Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!portal!cup.portal.com!Henry_Burdett_Messenger From: Henry_Burdett_Messenger@cup.portal.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st Subject: Re: Porting utilities to the ST. Message-ID: <6915@cup.portal.com> Date: 27 Jun 88 08:35:39 GMT References: <203@eutrc3.UUCP> <1615@alliant.Alliant.COM> <1043@atari.UUCP> Organization: The Portal System (TM) Lines: 48 XPortal-User-Id: 1.1001.1746 > And could it be that even from DEC > UNIX is about a third the base price of VMS. I don't make marketing policy; if it were up to me, we wouldn't sell it at all. But if our customers want to shoot themselves in the foot, I guess we'll just have to help them. > Wow and VMS comes with what, > golly gee an assembler and some system monitors. Gosh, and when UN*X even gets a system monitor, let me know! > Geese if I want to use > a compiler I have to pay how much more. You have obviously not been involved > with a company that need to get alot out of little money. Know how much programmer time costs in relation to program development tools? > Also imagine trying to rewrite VMS for the > ST. I've thought about it quite often, actually. If the memory management unit had a little more guts... :-) > Talk about a system eats the system. UNIX, because of a basic > simplicity runs 2 to 3 times as fast as VMS (my own bench marks ran as a > user on both operating systems running on identically configured MicroVAX > II's at 3 in the morning with nobody else on. Sounds like a VERY naive use of VMS, to me. Actually UN*X generally runs about 10% slower than VMS on VAXen. Remember that the VAX and VMS were developed *simultaneously* to take advantage of each other's strengths. > please don't badmouth those people who are porting UNIX > utilites to the ST. Don't use them if you don't want to but I use them > often and really appreciate the hard work that have gone into them. I appreciate the work that goes into *any* software tool (I do _that_ for a living). My comments were merely directed at the 'if it isn't UN*X, it's junk' crowd. I personally avoid UN*X, since it's in the serious dark ages compared to VMS. And going from GEM/TOS -> MINIX/X11 isn't going to help performance much... Henry B. Messenger (DEC can have its own opinions; I have mine) ody else on. So untill you can come up with VMS for the ST or wri