Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!utgpu!water!watmath!clyde!cbosgd!ihnp4!ptsfa!ames!ucbcad!ucbvax!BRL.ARPA!dpk From: dpk@BRL.ARPA.UUCP Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip Subject: Internet Uselessness Message-ID: <8707090344.aa02151@SEM.BRL.ARPA> Date: Thu, 9-Jul-87 03:44:20 EDT Article-I.D.: SEM.8707090344.aa02151 Posted: Thu Jul 9 03:44:20 1987 Date-Received: Sat, 11-Jul-87 18:01:30 EDT Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Distribution: world Organization: The ARPA Internet Lines: 43 Well, I am again trying to use the Internet to accomplish real work and finding it almost impossible due to the almost none-existent throughput. IETF*/BBN/DCA/DARPA have yet to be able to solve the performance problems that have been plaguing the Internet for months. There was a time when I could easily sit here at BRL on the East Coast and manipulate files and programs at Berkeley with ease. This is no longer possible to do reliably. It has gotten to the point now that phone calls at 1200 baud will get more work done. I am getting ready to dust off my UUCP... Lest some of you misunderstand, there are parts of the Internet that are reasonably healthy, such as the MILNET proper, which while its had its problems (e.g. C300 software that falls on its face), in general works fairly well. But the MILNET is only a part of the much larger Internet. The MILNET alone is of little use to us if we cannot talk successfully to the rest of the Internet. Under one hat I am a member of IETF so I am aware of the nature of many of these problems. But under my other hat as a simple "user" of the network, I don't care why its broken, it just needs to get fixed. IETF understands many of the problems, but seems to lack power to get those with the resources to take action. There are ways to fix the network but it takes money and priority on the problem. This need to happen soon. The Internet is needlessly getting a black eye because its not working. Telling me that the load went up and therfore performance went down is no excuse. If we expected to be successful, we should have expected the load. The Internet is too important to all of us (including the military) to let this continue. Do DCA/BBN/DARPA have any comments on this? Who do we have to push to get this fixed? Cheers, -Doug- Doug Kingston Advanced Computer Systems Team Systems Engineering and Concepts Analysis Division U.S. Army Ballistic Research Laboratory * - Internet Engineering Task Force