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From: wunder@sde.hp.COM (Walter Underwood)
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Subject: Re: Help on TCP/IP for HP
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Date: 5 Jul 88 18:08:57 GMT
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   HP's "TCP/IP" won't do it (they only support class C addresses)!

This is not true.  I just counted 100 HP3000's on HP's class A
network.  There are another 30 on MILNET.  If the documents don't say
how to configure a class A, complain to your field office.  Many of
the NS/3000 documents assume a single LAN (for historical reasons),
but the software knows better.

   Has anyone networked HP computers (3000s) with IBM PCs and Apple
   Macintoshs?  We have more than 255 devices to ultimately tie together.

For IBM PCs, there is a pile of HP software, with names like
OfficeShare, PrintCentral, AdvanceMail, and Business System Plus.
These use TCP/IP over 802.3 (not Ethernet!), and some non-ARPA
services (i.e. proprietary protocols on top of TCP/IP).

Wollongong offers FTP, Telnet, and SMTP for the 3000.  Again, the link
layer only talks 802.3, not Ethernet.  Gateways from cisco will talk
802.3 to the 3000, and will forward the packets in Ethernet to systems
on the other side of the gateway.  HP-UX hosts set up for gatewaying
will do the same thing.  At this time, that is the only way to talk to
an Ethernet-only host.

As for Macs, I don't know.  I guess that Telnet from the Mac to the
Wolly package on the 3000 would be best.  The trick is getting an HP
terminal emulator on that Mac talking through Telnet.  We do have
several Macs in our department, but I don't know what we've learned
about connecting the two (I don't use either the Mac or the 3000).

   But, HP's "TCP/IP" (I don't think it is a real TCP/IP) is junk! What
   other TCP implementations exist for HPs?

I don't know of any other implementations for current MPE.  There was
a limited implementation for MPE-III, and that was last seen at White
Sands Missle Range.

Walter Underwood
HP Software Development Environments