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Info-Atari16 Digest   Thursday, July  9, 1987   Volume 87 : Issue 267

This weeks Editor: Bill Westfield

Today's Topics:

                       Re: I'm not dead yet....
                     Request for Logo information
                        Really to James Turner
     Re: ATTENTION ALL MICRO USERS!!! FCC INFORMATION TAX AHEAD!!
                      Getting ahold of UW source
                  Re: Control-F1, Alt-F1 ??? - (nf)
                      Drive alignment problems?
                    Beckemeyer Multitasking Shell
                      GEMBOOT V1.10 and HDB V2.3
            Re: Re: Re: Repost due to Score failure (long)
                    Re: New Atari Linker Released!
                    Re: New Atari Linker Released?

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Date: Sat, 27 Jun 87 14:30:50 EDT
From: Ashwin Ram 
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu
In-Reply-To: Leila Burrell-Davis's insightful message of 8 Jun 87 18:06:51 GMT
Subject: Re: I'm not dead yet....

>                                                                However, like
>    many other readers of comp.sys.atari.st, I've never been able to reap the
>    benefit of his efforts, because the sources and binaries groups never
 arrive
>    here.  All I can do is foam at the mouth when I hear about the goodies
 other
>    people can get.  Consequently, I am delighted at the reappearance of
 programs
>    in comp.sys.atari.st - long may it continue.

However, we on the ARPAnet (i.e., on the info-atari16@score.stanford.edu
mailing list) haven't seen ANY programs since the comp.*.atari.st newsgroups
were created.  This, as well as the non-appearance of programs even on
comp.*.atari.st at many sites, makes me feel that we should go back to doing
things the old way.  OK, so we got some cruft now and then, but at least there
were lots of programs to look forward to.

If this isn't possible, could we at least have the programs being posted on
comp.*.atari.st be forwarded to info-atari16@score.stanford.edu -- PLEASE!!!
DCFORMAT is the first program I've seen in many months.  Let's have lots more!

-- Ashwin Ram --

ARPA:    Ram-Ashwin@yale
UUCP:    {decvax,linus,seismo}!yale!Ram-Ashwin
BITNET:  Ram@yalecs

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Date: 27 Jun 87 18:37:27 GMT
From: ravi@mcnc.org  (Ravi Subrahmanyan)
Subject: Request for Logo information
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

[]
    The following message is _not from the poster_.  Please send
replies directly to Jane Hesketh at the address given below.  Thanks,
                                -ravi

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
From: Jane Hesketh 
Subject: logo for the ST
Cc: jane%aiva.edinburgh.ac.uk@Cs.Ucl.AC.UK


does anyone know of any real, working versions of logo for the ST,
and how I might get hold of them? Or even ones likely to appear
soon?

            thanks

                Jane Hesketh
                hesketh%uk.ac.edinburgh@uk.ac.ucl.cs

Dept of Artificial Intelligence
University of Edinburgh,
Edinburgh,
Scotland

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Date:     Sat, 27 Jun 87 12:17 EST
From:     Matt Kimmel 
To:       Info-Atari16@SCORE.STANFORD.EDU
Subject:  Really to James Turner
X-VMS-To: CSNET%"Info-Atari16@Score.Stanford.edu"

Sorry to post this to the net, but I got a letter from James Turner
and his return address didn't work.

James, I never was able to get comp.sources.atari.st, so please mail
me the source for ST Curses.  Thanks very much!

-Matt Kimmel

Bitnet:  KIMMEL@UMAECS
CSNet:  KIMMEL@ECS.UMASS.EDU
Internet:  KIMMEL%ECS.UMASS.EDU@RELAY.CS.NET
UUCP:  ...!seismo!UMAECS.BITNET!kimmel

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Date: 25 Jun 87 23:36:47 GMT
From: nbires!hao!noao!mcdsun!rover!mph@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Mark Huth)
Subject: Re: ATTENTION ALL MICRO USERS!!! FCC INFORMATION TAX AHEAD!!
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

I know people who have refused to pay the excise tax on their telephone bills.
The phone company does not disconnect their phones, but does turn them over
to the appropriate Treasury types, who then proceed to make life miserable
for the individual claiming First Amendment protections.  After all, that's
their job.  Do not engage in this activity unless you really want a war.
Many people I know have been fighting for years, losing everything in the
battle.  Some feel that it is worth it.  Fortunately for us, some similar
type crazies dedicated their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honors
to a similar cause about 211 years ago.  Of course, they were patriots, while
current day defenders of liberty are just crazy (right, left, pick a direction)
wing loonies who desire to destroy our fine current situation of perpetual debt
and impending slavery.

The payment for transportation of information is not necessarily a tax, and
even if it was a tax, would not be a violation of the First Amendment, as your
rights to free speech are not being infringed.  You may speak freely, publish
(at your own expense), etc., but as soon as you use regulated services, your
freedom meets a conflicting interest.  This does not mean that you shouldn't
let the FCC and Congress know how you feel about the issue, just that the
enterprise in question is not off limits to the tax and spend crowd.

As for what is frivolous and what is not, consider that the Supreme Court
has repeadedly failed to hear arguments on our Constitutional monetary
provisions.  They do so, not out of lack of opportunity, but because the
current economic system is founded upon an un-Constitutional power granted
to the Federal Reserve.  Article One, Section 8 gave the power to COIN
MONEY to Congress, but withheld the power to print money (emit bills of
credit).  The power to emit bills of credit was originally part of the
draft of the Constitution, but in the debate was removed - see Madison's
Journal and other records of the Constitutional debates.  Moreover, Article
One, Section 10 forbade the states from coining money, emitting bills of
credit, or making anything other than gold or silver coin a tender in payment
of debt.  Again, the power to emit bills of credit was debated in the
convention, originally proposing that the power could only be execised with
the consent of the US Congress, but amended (during the debate in convention)
to be an absolute prohibition with the
stated intention of "crushing paper money".  Such facts are a matter of record,
but the courts consider them frivolous - read inconvenient - at this point in
time.  Many Americans have been conditioned to believe that their courts work
well, and that the Supreme Court determines what the Constitution says.  This
is not a conclusion drawn from the Constitution, but rather by John Marshall, a
early Chief Justice, who, BTW was fond of the Alien and Sedition Laws.
Rather, "He who has the Gold, makes the rules," or more
correctly, he who has the gold, has the power to print money (usurped) to buy
the politicians and judges who make the rules.

Admittedly, some arguments are frivolous, many others are incorrect, but many
arguments labeled frivolous by the government have not been discredited, but
rather the courts have simply chosen to ignore them.  If one does not believe
another, or refuses to listen to another, does not mean that one has
discredited another.  Arguments should be judged on their own merits, rather
than by the opinions of others, or of the press (or even by whether I can spell
or not).

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Date: 28 Jun 87 19:13:38 GMT
From: puff!sadler@rsch.wisc.edu  (Jonathan Sadler)
Subject: Getting ahold of UW source
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

A while back, some users were asking for UW source for the ST.  I too
would like to get ahold of said code.

Thanks in advance,

Jonathan Sadler

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Date: 27 Jun 87 15:52:21 GMT
From: ihnp4!alberta!ubc-vision!ubc-cs!manis@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Vincent Manis
Subject: Re: Control-F1, Alt-F1 ??? - (nf)
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

In article <766@atari.UUCP> apratt@atari.UUCP (Allan Pratt) writes:

>> does anyone know, if there is a way to distinguish between
>> Functionkey F1, ALT-F1 and CTRL-F1 using C (MWC).
>...You tell the OS to put the shift key state
>in that byte by setting bit 3 in the (published) system variable "conterm"
>to 1 (that is, *(char *)0x484 |= 4;).  Better clear it again before
>your program exits, though, because the desktop might not be able to
>handle it (use *(char *)0x484 &= ~4;).

One slight point: "conterm" is in protected memory. You will get cherry
bombs if you do what Allan says without turning off protect. In MWC, the
way to do it is to use the peek and poke [sic!] functions.

\begin{flame}
This one is directed at IBM, not Atari, who merely copied IBM slavishly.
I tried to write a routine which would let me read keystrokes in which the
ALT key sets the high bit of the code (thus letting you turn on extended
graphics). What you do is to use only the scan code and shift bits, ignoring
the translated character; depending on the state of the shift bits, you use
one of three translation tables. It all worked nicely...until I tried
ALT+digit. The codes in the tables are wrong. At first I thought it was yet
another BIOS bug, until I happened to notice in an IBM Tech Ref Manual the
same rules. Ugh.
\end{flame}

-----
Vincent Manis                {seismo,uw-beaver}!ubc-vision!ubc-cs!manis
Dept. of Computer Science    manis@cs.ubc.cdn
Univ. of British Columbia    manis%ubc.csnet@csnet-relay.arpa
Vancouver, B.C. V6T 1W5      manis@ubc.csnet
(604) 228-6770 or 228-3061

"To lose one parent, Mr Worthing, may be regarded as a misfortune; but
to lose both looks like carelessness." -- Oscar Wilde

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Date: 29 Jun 87 00:24:16 GMT
From: mnetor!utgpu!lansd@seismo.css.gov  (Robert Lansdale)
Subject: Drive alignment problems?
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu


  Has anyway had problems with their drives after opening a window
without a disk in the drive? I have done the following several times
(by accident) and have had to have the drive replaced 3 times: I
removed the disk and had the ST do a seek, but instead it made the
usual sound that it would make if no disk were in the drive. After
using the drive for a few hours the old 'READ ERROR' box would start
popping up on usually working diskettes.
   I would normally have to close the window, and re-open it to have
it read the diskette properly (re-home/re-align the head).
   I am fed up with this occuring, is there an easy fix to my drive's
problem, or must it be replaced AGAIN!

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Date: 29 Jun 87 01:11:22 GMT
From: ecsvax!tcamp@mcnc.org  (Ted A. Campbell)
Subject: Beckemeyer Multitasking Shell
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

Has anyone tried the Beckemeyer multitasking shell for the STs?
I'd be interested in hearing reactions.

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Date:     Sun, 28 Jun 87 22:26:43 +0200 (Central European Sommer Time)
From: XBR4D76H%DDATHD21.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu
Subject:  GEMBOOT V1.10 and HDB V2.3
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu
X-Vms-To: X%"info-atari16@score.stanford.edu"

To reduce transatlantic email I sent the newest versions of GEMBOOT and
HDB to the ATARINET server (UACE0@UHUPVM1.BITNET) where they can be called
off.

HDB V2.3 has same minor improvements:
 - deselect floppy (the ROM startup code leaves the floppy drives selected
   till first access)
 - optional switch to floppy boot if a special key combination is pressed
   during boot

New features of GEMBOOT V1.10 (compared to V1.08) are:
 - incremental add of folder cache blocks during directory scan
 - indicates free directory cache space left after login
 - adjustable size of DESKTOP environment buffer
 - definition of DESKTOP environment variables within GEMBOOT.INF
 - optional use of batch shell other than COMMAND.TOS
 - new program GEMFRL.TOS to locate and print the GEMDOS internal free
   lists

  Konrad A. Hahn
  BITNET: XBR4D76H@DDATHD21

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Date: Mon, 29 Jun 87 13:29:11 GMT
To: INFO-ATARI16@SCORE.STANFORD.EDU
From: K538915%CZHRZU1A.BITNET@wiscvm.wisc.edu
Return-Receipt-To: K538915@CZHRZU1A.BITNET
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Repost due to Score failure (long)

Landon Dyer writes:
>> As I understand, it will NOT be. The only thing Atari has admitted, is
>> that they have/are/will be working on a new version of GEMDOS for release
>> some time in the future, as far as we know this could just be another proof
>> for the amount of competence in HYPE that Atari has.
>You could claim I'm lying, but we REALLY ARE doing a re-write.  And
>it's harder than it sounds to make bug fixes to code that's:
>
>        (1) everywhere;
>        (2) in ROM;
>
>... but we don't expect you to sympathize.  :-)
Oh yes I do sympathize! Landon, I didn't want to imply that anybody
at Atari would lie about such a thing, it's just that the history
of the fixes for the ST series would suggest that even if completed,
a GEMDOS rewrite would never be distributed. Sorry for the (not Atari
related) bad temper I was in when I wrote that message.

>>         HD boot fix: been available Atari internally for a long time,
>>                      but probably will never be distributed. HDB 2.3
>>                      is probably better anyway!

>It has been done since September of 1986.  I have been trying to push
>it out the door ever since.  Not my fault -- put 22 cents to work and
>send a letter to Leonard Tramiel.
Is there any sensible marketing reason for this???????????????????????


                            Simon Poole
                            K538915.CZHRZU1A.BITNET

PS: I still think Atari is able to do a good job of customer support,
    as I've mentioned before, the September 86 fix to HDX was by my
    dealer a month later! (This didn't stop the people here from selling
    HD's with the old version!)

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Date: Mon, 29 Jun 87 15:34:33 GMT
To: INFO-ATARI16@SCORE.STANFORD.EDU
From: K538915%CZHRZU1A.BITNET@wiscvm.wisc.edu
Return-Receipt-To: K538915@CZHRZU1A.BITNET
Subject: Re: New Atari Linker Released!

Allan Pratt writes:
>The product is my first major project here at Atari: a new linker, to
>act as a replacement for LINK68 and RELMOD.  This linker, called ALN, is
>about eight times faster than LINK68, and doesn't need the additional
>RELMOD pass.  It is also friendlier, I think, and more robust.  It has
>been used internally for some time (many moons), and we have decided
>that it's solid enough for release.
>
>If you are a developer, please go to the Developer's SIG on Compuserve
>and download this new tool.  Let me know what you think of it.
>
>If you aren't an Atari developer using Alcyon C, you're not missing
>anything: this tool is strictly for use with the object modules produced
>by Alcyon C and AS68.  (What other languages use this format? Does
>anybody know of one?)
Don't panic, I'm not complaining again :-). CCD ST-Pascal+/OSS Personal
Pascal uses the DRI format. The first releases of CCD Pascal were
actually distributed with Link68 and AESBIND/VDIBIND. Probably it's
still not of so much interest for owners of the Pascal package, since
the linker which is selled with it now, is pretty fast ans doesn't need
RELMOD too. But good news for everybody with Alycon C.......just one
question: is Atari planning to distribute this to  parts of Atari
Corp. outside the USA? If yes I would alert my friends with the
developers package to the fact.
>
>(Please don't start clamoring for them, but there are more tools in the
>works:  my new debugger and Landon's new assembler are also approaching
>release.)
Sounds even better!

                          Simon Poole
                          K538915.CZHRZU1A.BITNET

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Date: Mon, 29 Jun 87 16:30:17 GMT
To: INFO-ATARI16@SCORE.STANFORD.EDU
From: K538915%CZHRZU1A.BITNET@wiscvm.wisc.edu
Return-Receipt-To: K538915@CZHRZU1A.BITNET
Subject: Re: New Atari Linker Released?

Allan Pratt writes:
>The product is my first major project here at Atari: a new linker, to
>act as a replacement for LINK68 and RELMOD.  This linker, called ALN, is
..........................
>If you aren't an Atari developer using Alcyon C, you're not missing
>anything: this tool is strictly for use with the object modules produced
>by Alcyon C and AS68.  (What other languages use this format? Does
>anybody know of one?)
Don't panic, I'm not complaining again :-). CCD ST-Pascal+/OSS Personal
Pascal uses the DRI format. The first releases of CCD Pascal were
actually distributed with Link68 and AESBIND/VDIBIND. Probably it's
still not of so much interest for owners of the Pascal package, since
the linker which is selled with it now, is pretty fast ans doesn't need
RELMOD too. But good news for everybody with Alycon C.......just one
question: is Atari planning to distribute this to  parts of Atari
Corp. outside the USA? If yes I would alert my friends with the
developers package to the fact.

>(Please don't start clamoring for them, but there are more tools in the
>works:  my new debugger and Landon's new assembler are also approaching
>release.)
Sounds even better! (And hows the new documentation going?)

                          Simon Poole
                          K538915.CZHRZU1A.BITNET

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