Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!uunet!seismo!mimsy!aplcen!osiris!mjr From: mjr@osiris.UUCP (Marcus Ranum) Newsgroups: comp.unix.wizards Subject: Re: UNIX classified operation - (nf) Message-ID: <1335@osiris.UUCP> Date: Fri, 24-Jul-87 15:22:06 EDT Article-I.D.: osiris.1335 Posted: Fri Jul 24 15:22:06 1987 Date-Received: Sat, 25-Jul-87 15:41:47 EDT References: <175@uw-apl.UUCP> <8300007@iaoobelix.UUCP> <735@jenny.cl.cam.ac.uk> <468@unisoft.UUCP> Organization: The Bavarian Illuminati, Inc. Lines: 31 Summary: obviously you weren't following the discussion In article <468@unisoft.UUCP>, greywolf@unisoft.UUCP (The Grey Wolf @ ext 165) writes: > Why log system calls in the first place? I object to it in two ways: > 1) The kernel overhead and resulting system load would SKYROCKET, resulting > in a slower machine. [... drivel deleted...] > What am I trying to say? I guess I'm not quite sure. But I am sure > that I don't like to see freedoms violated like they would be. [... drivel deleted...] If you had followed the original discussion, rather than jumping in half-cocked, you would have known that the discussion was in reference to the spooks requesting that UNIX provide them with exactly the type of audit trails you are so offended by. Most of the postings, including my example about Ollie's files (though they are actually on an IBM, I learned) were describing the utter stupidity of the idea. I think that most people who are familiar with the real world and UNIX know what a dumb idea the whole thing is. Most people who live in the real world also realize that what the spooks want, the spooks get, since they pay a lot of people's salaries. This type of boneheadedness will all be done on secure UNIX systems, anyhow, and hopefully only a very few of us will ever have to try to get any work done on them. --mjr(); -- If they think you're crude, go technical; if they think you're technical, go crude. I'm a very technical boy. So I get as crude as possible. These days, though, you have to be pretty technical before you can even aspire to crudeness... -Johnny Mnemonic