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Info-Atari16 Digest   Friday, July 10, 1987   Volume 87 : Issue 269

This weeks Editor: Bill Westfield

Today's Topics:

                Re: World of Atari and corrupted files
                         A request for ue3.8i
                         Re: Pascal Compilers
                        where is all the stuff
                  Re: Writes to ST Cartridge Ports?
                                Gulam
                    Re: GEMBOOT V1.10 and HDB V2.3
                 Re: 520STFM recommendation for Atari
                          Computer For Sale
                         Re: Pascal compilers
                 help needed with Paintpro by Abacus
                               PC Ditto
                 Parker Brothers VS David Addison...
                             Re: PC Ditto
                    Re: GEMBOOT V1.10 and HDB V2.3
                        MINIX on the ATARI ST

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Date: 30 Jun 87 16:17:00 GMT
From: spdcc!m2c!ulowell!apollo!hays@harvard.harvard.edu  (John Hays)
Subject: Re: World of Atari and corrupted files
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

In article <1543@oliveb.UUCP> dragon@oliveb.UUCP (Give me a quarter or I'll
 touch you) writes:
>I've also been waiting for UUCICO to come across the net, but it
>hasn't reached this site.  If anyone's willing to mail ...
>please do so!  Thanks!

ME TOOOO!

ARPA: apollo!hays@eddie.mit.edu
UUCP: hays@apollo.UUCP


--
John D. Hays, Consultant             UUCP: ...!decvax!wanginst!apollo!hays
Corporate Systems Engineering              ...!uw-beaver!apollo!hays
Apollo Computer Inc.                 CIS: 72725,424  {weekly}
               !MY OPINIONS, not Apollo's!

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Date: 30 Jun 87 02:44:59 GMT
From: mnetor!utzoo!utgpu!utcsri!asm@seismo.css.gov
Subject: A request for ue3.8i
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

[]
Hello Folks.

    I'm interested in getting hold of Microemacs 3.8i for the ST.
    I have the 3.8i sources, but the st520.c file (the ST dependent
    source file) has been written for Megamax and contains inline
    assembler.

    Does anyone have a st520.c that will compile under Mark Williams?
    Failing that, I would appreciate an executable.

            Thanks a heap.

            -anees


--
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Date: Wed, 01 Jul 87 12:01:14 GMT
To: INFO-ATARI16@SCORE.STANFORD.EDU
From: K538915%CZHRZU1A.BITNET@wiscvm.wisc.edu
Return-Receipt-To: K538915@CZHRZU1A.BITNET
Subject: Re: Pascal Compilers

Its not the CCD ST-Pascal+/OSS Personal Pascal compiler that limits
the line length to 79 characters, its the editor! For more info on
the upcoming improved version of the compiler (without the 32 kB limit)
have a look at my mail about the annoucement of the new version.

                          Simon
                          K538915@CZHRZU1A.BITNET

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Date: Wed, 1 Jul 87 00:07:35 EDT
From: Michael R. DeCorte 
To: INFO-ATARI16@score.stanford.edu
Subject: where is all the stuff

--- small flame ---
If I remember correctly there were five items that atari anounced
a while back and I have yet to hear of them being in anybody hands.

1) unix box.  I WANT this.  Where is it?  Getting a box with a 68020 +
68881 + MMU (pick one) + LOTS of ram + dma port + unix is not that
hard.  Agreed it is not something you do in an afternoon but not
something to take a LONG time with.  So where is it?  Also if it is
not finished PLEASE put a little kick in it. 25Mhz and 2 meg would be
nice; making certain that more memory can be added, say up to 16 meg.
You might say 16 meg is a bit much but I can and have used that kind
of memory on mainframes (lots of processes) and my guess is that there
will not be any sort of virtual memory so having a lot of internal
memory or potential for it is crusial. If it is finished, release it!

2) Blitter.  Come on.  This was supposed to be in the 1040 (at least
according to the Byte interview).

3) mega ST's.  What's a mega st but an st with a blitter and 2 or 4
meg.

4) The Laser printer?

5) The atari pc?

Also how is the rewrite of GEM going?

The rewrite of the developers documentation. (I did by the doc and was
told that there was a rewrite of the documentation in the queue by
Richard Frick.  It could be that no one has told me; I haven't heard
from atari in about a year.)

This is starting to look like a lot of vapor-ware.  I have several
friends who are looking at atari stuff and I have to tell them to
either my something else or wait and hope.

Please, I don't want a bunch of user flamming me.  All I want is dates
from atari +-30 days, when it will be REALLY released.  Meaning on the
shelves in Ithaca, Syracuse and Montreal.

--- flame off ---

Could some kind sole tell me the date, issue, pages and the such for
the 68020 + 68881 mod for the atari that was or is going to be in
one of the German Mag's c't.  I also heard that they had a 4 meg mod.
I would like to interlibrary loan it.

Michael DeCorte
mrd@clutx.clarkson.edu
mrd@clutx.bitnet

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Date: 30 Jun 87 04:28:28 GMT
From: braner@tcgould.tn.cornell.edu  (braner)
Subject: Re: Writes to ST Cartridge Ports?
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

[]

I put a math chip (NS32081) on the cartridge port of my ST using the
following hardware mod of the ST that I proposed as a standard:

Cut pins 1, 39 and 40 behind the cartridge connector (they are redundant
5V and gnd pins).

Connect pin 1 to the CPU R/W line.

Build a decoder inside the ST (I used one chip, a 74HCT138) that passes
the CPU ~AS signal but only when the address on the address bus is in the
fourth megabyte ($3xxxxx).  Connect that signal to pin 39.

Connect pin 40 to the CPU clock (8 MHz).

You can now write to the cart port using any address in the $3xxxxx range,
and read using the original cartridge port addresses (only!).

You can still use standard cartridges if you cut the traces to pins
1,39,40 inside them.

- Moshe Braner

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Date:         Wed, 1 Jul 1987 11:17 EDT
From:         Holly Lee Stowe 
Subject:      Gulam
To:           

I have been using Gulam to execute outside commands from within my
STadel BBS, however, when I EXIT Gulam and return to the BBS, my cursor
disappears, not to be seen again unless I reboot the BBS or go back to
Gulam (in which case it disappears again when I EXIT).

Any ideas as to why this happens or what I can do to fix it?  I really
miss my cursor.

-Holly
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beware of Quantum Ducks! Quark! Quark!

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Date: 1 Jul 87 04:08:40 GMT
From: mtune!akgua!rbk@RUTGERS.EDU  (R. Brad Kummer)
Subject: Re: GEMBOOT V1.10 and HDB V2.3
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

In article <260@auvax.UUCP>, rwa@auvax.UUCP (Ross Alexander) writes:
> In article <8706290606.AA00991@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU>,Konrad A. Hahn writes:
> > To reduce transatlantic email I sent the newest versions of GEMBOOT and
> > HDB to the ATARINET server (UACE0@UHUPVM1.BITNET) where they can be called
> > off.
>
> Not by me they can't ;-)  Could some kind soul with bitnet access
> grab these things, uuencode them, and dump them onto the Usenet please?
> I predict this will result in a net _reduction_ of traffic.

I second the motion!  Would some kind person please, Please, PLEASE
post these programs to the net?

    Thanks,
    R. Brad Kummer {ihnp4,cbosgd,akgua}!akguc!rbk
    AT&T Bell Laboratories  Atlanta GA

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Date: Wed, 1 Jul 87 11:24:46 PDT
From: Kevin Burnett 
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu
Subject: Re: 520STFM recommendation for Atari

In article <820@looking.UUCP> Brad Templeton writes:
>
>While Atari couldn't realisticly require developers buying the machine to
>sign licences stating they will not develop games, it would probably be
>a good idea.
Ugh. If the ST didn't have good game-playing ability, I wouldn't own one
right now.  The ST was supposed to be a 'home' computer when it was brought
out, i.e. be able to play 'Time Bandit' as well as run Publishing Partner or
whatever.
>
>The Atari has better hardware than the Mac or Mac Plus.  Yet it is still
>perceived by many to be a games machine, while nobody perceives the Mac
>as one.  If there are lots of games, and any customers are buying the
>machines "to play games" then a games machine perception develops.

Oh no! A GAMES MACHINE!  Actually, from the coverage the ST has gotten
in magazines that aren't specific to one brand of computer, the things that
seem to be mentioned the least are the games...

>The better the games are, the worse it is.  Who ever heard of somebody
>buying an IBM or Mac to play games.  Yes, there are many games available

A very good example of a system that flies right in the face of this is
the Apple II series.  The Apple II machines had some of the *best* games
available for any micro, but they weren't perceived as merely game machines.
...
>the machine line.
>--
>Brad Templeton, Looking Glass Software Ltd. - Waterloo, Ontario 519/884-7473
If this came out sounding like some sort of flame-thrower, sorry, it wasn't
intended to sound nasty...
--
Kevin Burnett
Stanford Linear Accelerator Centre / Santa Clara Class of '88
Arpa: kevin@Lindy.Stanford.EDU        Bitnet: KJBSF@SLACVM.BITNET
Old-style UUCP: ...!decwrl!labrea!Lindy!kevin

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Date: 1 Jul 87 08:17:50 GMT
From: csrim@eneevax.umd.edu  (Chong Suck Rim)
Subject: Computer For Sale
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

 Atari 520ST system:

 - 520ST (512k memory)
 - SF-354 single sided disk drive (355K)
 - SF-314 double sided disk drive (712K)
 - SC-1224 color monitor (200 by 640 resolution)
 - Supura 1200/300 bps modem
 - Lots of public domain software. (including editors, terminal emulators,
   and games)

  The system is less than a year old and was bought for $1100
  and is in perfect condition.

  Asking $700.00.
  If interested please call around 6.00pm-8.00pm at 301-439-5966
  or contact -
  US-mail:     Chong S. Rim
               7704 Adelphi Rd. #13
               Hyattsville, MD 20783.

  e-mail:   csrim@eneevax.umd.edu

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Date: 1 Jul 87 18:22:36 GMT
From: hplabsb!piety@hplabs.hp.com  (Bob Piety)
Subject: Re: Pascal compilers
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

Does anyone have any comments/experience with Pecan Software's UCSD PASCAL
package?  It is supposed to support multitasking & they have an assembler,
editor, and compiler for it.

Thanks in advance.

Bob

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Date: 1 Jul 87 20:22:31 GMT
From: necntc!rayssd!rayssdb!ejc@ames.arpa  (Edward J. Casey)
Subject: help needed with Paintpro by Abacus
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

has anyone had the opportunity to use PAINTPRO by Abacus?
and tried to print a picture using a Gemini 10X?
If so, did you create a new print driver, or what?

If I go to full screen and do an alt-help it will print, but
the screen may not reflect the picture (more screen than picture).

Any help is welcome.  thanks.

--
When you don't know what you're doing, do it neatly.

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Date: 1 Jul 87 13:00:43 GMT
From: engst@tcgould.tn.cornell.edu  (Adam C. Engst)
Subject: PC Ditto
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

People talked about PC Ditto emulator coming out last week.  My question is:
has anyone actually used/bought thisproduct and could they post a post a
review to the net?  I'm interested but I could use an address, price, etc.
                                Thanks a lot!
                                    Adam Engst

PS:  If enough people email me instead, I'll summarize.

engst@tcgould.tn.cornell.edu
pv9y@cornella.bitnet

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Date: 1 Jul 87 05:48:45 GMT
From: tektronix!reed!omsi@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (OMSI)
Subject: Parker Brothers VS David Addison...
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

Mega bummer dudes...

I just got some bad news from Dave Addison about two of his programs,
Monopoly and Millebourne.  It seems that Parker Brothers didn't like a
game done so close to the look and rules of their game(s). They said it
was a copyright infringment.  So rather than argue, Dave agreed to spread
the (bad) news that all copies of his Monopoly and Millebourne are to be
erased.  They now fall under the catagory of pirated software.

[Don't reply to me, I'm just passing the news on.]
---------
Russell Schwartz
..!tektronix!reed!omsi          (OMSI)
..!tektronix!reed!percival!russ (Russ Schwartz)
["May the Schwartz be with you!" - Yogurt (from Spaceballs, The Quotes)]

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Date: 2 Jul 87 00:00:18 GMT
From: oliveb!dragon@ames.arpa  (Give me a quarter or I'll touch you)
Subject: Re: PC Ditto
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

in article <1586@batcomputer.tn.cornell.edu>, engst@batcomputer.tn.cornell.edu
(Adam C. Engst) says:
 >
 >
 > People talked about PC Ditto emulator coming out last week.  My question is:
 > has anyone actually used/bought thisproduct and could they post a post a
 > review to the net?  I'm interested but I could use an address, price, etc.
 >                                 Thanks a lot!
 >                                     Adam Engst
 >
 > PS:  If enough people email me instead, I'll summarize.
 >
 > engst@tcgould.tn.cornell.edu
 > pv9y@cornella.bitnet


Well, all I;ve heard have been product announcements and how good this one
is supposed to work.

If anyone can point me to the right place to find it, I'd like to give it a
shot.  Anyone know more?  Speak up!


--
Dean Brunette                      {ucbvax,etc.}!hplabs!oliveb!olivej!dragon
Olivetti Advanced Technology Center     _____   _____   __|__   _____
20300 Stevens Creek Blvd.              |     |  _____|    |    |
Cupertino, CA 95014                    |_____| |_____|    |__  |_____

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Date: 1 Jul 87 17:02:16 GMT
From: mtune!codas!novavax!hrshcx!hechcx!jet@RUTGERS.EDU  (John Teloh)
Subject: Re: GEMBOOT V1.10 and HDB V2.3
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

>In article <8706290606.AA00991@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU>,Konrad A. Hahn writes:
>> To reduce transatlantic email I sent the newest versions of GEMBOOT and
>> HDB to the ATARINET server (UACE0@UHUPVM1.BITNET) where they can be called
>> off.
Could someone on bitnet PLEASE!! post these to usenet. Has anyone
on the net (usenet)  been able to get UHUPVM1 to even say a peep?
Not I...8-)*





--

=       John Teloh
= UUCP:    novavax!hrshcx!hechcx!jet
=    jeteloh@HEC.HARRIS.COM

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Date: 1 Jul 87 16:25:58 GMT
From: mnetor!spectrix!ADMIN@seismo.css.gov  (ADMIN)
Subject: MINIX on the ATARI ST
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

I  asked about Minix on the ST. I have the answer ...
Unfortunately, due to a file system crash, I cannot directly copy the
response, but here is a precis of it:

From Andy Tanenbaum:

1) Minix itself is roughly 80% done; utilities yet to be done (depending
   on modifying the existing compiler to 68000/Atari
2) The book from Prentice Hall (Operating Systems: Design and Implementation)
   will not be updated until 1992.
3) No firm date yet for when Minix on the ST will be available.

One further question ... what sort of disk resources are required to
reasonably run Minix? 10 Mb? 20MB+ ? And what sort of hard drives are
available for the ST (all I have seen is 20 Mb).

Russell Crook (...!seismo!{mnetor,utzoo}!spectrix!rmc)

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