Path: utzoo!utgpu!watmath!clyde!att!osu-cis!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!rutgers!sunybcs!sbcs!rick From: rick@sbcs.sunysb.edu (Rick Spanbauer) Newsgroups: sci.electronics Subject: Re: Altera software problems Summary: Xilinx - you want to talk about infuriating? Message-ID: <1884@sbcs.sunysb.edu> Date: 9 Dec 88 17:00:43 GMT References: <5095@lynx.UUCP> <5030011@hpvcla.HP.COM> <1988Dec7.191920.19019@utzoo.uucp> Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook Lines: 22 In article <1988Dec7.191920.19019@utzoo.uucp>, henry@utzoo.uucp (Henry Spencer) writes: > In article <5030011@hpvcla.HP.COM> johne@hpvcla.HP.COM (John Eaton) writes: > stupid and shortsighted. Altera is an obvious example, but Xilinx is even > worse -- they don't even have the excuse that you'd need programming > hardware to zap the chips anyway! Such neat chips, too... What a waste. I tried to use Xilinx in a debugger design recently. I wanted to dynamically program the part from a software level debugger, ie define different address/range comparators, cycle counters, etc. I was not only abused by the Xilinx reps for just *asking* how to program their part, but even by the technical people at Xilinx. I agree with Henry - if design engineers just refuse to use parts from annoying little companies like Xilinx, Altera, etc then they will just dry up and die next recession. I wonder about the future of megapals anyways given that if Mosis is actually serious about selling access to fab lines for $400/design custom may be the way to go. > SunOSish, adj: requiring | Henry Spencer at U of Toronto Zoology Rick Spanbauer SUNY/Stony Brook