Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!uunet!seismo!husc6!rutgers!sri-spam!mordor!lll-tis!ptsfa!hoptoad!unisoft!greywolf From: greywolf@unisoft.UUCP (The Grey Wolf @ ext 165) Newsgroups: comp.unix.wizards Subject: Re: UNIX classified operation - (nf) Message-ID: <468@unisoft.UUCP> Date: Thu, 23-Jul-87 13:20:47 EDT Article-I.D.: unisoft.468 Posted: Thu Jul 23 13:20:47 1987 Date-Received: Sat, 25-Jul-87 10:51:05 EDT References: <175@uw-apl.UUCP> <8300007@iaoobelix.UUCP> <735@jenny.cl.cam.ac.uk> Reply-To: greywolf@unisoft.UUCP (The Grey Wolf) Organization: UniSoft Systems; Berkeley, CA Lines: 47 In article <735@jenny.cl.cam.ac.uk> scc@cl.cam.ac.uk (Stephen Crawley) writes: >>> In article <8737@tekecs.TEK.COM>, snoopy@doghouse.gwd.tek.com (Snoopy) writes: >>> Suppose I break into Ollie North's home directory and tar(1) it all >>> to a file in my home directory. That logs one open(2) call for each >>> file, and one open() call for the creation of the file in my home >>> dir. Now, however, I have *one* file that is really an unknown >>> number of classified files. Any further operations performed on it >>> will seem to be working on one file. >>> >>> Obviously, the above example is a braindead example off the top of >>> my head (the pointy part), but you get the idea. It's too easy to >>> mess up your tracks as far as what you're doing and where. Why log system calls in the first place? I object to it in two ways: 1) The kernel overhead and resulting system load would SKYROCKET, resulting in a slower machine. 2) While it may make the machine more "secure", a proper system administrator should be on top of things to begin with. If users get this feeling that "Big Brother Is Watching You", they're going to feel a lot less comfortable using the machine. I know I would. Granted, there are mischievous sorts and malevolent sorts (I wouldn't mind the mischievous sorts on my machine--they make life interesting!), but I believe in freedoms, not restrictions, and I believe in privacy. Never mind that the Big Brother thing is practically happening in real life, that's not the issue... What am I trying to say? I guess I'm not quite sure. But I am sure that I don't like to see freedoms violated like they would be. Sure, the honor system doesn't always work, but when it does, people in the environment in which it is used are more appreciative of what they have going for them there. EOF (End Of Flame) Roan (RO'an) Anderson unisoft!greywolf -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Faster than pure assembly code... More powerful than kill -9... able to unmount busy file systems in a single call... ______ it's a (long) word... / | | \ it's a (back)plane... \=#==#=/ \| |/ it's... \==/ \/ SUPERUSER!!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------