Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!lll-winken!lll-lcc!ames!pasteur!agate!unisoft!gethen!abostick@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU From: unisoft!gethen!abostick@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Alan Bostick) Newsgroups: comp.society.women Subject: Re: Women Wizards? Message-ID: <12113@agate.BERKELEY.EDU> Date: 15 Jul 88 01:33:23 GMT References: <11843@agate.BERKELEY.EDU> <11874@agate.BERKELEY.EDU> <12002@agate.BERKELEY.EDU> Sender: usenet@agate.BERKELEY.EDU Organization: There's Unix there in Oakland Lines: 27 Approved: skyler@violet.berkeley.edu (Moderator -- Trish Roberts) Comments-to: comp-women-request@cs.purdue.edu Submissions-to: comp-women@cs.purdue.edu In article <12002@agate.BERKELEY.EDU> patterso@hardees.rutgers.edu (Ross Patterson) writes: > >Strangely, in the IBM side of the business (where I hail from), women >figure quite prominently. [ much stuff on women involved with SHARE deleted ] >Ross Patton >Rutgers University >Center for Computer and Information Services But SHARE is on the users' end of IBM. Within the corporation, when one reaches a certain level, IBM as an institution is as hidebound and patriarchal as you can find anywhere. A woman of my acquaintance (whom I decline to identify) is in the upper levels of management of a firm acquired some time ago by IBM. She has told me many times of how the (almost entirely male, aged 50+) people from IBM at her level in the hierarchy she encounters seem to live in an alternate universe in which feminism never existed. She says she is called "honey" and "dear" all of the time, is frequently mistaken for her own secretary, and makes a point not to take notes at meetings, lest she be elected by acclamation as meeting secretary. The glass ceiling is quite real at IBM, she says. Alan Bostick ucbvax!unisoft!gethen!abostick