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From: cfh6r@uvacs.CS.VIRGINIA.EDU (Carl F. Huber)
Newsgroups: comp.ai
Subject: Re: Free Will & Self Awareness
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Date: 31 May 88 14:39:41 GMT
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In article <5323@xanth.cs.odu.edu> wet@xanth.cs.odu.edu (Warren E. Taylor) writes:
>In article <1176@cadre.dsl.PITTSBURGH.EDU>, geb@cadre.dsl.PITTSBURGH.EDU (Gordon E. Banks) writes:
> 
>"Spanking" IS, I repeat, IS a form of redesigning the behavior of a child.
>Many children listen to you only when they are feeling pain or are anticipating
>the feeling of pain if they do not listen.

>         Also, pain is often the only teacher a child will listen to. He

From what basis do you make this extraordinary claim?  Experience? or do you
have some reputable publications to mention - I would like to see the studies.
I also assume that "some" refers to the 'average' child - not pathological
exceptions.

>                                     I have an extremely hard-headed nephew
>who "deserves" a spanking quite often because he is doing something that is
>dangerous or cruel or simply socially unacceptable. He is also usually
>maddeningly defiant.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Most two to six year olds are.  How old is this child? 17? What other methods
have been tried?  Spanking most generally results from frustrated parents 
who beleive they have "tried everything", while they actually haven't 
begun to scratch the surface of what works.

>learns to associate a certain action with undesirable consequences. I am not
>the least bit religious, but the old Biblical saying of "spare the rod..." is

right, so let's not start something we'll regret, ala .psychology.
>
>Flame away.
>   Warren.

voila.  cheers.

-carl