Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!uunet!seismo!uwvax!oddjob!gargoyle!ihnp4!homxb!mtuxo!mtune!codas!cpsc6a!rtech!wrs!dg From: dg@wrs.UUCP (David Goodenough) Newsgroups: comp.misc Subject: Re: Hacker Scholarship Message-ID: <234@wrs.UUCP> Date: Fri, 10-Jul-87 15:53:18 EDT Article-I.D.: wrs.234 Posted: Fri Jul 10 15:53:18 1987 Date-Received: Sun, 12-Jul-87 16:00:17 EDT References: <2757@mtgzz.UUCP> <345@genesis.UUCP> <2318@hoptoad.uucp> <1063@killer.UUCP> <1135@codas.ATT.COM> Reply-To: dg@wrs.UUCP (David Goodenough) Organization: Wind River Systems, Emeryville, CA Lines: 35 In article <1135@codas.ATT.COM> dlm@codas.ATT.COM (Don_L_Million) writes: > Stuff deleted > >Sure! And rapists are just nice guys trying to learn something about sex! >This is the stupidest article I've seen. I suppose that if someone stole >your car, and then told the police that he was just trying to learn how to >drive, you'd think he was a nice guy looking for an education? [Getting out my flamethrower :-)] I think someone here is forgetting the original definition of a hacker as opposed to a phreak. Using the above analogy, a hacker would be roughly like Casanova, whereas a PHREAK would be your rapist. In other words phreak is the term that should be used to describe people that attempt malicious damage or theft. I use the term hacker to describe someone like myself who writes a 90% full implementation of rogue on a Z80, or who doesn't like the BIOS for his system, so he re-writes it, or who just generally isn't afraid to spit on his hands and go to work with assembler doing things that not even C can acheive. NOTHING I have done while wearing my hacker hat has ever constituted theft or malicious damage. I think that trojan horses are just plain sick, BBSs are there for useful interchange of information, or entertainment. [Flamethrower away] P.S. I missed a golden opportunity - Listening to KFOG this morning they had Woz in the studio for at least 1/2 an hour, and I never got a chance to call him up and get his thoughts on the matter. C'est la vie. -- dg@wrs.UUCP - David Goodenough +---+ | +-+-+ +-+-+ | +---+