Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!uunet!seismo!ut-sally!husc6!think!ames!ucbcad!ucbvax!FINGATE.BITNET!MAILER-DAEMON From: MAILER-DAEMON@FINGATE.BITNET (Mail Delivery Subsystem) Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st Subject: Returned mail: Unable to deliver mail Message-ID: <8707151611.AA26941@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> Date: Wed, 15-Jul-87 12:12:48 EDT Article-I.D.: ucbvax.8707151611.AA26941 Posted: Wed Jul 15 12:12:48 1987 Date-Received: Fri, 17-Jul-87 06:24:18 EDT Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Distribution: world Organization: The ARPA Internet Lines: 754 ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 554... Unknown fudec host name : sampo ----- Unsent message follows ----- Received: by santra.UUCP (5.51/6.4.TeKoLa) id AA12883; Wed, 15 Jul 87 15:29:36 +0300 From: Message-Id: <8707151229.AA12883@santra.UUCP> Received: by fingate Wed Jul 15 15:29:31 from MAILER@FINHUTC.BITNET via rscs BSMTP. Received: by FINHUTC (Mailer X1.24) id 7646; Wed, 15 Jul 87 06:57:31 FIN Date: Mon 13 Jul 87 19:35:37 PDT Reply-To: Info-Atari16@Score.Stanford.edu Sender: "Atari ST users forum (INFO-ATARI16)" Original-From: Info-Atari16 Digest Subject: Info-Atari16 Digest V87 #275 To: , Original-To: , Info-Atari16 Digest Monday, July 13, 1987 Volume 87 : Issue 275 This weeks Editor: Bill Westfield Today's Topics: How to get ALN from Atari Re: Computer Aided Voicing (Product Announcement) Lattice-C and I/O to full disks Re: What's the latest version of the Sac? (plus other stuff) C development on Amiga and Atari ST Purchase Purchase Re: Aegis Animator and GDOS.PRG Accessible Archives Re: SCSI drives--how do you connect them to the DMA port? Re: "FCC Information Tax" Flap. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 8 Jul 87 21:26:32 GMT From: imagen!atari!apratt@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Allan Pratt) Subject: How to get ALN from Atari To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu I talked with Cindy Claveran and found out that she will send the linker, along with laser-printed documentation (same content as the .DOC file, but nicer-looking), to registered developers who send her $1.50 and a disk. The version she has is slightly newer than the one originally put on Compuserve. I am having John Feagans put the new one up there, too. The only difference is that the linker waits for the Return key when it's done, if you started it with no arguments (e.g. as a .TOS file from the desktop). This feature is half-done in version 1.00, but now is completely done (in version 1.01). If you already got aln, and you use it from a command shell or batch file, don't bother re-downloading it. Cindy's address is: Cindy Claveran Atari (U.S.) Corporation 1196 Borregas Avenue Sunnyvale, CA 94086 USA /----------------------------------------------\ | Opinions expressed above do not necessarily | -- Allan Pratt, Atari Corp. | reflect those of Atari Corp. or anyone else. | ...lll-lcc!atari!apratt \----------------------------------------------/ (APRATT on GEnie) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Jul 87 14:47:43 gmt To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu From: Organisation: Institut Laue Langevin Postal-address: BP156x 38042 GRENOBLE, France Phone: (33)7648-7111 [switchboard] Subject: autogem?? In theJune number of Personal Computer World is a small notice that says that there exists a program called AUTOGEM which allows to boot and run a GEM application directly from the auto folder. It seems to be on the XANTH bulletin board (0101) 206 682 8039. Since I'm in France it is nearly impossible for me to get it directly, so if anybody out there would be so nice to send me a copy I would be very grateful. Many thanks in advance... Please send it arced and uuencoded. My address is FRANK@FRILL51 on earn/bitnet. ------------------------------ Date: 8 Jul 87 09:09:41 GMT From: mnetor!utzoo!utgpu!water!ljdickey@seismo.css.gov Subject: Re: Computer Aided Voicing (Product Announcement) To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu In article <3511@well.UUCP> csz@well.UUCP (Carter Scholz) writes: ... >> Product Announcement July 2, 1987 ... >I thought Usenet policy forbade for-profit commercial announcements here. I am delighted to see such announcements. This one was clearly marked as such. If you don't want to read it, skip it. I hope it appears only once. -- L. J. Dickey, Faculty of Mathematics, University of Waterloo. ljdickey@water.UUCP ljdickey%water@waterloo.CSNET ljdickey%water%waterloo.csnet@csnet-relay.ARPA ljdickey@watdcs.BITNET UUCP: ...!watmath!water!ljdickey ------------------------------ Date: 9 JUL 87 17:40-N From: U00170%HASARA5.BITNET@wiscvm.wisc.edu To: INFO-ATARI16 @ SCORE.STANFORD.EDU Subject: Lattice-C and I/O to full disks Hello all of you, How can I, using Lattice-C and the (I think) level 2 i/o functions like fopen, fprintf etc, find out wether the disk I am writing to is full. Somehow I don't get an error calling ferror when I know I am writing to a full disk. Greetings, Berend F. de Vries. U00170@HASARA5 on Bitnet. ------------------------------ Date: 9 Jul 87 12:46:59 GMT From: rocksanne!xrxns!toml@cs.rochester.edu (Tom Love) Subject: Re: What's the latest version of the Sac? (plus other stuff) To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu In article <2045@trwrb.UUCP>, sansom@trwrb.UUCP (Richard Sansom) writes: > About 2 weeks ago I ordered the Magic Sac from Computer Games + in Orange, > CA. > > Can anyone out there tell me what the latest version should be? Also, does > anyone know of a place in the L.A. area where I can get some Mac ROMs? > > /////////////////////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ > /// Richard E. Sansom TRW Electronics & Defense Sector \\ > \\\ {decvax,ucbvax,ihnp4}!trwrb!sansom Redondo Beach, CA // > \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\///////////////////////////////////// funny, i just had a nearly similar experience with Full Spectrum Computers in Dumfries, VA. (though to be fair the part about promising roms and not including them doesn't apply). i can't help you with your search for roms in the LA area, though as indicated by the mail-order ads in the magazines i read they shouldn't be hard to acquire. going price is $40; i've seen them for as low as $30, but not lately. as for current version -- allow me to refer you to the july/august '87 issue of "current notes" magazine, pg 38. the column, which i highly recommend, is jeff greenblatt's "adventures in the magic sacdom". i admit it's not the greatest title, but it is a very informative column which he's been writing since around last march or so. it's also the only monthly column i've seen anyone writing on the magic sac, in any publication. anyway, according to his column, the latest version is 4.34, which he says was uploaded to compuserve and genie. you can save yourself the 10 dollar software upgrade fee data pacific charges by downloading it yourself. i don't know if the mac download disk has changed, or is available on these services, since i'm not a user of either. a few other points of interest, sort of free-association style, and gleaned from jeff's column and my conversations with the guys at data pacific: the disk translator is awaiting fcc approval. it supposedly will be ready to ship within a period of time measured in weeks, or even days, rather than months. the price guess at by greenblatt is between $100 and $200, though i believe this does not include a drive. quote: "The preliminary info on the box is that it will be connected to the midi ports and the disk drive port of the last drive in the system. it will work even if you only have a 1040 STf without an external drive. It will have its own Z80 processor to handle I/O and a separate power supply, and does not have to be disconnected when not in use... It will also have the ability to differentiate between Magic and Mac formatted disks automatically." taken without permission from the above-cited magazine article. jeff says he plans to have it, and a review ready, for the september issue of current notes. other interesting stuff: after i found myself having problems with my strangely-acting magic sac, i contacted data pacific. turns out my software had been hacked by some perverse sob to display a recent version number (4.0) but was, in fact, something from the 3.x vintage. wanting to get off on the right foot, i order the sw upgrade ($10). however, (this is the interesting part) the guy i spoke with on the phone said that future releases of the sw may/will not support the magic sac, rather will require the magic sac plus (the one with the clock, which goes for an extra $30 or so). i admit i am a bit vague on this, and didn't press him for details. anyway, i also went for their hardware upgrade: for another $25 they swap your sac for a sac plus, including the transfer cable (which goes for $35 alone!). if anyone has more info on this support issue i would be curious to hear more. one more comment about current notes magazine: thru their PD disk service (about which an article was posted here just a few days ago) you can get a whole slew of magic-format disks containing mac utilities, fonts, games, the finder, etc. $4 per disk, plus $1 per 6 disks postage. this is a public service announcement, friends. proceeds from the sale of those disks support novatari, the northern virginia atari user's group, and other d.c. area atari groups. there hasn't been much discussion of the magic sac here; personally i'd like to hear more, and plan to be contributing more as soon as i get my upgrade back. tom love xerox edds leesburg, va 22075 seismo!rochester!rocksanne!xrxns!toml ------------------------------ Date: 9 Jul 87 18:04:43 GMT From: cca!jack@husc6.harvard.edu (Jack Orenstein) Subject: C development on Amiga and Atari ST To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu I've been working on a C program that is cramped in several ways by my ancient (has a cassette interface) IBM PC and early-version Lattice C. In looking at new systems, I've narrowed my choice to the Atari 1040 ST and Amiga A2000, because of the graphics and because 68000-based machines avoid the segment-size problems that IBM has decided we can live with. My requirements are as follows: - Hard disk (at least 20 meg) - At least 1 meg main memory - Fast C compiler, ideally with a source level debugger, make, etc. 100% faithful to K & R (my current Lattice C has a number of problems here). - Emacs I'd be grateful for opinions on hardware/software configurations that you have actually used. Given that the A2000 isn't really out yet, I'm interested in what A1000 users have to say. - COST: How much can I expect to spend on the system, color monitor, 20 meg disk and 1 meg main memory? How much for the C software and editor? - SPEED: What's the speed of the compiler? Relative measures (e.g. twice the speed of an 8088-based PC) and absolute measures (e.g. 500 lines per minute) are of interest. - GRAPHICS: Speed and ease-of-programming. - OVERALL IMPRESSIONS: What do you particularly like and dislike? The second biggest lie in recorded history is "I'll post a summary to the net", but I really will if enough people respond. I can be reached at jack@cca.cca.com. Thanks Jack Orenstein ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jul 87 19:26 EDT From: "Marc C." Subject: Purchase To: info-atari16@SCORE.STANFORD.EDU Hello, I will be purchasing a 1040 relatively soon, and I would appreciate any information anyone has on prices as far as good deals go. It would have to be mail order unless it's someplace around central NY. Also let me know of any problems you have had with dealers. It's funny, I sell computer software and hardware on the side, and one of my distributors started carrying STs. They will sell me a 520, but not a 1040 because Atari said they can only sell them in certain areas. Pretty strange. Thanks in advance, Marc C. Poulin -------------------------------- Marc C. Poulin MicroByte Distributors 6480 Monument Road Rome, NY 13440-7210 AT&T: (315)336-7564 ARPA: Poulin@RADC-MULTICS CIS: 72737,2703 -------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jul 87 19:26 EDT From: "Marc C." Subject: Purchase To: info-atari16@SCORE.STANFORD.EDU Hello, I will be purchasing a 1040 relatively soon, and I would appreciate any information anyone has on prices as far as good deals go. It would have to be mail order unless it's someplace around central NY. Also let me know of any problems you have had with dealers. It's funny, I sell computer software and hardware on the side, and one of my distributors started carrying STs. They will sell me a 520, but not a 1040 because Atari said they can only sell them in certain areas. Pretty strange. Thanks in advance, Marc C. Poulin -------------------------------- Marc C. Poulin MicroByte Distributors 6480 Monument Road Rome, NY 13440-7210 AT&T: (315)336-7564 ARPA: Poulin@RADC-MULTICS CIS: 72737,2703 -------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 9 Jul 87 17:25:00 GMT From: ihnp4!drutx!tlz@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (ZrustTL) Subject: Re: Aegis Animator and GDOS.PRG To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu in article <8707090027.AA00727@sol.PRC.Unisys.COM>, starner@SOL.PRC.UNISYS.COM (Mark L. Starner) says: > > Well, i got a copy of GDOS when I bought DEGAS Elite --- and I thought > it would be great to put NEOchrome, DEGAS and Aegis Animator all on the > > NEOchrome and DEGAS work fine w/GDOS loaded , however the Animator > leaves splotches and peice of menus and mouse blocks all over the place. VIP Professional (GEM version) does not work correctly with GDOS loaded, either. Little blotches and hosed menu bars all over the place. Terry Zrust ------------------------------ Date: 9 Jul 87 20:18 EDT From: Goertzel @ DCA-EMS.arpa Subject: Accessible Archives To: Info-Atari16 @ SCORE.STANFORD.EDU Ashwin-Ram, in his message of 6/27/87, noted his frustration with the statemaent that something had been posted to comp.*.atari16 since we on arpanet can't get at it. Let me add to the frustration when Konrad Hahn feels he has made GEMBOOT version 1.10 available because he posted it to the Atarinet archive at Houston, also not available to arpanet. I believe HDB ver 2.3 is in the same situation. There is supposed to be a program archive at Canada01 called prog-a16. What I available via LISTSERV which is not true of either of the other archives. At least we could cross-post so that the entire net had access to the postings. It can't be such an overwhelming technical problem (or even a personnel problem) to have postings to Atarinet and comp.*.atari16 also posted to prog-a16. Herb Goertzel ------------------------------ Date: 9 Jul 87 22:50:12 GMT From: oliveb!dragon@ames.arpa (Give me a quarter or I'll touch you) Subject: Re: SCSI drives--how do you connect them to the DMA port? To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu in article <3559@watvlsi.UUCP>, rpfeifle@watvlsi.UUCP says: > > What pins have to be connected to what lines, what pins have to be dropped > etc... > > Ron > -- > Ron Pfeifle "What time is it?" > {decvax,allegra,ihnp4}!watmath!watvlsi!rpfeifle "It's the dark ages." > [better get your Oktoberfest tickets now] --the Frantics Ah, but it's not that easy. The only way I know of to hook a standard SCSI interface board to an ST via the DMA port is to buy the Berkeley Micro Systems' hard disk interface board. This is a board which, when hooked to the ST DMA port, gives subset of the SCSI standard port. One can hook a SCSI hard drive to this port, or can go further by then hooking a SCSI-to-ST506/ST412 interface. This would allow hookup of IBM-PC style hard drives. While we're on the subject of drives, just WHO has gotten a 5.25" drive working on the ST? Would anyone like to mail me the pinouts to make a cable and the modifications required to the mechanism? I don't want to hook it up inside an ST drive, I'd like to plug it in to the back of one. -- Dean Brunette {ucbvax,etc.}!hplabs!oliveb!olivej!dragon Olivetti Advanced Technology Center _____ _____ __|__ _____ 20300 Stevens Creek Blvd. | | _____| | | Cupertino, CA 95014 |_____| |_____| |__ |_____ ------------------------------ Posted-From: The MITRE Corp., Bedford, MA To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu Subject: Re: "FCC Information Tax" Flap. Date: Thu, 09 Jul 87 21:16:18 EDT From: jhs@mitre-bedford.ARPA From: xanth!kent@MCNC.ORG (Kent Paul Dolan) *************************** the first posting ************************** >From: bruceb@telesoft.UUCP (Bruce Bergman @spot) Subject: HOW TO RESPOND TO THE FCC REGARDING THEIR PROPOSAL Date: 19 Jun 87 21:44:35 GMT Old-Subject: Re: ATTENTION ALL MICRO USERS!!! FCC INFORMATION TAX AHEAD!! John D. Hays asked for someone to post a sample letter for addressing comments to the FCC regarding their future proposal to surcharge Enhanced Service Providers (such as Tymnet, Telnet, etc.). First of all, THE FCC HAS NOT RELEASED THE DOCKET! Sending in comments before the docket is released would be bad manners. The FCC said that the docket should be released in a couple of weeks. To save hassle, I'll send out a message when the docket is available for public consumption, as well as a lead to where you might obtain said document. Keep an eye out in these newsgroups. The FCC General Docket number is 87-215. The TITLE is "Amendment of Part 69 of the Commission's rules relating to Enhanced Service Providers." An example of how to reply to FCC docket 87-215. Below you will find such a beast. This sample is taken from a recent posting I made to rec.ham-radio to oppose a proposal the FCC was making to remove certain Amateur Radio frequencies. It is a tried and true format that the FCC will consider valid, AS LONG AS YOU FOLLOW THE GUIDELINES LISTED. Take this opportunity to respond to the FCC. They love to let things slide, and to save something, all it takes is a LOT of people writing letters like what is provided below. We've done it before for ham radio -- it can be done here. If you have questions or concerns, PLEASE email me. I'll gladly answer any questions about writing the FCC that I can. Just ask. (The example below mentions a list of possible reasons why you might want to oppose this proposal. Since the docket hasn't been released, I'm not going to include any reasons yet. As soon as I get a copy of the docket, I'll post reasons and references. Stay tuned.) bruce bergman (my net address is at the bottom of this message) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------------- HOW TO REPLY TO FCC DOCKETS --------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The following is a do-it-yourself-kit for responding to FCC docket 87-215 regarding amendment of Part 69 relating to Enhanced Service Providers. Before I get started with the actual "form letter," let me take this opportunity to make a few comments regarding responding to the FCC. EVEN IF YOU DON'T BOTHER WITH THE SAMPLE LETTER STUFF, THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION IS USEFUL AND IMPORTANT TO THE SUCCESS OF YOUR RESPONSE. 1) If you really want to make an impression on the Commissioners, SEND MORE THAN ONE COPY OF YOUR RESPONSE. Send FIVE copies. If you want to make an even better impression, send ELEVEN copies. Five copies makes sure that your vote counts, as well as provides a copy for each of the general groups. Eleven copies will get your document in the 'IN' basket of each Commissioner. If this isn't possible, even ONE letter counts as a vote. Don't send more than 11. Just 11 will do. 2) DON'T SEND FORM LETTERS! While I referred to this message as a "form letter," it really isn't. Form letters are usually not worth the effort you put into them. Why, you ask? Well, while each form letter you send gets counted as a vote, it can be rejected later. If it turns out that we win this round, it is entirely probable that OUR OPPONENTS WILL ASK TO GO THROUGH EACH AND EVERY RESPONSE. If they can show that 100 responses are identical (or closely similar) with the exception of the signature, THEY CAN BE REDUCED TO ONLY ONE VOTE! Make sure your letter is sufficiently different enough not to get caught by this. 3) LIMIT YOUR MAIN ARGUMENTS TO ONE PAGE. If you want to go into more detail, augment your document with additional pages expanding on your original comments, keying to those original points. Number your points. 4) Give REASONABLE REASONS why you oppose this docket. You can't just say that you oppose the rule-making without a sound, reasonable response. REMEMBER THAT THE OPPOSITION WILL READ EACH AND EVERY RESPONSE YOU SEND, if it can benefit them. We don't have that type of financial backing; they *DO*. Use some of the samples below if you're stuck for ideas. 5) MAKE A STATEMENT ABOUT WHO YOU ARE AND WHAT YOU DO. How important you are actually makes a difference. If you have a certain expertise, or if you have a degree of some sort, TELL THEM THAT. It counts a lot for what the commissioners think if they know you are someone who knows what you are talking about. If you run a service, are an administrator, offer services to the public, etc., briefly describe what you do and why. 6) DOUBLE SPACE YOUR DOCUMENT. This can make the difference between your response being read or just counted! If your response is CLEAR, DOUBLE SPACED, and CONCISE, it will be read and given a better subjective value. 7) GET YOUR NEIGHBORS INTO THE ACT. If your friends and/or neighbors are familiar with your activities and support you and your activities, ask them to write a letter to the FCC expressing their concern over how this docket might affect your community. If you can get local officials to do the same, great! Letterhead and many copies make the BEST response. 8) MAKE SURE THE DATE IS ON THE DOCUMENT. It is important that the reader be made aware that this isn't an old response. Put the date on your document. And, of course, DON'T EVER FORGET TO PUT THE DOCKET NUMBER AT THE TOP!! 9) Lastly, remember that this is going to be a very important point in future rule-making efforts. Any time the FCC wins a battle, whether by apathy or some other means, it is a big step for them in the future. If the FCC decides in favor of this docket, it's likely that you will see more of the same type later on. Private agencies will see how easily it went over and base future requests on that information. If we win, it will make it tough for anyone to raise the issue again. If a specific proposal fails to make it through a certain number of times (because of the public's efforts), the commissioners tend to NOT reconsider it again during their term... Even if you don't bother with this proposal, you have a vested interest in what happens to it. Eventually, THIS *WILL* AFFECT YOU! Okay, enough preaching. On to the "form letter." Basically, you will want to create a letter which has the name of the FCC at the top, AS WELL AS A CLEAR POINTER TO THE DOCKET NUMBER. If the people at the FCC have to search for a docket reference, they'll "loose" your response. Here's an example first page header: +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Before the | | FEDERAL COMMUNICATIONS COMMISSION | | Washington DC 20554 | | | | | | In the Matter of \ | | \ | | Amendment of Part 69 of the > GENERAL DOCKET 87 - 215 | | Commission's Rules relating to / | | Enhanced Service Providers / | | | | TO: The Commission | | | | COMMENTS OF , | | | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ After you have created the header, you can begin your text, DOUBLE-SPACED. Begin by expressing who you are and any specific titles, duties, or any responsibilities that might qualify you as someone who has a vested interest in what's going before their consideration. Even only as a user of this network is suitable. Now is NOT the time to be humble, however. Just tactfully explain what makes you significant to this proposal. YOU'RE OUT TO MAKE AN IMPRESSION. DO SO! (Don't be verbose, however.) Then, begin listing the reasons (numbered) WHY you oppose this proposal. The more reasonable the reason, the better. BE CONCISE and clear. If you need to go into detail, refer the reader to attached pages. Here's an example: +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | | | I am a user of an Enhanced Service Provider. I frequently make use | | | | of such services to obtain information from computer information | | | | services that would otherwise be unavailable to me. The information | | | | I obtain allows me to . | | | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ After you've explained who you are, and have shown why you have an interest in this docket, continue with... +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | | | I strongly oppose the Commission's proposal to surcharge Enhanced | | | | Service Providers for the following reasons: | | | | 1. | | | | 2. | | | | 3. | | | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ Remember, you don't need to be verbose to get your point across. You want to make sure the reader understands why you feel the way you do. If you need additional material in order to accomplish this, feel free to include additional pages, however if you are only interested in making your feelings known and don't want to get really in-depth, the simple statements like the ones pictured above are sufficient to make your point. Where you can refer to the text of the original document, DO SO! This is great for those who like to know exactly what you are referring to. It also shows that you have done your homework and are not just spouting off. The best mode of attack in instances like this is to first explain WHY you are against the proposal. Once you have made it clear that there are good reasons why this wouldn't be a good thing, SUGGEST ALTERNATE IDEAS. It can go a long way for your arguments if you can suggest a viable alternative. There are lots of reasons you can supply. I've listed about 10 that come to mind at the bottom of this message. Please use them if you like, however any that are pertinent to your local situation are going to be the better responses. Finally, follow up your reasons with a nice suffix like: +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Respectfully submitted, | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ Black ink is important when you sign your response. Also, make sure that you send the original. Copies for yourself, original to the people you are writing to. Please make sure you sign it and date it. If you have included additional pages, it would be wise to include a trailer at the bottom of each page, designating what page out of the total number of pages this is. Example: +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Responses to General Docket 87-215 Page 1 of 3 | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ Finally, place a return address on your envelope, place the correct postage on it, and mail it SOON! If you can spend the extra cash, don't fold your responses; mail them in a larger manila envelope and keep them flat. This is especially useful if you are sending multiple copies. Chances are that it will get there in one piece, and will look great sitting on the desk of some Commissioner (flat). The key to remember is that you are out to make a feasible point about the docket. You don't want to sound like you don't know what you are talking about, so be sure of your facts. You can best do this by being concise, clear, correct, and impressive. The impressive part comes to bear when you consider arrangement and looks of your document as well as your status in the topic under consideration. If you have any questions, please contact me! This document was prepared by Bruce Bergman, N7HAW, Northern San Diego County EC. To the best of my knowledge, all the information contained herein is correct. Comments, corrections, etc. are welcome and encouraged. ***** Appendix A ***** ***** Possible Responses to Docket 87-215 ***** [To Be Provided] [End of Document] -- bang!- allegra!\ \ (619) 457-2700 x123 gould9! \ crash!--\ ihnp4! \ \ >--sdcsvax!---->--telesoft!bruceb (Bruce Bergman N7HAW) noscvax! / / scgvaxd! / log-hb!--/ TeleSoft, Inc. ucbvax! / / 5959 Cornerstone Court talaris!- San Diego, CA. 92121-9891 All opinions are mine. [ packet: n7haw @ n6atq-1, fido: 103!203 ] ***************************** the second posting **************************** >From: mayerk@linc.cis.upenn.edu (Kenneth Mayer) Subject: Re: ATTENTION ALL MICRO USERS!!! FCC INFORMATION TAX AHEAD!! Summary: Rumor control Date: 17 Jun 87 21:03:07 GMT When last we saw our hero, keithd@cadovax.UUCP (Keith Doyle) ... >In article <2288@husc6.UUCP> hadeishi@husc4.UUCP (mitsuharu hadeishi) writes: >> A terrible piece of news I just read about in the New York Times >>this morning. The FCC just voted 4-0 to impose a $4.50 - $5.50 an HOUR >>tax on people who are using the phone system to transmit information >>across state lines. After seeing all of the various versions of this, I decided to contact the FCC myself and get the facts straight: In 1983, the FCC adopted an access charge plan where every secondary user of local telephone services would be charged a tariff based on the costs of the local exchange. Two groups were exempted from this tariff -- resellers (those who buy telephone service in bulk and resell it at reduced prices) and enhanced service providers (data retrieval, manipulation, and transmission). This year, the resellers were removed from exemption. In a couple of weeks, the FCC will announce a *notice*of*inquiry*. Not a tariff, but a request for comments on a proposed rule change. The proposal is to add enhanced service providers back into the access charge plan. Although the local rates will vary, the national average should be about $0.09/minute. If you would like a copy of the notice of inquiry and instructions on how to submit comments, contact International Transcription Services, (202)857-3800. There will probably be a summary in the Federal Register. If you would like to make a comment, you may also mail a letter directly to the FCC, but I am unsure whether they will be received or acknowledged. Send your letters to The Hon. Dennis Patrick, Chairman, FCC 1919 M Street NW Washington, D.C. 20554 In your letter, state that this is in reference to docket number 87-215. Also, send a copy to your elected representatives. If you have further queries, you may contact the FCC at (202)632-4047. Tell them that you have a query about docket number 87-215. Kenneth Mayer mayerk@eniac.seas.upenn.edu Teacher: "Two plus two equals..." 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