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From: DMasterson@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga
Subject: Re: Bashing and flaming
Message-ID: <7101@cup.portal.com>
Date: 4 Jul 88 04:39:44 GMT
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In message <26452@bbn.COM>, denbeste@bbn.COM writes:
>This group goes through cycles of positive outlook to negative outlook and back
>again. Right now we're in a negative one.
>
Could be we're not getting enough input from the right areas to keep this on a
positive outlook?!?  (point to ponder for the rest of the article)  And I'm
not only talking about input here on the 'Net.

>Here are some threads I see as destructive:
>
>I. Commodore bashing
>I.A. Commodore marketing sucks
>
You mention 600,000 A500s in 8 months.  Everybody else says its 600,000 Amigas
(A500s, A1000s, & A2000s) WORLDWIDE in 4 years!  By the numbers I've seen, I
think its closer to 200,000 AMIGAs in 8 months.  Does this hurt your
appreciation of Commodore marketing any??

>I.B. Commodore advertising sucks
>
Commodore has been operating in the black now for (at least) 4 quarters (if I
remember Max Toy correctly).  Although they are not rich like IBM or Apple,
surely they have some money to let people know what is up at Commodore.  I
have seen very little (I have seen more about what Commodore will have to 
offer from Comdex-type reports than I have advertisements of what Commodore
has now! [that doesn't mean Commodore shouldn't announce anything new when
they have it nearly ready -- they should let people know what's going on
NOW]).

>I.C. Commodore quality sucks
>I.C.1 Why can't I expand my A500 as easily as I could a B2000?
>
You got a point here -- people gotta learn...

>I.C.2 My A500 just died - obviously their manufacturing sucks.
>
You got another point here.  The only thing I could say here is that I hope
that any quality problems will come up as more are sold (how many remember the
quality of the original IBM PCs - you pay for being first in line in this
business).  I also hope that Commodore will do as good a job in remembering
their original customers when improvements come out as they have done in the
past (the A1000 upgrade).

>II. Moderator bashing
>
I don't follow this enough to comment on this.

>---------------------------------
>
>The last time this kind of flamage happened, we nearly drove the Commodore
>folks off the net. I don't want to see that happen again.
>
True, but I hope honest opinions (dissension?) are not taken as JUST flamage.

>Steven C. Den Beste,   Bolt Beranek & Newman, Cambridge MA
>denbeste@bbn.com(ARPA/CSNET/UUCP)    harvard!bbn.com!denbeste(UUCP)

David Masterson				 ^-^
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