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From: karl@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Karl Denninger)
Newsgroups: unix-pc.general
Subject: Re: login security package
Summary: Ok, guys, let's not claw each other out on the net.
Message-ID: <2284@ddsw1.MCS.COM>
Date: 29 Nov 88 20:27:39 GMT
References: <519@whizz.uucp> <185@loci.UUCP>
Reply-To: karl@ddsw1.MCS.COM(Karl Denninger)
Followup-To: alt.flame
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In article <185@loci.UUCP> clb@loci.UUCP (Charles Brunow) writes:
>In article <519@whizz.uucp>, bbh@whizz.uucp (Bud Hovell) writes:
>> John Hough (jfh@rpp386) is building a drop-in replacement login, and this
>> posting is to inquire for some wizard who is willing to assist on the beta
>> testing by providing feedback on mods and suggestions for enabling it to run
>> on the UNIXPC.
>
>	I know this guy and his software and I wouldn't touch it with
>	a stick.  This stuff is developed (loosely interpreted) on a
>	xenix box and I recommend that you go through it very carefully
>	before you put on real Unix. 

Charles, that's not nice at all.

I have looked at jfh's login replacement, and it looks ok to me.  

I do remember the two of you getting into a rather nasty spat over the 
net a while back regarding your connections to each other's systems.

To despise John is ok, and your right.  To disparge his code without even
_looking_ at it is nasty, rude, and uncalled for.  John is attempting to
provide a real service for the Usenet community -- this shadow code is
something I had been meaning to write for a long, long time, but I have to
eat too and work that pays must get done before work that is done for love
and the benefit of the public at large.  John DID take the time, DID produce
the code, and while it's not quite good enough for us here at the moment, it
DOES work and he is continuing development.

As for the gratuitous slam at Xenix, that was uncalled for too, especially
when you consider that John HAS taken the time to #ifdef the appropriate
options for his login replacement, and that current Xenix systems are nearly
up to SVR3 standards.  (Before you flame me on the Xenix point - be careful:
we have code that runs interchangably, same source, on Xenix and the UNIXPC;
it's AKCS, one of our major products)

I think you owe jfh@rpp386 an apology.

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