Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!lll-winken!lll-tis!helios.ee.lbl.gov!pasteur!agate!eos!eugene@eos.arc.nasa.gov From: eos!eugene@eos.arc.nasa.gov (Eugene Miya) Newsgroups: comp.society.women Subject: Re: Women Wizards? Message-ID: <11793@agate.BERKELEY.EDU> Date: 7 Jul 88 16:33:48 GMT References: <11734@agate.BERKELEY.EDU> Sender: usenet@agate.BERKELEY.EDU Organization: NASA Ames Research Center, Calif. Lines: 31 Approved: skyler@violet.berkeley.edu (Moderator -- Trish Roberts) Comments-to: comp-women-request@cs.purdue.edu Submissions-to: comp-women@cs.purdue.edu It appears my recommendation about ASK has not been forwarded. Marcia raises an interesting questions about women wizards. This is a question I asked some years ago. It is my opinion we do now have them, only they are widely separated. More will come with time. Maybe a decade ago it was rare to find women in computing. Women then had to be careful when associating with keyboards, this I learned while working at JPL. I met some of the most technically compentent women there as well as some suprising incompetent men [still there]. They had to be careful with their associations: with men [note I had no "interest" in any of them, but two were bosses], equipment, organizations, etc. But several summers ago, I started being invited to dinner by different groups of summer students [Join us!], Sure! That stigma was gone. We did talk about women hackers during some of those dinners, and we all concluded that they did not fit the stereotype of man hackers as unclean, etc. So we should not look for a particularly similar physical type. Remember that wizards, hackers, and "other strange personalities" aren't confinded to computers [See Atlanta article on Erdos]. Patience. Another gross generalization from --eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@aurora.arc.nasa.gov resident cynic at the Rock of Ages Home for Retired Hackers: "Mailers?! HA!", "If my mail does not reach you, please accept my apology." {uunet,hplabs,ncar,decwrl,allegra,tektronix}!ames!aurora!eugene "Send mail, avoid follow-ups. If enough, I'll summarize."