Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!uunet!seismo!husc6!think!ames!ucbcad!ucbvax!FINGATE.BITNET!MAILER-DAEMON From: MAILER-DAEMON@FINGATE.BITNET (Mail Delivery Subsystem) Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st Subject: Returned mail: Deferred: Connection timed out during user open with op Message-ID: <8707142331.AA11566@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> Date: Tue, 14-Jul-87 20:22:24 EDT Article-I.D.: ucbvax.8707142331.AA11566 Posted: Tue Jul 14 20:22:24 1987 Date-Received: Fri, 17-Jul-87 01:26:30 EDT Sender: fwo@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Distribution: world Organization: The ARPA Internet Lines: 451 ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 554 qfAA01583: line 6:... Unknown fudec host name ----- Unsent message follows ----- Received: by santra.UUCP (5.51/6.4.TeKoLa) id AA01583; Mon, 13 Jul 87 18:47:44 +0300 From: Message-Id: <8707131547.AA01583@santra.UUCP> Received: by fingate Mon Jul 13 18:47:40 from MAILER@FINHUTC.BITNET via rscs BSMTP. Received: by FINHUTC (Mailer X1.24) id 0253; Mon, 13 Jul 87 18:11:47 FIN Date: Sat 11 Jul 87 15:20:45 PDT Reply-To: Info-Atari16@Score.Stanford.edu Sender: "Atari ST users forum (INFO-ATARI16)" Original-From: Info-Atari16 Digest Subject: Info-Atari16 Digest V87 #270 To: , Original-To: , Info-Atari16 Digest Saturday, July 11, 1987 Volume 87 : Issue 270 This weeks Editor: Bill Westfield Today's Topics: Re: MINIX on the ATARI ST Re: Writes to ST Cartridge Ports? Re: New Atari Linker Released! UniTerm ... Re: Control-F1, Alt-F1 ??? - (nf) Re: MINIX on the ATARI ST Help with dev kit utilities Re: Notice of intent to post Mark Johnson C compiler (shareware) Re: Basepage in Lattice C [was: Micro-RTX: Help needed!] Re: Basepage in Lattice C [was: Micro-RTX: Help needed!] DX7-II, ST, MusiLisp, Crumar Spirit, INFO PLEASE UUENCODED files - corruption over BITNET Re: Mega-ST release date? IBM disks... Re: 520STFM recommendation for Atari ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 2 Jul 87 00:04:46 PDT From: Kevin Burnett To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu Subject: Re: MINIX on the ATARI ST In-Reply-To: <296@spectrix.UUCP> In article <296@spectrix.UUCP> ADMIN@spectrix.UUCP writes: ... ->One further question ... what sort of disk resources are required to ->reasonably run Minix? 10 Mb? 20MB+ ? And what sort of hard drives are ->available for the ST (all I have seen is 20 Mb). From what I understand, Minix will run on an IBM PC with two floppy disk drives (360K variety), so I'd think that you'd be able to run it on an ST with 1 double-sided drive... >Russell Crook (...!seismo!{mnetor,utzoo}!spectrix!rmc) -- Kevin Burnett Stanford Linear Accelerator Centre / Santa Clara Class of '88 Arpa: kevin@Lindy.Stanford.EDU Bitnet: KJBSF@SLACVM.BITNET Old-style UUCP: ...!decwrl!labrea!Lindy!kevin ------------------------------ Date: 30 Jun 87 17:55:47 GMT From: tikal!hplsla!hpvcla!davel@beaver.cs.washington.edu (David Lowe) Subject: Re: Writes to ST Cartridge Ports? To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu >I am posting this for a friend who wants to tie into the cartridge slot >of a 512 ST. He is attempting to interface to a video digitizer (from >BYTE magazine - one of Steve Ciarcia's projects). Does anyone have >information on what needs to be done in hardware and software to >accomplish this? Steve Ciarcia's video digitizer/transmitter aritcles were in two issues of Byte. One of those issues also carried a hardware project for the ST. That ST article describes in detail a way to write to the cartridge port. Also included is a description of why running the R/W line out to the port won't work. (The project was a real time clock for the ST.) Speaking of real time clocks; is it feasible to provide battery backup to the keyboard controller? Thereby keeping it's clock running. Does GEMDOS set it's clock from the kyboard clock at Power-On/Reset? Dave Lowe hp-pcd!hpvcla!davel ------------------------------ Date: 2 Jul 87 05:25:52 GMT From: pyramid!uccba!hal!cwruecmp!bammi@decwrl.dec.com (Jwahar R. Bammi) Subject: Re: New Atari Linker Released! To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu In article <773@atari.UUCP> apratt@atari.UUCP (Allan Pratt) writes: >If you aren't an Atari developer using Alcyon C, you're not missing >anything: this tool is strictly for use with the object modules produced >by Alcyon C and AS68. (What other languages use this format? Does >anybody know of one?) Personal Pascal does, and supposedly MegaMax 2.0. -- usenet: {decvax,cbosgd,sun}!cwruecmp!bammi jwahar r. bammi csnet: bammi@cwru.edu <---------Please note change of address arpa: bammi@cwru.edu <---------Please note change of address compuServe: 71515,155 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Jul 87 12:45:56 GMT To: INFO-ATARI16@SCORE.STANFORD.EDU From: K538915%CZHRZU1A.BITNET@wiscvm.wisc.edu Return-Receipt-To: K538915@CZHRZU1A.BITNET Subject: UniTerm ... UniTerm 1.7b 000-023 have a scrolling region related bug, that under some circumstances can cause problems with multi-window editors like EMACS etc.. I'm suprised that nobody reported the problem, since probably a lot of people must have noticed it. Please keep on reporting bugs and problems, normally small problems (like the one with the scrolling region, which was just a typo) are fixed within 24 hours and if possible a fixed version will be sent to you via e-mail. Anyway the fixed version 1.7b 027 is available from the usual places, I don't intend a USENET distribution right now, as a major new release with a lot of new features should be available in < 2 months. If anybody has some good arguments for a USENET distribution of the current version please e-mail them to me.......... Simon Poole K538915@CZHRZU1A.BITNET PS: Has anybody ported somekind of source control system to the ST yet? I need one! ------------------------------ Date: 29 Jun 87 10:35:00 GMT From: mcvax!unido!qtecmuc!ger@seismo.css.gov Subject: Re: Control-F1, Alt-F1 ??? - (nf) To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu in article <19400005@qtecmuc.UUCP>, ger@qtecmuc.UUCP says: > does anyone know, if there is a way to distinguish between > Functionkey F1, ALT-F1 and CTRL-F1 using C (MWC). > All routines like Bconin or Crawcin don't make a difference at all. ... state when the key was hit. You tell the OS to put the shift key state in that byte by setting bit 3 in the (published) system variable "conterm" to 1 (that is, *(char *)0x484 |= 4;). Better clear it again before your program exits, though, because the desktop might not be able to handle it (use *(char *)0x484 &= ~4;). Thank you, it (almost) works fine !!! But it should be '|= 8' and '&= ~8' in your examples. ^ ^ Gerhard Pehland UUCP: ...!seismo!unido!qtecmuc!ger ------------------------------ Date: 2 Jul 87 15:15:07 GMT From: oliveb!dragon@ames.arpa (Give me a quarter or I'll touch you) Subject: Re: MINIX on the ATARI ST To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu in article <296@spectrix.UUCP>, ADMIN@spectrix.UUCP (ADMIN) says: > > One further question ... what sort of disk resources are required to > reasonably run Minix? 10 Mb? 20MB+ ? And what sort of hard drives are > available for the ST (all I have seen is 20 Mb). > > Russell Crook (...!seismo!{mnetor,utzoo}!spectrix!rmc) Supra makes large model hard disks. At the recent World Of Atari expo in Santa Clara, Supra showed a 250mb (!) hard disk. Berkeley Micro Systems has an interface board (set) that will allow one to connect just about any ST506/412 or SCSI interfaced hard disk. I don't know much about them, but BTL apparently offers the same sort of setup as well as ready to run units. -- Dean Brunette {ucbvax,etc.}!hplabs!oliveb!olivej!dragon Olivetti Advanced Technology Center _____ _____ __|__ _____ 20300 Stevens Creek Blvd. | | _____| | | Cupertino, CA 95014 |_____| |_____| |__ |_____ ------------------------------ Date: 3 Jul 87 21:47:36 GMT From: sandra@cs.utah.edu (Sandra J Loosemore) Subject: Help with dev kit utilities To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu Does anybody have any instructions for using the utility programs "FIND" and "SID" that come with the developer's kit? I can't get FIND to find anything, and the only thing I've found from experimenting with SID is that typing "R filename" will load your program. I can't find any documentation at all about these utilities except a mention of what they are. Help!!! -Sandra Loosemore (sandra@cs.utah.edu, sandra@utah-cs) ------------------------------ Date: 3 Jul 87 23:31:50 GMT From: tektronix!tekig!tekig4!georgew@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (George Walker) Subject: Re: Notice of intent to post Mark Johnson C compiler (shareware) To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu Let me update everyone on the situation regarding the shareware C compiler: It was posted to the net on May 18, 1987. I never saw it on the net, but distribution was world, so I suspect some of you did. Several sites in Canada wrote to say they had gotten it, but no one in the US did. Eric Gisin is receiving the latest version from Mark Johnson, and has offered to post it to the net after he has checked it out. The new version has a greatly expanded libc, as well as a new cc.ttp and as.ttp. George S. Walker {decvax,hplabs,...}!tektronix!tekig4!georgew FLAMENET Tektronix, Inc. georgew@tekig4.TEK.COM DOMAIN (503) 627-4669 tekig4!georgew.tektronix@Udel-Relay ARPANET ------------------------------ Date: 22 Jun 87 19:15:32 GMT From: mcvax!ukc!man.psy!dcl-cs!bath63!pes@seismo.css.gov (Paul Smee) Subject: Re: Basepage in Lattice C [was: Micro-RTX: Help needed!] To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu It appears from the GEMSTART source that Lattice C (at least 3.04) puts the basepage address into an xternal variable named _pbase ; give it a try... ------------------------------ Date: 22 Jun 87 19:22:37 GMT From: mcvax!ukc!man.psy!dcl-cs!bath63!pes@seismo.css.gov (Paul Smee) Subject: Re: Basepage in Lattice C [was: Micro-RTX: Help needed!] To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu Sorry if this shows up twice, not sure I got the distribution right. Lattice C (version 3.04) seems to pdefine a variable _pbase in the GEMSTART module, which appears to be used to hold the basepage address. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Jun 87 23:39:56 GMT From: mcvax!ukc!warwick!kay@seismo.css.gov (Kay Dekker) Subject: DX7-II, ST, MusiLisp, Crumar Spirit, INFO PLEASE To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu Hi, people! The Faculty of Art and Design at Coventry Polytechnic, England, has just bought itself a DX7-II synthesiser, so that its AudioVisual courses can have some Audio content at last... What we'd like to know is: i) Does anyone out there know of any useful knowledge about this beast? We've just had it dumped on us with the message ``Go on, do something creative with it''; are there any good books on using it? ii) Is there any software that people have that they could either give us (not too expensive, we just blew the budget on the synth :-)) or tell us about? We have the usual sort of machines (Olivetti M24 PC lookalikes, a Mac, and some Atari STs), but I'd much prefer to use the ST. We'd like things like patch editors and archivers, but anything that anyone thinks might be interesting, could they please mail me with brief info? iii) Somebody (I can't remember who, and it was a while ago) mentioned a Lisp system specifically for music research. I think it was called ``MusiLisp'', or something fairly close to that. Does anyone have any info about this? As a radical Lispian, I'd like to do any software development in a Lisp-like system. iv) (Synth folks) Has anyone out there ever heard of a monophonic, analogue synth called the Crumar Spirit? I'm the proud (poor) owner of one of these fine instruments (beasts) and I wonder if I'm the only one (sucker)... OK, you can stop snickering now and go play with your SynClaviers :-( Kay. PS: Please mail me as ...ukc!warwick!covpoly!kay (my work address, rather than ...ukc!warwick!kay, where I'm only a guest). -- "Jung'f n tbbq ohqql? V'yy gryy lbh - n tbbq ohqql tbrf vagb gbja, trgf n pbhcyr bs oybjwbof, gura pbzrf onpx naq tvirf lbh bar." ------------------------------ Date: 1 Jul 87 07:53:56 GMT From: mcvax!ukc!lithium!andrew@seismo.css.gov (Andrew B Smith) Subject: UUENCODED files - corruption over BITNET To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu Hi, Could someone tell me the character changes that occure when a UUENCODED file is sent through an IBM host on BITNET (I think ~ is one). Thank you, Andrew ------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Andrew B Smith | UUCP: andrew@kcl-cs.UUCP Dept. of Computing, | JANET: UDAC041@UK.AC.KCL.CC.VAXA King's College London, | BITNET, The Strand, | EARN: UDAC041%VAXA.CC.KCL.AC.UK@UKACRL.BITNET LONDON WC2R 2LS | United Kingdom | TPHONE: 01-836-5454 ext: 2239 | ------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Andrew B Smith | UUCP: andrew@kcl-cs.UUCP Dept. of Computing, | JANET: UDAC041@UK.AC.KCL.CC.VAXA King's College London, | BITNET, The Strand, | EARN: UDAC041%VAXA.CC.KCL.AC.UK@UKACRL.BITNET LONDON WC2R 2LS | United Kingdom | TPHONE: 01-836-5454 ext: 2239 ------------------------------ Date: 30 Jun 87 16:08:57 GMT From: mcvax!ukc!reading!onion!brueer!ralph@seismo.css.gov (Ralph Mitchell) Subject: Re: Mega-ST release date? To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu In article <762@atari.UUCP> neil@atari.UUCP (Neil Harris) writes: >> >A question for Atari: Is there an official release date for the Mega-ST? >> > Simon Poole > >The Mega ST release is imminent. We see no reason to wait on the laser -------- Is this another way of saying "Real Soon Now" ?? Does "imminent" refer to a time span less than "It's In The Post" ?? :-) :-) >--->Neil Harris, Director of Marketing Communications, Atari Corporation -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Ralph Mitchell | VOICE: +44 895 74000 Ext 2561 Computer Centre | ARPA: ralph%ee.brunel.ac.uk@ucl-cs.arpa Brunel University | UUCP: ...!mcvax!ukc!ee.brunel.ac.uk!ralph Uxbridge | JANET: ralph@uk.ac.brunel.ee UB8 3PH | UNITED KINGDOM | "Noli illegitemi carborundum" ------------------------------ Date: 29 Jun 87 20:50:35 GMT From: mcvax!ukc!dcl-cs!bath63!pes@seismo.css.gov (Paul Smee) Subject: IBM disks... To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu Well, at long last we've got a 3.5 inch drive for one of our IBM/PCs. I've determined the following.. Using a disk formatted on the IBM, you can write files on the IBM to be read by the ST, and you can write files on the ST to be read by the IBM. At least as far as I tried it, you can 'mix and match'. That is, you can write some files on the IBM, add some more on the ST, add some more on the IBM, and so on, and everything works. (Though NOTE, keeping Moshe's comments in mind, so far I've only tryed playing with files on the ROOT of the disk. Haven't tried folders/subdirectories. As an experiment, I tried putting some files (on the ST) onto a STANDARD ST formatted disk (formatted from the desktop menu command). As rumoured, the PC could not cope with this disk. However, our PC guru determined that by patching 4 bytes in the disk header, the disk could be made to work on the PC. These were (all values in HEX): offset in boot sector (sector 0) change 00 from 00 to EB 01 from 00 to 34 02 from 4E to 90 36 from 4E to FA (Again, note that's 36 HEX.) The first 3 bytes are a JUMP instruction for an 8086 family micro. It is possible that this change might mean you could not BOOT from this disk on the ST. Byte 36 is the 'media description byte' for a 720K (formatted) disk. A different value is probably required if you are using a single sided disk (we tried DS). The Atari can happily read the patched disk. Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: 2 Jul 87 14:06:16 GMT From: mnetor!utzoo!utgpu!water!ljdickey@seismo.css.gov Subject: Re: 520STFM recommendation for Atari To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu In article <1583@batcomputer.tn.cornell.edu> braner@tcgould.tn.cornell.edu (braner) writes: > >I don't think it's the fact that some people write games for the ST that >gives it a game-machine image. Lots of games are written for the Mac and >the IBM! It's that the brand name 'Atari' has historically been firmly >attached to video games. I think Moshe is right about this. On at least two occasions, I have mentioned Atari to friends when their kids were present. The kids got all excited and asked me if I got a 400 or an 800. Since then, I have been somewhat on the defensive. On another occasion, it was the parents who know about the games machines. There is a long range view that could be taken here... when these kids grow up, they may form a large market base for the company. Remember when big blue put its boxes into universities and colleges. I think that everybody understood that when the students graduated and found their place in the business world, they would be positively inclined towards blue computers Lee -- L. J. Dickey, Faculty of Mathematics, University of Waterloo. ljdickey@water.UUCP ljdickey%water@waterloo.CSNET ljdickey%water%waterloo.csnet@csnet-relay.ARPA ljdickey@watdcs.BITNET UUCP: ...!watmath!water!ljdickey ------------------------------ End of Info-Atari16 Digest ************************** -------