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From: gilbert@cs.glasgow.ac.uk (Gilbert Cockton)
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Subject: What Next!
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Date: 30 May 88 10:41:52 GMT
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>specifically, Marxist political science - is the key to making progress.  
>And I expect Gilbert will be happier.  
Pat, this is so ignorant.  I doubt that you have much command of political
thought at all.  Marxism regards itself as a science.  Following Engels, it
became deterministic.  Cybernetics is strong in Russia, largely because it
fits in so well with Anti-Duhring style philosophy of science. I do not.

The only intellectual connections between the ideas I have repeated on
social aspects of reality and Marx are:
	i) Early dialetical materialism in the "German Ideology", 
	   certainly not beloved by traditional Marxist-Leninists.
	ii) Marx, with Durkheim and Weber, was one of the founding
	    fathers of sociology. Thus any sociology has some connection
	    with him, just as logic can't escape Principia Mathematica

For a proud defender of logic, this was worse than no response at all. 
Logic is anything but a bourgeois illusion.  It is an academic artefact
which I find hard to link to ownership of the mode of production.
How many factory owners are logicians?  And why not?
-- 
Gilbert Cockton, Department of Computing Science,  The University, Glasgow
	gilbert@uk.ac.glasgow.cs !ukc!glasgow!gilbert

	     The proper object of the study of humanity is humans, not machines