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From: ravi@mcnc.UUCP (Ravi Subrahmanyan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: And the winner is...
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Date: Wed, 15-Jul-87 11:52:40 EDT
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Posted: Wed Jul 15 11:52:40 1987
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Summary: Lots of bull, mostly: you probably want to skip this.

In article <421@rocky.STANFORD.EDU> ali@rocky.UUCP (Ali Ozer) writes:
[ Called a bunch 4 dealers & 2 mail order places for the 4Meg
expansion and couldn't find it; only Winners Circle had heard of it]

	I once mentioned during a discussion about the Magic Sac 
(with people from Winners Circle, actually), that just because they or
their friends couldn't get Mac software to run on the Sac, it did not
mean the Sac was no good; it simply meant it was being used by klutzes;
because, others had used it very successfully.

	These 4meg expansion boards are advertised in ST magazines (I
learnt about them there), have been reviewed, and are sold directly by
the manufacturer in many cases.  Our local dealer knows about them, and 
will install them if asked to do so.  I don't think it means a damn
that you couldn't find one; look, one thing that differentiates an ST
user from say an  :-) user is that they read ST magazines, and
__know where to find things for the ST__.  Chek out some recent issue
of STarT, you'll find the ads.  The one from TechSpecialities was even
in this newsgroup a while back.

>The reason I said "kludge" is all the memory expansions to the 1040ST
>that I've ever heard of have been in the form of brave souls who open
>up their machines and solder in their own memory chips. 

	Simply not true, at least around here.  Granted, many people
have done what Ali says (I have also - becaue all I could afford was
$75 for the chips).  Many friends have 520s expanded with boards;
again, check ST mags for ads offering to do this.

>If it's as easy
>as "pop open the ST, unplug the MMU (?), plug in the new board, and
>voila," then why don't more ST owners have 2 Meg machines?  It's 
>difficult to see how an average 1040 user can upgrade his/her machine to
>2 or 4 Megs. 

	I think its simply because they have no use for more; there
isn't much you can do with the ST right now that you especially need
more than a meg for; note that some of the expansion boards normally
are only populated with an extra meg or 1/2 meg, though you can go to
4 - (at least one board needs 1meg chips for that though).

>As an Amiga user, on the other hand, I can go to
>The Computer Attic (5 minutes away) or either HT Electronics store (15 & 25
>minutes away) and pick myself a 2 Meg expansion, come home, and install it
>without even "popping" the Amiga open. For less than $600. Or I can do it
>mail order, for about $450. So there.

	My my, we're happy now, aren't we.. I completely agree with
you, but I was solely concerned with non-kludgy expansions for the ST.
I don't have an amiga, and I don't care about expansions for it.

>> Ali, objective as far as the ST goes?  Best laugh I've had all month...
>Well I'm glad you were amused. 

	I'm glad you took it so well.  Hey, maybe we could even get along,
Ali?

>And the Mac II doesn't multitask. 

	True.
								-ravi