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From: bill@carpet.WLK.COM (Bill Kennedy)
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Subject: Re: sendsys
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Date: 24 Jun 88 19:15:17 GMT
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In article <57793@sun.uucp> chuq@sun.UUCP (Chuq Von Rospach) writes:

[ he said it better, I'll not repeat it ]

Thank you!  Before the napalm was dropped that was what I was trying to say.
Webber is a touchy subject.  That apparently obscured my point and stimulated
precisely what I wished to avoid.

>Guerilla tactics on USENET. What a concept. 

Worse!  Anonymous...

>Personally, I doubt the logging information is good enough to get and solid
>information. 

Certainly not if the person is as expert as Chuq suggests.

>More importantly, I think we need to re-think control messages, especially
>mailback control messages. My suggestions (right off the top of my head).

Thank you again!  That was what I was looking for, some suggestions of how
the news software can protect itself against anonymous punishment.

>o admins who can play with source should disable them without waiting. 
>  If you're really motivated, set up the source to trap the message as
>  it goes through, so you don't propogate it to downstream sites that 
>  might not trap it (and therefore will send messages back up the pipe
>  through you!)

That will work for my site and I'll do it, but does it give us any
immunity unless everyone does it?

>o the backbone, especially, should trap and kill these things.

That's immunity.  It's a shame that we need it.  Will they do it?
I can see where mail backs serve a useful purpose but the balancing
act gets pretty complex.  When you add in rutgers' auto reply, as
someone else pointed out, it's doubled again.

For those who didn't see it, the mailer sends you a polite note that
tells you how to properly address oldaddress@rutgers.edu and then it
indulges you by enclosing your original message...
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