Path: utzoo!utgpu!watmath!att!dptg!rutgers!mailrus!bbn!oliveb!mipos3!omepd!griff From: griff@intelob.intel.com (Richard Griffith) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga Subject: Re: Piracy Message-ID:Date: 9 Aug 89 12:41:08 GMT References: <119399@sun.Eng.Sun.COM> <4030@cps3xx.UUCP> <119606@sun.Eng.Sun.COM> <5021@alvin.mcnc.org> Sender: news@omepd.UUCP Organization: BiiN Information Systems, Hillsboro, Oregon Lines: 78 In-reply-to: raw@mcnc.org's message of 5 Aug 89 00:48:23 GMT In article <5021@alvin.mcnc.org> raw@mcnc.org (Russell Williams) writes: >In article <119606@sun.Eng.Sun.COM> cmcmanis@sun.UUCP (Chuck McManis) writes: >>In article <4030@cps3xx.UUCP> porkka@frith.UUCP (Joe Porkka) writes: >> [stuff deleted] >>BBe _definition_, anyone breaking the law is antisocial. That's true >>if you go 60MPH in a 55MPH zone, or you pirate software. >> >>or have your machine confiscated. No one cares. Just like the highway >>patrol doesn't care that you were on a straight road, on a clear day, >>with 20 mile visibility. >> >>To the person who walked into the science fiction convention with >>all of the pirate software. Call the cops, throw them in jail. Every >>person in the room with a disk can be tried and convicted of receiving >>stolen property, and the people who put on the convention can just >>be convicted of theft. If it is the moral responsibility of every citizen >>to obey the laws it is also the moral responsibility to report to the >>enforcement arm of society when they are broken. >> [ humorous sarcastic reply deleted] > Most of us are antisocial to some degree. Many people will break the >law if they cannot conceive of any harm being done, while good comes to them >or others. Society makes rules which can at times be bad on the micro level >because they were constructed on the macro level. If you're willing to accept >what the law is as the definition of morality, then maybe you'd be happy in >an ant farm, but individuals have reasoning abilities which they excercise >in the discretion of how the greater good can be acheived. Whether or not >that includes copying is for the indivdual to decide, but my moral beliefs >are determined by my thoughts and experiences, not by what the majority >believes. What you have both said is, essentially, true. And, if the person who started this thread was SOOO upset over the amount of pirated software at that convention, he should have *called the police*. >period< You see, while there is corruption and thievery at virtually every level of our social structure, it isn't going to change until *everyone* starts to make that change. Yes, Piracy is a bad thing, whether that piracy is "I copied this program" or "Buy My NEW program ZYX, it's great - does x and y and z and it's Neat-O!" on the box of a piece of garbage software.. (Yes, IMHO that is piracy also, If I buy the right painting to put on my software box, You'll buy it) . Face it, this society isn't "moral"...(Think about it - a womans bare breast on national television is anethma to the "morals" of the majority - but just last sunday night I saw a piece of a show where a woman's leg was ripped off... This is Moral???? "Do unto others..." :-^ ) Don't drag the "morals of society" into this - society has no morals, or if those morals exist - they're perverted. (back to comp.sys.amiga, sorry for the social commentary) Is there a lot of piracy on the Amiga? Sure. More than other systems? Nah - I once saw a pirated copy of the ENTIRE SOURCE CODE FOR MESSY-DOS... yep source code. For the whole bloody ball of bat guano... I haven't seen anything like that for the Amy yet... Games? yep, lots. "Application" software, most, altho the pirate I talked to lamented that nobody wanted to copy *that* save to have an unprotected copy they could easily backup instead of the one they *bought*. You see, productivity software is really hard to use without manuals... (unlike MS-dos's Lotus, which has been pirated heavily, thanks to much cheaper "third-party" user manuals all over the market) So to whoever started this mess: You don't want to develop for a machine that has rampant piracy - Fine, develop for the apple I - I'm sure there isn't much piracy there, course, there isn't much of a market either. IMHO, you probably got scared off by the Amiga's OS - it takes a little more expertise to develop under AmigaDOS/Intuition than it does under most other machines. so... - griff -- :Richard E. Griffith, "griff" : BiiN, Hillsboro Ore. :SCA!: Cyrus Hammerhand, Household of the Golden Wolf, Dragons' Mist, An Tir :These are MY opinions, if BiiN wanted them, They'd pay for `em!