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From: michael@stb.UUCP (Michael)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga
Subject: Re: all copy protection
Message-ID: <1653@stb.UUCP>
Date: Fri, 17-Jul-87 13:23:32 EDT
Article-I.D.: stb.1653
Posted: Fri Jul 17 13:23:32 1987
Date-Received: Sat, 18-Jul-87 20:40:29 EDT
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In article <1823@vax135.UUCP> cjp@vax135.UUCP (Charles Poirier) writes:
>In article <1637@stb.UUCP> michael@stb.UUCP (Michael) writes:
>"Stay even"; really!   Salve, salve.   "Value" meaning what it's
>"worth" rather than than what you paid I guess.  Do you truly believe
>it's ok to steal things from people if you won't meet their price?  I'd
>like you pirates to think about this.  Suppose it were you trying to
>sell?  Different people value things differently, but this is never
>justification for theft.

Exactly. "Value" is defined as "worth to the user". "Price" is "what they want".


>>I personally find pirating to be a matter of respect. I have no respect any
>>more for EA. I'd pirate anything they make in a minute if I thought they
>>made anything worth the disk it would take up. Marble Madness was the
>
>This is thin salve indeed.  You would punish EA by pirating if they
>*improved* their products to a quality you approve of.  This is exactly
>what I was getting at in my "ethical Darwinism" barb.  Sure, you are happy
>to boycott what you don't like, but when the quality improves, do you
>pay?  (flame warning) NO!  you PUNISH!  (flame off).  Too much stick,
>not enough carrot.  It's not ethical, and it doesn't promote higher quality
>or lower prices.

Ok, let me explain:

Right now, the value (defined as meaning to me) of marble maddness is less than
the value of a disk. That may change as I finish working about 30 or so
fish disks and get another 20 blanks. So, I don't buy.

If the value were a bit higher (say, $5) I still wouldn't buy, but I would
pirate.

If the value were as high as the price, then I'd buy.

By improving quality, they cannot lose a sale. They can gain one, however.
Start with the 6 items I listed. 

So far for the Amiga, I've bought (not received as presents) the Manx
commercial system, Ageis Animator/images, a couple of Infocoms, the rrd,
Gizmoz, probably a few others. I've never even tried to pirate Facc because
I know what its worth. On the other hand, I can't buy it because every time
I try it's sold out.

>	Charles Poirier   (decvax,ucbvax,ihnp4,attmail)!vax135!cjp
>
>   "Docking complete...       Docking complete...       Docking complete..."


-- 
: Michael Gersten		seismo!scgvaxd!stb!michael
: Copy protection? Just say Pirate! (if its worth pirating)