Xref: utzoo comp.sys.amiga:1423 comp.sys.atari.st:6412 Path: utzoo!utgpu!water!watmath!clyde!cbosgd!ihnp4!chinet!dag From: dag@chinet.UUCP (Daniel A. Glasser) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga,comp.sys.atari.st Subject: Re: MIDIMAZE/other uses..was RE: Amiga and MIDI Keywords: MIDI Amiga Atari ST Message-ID: <1987@chinet.UUCP> Date: 15 Dec 87 08:42:11 GMT References: <447@nuchat.UUCP> <32160@auc.UUCP> <528@otto.COM> <275@stag.UUCP> <6946@ccicpg.UUCP> Reply-To: dag@chinet.UUCP (Daniel A. Glasser) Organization: Chinet - Public Access Unix Lines: 90 In article <6946@ccicpg.UUCP> harald@ccicpg.UUCP ( Harald Milne) writes: > > Sound through the MIDI for games would not be done if the ATARI had any >sound channels worth talking about. Gee, all of a sudden that $2 MIDI interface >costs as much as a Casio! Were talking dirt cheap here. > Back before they dropped it, the ATARI ST was going to have both MIDI and a rahter nice sound chip which by all accounts would have beaten the pants off the AMI's sound chip. > > Well thats really stupid. The UNIX original is called HUNT. The limit >is 3 persons per machine connected via Ethernet. The game becomes more of >what unloaded machine your on. Dragging 15 computers into one locality sounds >really stupid. Whats the % of people are doing that, .00000000001? > I first saw it back long before ethernet and UNIX were readily connected, and it was called "mazewars", and it was running on Xerox Altos connected via ethernet, one user per system. > > You got one point straight. With the Amiga and the Atari costing >the same amount for the least common denominator, the Atari is just silly, >and a waste of money. But we all know that. > I don't think so. The Atari and Amiga both have qualities that the other lacks, but the atari is not a waste of money. It depends on what you want to do with it -- The amiga makes a lousy cash register... I know, I've seen it. The ST makes a lousy music box, but a very good MIDI computer. > > I would too if the machine and OS did nothing. I always wanted ZERO >colors in high resolution mode. Oh wait, thats black and white, right? > You must be one of those people who can work for hours in front of a color monitor. I am not one of those people. I have a higher bandwidth than that. 60 Hz is still annoying, 70 Hz is barely acceptable. Color monitors are hard on the eyes, but Amiga doesn't have a monochrome monitor. Sure, you can attach one, but without a non-color mode, the resolution and screen refresh is no better. For music control applications, most word processiong, and a majority of non-game activities can be done just fine with two colors. > > So why on earth do you have an Atari? > 1) Software is cheaper and more stable. 2) The monochrome monitor's 70 Hz refresh is much easiser on my eyes. 3) When I bought my Atari ST, the Amiga cost about 3 to 5 times as much. 4) Every time I've gone to look at an Amiga at the local computer shop where they push the Amiga much more than the ST, the demo copies of the software are ALWAYS corrupted because the Amiga multi-tasking really screws up royally on a single drive system and corrupts disks left and right. 5) Application startup is usually very slow. 6) I've worked on good graphics systems that would leave you amigoids crying into your HAM images, and know more about graphics hardware than most of you. The Amiga is a limited purpose machine because it has such a great video and audio capability that in order to utilize the hardware, you really must fit your software to the hardware. This is fine for games and graphics of sorts, but not great for general purpose computing. I'm trying not to flame here... >-- >Work: Computer Consoles Inc. (CCI), Advanced Development Group (ADG) > Irvine, CA (RISCy business! Home of the CCI POWER 6/32) >UUCP: uunet!ccicpg!harald I'm not even going to go into your false statements about Atari and Federated coporate policy. Don't talk so smugly about things which you only assume. Until you know some of the facts, don't claim to know the one true way. Enlightenment comes not to those who insist that they are already enlightened thus blind themselves. What I want to know is why you Amiga people insist on coming over here to constantly flame the ST, and then attack anyone from here who goes into amiga territory and flames the Amiga. If you think we are all such fools in this group for owning Atari STs, then let us be fools. We know about your wonder machine. You and it can go and rot in peace, for all most of us care. We have made our choices. It is not for you to say if our choice was right or wrong, it would have been wrong for you, and that is fine, but I wish to any god that might be listening that you and your friends would S H U T T H E H E C K U P ! ! ! ! ! ! Leave it be. Let us live in our folly before we come over and dump all over your front lawn and dig up your daisies! -- Daniel A. Glasser ...!ihnp4!chinet!dag ...!ihnp4!mwc!dag ...!ihnp4!mwc!gorgon!dag One of those things that goes "BUMP!!! (ouch!)" in the night.