Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!lll-winken!lll-tis!ames!mailrus!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!bloom-beacon!mit-eddie!uw-beaver!fluke!moriarty From: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (Jeff Meyer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac Subject: Re: FullWrite -- I'm sorry, but... Message-ID: <4005@fluke.COM> Date: 6 Jun 88 22:18:08 GMT References: <8013@drutx.ATT.COM> Sender: news@tc.fluke.COM Reply-To: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (Jeff Meyer) Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA Lines: 50 Basically, I ditto Chuq's comments, i.e. I'm not bashing Word, I was glad to have it, but it was a PC word processor, etc. Also that FW is more powerful, except for a few specific areas I described before (styles being the biggest point). I might also point out that I'd rather have two good power word processors on the Mac, and it looks like that's what we may end up with by the end of the year. But currently, FW has completely replaced Word. I'm looking forward to seeing what Microsoft has up their sleeves with Word 4.0 (they're demoing it at our local user group meeting at the end of June -- I'll report). In article <8013@drutx.ATT.COM> clive@drutx.ATT.COM (Clive Steward) writes: > 1) The outliner requires selecting the entire document first, to > generate an outline. I couldn't even seem find a way to do this, > across chapter boundaries. And don't find the outliner interface > nearly as easy or failsafe (scrambled text for me often) as Word's. While I fully agree with your assesments of several of FullWrite's limitations (especially the paragraph spacing and custom styles, though I still think they are outweighed by FW's strong points), this I take exception to. I used Word's outliner for years and HATED it -- found myself swearing at the damn thing on occasions. I really wanted to integrate an outline with my document, and manipulate it so that the headings were hidden, in a different style, etc. I could do it (barely) with Word, but God Hell, was it ever clumsy and non-intuitive. A feature which requires me to go to the manual EVERY time I use it is not a feature. (And let's not get into Word's manuals....) In contrast, FullWrite's outliner fits right in. I ran through the manual once, and had one refresher with the reference manual, and that was it. A cinch. As to your specific complaint, you can create an outline in the document anywhere by using Make Outline -- this inserts an outline at the insertion point. And there are several methods for taking current chapters and transforming them into outlines. I need to check the manual about outlines stretching over chapter boundaries, but I think it can be done (the table of contents feature seems to be an extension of the outliner). >Can we see the progress as fun? Yes -- and I think we're in for some real fun here, because I think both products are going to mature in the very near future. It takes something like this to really underline the benefits of competition in a free-market system. "There will always be survivors." -- Robert Heinlen --- Moriarty, aka Jeff Meyer INTERNET: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM Manual UUCP: {uw-beaver, sun, microsoft}!fluke!moriarty CREDO: You gotta be Cruel to be Kind... <*> DISCLAIMER: Do what you want with me, but leave my employers alone! <*>