Xref: utzoo comp.sys.mac:39054 comp.sys.mac.programmer:9305 Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!wuarchive!gem.mps.ohio-state.edu!apple!apple.com!chewy From: chewy@apple.com (Paul Snively) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac,comp.sys.mac.programmer Subject: Re: Todd Rundgren's Macintosh OS Message-ID: <4399@internal.Apple.COM> Date: 27 Sep 89 16:31:41 GMT References: <16409@brunix.UUCP> Sender: usenet@Apple.COM Organization: Apple Computer, Inc. Lines: 36 In article <16409@brunix.UUCP> ejd@iris.brown.edu (Ed Devinney) writes: > In article <35053@apple.Apple.COM> keith@Apple.COM (Keith Rollin) writes: > > In article <158@edsr.eds.com> wjb@edsr.eds.com (Bill J Biesty) writes: > [...] > > >Pity if true. Guess we'll all just have to settle for a Next.. d;^o > > ??? What, so that you can run just UNIX ??? I guess my ignorance shows. > > What other operating systems does the NeXT box run? > > While the NextStep OS does not completely hide the evils of UN*X, it is > much more of a real, user-friendly (hahahahaha whatever _that_ means) OS > than"just UNIX". > > Were you trying to flame the competition, or were you really unawares? > > ed Can't very well speak for good-buddy Keith, but I've been through NeXT developer training, and I really don't see how you can call NeXTStep an "OS" at all, unless you also call SunViews/NeWS an OS, or X-Windows with some Widget-set an OS. That doesn't mean that I don't LIKE NeXTStep (whatever exactly it consists of--I never did become clear on that point). I guess I should say that I basically think the user interface is ok, but where the NeXT is a big win is in how easy the thing is to program. I'm not convinced that their AppKit is any "better" in any technical sense or practical sense than MacApp is, but I AM convinced that the Interface Builder is "the right thing." The irony here is that Interface Builder was actually first implemented for one of ExperTelligence's Lisp products for the Macintosh. __________________________________________________________________________ Just because I work for Apple Computer, Inc. doesn't mean that they believe what I believe or vice-versa. __________________________________________________________________________