Path: utzoo!utgpu!water!watmath!clyde!att!osu-cis!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!mailrus!ames!amdahl!uunet!mcvax!ukc!strath-cs!glasgow!orr From: orr@cs.glasgow.ac.uk (Fraser Orr) Newsgroups: comp.lang.forth Subject: Re: Forth "Pre-Compiler" (long) Message-ID: <1567@crete.cs.glasgow.ac.uk> Date: 11 Aug 88 10:24:51 GMT References: <8808032106.AA01436@jade.berkeley.edu> <1563@crete.cs.glasgow.ac.uk> <2651@pt.cs.cmu.edu> Reply-To: orr@cs.glasgow.ac.uk (Fraser Orr) Organization: Comp Sci, Glasgow Univ, Scotland Lines: 75 In article <2651@pt.cs.cmu.edu> ralf@b.gp.cs.cmu.edu (Ralf Brown) writes: >In article <1563@crete.cs.glasgow.ac.uk> orr@cs.glasgow.ac.uk (Fraser Orr) writes: >}If I were being equally glib(-:) I might ask, how come if forth is so much >}easier to program in, have forth programmers not managed to produce these >}essential tools in and for forth? > >Let's see now, Laxen & Perry F83 has: > editor > decompiler > assembler > debugger > multitasker > print spooler > listing printer >and of course, > compiler/interpreter adb ar as cc ctags dbx e ed edit error ex ex eyacc gcore gprof indent ld lex lint lpq lpr lprm make man nm pmerge pr prof ranlib sccs size strings strip tar time touch vgrind vi yacc These are some of the tools on my UNIX system for c programming, I make it 39, vs your 8, hmmh. Oh of course you include process mangment in your list so there is also ps, w, kill ....:^) >Sounds like *more* than most so-called integrated environments offer! No >fancy windowing/menu system, but what do you expect from 26K ? :-) I don't expect anything form 26K, as I mentioned previously I've got 12Mb, moreover I can't think of many general purpose computers of more than a couple of years vintage that have anywhere near as little as this(though I'm sure your all about to release me of my ignorance!) And yes your right I did forget all the windowing stuff, suntools, shelltool, dbxtool ... <-: ==Fraser Orr ( Dept C.S., Univ. Glasgow, Glasgow, G12 8QQ, UK) UseNet: {uk}!cs.glasgow.ac.uk!orr JANET: orr@uk.ac.glasgow.cs ARPANet(preferred xAtlantic): orr%cs.glasgow.ac.uk@nss.cs.ucl.ac.uk