Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP
Path: utzoo!mnetor!uunet!seismo!uwvax!uwmacc!uwmcsd1!lakesys!gryphon!richard
From: richard@gryphon.CTS.COM (Richard Sexton)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga
Subject: Re: Electronic Arts bashing
Message-ID: <962@gryphon.CTS.COM>
Date: Wed, 15-Jul-87 17:07:25 EDT
Article-I.D.: gryphon.962
Posted: Wed Jul 15 17:07:25 1987
Date-Received: Sat, 18-Jul-87 01:50:11 EDT
References:  <2496@husc6.UUCP> <1651@cadovax.UUCP> <880@hp-sdd.HP.COM>
Reply-To: richard@gryphon.CTS.COM (Richard Sexton)
Organization: Trailing Edge Technology, Redondo Beach, CA
Lines: 57

In article <880@hp-sdd.HP.COM> nick@hp-sdd.UUCP (Nick Flor) writes:
>In article <1651@cadovax.UUCP> keithd@cadovax.UUCP (Keith Doyle) writes:
>>
>>Yeah, look for their entire bureaucracy machine to grind them to a
>>screeching halt as they implement:  
>>
>>			STRUCTURED ANALYSIS AND DESIGN TECHNIQUES!
>>
>>Data flow diagrams, Structure Charts, Data Dictionaries, Pseudocode, 
>>Coding standards, Test Plans, Lab Notebooks, the whole steenking
>>ball of wax.  Total documentation and predictability.  Yeah, that's 
>>it, that's the ticket!
>
>It's this sort of idiotic mentality that prevents quality software
>from coming out.
>
>I am a proponent of structured analysis and design techniques.
>If more companies started using them, then we'd have a hell
>of a lot less bugs to contend with in the software we buy.
>Right now, we have hackers publishing a lot of the software for 
>the Amiga using a bottom-up-do-what-is-easiest-first methodology.  
>Please give me a break.  This only works in the classroom.
>
>>:->
>Didn't sound like you were kidding.  
>
>>Keith
>

Give US a break Nick. Poor old Keith works for a company that USED
to write software, but now they do structured design reviews and hav'nt 
produced a line of code in 2 years.

Besides, Keith has built an audio digitizer, written software for it, 
written a audio playback thing, written an animation scripting program,
etc. What have YOU written ? Or dont you write software ? Or is is still
in the *DESIGN* stage ?

All I've seen YOU do is bitch at other people on the net.
Questioning Leo's motivations, indeed! :-)

In all seriousness guys, a good hacker produces good code.

All the structured design and analysis will not save an idiot.

Pick what you like, use it, and dont bitch about somebody else's tools.

It seems to me that all structured analysis does is prevents you from
painting youself into a corner. Some people can do this in their heads.
(of course some people can visualize 4D). The kind of little bugs you
are complaing about are usually implementational quircks that no amount
of design will prevent.

-- 
Richard Sexton
INTERNET:     richard@gryphon.CTS.COM
UUCP:         {akgua, hplabs!hp-sdd, sdcsvax, ihnp4, nosc}!crash!gryphon!richard