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Info-Atari16 Digest   Tuesday, July 14, 1987   Volume 87 : Issue 277

This weeks Editor: Bill Westfield

Today's Topics:

                 Re: 520STFM recommendation for Atari
     Re: MODULARS232 (long) - easy serial communications cabling
                               DLII.ARC
      Re: SCSI drives--how do you connect them to the DMA port?
                    How to establish a ^C handler?
      Re: SCSI drives--how do you connect them to the DMA port?
                        Re: SMALLTALK on Atari
                       Games (or not) on the ST
                     Panasonic drive reliability?
     Re: ATARI ST w/hybrid arts smptetrack; Any users out there?
                          guide.uue for CAP

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Date: 9 Jul 87 16:52:43 GMT
From: mcvax!ukc!dcl-cs!bath63!pes@seismo.css.gov  (Smee)
Subject: Re: 520STFM recommendation for Atari
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

In article <5330001@hpccc.HP.COM> blevins@hpccc.HP.COM (David Blevins) writes:

>...  I read something this weekend about Atari "not
>wanting a 1040 to be hooked up to a TV and used as a game machine" ...

To be fair, I believe that what Atari mean when they say things that get
reported like that is:

  We don't want the 1040 to get the reputation of being a machine which
  people only buy to hook up to a TV etc...

The problem is that if the world-at-large gets the idea that 1040's are
primarily games machines, they won't consider them for serious use.  May
not be right or fair, but that's how the market works.

Speaking of which, the 1040 probably *is* a games machine.  I WANT a
1-MegaST; anyone from Atari listening?

------------------------------

Date: 8 Jul 87 14:11:26 GMT
From: mnetor!utzoo!utgpu!water!watmath!mks!wheels@seismo.css.gov
Subject: Re: MODULARS232 (long) - easy serial communications cabling
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

In article <1620@batcomputer.tn.cornell.edu>, braner@batcomputer.tn.cornell.edu
(braner) writes:
> My friend Richard Furnas has devised a wonderful solution to the
> age-old DCE/DTE dichotomy.
>
>       A T G G R Q
>     __+_+_+_+_+_+__       (Acknowledge) handshake signal coming out
>    |  | | | | | |  |      (Transmit) data coming out of this box
>    |               |      Ground
>    |               |      Ground
>    |               |      (Receive) data going into this box
>    |               |      (Query) handshake signal going into this box
>     -----     -----
>          |   |          (looking into the socket from outside the box)
>           ---


I applaud this attempt to make some sense out of the RS232 mess.
(Admittedly, the mess is not RS232's fault -- it was never intended
to be used to connect things which are in the same room. Oh well.)

I'd like to add a thought -- in keeping with the symmetry of the signals,
how about a symmetrical connector? I have seen such things, used mainly
for connecting the lights of house trailers to automobiles. They look
like this (in ASCII graphics!):

           ------------------
          |               Q  |=====
          |               R  |=====    <--- pins
    ------|               G  |=====
    cable |                  ------
    ------|               G        |
          |               T        |   <--- holes here for mating pins
          |               A        |
           ------------------------

To be safe, the driven lines should appear on the sockets, so they can't
short to nearby things. I have shown the signals, and where they should
appear on the connector.

Using this type of connector, there is no need for adapters to connect
extension cables. ANY CONNECTOR CAN PLUG INTO ANY OTHER!

Comments?
--
"Network XXIII. Where two's company, and three's an audience." -- Max Headroom

Gerry Wheeler                  {seismo,decvax,ihnp4}!watmath!mks!wheels
Mortice Kern Systems Inc.

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Date: 10 Jul 87 12:48:36 GMT
From: kodak!ektools!bruce@cs.rochester.edu  (Bruce D. Nelson )
Subject: DLII.ARC
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

Simon Poole's program, DLII.ARC was recently posted on GEnie. Last night, the
GEnie sysops purged it, and left a main banner message saying, in part, that
bugs had been reported in it and that they urged users who d/l'ed it to
destroy their copies.

As DLII was the answer to my many queries on the net about a "chkdsk" for the
ST (and, BTW, it DID fix the disk I needed to have fixed), I'd like to find
out when another version might be forthcoming.

Simon, thanks for the nice program. I hope you can work out the tangles that
made the GEnie people nervous.

Bruce D. Nelson, Sr. Appl. Analyst: Software Maint., Tech. Support Svcs.
EASTMAN KODAK COMPANY, 901 Elmgrove Rd., Rochester, NY 14650, (716)726-7890
UUCP:   {allegra, seismo}!rochester!kodak!ektools!bruce
ARPA:   kodak!ektools!bruce@rochester.ARPA

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Date: 10 Jul 87 12:18:18 GMT
From: rocksanne!xrxns!toml@cs.rochester.edu  (Tom Love)
Subject: Re: SCSI drives--how do you connect them to the DMA port?
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

In article <3559@watvlsi.UUCP>, rpfeifle@watvlsi.UUCP writes:
> What pins have to be connected to what lines, what pins have to be dropped
> etc...
>
> Ron
> --
> Ron Pfeifle
> {decvax,allegra,ihnp4}!watmath!watvlsi!rpfeifle


oh, sweet naivete...  for better or worse atari's DMA and the industry-standard
SCSI interface are far from equivalent.  simply crossing a few wires won't do
it for you;  you need an adaptor board (not to mention a disk controller,
unless your disk is *really* a SCSI disk, i.e. has its own built-in
SCSI controller).
i'm familiar with two companies making DMA to SCSI adaptors for the ST:
Tech Specialties, in Houston, and Berkeley Microsystems, in Oakland CA.
I know essentially nothing about Tech Specialties, except that i think they
mostly do turnkey hard disk systems.  i have done business with berkeley
microsystem - i bought their adaptor, as well as an adaptek controller
board, from them.  i use mine to drive a quantum 540 HD.  i've had no
problems.
the cost on these two boards is approx $125 each.
for more info, see my article in the march "ST Applications" magazine
entitled "a hacker's hard disk", wherein i describe my experiences putting
together my disk system.  if you can't find a copy of that mag, send me
a sase and i'll send you a copy of the article (i could uucp the text, but
you'd be missing the graphics then).  i will be happy to do this for whoever
would like a copy.

[aside: i'm beginning to think that this newsgroup needs a "answers to commonly
asked questions" article posted periodically, like that posted with the
netiquette article.]

good luck!

tom love
xerox edds
p.o. box 2000
leesburg, va 22075
(703)729-8000 x5185

uucp: seismo!rochester!rocksanne!xrxns!toml
xns: toml:lsbg-egp/cad:xerox

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Date: 10 Jul 87 14:58:42 GMT
From: sandra@cs.utah.edu  (Sandra J Loosemore)
Subject: How to establish a ^C handler?
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

I'd like to have a program I'm working on establish a handler for
asynchronous ^c interrupts.  Some TOS programs seem to do this already,
but others seem to handle ^c's synchronously.  The GEMDOS documentation
implies that ^c's are treated specially when you use Cconin and Cnecin,
but this can only be synchronous, right?  I can't find any mention of a
special interrupt for ^c in the docs -- could I poll the keyboard
for input from inside a clock-driven interrupt handler?  Is there an
easier way?

-Sandra Loosemore
sandra@cs.utah.edu, sandra@utah-cs.uucp

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Date: 10 Jul 87 17:45:00 GMT
From: apollo!weber_w@eddie.mit.edu  (Walt Weber)
Subject: Re: SCSI drives--how do you connect them to the DMA port?
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

In article <3559@watvlsi.UUCP> rpfeifle@watvlsi.UUCP writes:
>What pins have to be connected to what lines, what pins have to be dropped
>etc...

I sincerely doubt that a straight pin-pin connection can be made
from the Atari DMA port to a SCSI disk controller.  There would appear
to be enough differences in signal level and handshake proto's that
it would not work.

Use the BMS1000 interface board from Berkeley Micro Systems in
California.  Their ads appear in Current Notes (Washington Atari
Computer Enthusiasts newsmagazine) and in STart.

I have no connection with BMS except as a VERY HAPPY customer.

--
Walt Weber               PHONE: (617) 256-6600 x7004
Apollo Computer          GENIE: W.WEBER
Chelmsford, People's Republic of Massachusetts

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Date: 6 Jul 87 20:50:38 GMT
From: devvax!grieggs@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov  (John T. Grieggs)
Subject: Re: SMALLTALK on Atari
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

In article <231@philtis.UUCP> rob@philtis.UUCP (Rob van den Berg @ CAD Centre)
 writes:
>Does anyone know if a SMALLTALK implementation for
>Atari-ST computers exists?

 Yes, there is.  There is a P/D Smalltalk implementation that exists as
a very large ARC file.  I believe I have it at home, but am not sure how
to get it to you, as I haven't been able to figure out how to get the
Dumas UUENCODE stuff over here in ARPA-land.  I can Kermit from home to
here, but then???

_john

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Date: 9 Jul 87 23:56:04 GMT
From: eagle!icdoc!mjd@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Martin J Davies)
Subject: Games (or not) on the ST
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu



    All this discussion about how the ST is no games machine I
went out and bought GAUNTLET for it yesterday. Wow this is what a
computer is really for ! It costs about 25 Pounds in the UK (~=40$)
and is a pretty close version of the good ole arcade classic.
Has any one else playyed it yet ? Has anyone met the theif ?
Ive been to level 17 (past the first treasure room) and have not seen
him. The two drawbacks to the game are :-

    1) Only two can play , tho' they can select any of the usual players
    2) I dont get any work done ! (two people playin' Gauntlet is much more
fun than Time Bandit .

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Date: 11 Jul 87 00:23:14 GMT
From: mnetor!utgpu!lansd@seismo.css.gov  (Robert Lansdale)
Subject: Panasonic drive reliability?
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu


    I have been looking around for an external double sided drive for
my Atari here in Toronto. The only two on the market seem to be the
expensive Atari model ($360.00 CDN), and the Panasonic model ($275).
    Sometime in the last two weeks I have heard from someone that the
Panasonic has problems with diskettes written on an Atari drive. Any
truth to this statement? Any reliability problems with the Panasonic?
I don't feel comfortable buying a drive that is almost $100 cheaper
than the Atari one!

------------------------------

Date: 10 Jul 87 20:34:52 GMT
From: ihnp4!homxb!mtuxo!lzfme!marco@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (M.DOLCE)
Subject: Re: ATARI ST w/hybrid arts smptetrack; Any users out there?
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

In article <4552@ihlpa.ATT.COM>, rwn@ihlpa.ATT.COM (Bob Neumann) writes:
>
>     I am planning the purchase of an ATARI ST 1040 with
>     monochrome monitor. I plan to use the hybrid arts
>     smptetrack sequencing software/hardware for composing, etc.
>
>     Does anyone have expierience with this system, espiecially
>     the softaware package? Any pros/cons that I should consider?
>
        I'm not sure what *hybrid arts* smptetrack sequencing is -
HOWEVER - I've been using the Dr. T's Keyboard (MIDI) Sequencer Software on
an Atari 520 ST.  It's powerful,  very fast, and evidently the
best bang for the buck package around, ($540 for the Atari and monoichrome
monitor, $140 for the software).  A recent letter from the Dr. T people
announces a new smpte software release, it smpte is what you need.
Fill me in:  What does a smpte sequencer do that a midi sequencer
can't?  I thought that smpte was a protocol used to synch music or
whatever to film and video.  Is there such a thing as a smpte sequencer?
 . . . . Anybody else out there in netland using the Dr. T's
software on the Atari?  I would appreciate contact:  The thing is so damned
complex I haven't deciphered all the documentation yet.  Just another
bone-headed guitar player I guess (just kidding guys).

Mark D.  ihnp4!mtuxo!lzfme!marco

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 11 Jul 87 03:55:58 EST
From: maccarle@ed.ecn.purdue.edu (Carl A Maccarley)
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu
Subject: guide.uue for CAP

The following is a guide.uue file for Peter VerBruggen's issue of
Ger Gruiters' program CAP.   Sorry it wasn't included with the main
program files.

PS:  I have gotten a report that the program files did not un-ARC
correctly at one location.  The files were thoroughly checked
(downloaded and tested) before sending, but I'm worried that the
copies I sent to SCORE made it OK.  There may be a sinister IBM in my path.
The files were shipped off "as-received" from Peter, except for the
removal of extra newlines between every line of uuencode, that somehow
ended up in the files.  It is possible that other extra things lurk in
files that my uudecode doesn't mind, but others might.
If other people have this problem, please email me at my ARPA
address.  If several people have the same problem, I will assume
that the files got munged on the way to SCORE and re-post.
I'm not on the SCORE mailing list, so I won't see the results until
much later when it leaks onto our news.spool.

maccarle@ed.ecn.purdue.edu
___________________________________________________________________________


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