Path: utzoo!utgpu!water!watmath!clyde!att!osu-cis!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!mailrus!uwmcsd1!nic.MR.NET!umn-cs!bungia!sialis!rjg From: rjg@sialis.mn.org (Robert J. Granvin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.att Subject: Re: Unix PC brain-damaged uucp, Honey DAN BER, etc Message-ID: <724@sialis.mn.org> Date: 10 Aug 88 02:09:17 GMT References: <1311@neoucom.UUCP> Reply-To: rjg@sialis.mn.org (Robert J. Granvin) Organization: Dr. Ho Laboratory and Day Care Center Lines: 43 >I see that version 3.51b for the Unix PC may be lurking in the >wings now. Hmmm. What I'd like to know is what patches fix what >bugs. [ ... ] The exact details of 3.51b are unknown to even most within ATT. It's not even confirmed that it would be called 3.51b... >The point of my meandering is that HDB apparently works and it is >working very well for us. The question is, why is AT&T not >releasing it? Must be internal politics or whatever. Basically, this is the story as I know it... HDB was in some sort of "functional development" when the 3b1 was withdrawn from the market. For all practical purposes, HDB works, and works well, but it's not entirely complete, mostly in the areas of verifications and repairs of existing problems. Since the machine was withdrawn, there was little interest or desire to make available a product that would be required to be supported, so HDB fell by the wayside. There's a catch-22 with HDB also. It's published everywhere that anything from The Store! is without warranty and unsupported. However, HoneyDanBer is a supported product no matter where it originated. Therefore, HDB from The Store! would have to have some measure of official support... :-( >Does anybody know about the status of HDB now that it has been >withdrawn from the STORE? Again, this is "as I have been told"... HDB is not a released product for the 3b1. Only ATT and VARs have access to it. For a short while, HDB was placed in the public area on The Store!, and those that got it then are entitled to keep it, in an unsupported mode, but cannot redistribute it to anyone else. The actual details and "legality" elude me. I'm sure someone else who knows the story intimately will post or mail the detailed stories... -- Robert J. Granvin "Martyrs are just dying National Information Systems, Inc. to be heroes." rjg@sialis.mn.org ...{{amdahl,hpda}!bungia,rosevax}!sialis!rjg