Path: utzoo!utgpu!water!watmath!clyde!att!osu-cis!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!mailrus!cornell!uw-beaver!tektronix!reed!kamath From: kamath@reed.UUCP (Sean Kamath) Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple Subject: Re: Applefest & //c+ Message-ID: <10387@reed.UUCP> Date: 21 Sep 88 01:39:15 GMT References: <8809170056.AA01800@crash.cts.com>Reply-To: kamath@reed.UUCP (Sean Kamath) Organization: Reed College, Portland OR Lines: 66 In article jm7e+@ANDREW.CMU.EDU ("Jeremy G. Mereness") writes: >But the Apple//c+ is a joke. > >Capt. Albatross >jm7e+@andrew.cmu.edu So is the Coco. So is the Mac 128. Was. So is the Altair. And yet, strangly, I find myself using Robin's //c *all the time*. And I don't laugh. What did you expect? The sparcintosh? Look, folks. I don't want to get to mean, but. . . Apple //'s are jokes. And yet they *aren't*. If you are a lawyer, with a gob o clients who you have to keep track of bills, appointments, court dates, rulings, filings. . . Etc. You don't use an apple // with Appleworks. You *can*, but. . . So my mother has an IBM, and I get a phone call every other week with her asking how to use it. But the thing is, she can't find the software she wants on anything else. If you are trying to do "scientific computer studies", you don't use and apple //. You get a sun, vax, ibm, etc. (Though I lean heavily towards the sun.). So, now I have all of you mad. Good. So why should Robin be forced to buy a $2000 piece of junk that could do a *bit* more than her //c, but that she wouldn't use in any more effective manner? I mean, Jeeez, if you think Mah Jongg looks nice on a GS, or a Mac ][ even, you should see it under suntools. Sunview. whatever they call it these days. But are you gonna buy a $4000 box to play mahjongg? No. So Robin cranks up Appleworks every now and then, writes paper or two, graphs a function occasionally, and I take her //c to Reed to download gobs of sh*t I get from the server at 9600 to a 3.5 inch disk. How, pray tell, would a gsdoubleplussuperdooperwhizbangfunkygood make *that* any easier? Chugging along with my $500 RGB monitor. My point is, yes, if you wanted more power and memory, it was a big letdown. But it runs at 4 MHz! Everyone bitched about the zipchip not being here forwever, now apple comes out with a nice little //c that would make my life a little easier, and you complain! I'm *SORRY*. Yes, //s are *FUN*, *EDUCATIONAL*, and definately can be used for business with a decided advantage, and even serious programming. I get mad that apple doesn't come out with a sun-like unix box for $1000, but there's just nothing they are gonna do about it. Such is life. I will continue to get the most out of what I *have*. Not what I wish for. So much for my vacuous verbosity. I don't mean to jump down your throat, but don't you think Apple ought to get a least a little cheer for making a better machine a all? Or should we whips out our trusty WP and fire off a note saying: Jeez, you guys, you can't do *anything* right. . . Sean Kamath -- UUCP: {decvax allegra ucbcad ucbvax hplabs ihnp4}!tektronix!reed!kamath CSNET: reed!kamath@Tektronix.CSNET || BITNET: kamath@reed.BITNET ARPA: reed!kamath@PSUVAX1.CS.PSU.EDU US Snail: 3934 SE Boise, Portland, OR 97202-3126 (I hate 4 line .sigs!)