Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!uunet!seismo!columbia!rutgers!sri-spam!ames!sdcsvax!ucbvax!FINGATE.BITNET!MAILER-DAEMON From: MAILER-DAEMON@FINGATE.BITNET (Mail Delivery Subsystem) Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st Subject: Returned mail: Unable to deliver mail Message-ID: <8707151537.AA26382@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> Date: Wed, 15-Jul-87 11:38:05 EDT Article-I.D.: ucbvax.8707151537.AA26382 Posted: Wed Jul 15 11:38:05 1987 Date-Received: Fri, 17-Jul-87 06:20:11 EDT Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Distribution: world Organization: The ARPA Internet Lines: 501 ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 554... Unknown fudec host name : sampo ----- Unsent message follows ----- Received: by santra.UUCP (5.51/6.4.TeKoLa) id AA12607; Wed, 15 Jul 87 14:04:09 +0300 From: Message-Id: <8707151104.AA12607@santra.UUCP> Received: by fingate Wed Jul 15 14:04:04 from MAILER@FINHUTC.BITNET via rscs BSMTP. Received: by FINHUTC (Mailer X1.24) id 7398; Wed, 15 Jul 87 05:22:04 FIN Date: Tue 14 Jul 87 15:32:15 PDT Reply-To: Info-Atari16@Score.Stanford.edu Sender: "Atari ST users forum (INFO-ATARI16)" Original-From: Info-Atari16 Digest Subject: Info-Atari16 Digest V87 #277 To: , Original-To: , Info-Atari16 Digest Tuesday, July 14, 1987 Volume 87 : Issue 277 This weeks Editor: Bill Westfield Today's Topics: Re: 520STFM recommendation for Atari Re: MODULARS232 (long) - easy serial communications cabling DLII.ARC Re: SCSI drives--how do you connect them to the DMA port? How to establish a ^C handler? Re: SCSI drives--how do you connect them to the DMA port? Re: SMALLTALK on Atari Games (or not) on the ST Panasonic drive reliability? Re: ATARI ST w/hybrid arts smptetrack; Any users out there? guide.uue for CAP ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 9 Jul 87 16:52:43 GMT From: mcvax!ukc!dcl-cs!bath63!pes@seismo.css.gov (Smee) Subject: Re: 520STFM recommendation for Atari To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu In article <5330001@hpccc.HP.COM> blevins@hpccc.HP.COM (David Blevins) writes: >... I read something this weekend about Atari "not >wanting a 1040 to be hooked up to a TV and used as a game machine" ... To be fair, I believe that what Atari mean when they say things that get reported like that is: We don't want the 1040 to get the reputation of being a machine which people only buy to hook up to a TV etc... The problem is that if the world-at-large gets the idea that 1040's are primarily games machines, they won't consider them for serious use. May not be right or fair, but that's how the market works. Speaking of which, the 1040 probably *is* a games machine. I WANT a 1-MegaST; anyone from Atari listening? ------------------------------ Date: 8 Jul 87 14:11:26 GMT From: mnetor!utzoo!utgpu!water!watmath!mks!wheels@seismo.css.gov Subject: Re: MODULARS232 (long) - easy serial communications cabling To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu In article <1620@batcomputer.tn.cornell.edu>, braner@batcomputer.tn.cornell.edu (braner) writes: > My friend Richard Furnas has devised a wonderful solution to the > age-old DCE/DTE dichotomy. > > A T G G R Q > __+_+_+_+_+_+__ (Acknowledge) handshake signal coming out > | | | | | | | | (Transmit) data coming out of this box > | | Ground > | | Ground > | | (Receive) data going into this box > | | (Query) handshake signal going into this box > ----- ----- > | | (looking into the socket from outside the box) > --- I applaud this attempt to make some sense out of the RS232 mess. (Admittedly, the mess is not RS232's fault -- it was never intended to be used to connect things which are in the same room. Oh well.) I'd like to add a thought -- in keeping with the symmetry of the signals, how about a symmetrical connector? I have seen such things, used mainly for connecting the lights of house trailers to automobiles. They look like this (in ASCII graphics!): ------------------ | Q |===== | R |===== <--- pins ------| G |===== cable | ------ ------| G | | T | <--- holes here for mating pins | A | ------------------------ To be safe, the driven lines should appear on the sockets, so they can't short to nearby things. I have shown the signals, and where they should appear on the connector. Using this type of connector, there is no need for adapters to connect extension cables. ANY CONNECTOR CAN PLUG INTO ANY OTHER! Comments? -- "Network XXIII. Where two's company, and three's an audience." -- Max Headroom Gerry Wheeler {seismo,decvax,ihnp4}!watmath!mks!wheels Mortice Kern Systems Inc. ------------------------------ Date: 10 Jul 87 12:48:36 GMT From: kodak!ektools!bruce@cs.rochester.edu (Bruce D. Nelson ) Subject: DLII.ARC To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu Simon Poole's program, DLII.ARC was recently posted on GEnie. Last night, the GEnie sysops purged it, and left a main banner message saying, in part, that bugs had been reported in it and that they urged users who d/l'ed it to destroy their copies. As DLII was the answer to my many queries on the net about a "chkdsk" for the ST (and, BTW, it DID fix the disk I needed to have fixed), I'd like to find out when another version might be forthcoming. Simon, thanks for the nice program. I hope you can work out the tangles that made the GEnie people nervous. Bruce D. Nelson, Sr. Appl. Analyst: Software Maint., Tech. Support Svcs. EASTMAN KODAK COMPANY, 901 Elmgrove Rd., Rochester, NY 14650, (716)726-7890 UUCP: {allegra, seismo}!rochester!kodak!ektools!bruce ARPA: kodak!ektools!bruce@rochester.ARPA ------------------------------ Date: 10 Jul 87 12:18:18 GMT From: rocksanne!xrxns!toml@cs.rochester.edu (Tom Love) Subject: Re: SCSI drives--how do you connect them to the DMA port? To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu In article <3559@watvlsi.UUCP>, rpfeifle@watvlsi.UUCP writes: > What pins have to be connected to what lines, what pins have to be dropped > etc... > > Ron > -- > Ron Pfeifle > {decvax,allegra,ihnp4}!watmath!watvlsi!rpfeifle oh, sweet naivete... for better or worse atari's DMA and the industry-standard SCSI interface are far from equivalent. simply crossing a few wires won't do it for you; you need an adaptor board (not to mention a disk controller, unless your disk is *really* a SCSI disk, i.e. has its own built-in SCSI controller). i'm familiar with two companies making DMA to SCSI adaptors for the ST: Tech Specialties, in Houston, and Berkeley Microsystems, in Oakland CA. I know essentially nothing about Tech Specialties, except that i think they mostly do turnkey hard disk systems. i have done business with berkeley microsystem - i bought their adaptor, as well as an adaptek controller board, from them. i use mine to drive a quantum 540 HD. i've had no problems. the cost on these two boards is approx $125 each. for more info, see my article in the march "ST Applications" magazine entitled "a hacker's hard disk", wherein i describe my experiences putting together my disk system. if you can't find a copy of that mag, send me a sase and i'll send you a copy of the article (i could uucp the text, but you'd be missing the graphics then). i will be happy to do this for whoever would like a copy. [aside: i'm beginning to think that this newsgroup needs a "answers to commonly asked questions" article posted periodically, like that posted with the netiquette article.] good luck! tom love xerox edds p.o. box 2000 leesburg, va 22075 (703)729-8000 x5185 uucp: seismo!rochester!rocksanne!xrxns!toml xns: toml:lsbg-egp/cad:xerox ------------------------------ Date: 10 Jul 87 14:58:42 GMT From: sandra@cs.utah.edu (Sandra J Loosemore) Subject: How to establish a ^C handler? To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu I'd like to have a program I'm working on establish a handler for asynchronous ^c interrupts. Some TOS programs seem to do this already, but others seem to handle ^c's synchronously. The GEMDOS documentation implies that ^c's are treated specially when you use Cconin and Cnecin, but this can only be synchronous, right? I can't find any mention of a special interrupt for ^c in the docs -- could I poll the keyboard for input from inside a clock-driven interrupt handler? Is there an easier way? -Sandra Loosemore sandra@cs.utah.edu, sandra@utah-cs.uucp ------------------------------ Date: 10 Jul 87 17:45:00 GMT From: apollo!weber_w@eddie.mit.edu (Walt Weber) Subject: Re: SCSI drives--how do you connect them to the DMA port? To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu In article <3559@watvlsi.UUCP> rpfeifle@watvlsi.UUCP writes: >What pins have to be connected to what lines, what pins have to be dropped >etc... I sincerely doubt that a straight pin-pin connection can be made from the Atari DMA port to a SCSI disk controller. There would appear to be enough differences in signal level and handshake proto's that it would not work. Use the BMS1000 interface board from Berkeley Micro Systems in California. Their ads appear in Current Notes (Washington Atari Computer Enthusiasts newsmagazine) and in STart. I have no connection with BMS except as a VERY HAPPY customer. -- Walt Weber PHONE: (617) 256-6600 x7004 Apollo Computer GENIE: W.WEBER Chelmsford, People's Republic of Massachusetts ------------------------------ Date: 6 Jul 87 20:50:38 GMT From: devvax!grieggs@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov (John T. Grieggs) Subject: Re: SMALLTALK on Atari To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu In article <231@philtis.UUCP> rob@philtis.UUCP (Rob van den Berg @ CAD Centre) writes: >Does anyone know if a SMALLTALK implementation for >Atari-ST computers exists? Yes, there is. There is a P/D Smalltalk implementation that exists as a very large ARC file. I believe I have it at home, but am not sure how to get it to you, as I haven't been able to figure out how to get the Dumas UUENCODE stuff over here in ARPA-land. I can Kermit from home to here, but then??? _john ------------------------------ Date: 9 Jul 87 23:56:04 GMT From: eagle!icdoc!mjd@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Martin J Davies) Subject: Games (or not) on the ST To: info-atari16@score.stanford.eduAll this discussion about how the ST is no games machine I went out and bought GAUNTLET for it yesterday. Wow this is what a computer is really for ! It costs about 25 Pounds in the UK (~=40$) and is a pretty close version of the good ole arcade classic. Has any one else playyed it yet ? Has anyone met the theif ? Ive been to level 17 (past the first treasure room) and have not seen him. The two drawbacks to the game are :- 1) Only two can play , tho' they can select any of the usual players 2) I dont get any work done ! (two people playin' Gauntlet is much more fun than Time Bandit . ------------------------------ Date: 11 Jul 87 00:23:14 GMT From: mnetor!utgpu!lansd@seismo.css.gov (Robert Lansdale) Subject: Panasonic drive reliability? To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu I have been looking around for an external double sided drive for my Atari here in Toronto. The only two on the market seem to be the expensive Atari model ($360.00 CDN), and the Panasonic model ($275). Sometime in the last two weeks I have heard from someone that the Panasonic has problems with diskettes written on an Atari drive. Any truth to this statement? Any reliability problems with the Panasonic? I don't feel comfortable buying a drive that is almost $100 cheaper than the Atari one! ------------------------------ Date: 10 Jul 87 20:34:52 GMT From: ihnp4!homxb!mtuxo!lzfme!marco@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (M.DOLCE) Subject: Re: ATARI ST w/hybrid arts smptetrack; Any users out there? To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu In article <4552@ihlpa.ATT.COM>, rwn@ihlpa.ATT.COM (Bob Neumann) writes: > > I am planning the purchase of an ATARI ST 1040 with > monochrome monitor. I plan to use the hybrid arts > smptetrack sequencing software/hardware for composing, etc. > > Does anyone have expierience with this system, espiecially > the softaware package? Any pros/cons that I should consider? > I'm not sure what *hybrid arts* smptetrack sequencing is - HOWEVER - I've been using the Dr. T's Keyboard (MIDI) Sequencer Software on an Atari 520 ST. It's powerful, very fast, and evidently the best bang for the buck package around, ($540 for the Atari and monoichrome monitor, $140 for the software). A recent letter from the Dr. T people announces a new smpte software release, it smpte is what you need. Fill me in: What does a smpte sequencer do that a midi sequencer can't? I thought that smpte was a protocol used to synch music or whatever to film and video. Is there such a thing as a smpte sequencer? . . . . Anybody else out there in netland using the Dr. T's software on the Atari? I would appreciate contact: The thing is so damned complex I haven't deciphered all the documentation yet. Just another bone-headed guitar player I guess (just kidding guys). Mark D. ihnp4!mtuxo!lzfme!marco ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jul 87 03:55:58 EST From: maccarle@ed.ecn.purdue.edu (Carl A Maccarley) To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu Subject: guide.uue for CAP The following is a guide.uue file for Peter VerBruggen's issue of Ger Gruiters' program CAP. Sorry it wasn't included with the main program files. PS: I have gotten a report that the program files did not un-ARC correctly at one location. The files were thoroughly checked (downloaded and tested) before sending, but I'm worried that the copies I sent to SCORE made it OK. There may be a sinister IBM in my path. The files were shipped off "as-received" from Peter, except for the removal of extra newlines between every line of uuencode, that somehow ended up in the files. 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