Path: utzoo!utgpu!water!watmath!clyde!att!osu-cis!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!mailrus!cornell!uw-beaver!teknowledge-vaxc!sri-unix!quintus!ok From: ok@quintus.uucp (Richard A. O'Keefe) Newsgroups: comp.unix.wizards Subject: Re: att & osf Message-ID: <268@quintus.UUCP> Date: 9 Aug 88 21:58:42 GMT References: <4964@killer.DALLAS.TX.US> <3395@vpk4.UUCP> <1988Aug2.171126.17906@utzoo.uucp> <3396@vpk4.UUCP> <249@quintus.UUCP> <1275@sfmag.UUCP> <258@quintus.UUCP> <12118@ncoast.UUCP> Sender: news@quintus.UUCP Reply-To: ok@quintus.UUCP (Richard A. O'Keefe) Organization: Quintus Computer Systems, Inc. Lines: 33 In article <12118@ncoast.UUCP> allbery@ncoast.UUCP (Brandon S. Allbery) writes: >As quoted from <258@quintus.UUCP> by ok@quintus.uucp (Richard A. O'Keefe): > To summarize: the SVID is good news for applications developers. > AT&T _could_ ADD enormous chunks to the SVID without warning > and that was Henry Spencer's original point. >A few years ago, people were bitching about the System V standard because it >didn't include networking. Now they're bitching because there's a mechanism >for adding such missing pieces?! > >A little less heat, please, and a little more light. Not to mention just a >bit more so-called "common" sense. Why not quote the part of my posting where I said that every UNIX programmer who seriously cares about portability should have his own copy of the SVID? I am not a UNIX vendor. If AT&T add VMS compatibility to System V Release 58 that's no skin off _my_ nose. I _like_ the SVID, I'm glad it exists, and I refer to it a _LOT_. My posting was a reply to ..... someone from AT&T who denied that the SVID had ever changed, and that poster thought he was refuting Henry Spencer's claim that the SVID was not as stable and multilaterally controlled a standard as POSIX will be. Yes, let's have some light instead of quoting out of context, and let's have some common sense: POSIX will be better for _everybody_ (except AT&T) than the SVID, and a document which is totally controlled by one company can only be a stopgap as a standard. As for bitching about networking, I've read the relevant V.3 manuals several times, and, well, does anyone know of anything printed in English that explains V.3 networking?