Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!wuarchive!texbell!vector!telecom-gateway From: john@zygot.ati.com (John Higdon) Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom Subject: Re: Sleazy Touch-Tone Marketing Tactics Message-ID:Date: 28 Sep 89 10:07:39 GMT Sender: news@vector.Dallas.TX.US Organization: Green Hills and Cows Lines: 58 Approved: telecom-request@vector.dallas.tx.us X-Submissions-To: telecom@eecs.nwu.edu X-Administrivia-To: telecom-request@vector.dallas.tx.us X-TELECOM-Digest: volume 9, issue 417, message 2 of 9 Years ago, one of my clients had a Stromberg E120 connected to a #5 crossbar exchange. Somehow the trunks went in without touchtone specified and as a result the customer was not paying for it, but in this particular office tone service could not be denied (apparently there were no originating registers not tone receiver equipped). Their bookkeeper called me one day to complain that suddenly the basic rate had gone up and wanted me to look into it. I was told by Pacific Telephone that one of their "agents" had gone through the building looking for businesses that were using touchtone and not paying for it and had spotted the TT phones in my client's suite. I told them that since those phones were connected to a PBX that it was possible that the customer's switch could be doing tone-to-pulse conversion and that simply tacking charges onto the bill based upon visual inspection was very sleazy. In fact, I told them such was the case (I lied) and demanded that the charges be removed immediately. They asked for assurance that absolutely no tones were being sent over the lines. I refused and told them to simply "remove the touch tone service". They warned me that if they did and the customer was indeed using tones to dial calls, then their calls would no longer go through. I acknowledged that and again asked to have the service removed. It finally came down to the fact they couldn't "remove" the service. At this point I told them that my client wasn't going to pay for something "extra" that PacTel was forced to provide for everyone anyway. My final position was that if they were providing a "cost extra" service and we didn't pay for it, then take it away. But we weren't going to pay. Apparently, the tariffs were written in such a way to allow me to get away with this tactic. I had PacTel over a barrel and they knew it. Then a supervisor said that when they cut over to new equipment, they *would* be able to deny touchtone and that my client would be screwed. I countered that we would pay for it *then*. As it turned out, years later when they cut crossbar offices to electronic, they would send out notices that in essence indicated that if you had touchtone equipment and were not subscribing to the service that you would have to start subscribing and paying or have your calls not go through. It is interesting to note that this particular exchange is still crossbar to this day but unfortunately my client moved into an ESS office and now has to pay for touchtone. John Higdon | P. O. Box 7648 | +1 408 723 1395 john@zygot.ati.com | San Jose, CA 95150 | M o o ! [Moderator's Note: I am reminded of when the 312-856 exchange went from crossbar to ESS. In 1969, the only customer on 856 was the Amoco Oil Credit Card Office here, when the prefix was opened for them with their new centrex service, serving about 2000 lines. All the phones were touchtone. Over one weekend in 1974, that office was converted to ESS. Monday morning, about half the phones in the place could not dial out. Unlike merely a change in polarity, where the buttons do not sound their tones, this time the tones sounded alright, they just wouldn't cut the dial tone! With some feverish effort, everything was properly working by Tuesday morning. And the funny thing was, Amoco *was* paying for touchtone on all the lines, but the CO records were wrong! PT]