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From: todd@uop.edu ( Dr. Nethack )
Newsgroups: sci.electronics
Subject: Re: Free power from 'whispering wires' ??
Summary: oh jeez
Message-ID: <1616@uop.edu>
Date: 15 Jul 88 01:54:38 GMT
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In article , khai@amara.uucp (Sao Khai Mong) writes:
> 
> In article <1606@uop.edu> todd@uop.edu ( Dr. Nethack ) writes:
> 
> >   Look buccko, you did not reply to the rest of what he said.. he
> > mentioned having done it himself to find old pipes.. I have also done
> > this.. with my eyes closed and did find old pipes.. You may not
> > believe in the term "water witch" but I certainly have found that
                         ^^^^^^^^^^^

			 I will add, that I don't either!

> > there are changing resonances near metallic objects, or objects of
> > differing conductivity to the surrounding environs.
> > That is how a metal detector works.. metal detectors are just not passive.

> Boy, this is getting to be like that levitation argument on sci.misc.

No it is not, this has to do with measurable electromagnetics.

> I do not know the conditions under which you found the old pipes, and
> cannot really test you under controlled conditions, so its no use 
> arguing.  But can you please define exactly what you mean by 
> "changing resonances"?   

Sure, lets try to guess what is going on.. I am walking (upright, vertical)
I am carrying two copper rods about 12 guage in my hands, about 12" long
each, bent at 2" with the long ends extended in front of me..

(held in thumb and index finger)

As I walked, the little beggers occasionally swing from pointing front, to
pointing at each other, or laying along the line of the pipe run.

This is a type of antennae effect (I am guessing) since the copper is
parallel to the pipe in question.

Some type of conduction or something is going on.  I presume it is an
electrical effect of somekind.. Would you doubt it if I said a compass
could do the same thing?  (this I did not try)

> Yes, you are right about metal dectectors,
> however are you claiming that the operation of divining rods (those
> wishbone birch twigs or whatever) operate on the same principle?

Sorry, no twigs here, just copper.. don't intend to try twigs.

> >   I hate to belabour the point.  But the family I used to live with
> > has family in the midwest.. THEY RUN THE LIGHTS IN THE BARN THIS WAY!!

> Can you provide a more accurate description of how they operated the
> thing?  Honestly, I am curious, to find out where my training went
> wrong.  How long was the pick coil?  How many loops did it have?

The only description I recieved was "wires wrapped all over the beams in the
barn.

> If my brother was an electronic technician, wouldn't I have loved to
> pull off an April fool's joke on him. 

> > Why don't you trust the FACT that sometimes equations don't fully
> > describe phenomenon?  When was the last time you stood under some high
> > voltage lines and waved a flourescent tube around?  Did it light?  Or
> > was that not possible either?
> 
> Well, I do admit that equations sometimes don't full describe certain
> things.  For instance, the equations might say that you can draw 10 mW
> by inductance air coupling, when in fact you can draw 20 mW.  But
> surely you jest when you say you can actually draw 1000 W.

I did not say that I drew 1000W.
I said they lit up!
Read about Nikola Tesla, then tell me what you think.