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From: nopuklic@ndsuvax.UUCP (Blayne Puklich)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.programmer
Subject: Re: TML Pascal II
Message-ID: <1867@ndsuvax.UUCP>
Date: 30 Nov 88 00:16:21 GMT
References: <1857@ndsuvax.UUCP> <32737@bbn.COM> <10245@umn-cs.CS.UMN.EDU>
Reply-To: nopuklic@ndsuvax.UUCP (Blayne Puklich)
Organization: North Dakota State University, Fargo
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In article <10245@umn-cs.CS.UMN.EDU> zuhn@umn-cs.cs.umn.edu (Dave Zuhn) writes:
>In article <32737@bbn.COM> levin@BBN.COM (Joel B Levin) writes:
>>I attempted to buy TML P II without MPW, as I already have it, but no
>>go.
>
>I have spoken with the people at TML and they take the position that
>you are paying for the compiler and get MPW for free.  They are working
>on a V3.0 compiler for MPW 3.0, but that will not be available until
>apple releases MPW as final product.

That they can say MPW is free with TML gets me even more excited.

>Language providers can get MPW licensed to release with product for a
>very reasonable cost it seems... as in the case of TML.  The upgrade for
>TML pascal II to MPW 3.0 will be a reasonable cost (they weren't sure of
>exact figures when I spoke to them as Apple hadn't given them final numbers).
>I didn't ask them what all comes with the upgrade.

Apparently only MPW 3.0 Final and the TML upgrade comes with it, according
to the APDAlog insert.

This raises two points.  The first is that if their upgrade will be at a
reasonable cost, will the price they charge be fair to those of us who
do not own TML Pascal II?  That is, if I pay upwards of $200 to upgrade
just MPW (which isn't apparently available as a separate upgrade from APDA),
will those who own TML Pascal II get away with something like one-half or
one-fourth of what I paid?

The second point is that if TML can give away MPW with their compiler,
why don't more of the MPW-tool compiler companies such as SemperSoft, with
comparably priced compilers, do the same?  I mean, SemperSoft charges
$125 or so retail for their compiler, why not include MPW?  I can see
where there may be a problem here - APDA/Apple Licensing must not be
charging TML enough for the MPW licensing.  Otherwise maybe the others
would be doing the same (I can even bet money they'd LOVE to do it).

Charge little or nothing for the upgrade licensing and maybe they'll
give that away, too, while I pay.

I guess it still bothers me.  Maybe I'm jumping up and down for nothing,
but I feel like I just got severely ripped off.  Hell, pretty soon it's
going to be better for us to buy programming tools from everybody BUT
Apple/APDA if this keeps up, and I can bet that they don't really want
that to happen.

Someone help me see that this is really no big deal, please... (Do NOT
give me an economics lecture because I've heard enough of those during
the past 5 years of college.)

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