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From: johnm@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com (John Murray)
Newsgroups: comp.edu,sci.math,sci.physics
Subject: Re: Student and Course Integrity
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Date: 8 Dec 88 20:03:14 GMT
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In article <1887@sun.soe.clarkson.edu>, jk0@clutx.clarkson.edu (Jason Coughlin,221 Rey,,) writes:
> ....(profs) feel their courses and the books that they use have degenerated,
>   and they attribute this degeneration to their students.  . . . .
>            . . .  is it really the students?  And if it IS the students,
>   what's happened?  Is it a loss of motivation (, and just what are we
>   motivated to do these days)?  . . . .
>               . . . .  The end-goal for all of us is to determine
>   what happened to our academic integrity. 

The answer to what has happened to academic integrity appears in another
posting to this newsgroup.

> From: gds@spam.istc.sri.com (Greg Skinner)
> Message-ID: <15338@joyce.istc.sri.com>
> I took a class called Social Psychology in my senior year.  . . .
>                . . . .  at the first class meeting, the
> professor passed a sheet around that you could sign which would
> guarantee you an A if you did not attend any more classes.  However,
> you forfeited your guaranteed A (you had to take the final and earn it
> instead) if you returned to class.

Absolutly incredible!!! And some professors have the audacity to blame
the students for degeneration and loss of motivation!

- John M. (My own opinions, etc.)