Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!lll-winken!lll-tis!helios.ee.lbl.gov!pasteur!ucbvax!ICDC.LLNL.GOV!OBERMAN From: OBERMAN@ICDC.LLNL.GOV ("Kevin Oberman, LLNL, 422-6955", 415) Newsgroups: comp.os.vms Subject: RE: DECUS asked us to put this here Message-ID: <8807080517.AA07797@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> Date: 6 Jul 88 15:30:00 GMT Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Organization: The Internet Lines: 45 >Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.59/1.28) id AA01549; Thu, 5 May 88 13:10:23 > PDT >Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for > info-vax@kl.sri.com (info-vax@kl.sri.com) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU > if you have questions) >Date: 18 Apr 88 19:04:19 GMT First off, where the **** did this message disappear to? It was mailed back on APRIL 18 and arrived at UCBVAX on July 5. I think US Snail is gfaster than that. Ray's experiences with DECUS are so totally at variance with my own that I am completely baffled to understand them. The NLO pays for both printing and mailing costs for newsletters. In fact, the form to apply for this is included in the standard LUG re-licensing package each year. It SPECIFICLY asks how many newsletters are planned for the year and the cost of printing and mailing of each. Not a whole lot of `talking into' there. Never have I received any `warning' about having presentations on other companies products, although the local DEC sales people don't look too happy when EMC2 is in talking about memory. We do insist that the presentations remain technical and not be sales pitches, but this has never caused any of the third party sales people any problem. They just pull any slides with pricing or other non-technical information and go ahead. And, the idea that DEC has special rights is also not supported by the NLO. A LUG is not an arm of Digital sales. While the charter gives DEC special rights to run exhibits at symposia, it doesn't make any special rights as regards the LUG. In fact, the NLO, at sessions on LUG organization at US Symposia has made a big point that a LUG must NOT allow DEC sales people to use the LUG as a sales office. My concern is that Ray received this totally inaccurate information from someone in the DECUS office. Clearly they are not quoting the correct information and I would hate to see other local groups leave the national organization because someone at the national DECUS office didn't know what he/she was talking about. R. Kevin Oberman Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory Internet: oberman@icdc.llnl.gov (415) 422-6955 Disclaimer: Don't take this too seriously. I just like to improve my typing and probably don't really know anything useful about anything.