Path: utzoo!utgpu!water!watmath!clyde!att!pacbell!ames!killer!convex!uunet!mcvax!enea!kth!draken!liuida!uda From: uda@majestix.liu.se (Ulf Dahlen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.xerox Subject: Re: CLUE, CLOS and Xerox Message-ID: <936@majestix.liu.se> Date: 25 Sep 88 12:40:52 GMT References: <880919-092243-1455@Xerox> Organization: CIS Dept, Univ of Linkoping, Sweden Lines: 36 In article <880919-092243-1455@Xerox> masinter.pa@Xerox.COM writes: >Lots of folks at Xerox (and Envos) are 'involved in this', if by 'this' you mean >the evolution of the standards for window systems and object oriented >programming for Common Lisp, both in working on standards committees and in >development of prototype implementations. > >Perhaps you had a more specific question in mind? Well, the problem is really that we don't hear so much of these things here in Europe. I wouldn't be all surprised if there already was a CLUE supporting system ready and running. And, yes, I do have more specific questions in mind: - How are the CLUE project progressing and what more specifically *is* the CLUE project? - They say CLOS in the form of PCL is included in the Lisp Users packages for Lyric, which we haven't got yet (but will have in a few weeks, I hope). Is that true, and is there any difference between CLOS and PCL and is CLOS an accepted standard and... - What *is* CLUE and what *is* CLX? Is there any paper describing them? I had not heard of them until I read some article on the net. I really like the Xerox Lisp environment, but it would be *very* nice to be able to write portable programs. A window system standard is therefore absolutely necessary. I think there are a number of application writers that are just waiting for this. Common Lisp was a step forward, but as I/O is the most important part of a program there really is a great need for CLUE, CLX or whatever. __________ Ulf Dahlen Dept of Computer & Info Science, University of Linkoping, Sweden Troskaregatan 51:23 | uda@ida.liu.se S-583 30 LINKOPING | uda@majestix.liu.se, uda@majestix.UUCP SWEDEN | {mcvax,munnari,seismo}!enea!liuida!uda "The beginning is a very delicate time."