Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!rutgers!aramis.rutgers.edu!athos.rutgers.edu!christian From: zach@drutx.att.com (Zach Lewis) Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian Subject: Re: secondary causation Message-ID:Date: 17 Aug 89 09:17:51 GMT Sender: hedrick@athos.rutgers.edu Organization: AT&T, Denver, CO Lines: 51 Approved: christian@aramis.rutgers.edu In article , stg@ihlpl.att.com (Scott T Grant) writes: > In article , mls@mhuxu.att.com (Michael L Siemon) writes: > > [Stuff about pre-destination deleted for space] > Sorry, I just can't buy into this bit about God. I also don't believe > he can be the kind and loving God you portray. Given that God is omnipotent > and knows everything that has/is/will happen in the universe we can then > take it one step further. God knows, from the time of a persons birth, even > before, where that soul is bound. Yet he lets them be born, live and die only > to go to hell and thus give him greater glory.....don't sound like the kind > of God I would be abasing myself to in servitude. > I am confused by the fact that God knows that my life should not exist because God knows the end. Don't I have a right to live my life ? Or should God live it in His mind only ? If I saw a football game and taped it on my VCR and then showed it to you could I change the game ? Should the game be played because I know the end and you don't ? Don't you have a right to see the game for yourself ? Why is it so hard to see that knowledge does not cause or prevent things from happening to someone else. If I know that when you jump off a building you will break your leg and you don't believe me, does my knowledge cause your broken leg when you jump ? Why is knowledege a problem to some people ? Example if I say that the use of alcohol will have a negative effect on society and you disagree would I cause the problems of drunk driving, destroyed families, etc. You decide to say there is no God which implies I can live without the knowledge that God will give me, does God have the right to say because he knows that in the End you will try to destroy yourself with weapons of war rather than try to feed the hungry that I know what will happen so I want let them be born ? I couldn't serve a God who didn't believe in choice and consequences ! Maybe you want a God who make decisions for you rather than you choosing the right course ? REMEMBER: It is always a Choice and I can't make a choice for you ! Zac