Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!ncrlnk!ncr-sd!hp-sdd!hplabs!decwrl!pyramid!prls!philabs!micomvax!ray From: ray@micomvax.UUCP (Ray Dunn) Newsgroups: news.admin Subject: Re: A SERIOUS DILEMMA FOR THE NET Message-ID: <1282@micomvax.UUCP> Date: 20 Sep 88 22:23:35 GMT References: <7086@gryphon.CTS.COM> <7090@gryphon.CTS.COM> <6629@chinet.UUCP> <1219@cbnews.ATT.COM> <6817@rpp386.Dallas.TX.US> Reply-To: ray@micomvax.UUCP (Ray Dunn) Organization: Philips Electronics Ltd. (TDS - Montreal) St. Laurent QC, Canada Lines: 92 In <7090@gryphon.CTS.COM> oleg@gryphon.CTS.COM (Oleg Kiselev) and In <6817@rpp386.Dallas.TX.US> jfh@rpp386.Dallas.TX.US (John F. Haugh II) and In <6629@chinet.UUCP> rissa@chinet.UUCP (Patricia O Tuama) and In <1219@cbnews.ATT.COM> wbt@cbnews.ATT.COM (William B. Thacker), backed by a chorus of simpering toadies in alt.flame writes: >To the members of Usenet: > >Hello. There has emerged, what we feel to be a huge problem. For >a while now, the net has been plagued with postings from several >"people" at the Portal System (tm) in California. The postings are >made from ambiguous accounts such as "Spartan", "Hijacker", "Argent", >"ANKH" etc, ad nauseum. >..... This article, posted in news.admin separately by various frequent "contributors" to alt.flame, is, I contend, of irresponsible, malicious, intent. Be warned. The posting is just another step in a deliberately fanned "flame-war" which has been in progress between Kiselev and others, and the users of Portal, for some time. For those wise people who do not read alt.flame, the war mainly involves the said clique concertedly foul-mouthing the Portal users in every way possible, and for any violation they can dream up. These "violations" have in the past weeks included admitting to being 14 years old, asking what "SO" meant (I think in alt.sex), and exhibiting the other traditional manifestations of new users that we must expect. Occasionally annoying, nothing "beyond the pale". The cabal's immediate response has been of the "f*ck off little boy, and if you don't like what I'm saying then watch out because we will have your account pulled, and *we* are responsible USENET adults" variety. The very act of posting from portal has triggered the chorus! This of course has frequently provoked the portal users to retaliate in kind. Many postings are clearly *designed* to make portal users respond that way. Portal baiting has become a fine art on alt.flame! Predicatably, they are not disappointed! This creates material which is at their disposal to be manipulated at will to further fan the flames: In article <53861RWC102@PSUVM> RWC102@PSUVM (R. W. F. Clark) writes: >In article <9152@cup.portal.com>, john_f_tamburo@cup.portal.com says: >> >> [many four-letter explicatives deleted] >> >Mr. Tamburo, I think that would be singularly ill-advised.... Clark posted this in news.admin (without the deletions), although 9152@cup.portal.com appears only in alt.flame, and Clark directs followups back to alt.flame - a flagrant if clumsy attempt to make a portal user appear to be posting foul language in news.admin. Mr Tamburo certainly has a way with words (:-), but to no more excess than his opponents in alt.flame. Between the foul-mouthed rantings and vicious personality-assassinations, this purile small-minded cabal portray themselves to their victims as knights on white chargers and keepers of the net! They pretend to represent you and I. Don't take my word for it, they have, and continue to present themselves daily in alt.flame. Frankly, the spectacle is nauseating. Why do we continue to propagate the alt sub-net and support the excesses of these dregs of our USENET society? While the verbiage remained in alt.flame it was marginally supportable. To have it spill over into news.admin, and to now stomach this sanctimonious "dilemma" clap-trap is going much too far. I *do* dislike anonymous postings and I *do* have some problems with the type of access sites like Portal enable, however this attempt to coerce USENET administrators into taking sides in a flame-fest, in a bogus pretence of seeing a "serious dilemma" is at the same level of irresponsible nonsense as the jj postings, or some of the more outrageous threats of lawsuits etc. I ask the administrators of the sites whose users have posted the "serious dilemma" and associated articles to examine the evidence, closely question the actions of those users, and perhaps report back their findings to the net. -- Ray Dunn. | UUCP: ..!philabs!micomvax!ray Philips Electronics Ltd. | TEL : (514) 744-8200 Ext: 2347 600 Dr Frederik Philips Blvd | FAX : (514) 744-6455 St Laurent. Quebec. H4M 2S9 | TLX : 05-824090