Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!uunet!seismo!husc6!think!ames!ucbcad!ucbvax!FINGATE.BITNET!MAILER-DAEMON From: MAILER-DAEMON@FINGATE.BITNET (Mail Delivery Subsystem) Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st Subject: Returned mail: Unable to deliver mail Message-ID: <8707150243.AA15478@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> Date: Tue, 14-Jul-87 22:45:33 EDT Article-I.D.: ucbvax.8707150243.AA15478 Posted: Tue Jul 14 22:45:33 1987 Date-Received: Fri, 17-Jul-87 01:49:44 EDT Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Distribution: world Organization: The ARPA Internet Lines: 472 ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 554... Unknown fudec host name : sampo ----- Unsent message follows ----- Received: by santra.UUCP (5.51/6.4.TeKoLa) id AA05762; Tue, 14 Jul 87 13:36:31 +0300 From: Message-Id: <8707141036.AA05762@santra.UUCP> Received: by fingate Tue Jul 14 13:36:27 from MAILER@FINHUTC.BITNET via rscs BSMTP. Received: by FINHUTC (Mailer X1.24) id 3760; Tue, 14 Jul 87 03:56:47 FIN Date: Sat 11 Jul 87 23:15:02 PDT Reply-To: Info-Atari16@Score.Stanford.edu Sender: "Atari ST users forum (INFO-ATARI16)" Original-From: Info-Atari16 Digest Subject: Info-Atari16 Digest V87 #273 To: , Original-To: , Info-Atari16 Digest Saturday, July 11, 1987 Volume 87 : Issue 273 This weeks Editor: Bill Westfield Today's Topics: inquiry on current versions of C compilers Lost disk sectors More on HDB and GEMBOOT Newest ATARINET index Uniterm vs EasyDraw metafiles HP LaserJet software What's the latest version of the Sac? Re: SMALLTALK on Atari Re: Control-F1, Alt-F1 ??? - (nf) ATARI ST w/hybrid arts smptetrack; Any users out there? Re: Bug in Alcyon C v4.14 - (nf) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 7 Jul 87 16:39:45 +0200 From: mcvax!ingrid.laas.fr!didier@seismo.CSS.GOV (Didier Giralt) To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu Subject: inquiry on current versions of C compilers In the process of shopping around for a C compiler, I would like to know what the latest releases of Megamax, Mark Williams and Lattice are. I know some retailers would just *love* to get rid of their oldies. Thanks, Didier. ----------------------- Didier Giralt ...!seismo!mcvax!inria!lasso!didier LAAS-CNRS 7, av du Colonel Roche DO NOT USE THE 'reply' FUNCTION OF YOUR MAILER 31077 Toulouse Cedex TO REACH ME: IT MAY FAIL. (domain problems) France ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jul 87 14:03:57 EDT From: Michael Fischer Subject: Lost disk sectors To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu I wrote a little program to display the FAT (File Allocation Table) on a disk that appeared to be completely full and was surprised to see the last two clusters (= 4 sectors) free. Looking at the data itself confirmed that they were unused. Doing a little arithmetic, I came up with the following: When formatting a SS disk, TOS announces 357376 bytes free. Floppy disk space is allocated in clusters of 2 sectors = 1024 bytes, so 357376 bytes = 349 clusters = 698 sectors. Add to that 1 for the boot sector, 5 for each of the 2 copies of the FAT, and 7 for the root directory, and you get a total of 716 sectors. A standard format disk has 80 tracks times 9 sectors per track for a total of 720 sectors, so indeed there is a discrepency of 4. Similar results apply to a DS disk: TOS announces 726016 bytes free = 709 clusters = 1418 sectors. Add to it the 18 sectors at the beginning to get 1436 sectors, 4 less that the 1440 on a raw disk. Has anybody else noticed this before? Is it a TOS bug? If so, has it been fixed in the newer ROMs? --Mike Fischer ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Jul 87 13:58:31 CDT From: "University (of Houston) ACE (UACE)" Subject: More on HDB and GEMBOOT To: INFO-ATARI16@score.stanford.edu Here is a little note which Konrad sent with the new versions of HDB & GEMBOOT. --------------------------------------------------- Mike Vederman Hello Mike, to reduce transatlantic email I send you the newest versions of GEMBOOT and HDB. HDB V2.3 has same minor improvements: - deselect floppy (the ROM startup code leaves the floppy drives selected till first access) - optional switch to floppy boot if a special key combination is pressed during boot New features of GEMBOOT V1.10 (compared to V1.08) are: - incremental add of folder cache blocks during directory scan - indicates free directory cache space left after login - adjustable size of DESKTOP environment buffer - definition of DESKTOP environment variables within GEMBOOT.INF - optional use of batch shell other than COMMAND.TOS - new program GEMFRL.TOS to locate and print the GEMDOS internal free lists ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Jul 87 14:00:53 CDT From: "University (of Houston) ACE (UACE)" Subject: Newest ATARINET index To: INFO-ATARI16@score.stanford.edu Here is a little note explaining using ATARINET along with the newest index. - Mike ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Please use your interactive message facility to talk to atarinet. Use: tell uh-info at uhupvm1 atarinet help (from CMS) -or- send/remote uhupvm1 uh-info "atarinet help" (from VAX/VMS, JNET 2.0 or less) -or- send uh-info@uhupvm1 "atarinet help" (VAX/VMS, JNET 3.0 or greater) You can only access ATARINET interactively on BITNET. If you do not have interactive messages (and are on BITNET) or you are on another net, please send a note requesting the files you want to: UACE0 at UHUPVM1 (that's a zero) Large requests will certainly take a lot of time to process. - Mike Vederman =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= *************************************************** ** Welcome to ATARINET, sponsored by the ** ** University Atari Computer Enthusiasts (UACE) ** ** at the University of Houston ** ** ** ** xx xx xx ** ** xx xx xx ** ** xx xx xx ** ** xxx xx xxx ** ** xxx xx xxx ** ** xxx xx xxx ** ** xxx xx xxx ** ** xxxxx xx xxxxx ** ** xxxxxx xx xxxxxx ** ** ** ** ** ** ATARINET is a subserver of UH-INFO ** ** Send comments and files for ** ** ATARINET to UACE0 at UHUPVM1. ** ** Many files are currently available ** *************************************************** *=================================================* * To get info-atari16 digests, use * * LISTSERV at FINHUTC or LISTSERV at CANADA01 * *-------------------------------------------------* * Files with * instead of : indicate new entries * *-------------------------------------------------* * ATARINET now has 15 megabytes of online storage * *=================================================* --------------------------------------------------- UNITERM ALL * Uniterm 1.7b 027 on 6/30/87 (uue and arc) ATARINET EXEC : CMS EXEC for easy use of ATARINET ATARINET INDEX : This index DLII NEW * Version changes, updated for DLII V .024 KONRAD NEW * New things for HDB v2.3 and GEMBOOT v1.10 UNITERM NEW * Addendum to Uniterm 1.7a+ docs, updated for 1.7b 027 UUDECODE BAS : use it to decode uudecode uue, ST BASIC PAD61 C : Add truncated spaces to files TRACE C : Use with TEMPLMON UUE a great set of bebugging tools XYPLOT C : Plot curves, C source UUDECODE CLD : VAX uudecode defs UUENCODE CLD : VAX uuencode defs RAMDISK HEX : Reset proof ramdisk and docs ROMAN ICN : ICON sample program MEANDER ICN : ICON sample program WORDCNT ICN : ICON sample program ASBEST IM : Image file for AIM BNOISE IM : Image file for AIM CERMET IM : Image file for AIM KETEL IM : Image file for AIM MAAN IM : Image file for AIM TUD IM : Image file for AIM TRUI IM : Image file for AIM BBS LIST : List of BBS ATARINET NEWS : ATARINET news file UUDECODE PAS : VAX UUDECODE UUENCODE PAS : VAX UUENCODE PROFFMAN PRF : PROFF text formatter manual PROFF1 SH : Source for PROFF PROFF2 SH : Source for PROFF PROFF3 SH : Source for PROFF PROFF FIX : Source fix for small PROFF bug MOLECULE RUN * Brief instructions to run MOLECULE KEYBOARD TRANS : Keyboard translation tables PASCAL TUTOR : Tutorial on Pascal INTERUPT S : Interupts any program (almost) RELMOD S : Relocation linker SPRITE SH : Using Line-A sprite calls 1ST2PS UUE * Convert 1st Word text to Post Script file. ADVENT UUE : The original collosal caves adventure. AIM UUE : Advanced IMage processing - 4 stars - needs 1 meg AIMHELP UUE : Help files for AIM UUE above AMIGA UUE : Long awaited Amiga emulator - color only. :-) APL UUE : APL 68000 for the ST - DEMO version APLWKS UUE : APL 68000 for the ST - DEMO workspaces ARC UUE : ARC - compactor, archiver... ARGUS UUE : Intercepts disk I/O and prints info on screen - mono ASH UUE : Very nice shell, but Gulam is better. BLACK UUE : A nice screen saver that works! CALC UUE : A very nice mono calculator CC UUE : A primitive CC for the ST. CC2 UUE : PD C compiler. (BAD copy... please send if u have good) CZPATCH UUE : MIDI prog of some sort ... :-) DALEKS UUE : A game. DCCLOCK UUE : Must See!! All rez, all progs. DCFORMAT UUE * Enhanced The Formatter, many new options, mono only DEINST UUE : Turn 1st word .cfg back to .hex DEMO UUE : Command file for AIM UUE above DISASSM UUE : A nice PD disassembler. DISKEDIT UUE : A disk editor. DISKTOP2 UUE : A disk organizer. DLII UUE * A Disk Looker by Simon Poole (use at own risk) v.022 DLII DOC * DLII documentation and changes DUEX UUE : A German disk utility program. DVI UUE : PREVIEW TEX FILES ON MONOCHROME SYSTEM, 1 MEG NEEDED DXPATCH UUE : MIDI prog of some sort ... ETERNAL UUE : Another reset proof ramdisk FF UUE : Yet another fractal program, but faster... FOLDRXXX UUE : Replace XXX w/number of folders to add, put in auto FOOTBALL UUE : Less than great football game FORMATER UUE : Fast disk formatter for all STs FORTH UUE : PD FORTH FRACTAL UUE : YES, another fractal program... FSIZE UUE : Acc tells xmodem block size GEMBOOT UUE * New version 1.10 Fix dreaded 40 folder limit. GFABAS20 UUE : GFA BASIC run-only version GFA_ECAD UUE : GFA BASIC for electronics CAD GOBANG UUE : A game like PENTE, mono only. GULAM UUE : Most complete shell around HDB UUE * New hard disk booter version 2.3 HDSCAN UUE : No known working version of 1.3. If you have, please send. ICON UUE : ICON programming language KALKLOCK UUE : A clock/calendar desk accessory KEYBOARD UUE : Change keyboard translation KEYEDIT UUE : For use with Uniterm versions 1.6g+ KRABAT UUE : Monochrome chess game, nice. KRABAT2 UUE : Picture files for KRABAT, put in PICTURES folder LARN1 UUE : A GAME, D&D TYPE (UUE AND ARC) LARN2 UUE : " " LARN3 UUE : " " LARN4 UUE : " " LARN5 UUE : " " LARN6 UUE : " " LESS UUE : Just like more, but its less MEGABLT2 UUE : A nice drawing program MG UUE : Micro GNU Emacs MOBZDIAL UUE : DA that dials phone numbers. v2 MOBZKEY2 UUE : Change keyboard configuration MOBZUTIL UUE : Disk functions from accessory MOLECULE UUE * Fantastic, plot atomic particles and animate!! MONST UUE : Debugger, monitor... excellent MOSHE UUE : Favorites from Moshe Braner; docs, progs, source MULTIANI UUE : Multiple birds in flight (blitter demo) low rez. NEWFONT UUE : Change monochrome fonts NIGHT UUE : Screen saver ... OXYGEN1 UUE * EXCELLENT digitized music, part 1 of 4, 1meg OXYGEN2 UUE * EXCELLENT digitized music, part 2 of 4, 1meg OXYGEN3 UUE * EXCELLENT digitized music, part 3 of 4, 1meg OXYGEN4 UUE * EXCELLENT digitized music, part 4 of 4, 1meg PCOMMAND UUE : A command line interpreter, very, very good. PROFF UUE : PROFF text formatter PRESTEL UUE : A videotex terminal program SBASE UUE : A simple database SPACEWAR UUE : The spacewar game version 3.1, color and mono SPEAK2 UUE : Use to input file to stspeech. (Which I don't have) STARCHRT UUE : Plot heavenly bodies in low rez. Very good!! STMAKE1 UUE : A make for the ST. STMAKE2 UUE : " " STMAKE3 UUE : " " STMAKE4 UUE : " " TEMPLMON UUE : Nice looking debugger... (If only I knew German) UG UUE : Uniterm 1.7a+ manual UUDECOD2 UUE : New and improved!! Dumas version. UUDECODE UUE : Compiled uudecode, fast UUENCODE UUE : Compiled uuencode, fast WINDOW UUE : A breakout-like accessory... ZOTTL UUE : Cute German demo. ZZZAP UUE : Cleans up unwanted files from ramdisk. STMAKE DOC : Docs for STMAKE UUCODE UUE : Desk accessory that does uuencode and uudecode! ARC DOC : Docs for ARC DUEX DOC : Docs for DUEX UUE DVI DOC : Doc file for DVI UE GEMBOOT DOC : Explains briefly GEMBOOT UUE HDSCAN DOC : Docs for HDSCAN UUE SPEAK DOC : Docs for speak2 uue below TEMPLMON DOC : English version of docs... Well kinda... Get TRACE C UUCODE DOC : Documentation for VAX UU**CODE ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jul 87 12:35 ADT From: Subject: Uniterm vs EasyDraw metafiles To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu X-Original-To: "info-atari16@score.stanford.edu", FXDDR I've been looking at the metafiles that Uniterm can generate when used with GDOS. The metafiles work very nicely with the DRI OUTPUT.PRG that EasyDraw supplies...I've had excellent results using OUTPUT.PRG to send graphics to the HP LaserJet. However, trying to read the files into EasyDraw (v 2.06) gets nowhere. As far as I can tell EasyDraw is very narrow minded about the scaling it will accept. Does anybody know of a program or procedure that will make Uniterm metafiles acceptable to EasyDraw? Don Rice FXDDR@ALASKA.BITNET ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jul 87 14:44 ADT From: Subject: HP LaserJet software To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu X-Original-To: "info-atari16@score.stanford.edu", FXDDR I'm curious if there are any utilities for the HP LaserJet (series II, 512K) out there. I'd especially like to find DEGAS-style driver(s) for it. I've set up a simple print program to allow printing in the available fonts and orientations. Thanks, Don Rice FXDDR@ALASKA.BITNET ------------------------------ Date: 7 Jul 87 15:23:15 GMT From: trwrb!sansom@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Richard Sansom) Subject: What's the latest version of the Sac? To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu About 2 weeks ago I ordered the Magic Sac from Computer Games + in Orange, CA. The fellow who took my order assured me that he had the latest version of the Sac, and that his price ($99!) included the Mac 64K ROMs! Needless to say, I placed my order and waited for the package to arrive the next day via UPS (I live in Torrance - about an hour away from Orange). Well, to make a long story short, the Sac didn't arrive until yesterday (at least a week late), it didn't have the Mac ROMs, and it appears to be version 2.0! If I'm not mistaken, the latest version should be somewhere around 4.2x by now. Can anyone out there tell me what the latest version should be? Also, does anyone know of a place in the L.A. area where I can get some Mac ROMs? Thanks a bundle in advance. -Rich -- /////////////////////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ /// Richard E. Sansom TRW Electronics & Defense Sector \\\ \\\ {decvax,ucbvax,ihnp4}!trwrb!sansom Redondo Beach, CA /// ------------------------------ Date: 6 Jul 87 13:13:39 GMT From: mcvax!unido!laura!@@seismo.css.gov (Andreas Toenne) Subject: Re: SMALLTALK on Atari To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu In article <1051@ark.cs.vu.nl> kleef@cs.vu.nl (Patrick van Kleef) writes: >In article <231@philtis.UUCP> rob@philtis.UUCP (Rob van den Berg @ CAD Centre) writes: >>Does anyone know if a SMALLTALK implementation for >>Atari-ST computers exists? > >Try addressing GEROG@UNIDO (both Bitnet and UUCP). As I gathered Beware ! His correct name is georg ! You may write to hmm@unido.uucp as well. D ------------------------------ Date: 6 Jul 87 11:03:00 GMT From: mcvax!unido!qtecmuc!ger@seismo.css.gov Subject: Re: Control-F1, Alt-F1 ??? - (nf) To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu Another way to get into protected memory is the use of the Super() function. Goes sumpn like this: long savestack; savestack=Super(0L); fiddle_around_with_protected_memory(); Super(savestack); Gerhard Pehland UUCP: ...!seismo!unido!qtecmuc!ger ------------------------------ Date: 8 Jul 87 16:11:15 GMT From: ihnp4!ihlpa!rwn@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Bob Neumann) Subject: ATARI ST w/hybrid arts smptetrack; Any users out there? To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu I am planning the purchase of an ATARI ST 1040 with monochrome monitor. I plan to use the hybrid arts smptetrack sequencing software/hardware for composing, etc. Does anyone have expierience with this system, espiecially the softaware package? Any pros/cons that I should consider? Thanks in advance for your help. Bob ------------------------------ Date: 6 Jul 87 11:20:00 GMT From: mcvax!unido!qtecmuc!ger@seismo.css.gov Subject: Re: Bug in Alcyon C v4.14 - (nf) To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu Indeed, you don't need sizeof(STRUCTURE) to increment the pointer to the next or any other structure. Just saying: next+=n; sets the pointer to the n'th next structure. This is because every pointer+integer operation always adds integer*sizeof(pointer object) to the pointer, so you don't have to care for the size of the object. This goes for pointer++ as well as for foo=pointer+5. next=this+sizeof(STRUCTURE) will set the pointer sizeof(STRUCTURE) structures further, probably to neverland. I doubt, if this was your intention. Gerhard Pehland UUCP: ...!seismo!unido!qtecmuc!ger ------------------------------ End of Info-Atari16 Digest ************************** -------