Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!portal!cup.portal.com!DMasterson From: DMasterson@cup.portal.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga Subject: Re: Bashing and flaming Message-ID: <7101@cup.portal.com> Date: 4 Jul 88 04:39:44 GMT References: <26452@bbn.COM> Organization: The Portal System (TM) Lines: 61 XPortal-User-Id: 1.1001.2888 In message <26452@bbn.COM>, denbeste@bbn.COM writes: >This group goes through cycles of positive outlook to negative outlook and back >again. Right now we're in a negative one. > Could be we're not getting enough input from the right areas to keep this on a positive outlook?!? (point to ponder for the rest of the article) And I'm not only talking about input here on the 'Net. >Here are some threads I see as destructive: > >I. Commodore bashing >I.A. Commodore marketing sucks > You mention 600,000 A500s in 8 months. Everybody else says its 600,000 Amigas (A500s, A1000s, & A2000s) WORLDWIDE in 4 years! By the numbers I've seen, I think its closer to 200,000 AMIGAs in 8 months. Does this hurt your appreciation of Commodore marketing any?? >I.B. Commodore advertising sucks > Commodore has been operating in the black now for (at least) 4 quarters (if I remember Max Toy correctly). Although they are not rich like IBM or Apple, surely they have some money to let people know what is up at Commodore. I have seen very little (I have seen more about what Commodore will have to offer from Comdex-type reports than I have advertisements of what Commodore has now! [that doesn't mean Commodore shouldn't announce anything new when they have it nearly ready -- they should let people know what's going on NOW]). >I.C. Commodore quality sucks >I.C.1 Why can't I expand my A500 as easily as I could a B2000? > You got a point here -- people gotta learn... >I.C.2 My A500 just died - obviously their manufacturing sucks. > You got another point here. The only thing I could say here is that I hope that any quality problems will come up as more are sold (how many remember the quality of the original IBM PCs - you pay for being first in line in this business). I also hope that Commodore will do as good a job in remembering their original customers when improvements come out as they have done in the past (the A1000 upgrade). >II. Moderator bashing > I don't follow this enough to comment on this. >--------------------------------- > >The last time this kind of flamage happened, we nearly drove the Commodore >folks off the net. I don't want to see that happen again. > True, but I hope honest opinions (dissension?) are not taken as JUST flamage. >Steven C. Den Beste, Bolt Beranek & Newman, Cambridge MA >denbeste@bbn.com(ARPA/CSNET/UUCP) harvard!bbn.com!denbeste(UUCP) David Masterson ^-^ DMasterson@cup.portal.com (@v@) \_/ =^=^=