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From: allbery@ncoast.UUCP (Brandon S. Allbery)
Newsgroups: comp.sources.d
Subject: Re: comp.sources.unix
Message-ID: <13197@ncoast.UUCP>
Date: 2 Dec 88 01:48:24 GMT
References: <13172@ncoast.UUCP> <7757@well.UUCP>
Reply-To: allbery@ncoast.UUCP (Brandon S. Allbery)
Followup-To: comp.sources.d
Organization: Cleveland Public Access UN*X, Cleveland, Oh
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As quoted from <7757@well.UUCP> by pokey@well.UUCP (Jef Poskanzer):
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| In the referenced message, allbery@ncoast.UUCP (Brandon S. Allbery) wrote:
| }In article <7670@well.UUCP> Jef Poskanzer  writes:
| }                       And how do you deal with:
| }(a) propagation delay is long enough between the two machines that it *looks*
| }    like the primary moderator disappeared for a time, to the backup
| }    moderator?
| 
| The phone.
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Which can get expensive.  Oh, of course -- it's not *your* money, so who
cares?

Please try to remember that Usenet and things related to it are NOT free of
cost.

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| }:Maybe if you had been thinking about solving the problem instead of about
| }:protecting your position, you would have come up with this idea yourself.
| }
| }It has been "come up with"; it has been discussed; it was rejected for the
| }above reasons and others, for sources groups.
| 
| Nice demagoguery, Brandon.  Pardon me while I expell a small wad of nasal
| material.
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Why do I have a feeling that Mr. Poskanzer is flaming without substance?

And had it occurred to him that moderators are capable of conversion with
each other without making it public?  Or does that smack too much of the Evil
BackBone Cabal(tm)?

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| }Admitted, there *is* a problem, and it needs to be solved.  But there are no
| }solutions that work well enough to warrant being used on a net-wide basis.
| 
| I disagree.
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Then *show* us that it works.

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| }And as far as comp.sources.misc goes -- I do this as a service to the net,
| }and it takes up valuable time that could be used far more profitably in
| }other ways.  If Jef is so certain that he can do it better, he's welcome to
| }move over to news.groups and start a vote to become moderator.
| 
| And I write free software as a service to the net, and we've already done
| this chest-beating routine.  I have never said anything about me moderating
| better than you.  I am telling you how you can do it better, if you want to.
| You and the other moderators ought to have jumped at the chance.  Instead
| all I hear is a lot of whining.  This only confirms my initial suspicion
| that the moderators have become personalities, AND THEY LIKE IT THAT WAY.
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Eh wot?  I don't see where you came up with this, except insofar as you seem
to need to flame us all to h*ll and back if we don't immediately accept your
proposed solution as The One True Way.

Show us that it works.  SHOW us, don't talk about it; vaporware solves no
problems.  When you can prove that it works, you will have a chance of
getting people to listen to you.  Not just moderators, but also people who
run archiving software who depend on the way it works now; I had to rework
comp.sources.misc to make them happy, what makes you think I can change it
to something that DOESN'T work with their software with impunity?  Or does
that not matter because the Essential Correctness of your proposal is so
Obvious That Everyone Can See It?

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| You guys have heard of egoless programming, haven't you?  Think about
| egoless moderating.
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Think about egoless suggestions.  Or were you of the opinion that ad-hominem
flaming is the Right and Proper Way to make people pay attention to your
ideas?

I'm leaving this discussion on the grounds that if Mr. Poskanzer has to use
insults to get his point across, he's not worth listening to anyway.

++Brandon
-- 
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