Path: utzoo!utgpu!attcan!uunet!lll-winken!lll-tis!helios.ee.lbl.gov!nosc!ucsd!ucsdhub!hp-sdd!hplabs!nsc!taux01!cyosta From: cyosta@taux01.UUCP (Yossie Silverman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac Subject: Re: ***WARNING*** don't use Continuum with disk chache on!! Message-ID: <883@taux01.UUCP> Date: 9 Aug 88 07:15:07 GMT References: <878@taux01.UUCP> <9700@dartvax.Dartmouth.EDU> Reply-To: taux01!cyosta@nsc.UUCP (Yossie Silverman) Organization: National Semiconductor (Israel) Ltd. Lines: 87 In article <9700@dartvax.Dartmouth.EDU> isle@eleazar.dartmouth.edu (Ken Hancock) writes: .In article <878@taux01.UUCP> taux01!cyosta@nsc.UUCP (Yossie Silverman) writes: .>Yesterday my mac died. The Harddisk was unreadable by SCSI Setup. MacZap .>recovered the files but it took a while. The last thing I did was play .>Continuum. I am convinced that Continuum overwrote the disk cache and thus .>mangled my Harddisk. I find Continuum to be a very fine game but I think .>it is EXTREMELY irresponsible to send out a game that has such an obvious .>bug in it. .First, let me address the former. You say you've come across an .obvious bug. What's obvious? Obvious for you because you have a Mac .XXX with a XXX hard disk running XXX System and XXX INITs. First of .all, you've done absolutely NO service to ANYONE except get a little .hot air out. In case you weren't aware, Randy Wilson does read the .net. What would be helpful to both him and the rest of the people who .play Continuum would be to state what kind of Mac, what System, what .hard disk, what inits (or at least "none", "a few", or "tons and .tons"), and what you think the problem is. Well, now. I did not flame anyone in my submit, I was very nice about it I got this game off the net (where things are supposed to be non-destructive at least) and it killed my hard disk. Many others have pointed out the death of their mac after playing it, I think they are lucky, if they had not died, their hard disk would have. The RamCache is an integral part of the mac system and many use it; to submit a program that ignores its existance is bad form to say the least. I did point out what I think the problem was, infact what I KNEW the p problem was. .Don't misunderstand me. I'd be pissed has hell if I was playing a game .and it crashed my hard disk. BUT, hopefully, once my hard disk was .crashed, I'd at least find out what the problem was for sure (as far .as I could tell), send the author mail, post a warning to networld, .and hopefully not blow my top and flame the author right and left. .Everyone makes mistakes. Randy made no guarantees as to what works .and what doesn't. I'm almost sure he doesn't have 20 different Mac .setups to test every configuration. Lastly, as he said, the game is .a hack he's been working on. In my opinion, one of the best "hacks" .I've seen in a LONG time. Maybe THE best. This is exactely what I did!!!!!!!!!!!!! Can't you read? I agree its a nice hack, but if it kills my hard disk than I dont like it, would you? I could call you a whole lot of names for that last paragraph, I DONT concider what I sent to be a flame, it was a conservative and resonably informed report of what happened to me. The only thing I neglected to report, and it might make a difference, is that I run AutoBlack which uses the alternate screen buffer. Beyond Dark Castle is smart enough to recognize this and refuse to come up (same message as when the ramcache is on infact). I am convinced that the problem is directely connected with overwritting the ramcache. .Now as for Symantec, there's another case. There were some messages .that came across and gave configurations. Great. That's what's helpful. .But then again, there were more that just decided to blow off some steam .and flame with no help to anyone. My configuration is Mac2e, Dove SCSI, Jasmine 20M. I wouldn't know, I dont have SUM, MacZap is good enough for me. .Folks, we're all adults here, or at least close to being adults. Before .you go posting to the net, count to ten, play around to see if you can .repeat the error, and then post responsibly. Let us know if it's a problem Would you try to crash your hard disk a second time? Well, I did, and yes it repeated. Is that responsible and adult enough for you? .we might encounter by giving us your system run down. Let the developers .narrow down the problem so that they can fix it. That way, at least you .might be somewhat happier and have accomplished something for everyone. . .'nuff said. you bet. .Ken Yossie . .Ken Hancock '90 | BITNET/UUCP: isle@eleazar.dartmouth.edu .Personal Computing Ctr Consultant | .-----------------------------------+---------------------------------------- .DISCLAIMER? I don't get paid enough to worry about disclaimers. -- Yossie Silverman What did the Caspian sea? National Semiconductor Ltd. (Israel) - Saki UUCP: taux01!yossie@nsc.UUCP NSA LSD FBI KGB PCP CIA MOSAD NUCLEAR MI5 SPY ASSASSINATE SDI -- OOCLAY ITAY