artificial Intellegence"
# 1 look at the statement ( it's ARTIFICIAL !! ) << that means
"someone" created it ! >>
# 2 computer are not intellegent ..... they are totally stupid, and
you have to tell them what to do, by programing them to do what you
want them to do in a "language" they understand < and said "language"
was programed by someone else probably so you can input information
into your stupid computer>
#3 Computer's DO "remember" things, as long as the memory doesn't
fail ( bad rom chip, crashed program ect.)... there for, the idea of
an "intellegent" computer become's the object of many debate's
but all the "buzz" is nothing more than a myth and a fantasy.......
because SOMEONE, has to program the memory itself.
And no computer is capable of "artificial intellegence"
Reeko
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| Re: AI for CBM? [message #187514 is a reply to message #187505] |
Sat, 29 December 2007 21:01 |
christianlott1
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>> http://noname.c64.org/csdb/release/?id=3540
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> Looks pretty good. I remember playing a similar game in high school
> on the Macintosh. What's the theory behind this? What is it for?
check out:
http://www.mirekw.com/ca/index.html
cellular automata.
On Dec 29, 6:21 pm, Rick Youngman <wl...@commspeed.net> wrote:
> === I have to do a jaw drop, to think that anyone in thier right mind
> can believe in the idea of "Artificial Intellegence"
>
> # 1 look at the statement ( it's ARTIFICIAL !! ) << that means
> "someone" created it ! >>
>
> # 2 computer are not intellegent ..... they are totally stupid, and
> you have to tell them what to do, by programing them to do what you
> want them to do in a "language" they understand < and said "language"
> was programed by someone else probably so you can input information
> into your stupid computer>
sounds like people.
> #3 Computer's DO "remember" things, as long as the memory doesn't
> fail ( bad rom chip, crashed program ect.)... there for, the idea of
> an "intellegent" computer become's the object of many debate's
>
> but all the "buzz" is nothing more than a myth and a fantasy.......
> because SOMEONE, has to program the memory itself.
>
> And no computer is capable of "artificial intellegence"
i disagree. they say the human brain uses only 10% of it's resources.
most PCs use only 10% of their resources or less on average.
hypothesis finding is a very important factor in intelligence. drawing
corollaries and testing hypothesis (ie building models) is what
defines intelligence. look up semiotics. the process of making models
can be modeled. now look up 'abductive reasoning'.
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| Re: AI for CBM? [message #187527 is a reply to message #187505] |
Sun, 30 December 2007 08:18 |
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Originally posted by: maspethrose7@aol.com
On Dec 29, 7:21 pm, Rick Youngman <wl...@commspeed.net> wrote:
> On Dec 29, 7:56 am, "maspethro...@aol.com" <maspethro...@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I am curious: are there any projects in Artificial Intelligence
>> available for the Commodore 64 and 128? I'd like to see one.
>
> Quite a while ago there was a lady who used to be on the net a lot and
> also the BBs scene.
>
> I think her name was Eliza .. you might do a google search for her,
> and look for one of her files, as she is sure to help you with all the
> questions you are posting about C=ommodore stuff.
>
I'll look for it.
> === I have to do a jaw drop, to think that anyone in thier right mind
> can believe in the idea of "Artificial Intellegence"
>
I believe in it. Just not now.
> # 1 look at the statement ( it's ARTIFICIAL !! ) << that means
> "someone" created it ! >>
>
Does it matter?
> # 2 computer are not intellegent ..... they are totally stupid, and
> you have to tell them what to do, by programing them to do what you
> want them to do in a "language" they understand < and said "language"
> was programed by someone else probably so you can input information
> into your stupid computer>
>
That's true. But don't you havew to tell children what to do and what
not to do?
> #3 Computer's DO "remember" things, as long as the memory doesn't
> fail ( bad rom chip, crashed program ect.)... there for, the idea of
> an "intellegent" computer become's the object of many debate's
>
> but all the "buzz" is nothing more than a myth and a fantasy.......
> because SOMEONE, has to program the memory itself.
>
Humankind couldn't have just happened.... Of course, that's for
religious debate.
> And no computer is capable of "artificial intellegence"
>
They are, but to a limit.
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| Re: AI for CBM? [message #187559 is a reply to message #187527] |
Sun, 30 December 2007 09:16 |
Marc 'BlackJack' Rint
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Registered: July 2003
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On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 05:18:40 -0800, maspethrose7@aol.com wrote:
> On Dec 29, 7:21 pm, Rick Youngman <wl...@commspeed.net> wrote:
>> On Dec 29, 7:56 am, "maspethro...@aol.com" <maspethro...@aol.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> # 2 computer are not intellegent ..... they are totally stupid, and
>> you have to tell them what to do, by programing them to do what you
>> want them to do in a "language" they understand < and said "language"
>> was programed by someone else probably so you can input information
>> into your stupid computer>
>>
>
> That's true. But don't you havew to tell children what to do and what
> not to do?
Not in a way you have a computer to tell things. Children are able to
reflect what they do, what consequences this has; can think of what they
might do and what consequences that might have and then try it and learn
from the experience.
Human beings learn from errors and are able to do all sorts of errors.
Computers can only operate with the rules you give them. You can tell
them to make errors too, but those again are restricted by the rules you
gave them how to make errors. This way they can't invent or learn
something that's not already implicated by the rule system they know.
Ciao,
Marc 'BlackJack' Rintsch
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| Re: AI for CBM? [message #187680 is a reply to message #187637] |
Mon, 31 December 2007 07:39 |
Harry Potter
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On Dec 31, 3:35 am, dow...@webtv.net (bud) wrote:
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> A program I got recently, (but haven't tried yet) is ELF (Easy Language
> Format) by Codewriter (Speedwriter?). It purports to ask some
> questions, and write BASIC code according to one's answers.
>
Is it available on the internet? If so, where?
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