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Info-Atari16 Digest   Saturday, July 11, 1987   Volume 87 : Issue 270

This weeks Editor: Bill Westfield

Today's Topics:

                      Re: MINIX on the ATARI ST
                  Re: Writes to ST Cartridge Ports?
                    Re: New Atari Linker Released!
                             UniTerm ...
                  Re: Control-F1, Alt-F1 ??? - (nf)
                      Re: MINIX on the ATARI ST
                     Help with dev kit utilities
   Re: Notice of intent to post Mark Johnson C compiler (shareware)
       Re: Basepage in Lattice C [was: Micro-RTX: Help needed!]
       Re: Basepage in Lattice C [was: Micro-RTX: Help needed!]
           DX7-II, ST, MusiLisp, Crumar Spirit, INFO PLEASE
               UUENCODED files - corruption over BITNET
                      Re: Mega-ST release date?
                             IBM disks...
                 Re: 520STFM recommendation for Atari

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Date: Thu, 2 Jul 87 00:04:46 PDT
From: Kevin Burnett 
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu
Subject: Re: MINIX on the ATARI ST
In-Reply-To: <296@spectrix.UUCP>

In article <296@spectrix.UUCP> ADMIN@spectrix.UUCP writes:
...
->One further question ... what sort of disk resources are required to
->reasonably run Minix? 10 Mb? 20MB+ ? And what sort of hard drives are
->available for the ST (all I have seen is 20 Mb).
From what I understand, Minix will run on an IBM PC with two floppy disk
drives (360K variety), so I'd think that you'd be able to run it on an
ST with 1 double-sided drive...
>Russell Crook (...!seismo!{mnetor,utzoo}!spectrix!rmc)


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Date: 30 Jun 87 17:55:47 GMT
From: tikal!hplsla!hpvcla!davel@beaver.cs.washington.edu  (David Lowe)
Subject: Re: Writes to ST Cartridge Ports?
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

>I am posting this for a friend who wants to tie into the cartridge slot
>of a 512 ST. He is attempting to interface to a video digitizer (from
>BYTE magazine - one of Steve Ciarcia's projects). Does anyone have
>information on what needs to be done in hardware and software to
>accomplish this?

Steve Ciarcia's video digitizer/transmitter aritcles were in two issues
of Byte. One of those issues also carried a hardware project for the ST.
That ST article describes in detail a way to write to the cartridge port.
Also included is a description of why running the R/W line out to the
port won't work. (The project was a real time clock for the ST.)

Speaking of real time clocks; is it feasible to provide battery backup
to the keyboard controller? Thereby keeping it's clock running. Does
GEMDOS set it's clock from the kyboard clock at Power-On/Reset?

Dave Lowe
hp-pcd!hpvcla!davel

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Date: 2 Jul 87 05:25:52 GMT
From: pyramid!uccba!hal!cwruecmp!bammi@decwrl.dec.com  (Jwahar R. Bammi)
Subject: Re: New Atari Linker Released!
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

In article <773@atari.UUCP> apratt@atari.UUCP (Allan Pratt) writes:
>If you aren't an Atari developer using Alcyon C, you're not missing
>anything: this tool is strictly for use with the object modules produced
>by Alcyon C and AS68.  (What other languages use this format? Does
>anybody know of one?)

    Personal Pascal does, and supposedly MegaMax 2.0.
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Date: Thu, 02 Jul 87 12:45:56 GMT
To: INFO-ATARI16@SCORE.STANFORD.EDU
From: K538915%CZHRZU1A.BITNET@wiscvm.wisc.edu
Return-Receipt-To: K538915@CZHRZU1A.BITNET
Subject: UniTerm ...

UniTerm 1.7b 000-023 have a scrolling region related bug, that under
some circumstances can cause problems with multi-window editors like
EMACS etc.. I'm suprised that nobody reported the problem, since
probably a lot of people must have noticed it.
  Please keep on reporting bugs and problems, normally small problems
(like the one with the scrolling region, which was just a typo)
are fixed within 24 hours and if possible a fixed version will be sent
to you via e-mail.
  Anyway the fixed version 1.7b 027 is available from the usual places,
I don't intend a USENET distribution right now, as a major new release
with a lot of new features  should be available in < 2 months. If
anybody has some good arguments for a USENET distribution of the current
version please e-mail them to me..........

                          Simon Poole
                          K538915@CZHRZU1A.BITNET

PS: Has anybody ported somekind of source control system to the ST yet?
    I need one!

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Date: 29 Jun 87 10:35:00 GMT
From: mcvax!unido!qtecmuc!ger@seismo.css.gov
Subject: Re: Control-F1, Alt-F1 ??? - (nf)
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

    in article <19400005@qtecmuc.UUCP>, ger@qtecmuc.UUCP says:
    > does anyone know, if there is a way to distinguish between
    > Functionkey F1, ALT-F1 and CTRL-F1 using C (MWC).
    > All routines like Bconin or Crawcin don't make a difference at all.
    ...
    state when the key was hit.  You tell the OS to put the shift
    key state in that byte by setting bit 3 in the (published)
    system variable "conterm" to 1 (that is, *(char *)0x484 |=
    4;).  Better clear it again before your program exits, though,
    because the desktop might not be able to handle it (use *(char
    *)0x484 &= ~4;).

Thank you, it (almost) works fine !!!
But it should be '|= 8' and '&= ~8' in your examples.
                     ^           ^

Gerhard Pehland
UUCP:  ...!seismo!unido!qtecmuc!ger

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Date: 2 Jul 87 15:15:07 GMT
From: oliveb!dragon@ames.arpa  (Give me a quarter or I'll touch you)
Subject: Re: MINIX on the ATARI ST
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

in article <296@spectrix.UUCP>, ADMIN@spectrix.UUCP (ADMIN) says:
>
> One further question ... what sort of disk resources are required to
> reasonably run Minix? 10 Mb? 20MB+ ? And what sort of hard drives are
> available for the ST (all I have seen is 20 Mb).
>
> Russell Crook (...!seismo!{mnetor,utzoo}!spectrix!rmc)

Supra makes large model hard disks.  At the recent World Of Atari expo in
Santa Clara,  Supra showed a 250mb (!) hard disk.

Berkeley Micro Systems has an interface board (set) that will allow one to
connect just about any ST506/412 or SCSI interfaced hard disk.

I don't know much about them, but BTL apparently offers the same sort of
setup as well as ready to run units.

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Date: 3 Jul 87 21:47:36 GMT
From: sandra@cs.utah.edu  (Sandra J Loosemore)
Subject: Help with dev kit utilities
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

Does anybody have any instructions for using the utility programs "FIND" and
"SID" that come with the developer's kit?  I can't get FIND to find anything,
and the only thing I've found from experimenting with SID is that typing
"R filename" will load your program.  I can't find any documentation at
all about these utilities except a mention of what they are.  Help!!!

-Sandra Loosemore
(sandra@cs.utah.edu, sandra@utah-cs)

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Date: 3 Jul 87 23:31:50 GMT
From: tektronix!tekig!tekig4!georgew@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (George Walker)
Subject: Re: Notice of intent to post Mark Johnson C compiler (shareware)
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

Let me update everyone on the situation regarding the shareware C compiler:
It was posted to the net on May 18, 1987.

I never saw it on the net, but distribution was world, so I suspect some of
you did.  Several sites in Canada wrote to say they had gotten it, but no
one in the US did.  Eric Gisin  is receiving the
latest version from Mark Johnson, and has offered to post it to the net
after he has checked it out.  The new version has a greatly expanded libc, as
well as a new cc.ttp and as.ttp.

George S. Walker {decvax,hplabs,...}!tektronix!tekig4!georgew    FLAMENET
Tektronix, Inc.     georgew@tekig4.TEK.COM                DOMAIN
(503) 627-4669     tekig4!georgew.tektronix@Udel-Relay        ARPANET

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Date: 22 Jun 87 19:15:32 GMT
From: mcvax!ukc!man.psy!dcl-cs!bath63!pes@seismo.css.gov  (Paul Smee)
Subject: Re: Basepage in Lattice C [was: Micro-RTX: Help needed!]
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

It appears from the GEMSTART source that Lattice C (at least 3.04) puts the
basepage address into an xternal variable named _pbase ; give it a try...

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Date: 22 Jun 87 19:22:37 GMT
From: mcvax!ukc!man.psy!dcl-cs!bath63!pes@seismo.css.gov  (Paul Smee)
Subject: Re: Basepage in Lattice C [was: Micro-RTX: Help needed!]
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

Sorry if this shows up twice, not sure I got the distribution right.

Lattice C (version 3.04) seems to pdefine a variable _pbase in the
GEMSTART module, which appears to be used to hold the basepage address.

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Date: 20 Jun 87 23:39:56 GMT
From: mcvax!ukc!warwick!kay@seismo.css.gov  (Kay Dekker)
Subject: DX7-II, ST, MusiLisp, Crumar Spirit, INFO PLEASE
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

Hi, people!

The Faculty of Art and Design at Coventry Polytechnic, England, has
just bought itself a DX7-II synthesiser, so that its AudioVisual
courses can have some Audio content at last...

What we'd like to know is:

    i)  Does anyone out there know of any useful knowledge
    about this beast?  We've just had it dumped on us with
    the message ``Go on, do something creative with it'';
    are there any good books on using it?

    ii) Is there any software that people have that they
    could either give us (not too expensive, we just blew
    the budget on the synth :-)) or tell us about?  We
    have the usual sort of machines (Olivetti M24 PC
    lookalikes, a Mac, and some Atari STs), but I'd much
    prefer to use the ST.
    We'd like things like patch editors and archivers,
    but anything that anyone thinks might be interesting,
    could they please mail me with brief info?

    iii) Somebody (I can't remember who, and it was a while
    ago) mentioned a Lisp system specifically for music
    research.  I think it was called ``MusiLisp'', or something
    fairly close to that.  Does anyone have any info about
    this?  As a radical Lispian, I'd like to do any software
    development in a Lisp-like system.

    iv) (Synth folks) Has anyone out there ever heard of a
    monophonic, analogue synth called the Crumar Spirit?
    I'm the proud (poor) owner of one of these fine instruments (beasts)
    and I wonder if I'm the only one (sucker)...  OK, you can
    stop snickering now and go play with your SynClaviers :-(

                            Kay.

PS:  Please mail me as ...ukc!warwick!covpoly!kay (my work address,
rather than ...ukc!warwick!kay, where I'm only a guest).
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 n pbhcyr bs oybjwbof, gura pbzrf onpx naq tvirf lbh bar."

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Date: 1 Jul 87 07:53:56 GMT
From: mcvax!ukc!lithium!andrew@seismo.css.gov  (Andrew B Smith)
Subject: UUENCODED files - corruption over BITNET
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu


Hi,

Could someone tell me the character changes that occure when a UUENCODED
file is sent through an IBM host on BITNET (I think ~ is one).

Thank you,

Andrew


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Dept. of Computing,    |  JANET:  UDAC041@UK.AC.KCL.CC.VAXA
King's College London,    |  BITNET,
The Strand,        |  EARN:   UDAC041%VAXA.CC.KCL.AC.UK@UKACRL.BITNET
LONDON WC2R 2LS        |
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Andrew B Smith        |  UUCP:   andrew@kcl-cs.UUCP
Dept. of Computing,    |  JANET:  UDAC041@UK.AC.KCL.CC.VAXA
King's College London,    |  BITNET,
The Strand,        |  EARN:   UDAC041%VAXA.CC.KCL.AC.UK@UKACRL.BITNET
LONDON WC2R 2LS        |
United Kingdom        |  TPHONE: 01-836-5454 ext: 2239

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Date: 30 Jun 87 16:08:57 GMT
From: mcvax!ukc!reading!onion!brueer!ralph@seismo.css.gov  (Ralph Mitchell)
Subject: Re: Mega-ST release date?
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

In article <762@atari.UUCP> neil@atari.UUCP (Neil Harris) writes:

>> >A question for Atari: Is there an official release date for the Mega-ST?
>> >  Simon Poole
>
>The Mega ST release is imminent.  We see no reason to wait on the laser
                        --------

Is this another way of saying  "Real Soon Now" ??  Does "imminent" refer
to a time span less than  "It's In The Post"  ??  :-) :-)

>--->Neil Harris, Director of Marketing Communications, Atari Corporation



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Date: 29 Jun 87 20:50:35 GMT
From: mcvax!ukc!dcl-cs!bath63!pes@seismo.css.gov  (Paul Smee)
Subject: IBM disks...
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

Well, at long last we've got a 3.5 inch drive for one of our IBM/PCs.  I've
determined the following..  Using a disk formatted on the IBM, you can
write files on the IBM to be read by the ST, and you can write files on the
ST to be read by the IBM. At least as far as I tried it, you can 'mix and
match'.  That is, you can write some files on the IBM, add some more on the
ST, add some more on the IBM, and so on, and everything works.  (Though
NOTE, keeping Moshe's comments in mind, so far I've only tryed playing
with files on the ROOT of the disk.  Haven't tried folders/subdirectories.

As an experiment, I tried putting some files (on the ST) onto a STANDARD ST
formatted disk (formatted from the desktop menu command).  As rumoured, the
PC could not cope with this disk.  However, our PC guru determined that by
patching 4 bytes in the disk header, the disk could be made to work on the
PC.  These were (all values in HEX):

     offset in boot sector (sector 0)    change
                 00                    from 00 to EB
                 01                     from 00 to 34
                 02                    from 4E to 90
                 36                    from 4E to FA

(Again, note that's 36 HEX.)  The first 3 bytes are a JUMP instruction for
an 8086 family micro.  It is possible that this change might mean you could
not BOOT from this disk on the ST.  Byte 36 is the 'media description byte'
for a 720K (formatted) disk.  A different value is probably required if you
are using a single sided disk (we tried DS).  The Atari can happily read the
patched disk.

Cheers, Paul

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Date: 2 Jul 87 14:06:16 GMT
From: mnetor!utzoo!utgpu!water!ljdickey@seismo.css.gov
Subject: Re: 520STFM recommendation for Atari
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

In article <1583@batcomputer.tn.cornell.edu> braner@tcgould.tn.cornell.edu
(braner) writes:
>
>I don't think it's the fact that some people write games for the ST that
>gives it a game-machine image.  Lots of games are written for the Mac and
>the IBM!  It's that the brand name 'Atari' has historically been firmly
>attached to video games.

I think Moshe is right about this.  On at least two occasions, I have mentioned
Atari to friends when their kids were present.  The kids got all excited and
asked me if I got a 400 or an 800.  Since then, I have been somewhat on the
defensive.  On another occasion, it was the parents who know about the games
machines.  There is a long range view that could be taken here... when these
kids grow up, they may form a large market base for the company.   Remember
when big blue put its boxes into universities and colleges.  I think that
everybody understood that when the students graduated and found their place
in the business world, they would be positively inclined towards blue computers

                        Lee
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 L. J. Dickey, Faculty of Mathematics, University of Waterloo.
 ljdickey@water.UUCP    ljdickey%water@waterloo.CSNET
 ljdickey%water%waterloo.csnet@csnet-relay.ARPA
 ljdickey@watdcs.BITNET        UUCP: ...!watmath!water!ljdickey

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