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From: kre@munnari.oz (Robert Elz)
Newsgroups: news.groups,news.misc,news.stargate,news.sysadmin,news.admin
Subject: Re: ply to query on quota versus moderation for flow control
Message-ID: <1739@munnari.oz>
Date: Mon, 6-Jul-87 15:26:56 EDT
Article-I.D.: munnari.1739
Posted: Mon Jul  6 15:26:56 1987
Date-Received: Tue, 7-Jul-87 06:29:44 EDT
References: <266@brandx.rutgers.edu> <8225@utzoo.UUCP>, <272@brandx.rutgers.edu> <281@brandx.rutgers.edu>
Organization: Comp Sci, Melbourne Uni, Australia
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Keywords: solving the moderation bottleneck
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In article <281@brandx.rutgers.edu>, webber@brandx.rutgers.edu (Webber) writes:
> In article <8235@utzoo.UUCP>, henry@utzoo.UUCP (Henry Spencer) writes:
> > Quotas, as you have been told repeatedly in private mail, are unworkable
> > nonsense.  Improved security carries a heavy price, but is looking necessary
> 
> However, the only person who actually probed the concept among the backbone
> was kre, who you should know.

There's some common misconception here that the "backbone cabal" is a
tight knit group of collaborators  ..  not true, I don't know almost any
of the backbone admins.  I don't think I've ever actually met Henry, I
do think I've "seen" him at a usenix or something like that.  Apart from
electronic communications, that's the extent of our acquaintance.

> He seemed to think the idea was ready for a trial implementation.

That's no quite what I said.  What I recall saying was that the idea
was nonsense, but if you want to try and implement it, to demonstrate
that it really does work, then go ahead, do it.  Its your time you'd
be wasting.

> Of course, he has such significant flow problems that he may be desparate
> enough to encourage anything that might work.  

No, compared with most sites on the net I have no flow problems
at all.  We simply get only a very reduced number of groups, and
we try to pick the ones with real value (that is, we want some
assurance that what we pay for is going to be worthwhile, so we
like moderated groups, the quality control is much more even,
we know what to expect from week to week).

kre