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From: oleg@gryphon.CTS.COM (Oleg Kiselev)
Newsgroups: news.admin
Subject: Re: A SERIOUS DILEMMA FOR THE NET
Message-ID: <7201@gryphon.CTS.COM>
Date: 22 Sep 88 23:19:53 GMT
References: <7086@gryphon.CTS.COM> <7090@gryphon.CTS.COM> <6629@chinet.UUCP> <1219@cbnews.ATT.COM> <6817@rpp386.Dallas.TX.US> <1282@micomvax.UUCP>
Reply-To: oleg@gryphon.CTS.COM (Oleg Kiselev)
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FOR THE RECORD:

In article <1282@micomvax.UUCP> ray@micomvax.UUCP (Ray Dunn) writes:
>These "violations" have in the past weeks included admitting to being 14
>years old, asking what "SO" meant (I think in alt.sex), and exhibiting the
>other traditional manifestations of new users that we must expect.
>Occasionally annoying, nothing "beyond the pale".
>
>The cabal's immediate response has been of the "f*ck off little boy, and if
>you don't like what I'm saying then watch out because we will have your
>account pulled, and *we* are responsible USENET adults" variety.  The very
>act of posting from portal has triggered the chorus!

The above is a gross misrepresentation of the facts.

>Don't take my word for it, they have, and continue to present themselves
>daily in alt.flame.

Please do.  At least you will be able to form your own opinion instead of
relying the kinds of vicious disinformation Mr. Dunn is passing here as
"truth".

>Frankly, the spectacle is nauseating.

I fully agree.  Mr. Dunn's contribution to the slime flow is most
disheartening.  I am not sure what poilitical goals or hostilities Mr. Dunn
is entertaining.

>Why do we continue to propagate the alt sub-net and support the excesses of
>these dregs of our USENET society?

It should be pointed out that NO SITE is required to carry or propagate ALT
subnet and there is no "backbone" support for it.  Should Mr. Dunn's or any
other site not wish to receive/propagate ALT groups, they are at liberty to
do so.  ALT groups like alt.sex and alt.flame or, for that matter, ALT et al
are not carried by a large number of sites and by majority of "backbones".
Fanning up the outrage about ALT is a smoke screen.  I am at loss to explain
why Mr. Dunn chooses to do that.

>I ask the administrators of the sites whose users have posted the "serious
>dilemma" and associated articles to examine the evidence, closely question
>the actions of those users, and perhaps report back their findings to the
>net.

This is the only paragraph in Mr. Dunn's posting that has any merit.  He does
fail to realize, however, that a number of people who posted the "dilemma"
article ARE system administrators.
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