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From: greg@gryphon.CTS.COM (Greg Laskin)
Newsgroups: news.misc
Subject: Re: A SERIOUS DILEMMA FOR THE NET
Message-ID: <7288@gryphon.CTS.COM>
Date: 25 Sep 88 18:35:20 GMT
References: <7086@gryphon.CTS.COM> <9337@cup.portal.com> <233@serene.CTS.COM> <3168@utastro.UUCP>
Reply-To: greg@gryphon.CTS.COM (Greg Laskin)
Followup-To: news.misc
Organization: Trailing Edge Technology, Redondo Beach, CA
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[ heavily edited quotation]

In article <3168@utastro.UUCP> werner@utastro.UUCP (Werner Uhrig) writes
(somewhat ingenuously):

> ... "serene" and "gryphon" ... 
>Am I mistaken in the impression that there are some
>kind of commercial time-sharing/BBS type of machines, possibly competing
>with PORTAL in some ways?  

Yes, you are.

>I post this in the hope that readers will add to the sparse info I can find
>in the maps and at NIC while at the same time indicating what I know already...
>also to benefit those who may not have ready. easy access to this info...

*.CTS.COM should resolve to an MX pointing to NOSC.MIL.  The map entries
you posted are absoulutely accurate.  Bill Blue at crash.cts.com is 
the So. California map coordinator.  email to an Email contact (or
postmaster) at any .CTS.COM site would have gotten you all the information
you want about .CTS.COM.

>UUCP mail information for host gryphon (#USENET lines show USENET news links):
>#Name			gryphon
>#USENET	elroy desint aztec pande
>#USENET	mejac cadovax crash lakesys ddsw1 pnet02 lll-winken 
>#USENET	marque ksala vector anb02 
>gryphon		amy(POLLED),	  anb02(DIRECT),   aztec(DIRECT),
>....etc....

Werner omits 30 or so of gryphon's connections and 70 or so of crash's
connections (I didn't count them - just a guess).

gryphon.cts.com is sitting on my desk.  It has 3 dial-up lines.  Nobody
pays anything to use it.  There are about 40 gryphon users who use
gryphon by my largesse.  I pay all the bills.

gryphon really feeds news to all those sites in the map entry.  There
are full and partial feeds.

gryphon also supports a pnet node (pnet02).  Pnet (People Net) is a 
Multi-threaded conferencing system.  Pnet sites with usenet connections
can make usenet available to pnet users.  Here, at gryphon, the 180 pnet
users have access to a limited set of usenet groups, and posting 
privileges are controlled.  pnets also are networked together (not
over usenet or by email - they talk pnet to pnet protocols) and
maintain the conference threads and references across all the systems
in the pnet network.  No pnet users here pay anything to use the system
either.

crash.cts.com is a major news and mail machine in San Diego, operated
by Bill Blue (just like the map entry says).  It is also the gateway
machine for pnet (Bill wrote pnet), so all the pnet sites are in the
.CTS.COM domain. I think Bill accepts donations, but they are not required.

I don't know much about the policies of the other .CTS.COM domains but
I believe that none of them are commercial in any sense. 

What else would you like to know?  Feel free to send me mail.
If you're on Internet and your mailer can't deal with gryphon.CTS.COM
try gyphon!greg@nosc.mil or crash!gryphon!greg@nosc.mil.  Some
Internet (especially BITNET sites) have better luck with gryphon.uucp.
-- 
Greg Laskin  greg@gryphon.CTS.COM    !gryphon!greg