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From: mjr@osiris.UUCP (Marcus Ranum)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.wizards
Subject: Re: UNIX classified operation - (nf)
Message-ID: <1335@osiris.UUCP>
Date: Fri, 24-Jul-87 15:22:06 EDT
Article-I.D.: osiris.1335
Posted: Fri Jul 24 15:22:06 1987
Date-Received: Sat, 25-Jul-87 15:41:47 EDT
References: <175@uw-apl.UUCP> <8300007@iaoobelix.UUCP> <735@jenny.cl.cam.ac.uk> <468@unisoft.UUCP>
Organization: The Bavarian Illuminati, Inc.
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Summary: obviously you weren't following the discussion

In article <468@unisoft.UUCP>, greywolf@unisoft.UUCP (The Grey Wolf @ ext 165) writes:
> 	Why log system calls in the first place?  I object to it in two ways:
> 1)  The kernel overhead and resulting system load would SKYROCKET, resulting
> in a slower machine.

[... drivel deleted...]

> 	What am I trying to say?  I guess I'm not quite sure.  But I am sure
> 	that I don't like to see freedoms violated like they would be.

[... drivel deleted...]

	If you had followed the original discussion, rather than jumping
in half-cocked, you would have known that the discussion was in reference 
to the spooks requesting that UNIX provide them with exactly the type of
audit trails you are so offended by. Most of the postings, including my
example about Ollie's files (though they are actually on an IBM, I learned)
were describing the utter stupidity of the idea. I think that most people
who are familiar with the real world and UNIX know what a dumb idea the
whole thing is. Most people who live in the real world also realize that
what the spooks want, the spooks get, since they pay a lot of people's
salaries. This type of boneheadedness will all be done on secure UNIX
systems, anyhow, and hopefully only a very few of us will ever have to
try to get any work done on them.

--mjr();
-- 
If they think you're crude, go technical; if they think you're technical,
go crude. I'm a very technical boy. So I get as crude as possible. These
days, though, you have to be pretty technical before you can even aspire
to crudeness...			         -Johnny Mnemonic