Path: utzoo!dciem!array!rob From: rob@array.UUCP (Rob Marchand) Newsgroups: tor.general Subject: Re: European subway systems vs. TTC Message-ID: <677@array.UUCP> Date: 1 Dec 88 16:12:55 GMT Article-I.D.: array.677 References: <8811252311.AA05323@wilson.csri.toronto.edu> <1988Nov27.120631.4151@sq.uucp> Reply-To: rob@array.UUCP (Boss Hog) Distribution: tor Organization: Array Systems Computing, Toronto, Canada Lines: 65 In article <1988Nov27.120631.4151@sq.uucp> ludo@sq.com (Ludo VanVooren) writes: > >In article <8811252311.AA05323@wilson.csri.toronto.edu> >hofbauer@csri.toronto.edu (John Hofbauer) writes : > >>...You must go to Europe or Japan to see how a real transit system >>works. I spent six weeks in Seoul at the end of summer and in the fall, and I spent a good deal of time using the transit system. As far as the subway system goes, I was impressed. It covers a lot of ground, and moves a *lot* of people. There are five (I think -- memory fading ;-) lines, which directly connect with the National Railway lines. As a result, I could take a subway from An-Yang (about 50 clicks outside of Seoul) to just about anywhere I had to go within the city. >1. Subway, Bus and Streetcar are in the same system. The direct connection > between the subway and the bus/streetcar is a very good idea. For example, I agree with this wholeheartedly. In Seoul, finding the bus you wanted to board was *very* difficult. (Of course my Korean doesn't help much :-) This is one of the things I've liked about the transit service here. >2. TTC subway stations are compact and well serviced by escalators. I know > that they don't always work but at least you see people trying to fix them. No escalators in the Seoul transit system. Lots of stairs - and I mean lots. I've never seen so many stairs in a city in my life. >3. TTC is safe. You don't have to watch your back when you walk past midnight > in a subway station. The number of *murders* in the European subways is just The transit system in Seoul is also (apparently) quite safe. This is probably due in part to the volume of people that are always traveling on the system. > >4. Last but not the less, TTC is very clean. I am not use to ride a subway that > as no giant grafiti on every single wall. > Seoul transit too; not as clean as the TTC mind you, but pretty good nonetheless. >5.I have never been to Japan but have you ever read about the subway employees > pushing the crowd into the subway cars at rush hours ? > Didn't see this in Seoul, but do know that getting a seat is a rare event. The subways, and some of the bus routes are incredibly crowded (oh yeah, everybody sleeps on the subway too). >TTC is not perfect, OK! But it is not that bad ! > I agree. There are some problems, but all in all, I think they've 'got a good thing going'. (Sorry 'bout that, it's early! ;-) -- Rob Marchand UUCP : {mnetor,utzoo}!lsuc!array!rob Array Systems Computing ARPA : rob%array.UUCP@uunet.UU.NET 200-5000 Dufferin Street Phone : +1(416)736-0900 Fax: (416)736-4715 Downsview, Ont CANADA M3H 5T5 Telex : 063666 (CNCP EOS TOR) .TO 21:ARY001