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From: sytek@tekgen.TEK.COM (Mike Ewan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec,comp.org.decus,comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: ULTRIX-11 question
Message-ID: <1507@tekgen.TEK.COM>
Date: Tue, 21-Jul-87 12:10:08 EDT
Article-I.D.: tekgen.1507
Posted: Tue Jul 21 12:10:08 1987
Date-Received: Thu, 23-Jul-87 06:47:42 EDT
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Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton, OR.
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Keywords: ULTRIX-11, PDP, DECNet, login from terminal servers(?)
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In article <2416@usceast.UUCP> still@usceast.UUCP (Bert Still) writes:
>
>                                          The users of the PDP accounts need
>to be able to log in from DECNet (DECServer 100s on the Ethernet), and they
>need to be able to initiate dialouts. It would be nice if a user could do
>remote logins (like SET HOST :-) between the PDP and the VAXen, but this is not
>necessary. Here is the question: it seems our best choice is ULTRIX-11, but
>the information I have gotten is rather nebulous about DECNet access to/from
>ULTRIX-11 (saying that there has to be an ULTRIX-32 node around in order to
>SET HOST from the PDP, and that going the other way is impossible :-( ).
>

I have an 11/44 running Ultrix-11.  Unfortunatly I don't have any experiance 
connecting to DECnet.  But I can quote from the DEC Software Technical 
Description.

    "An ULTRIX-11 Version 3.0 system can gain access to DECnet networks by
    means of a TCP/IP Ethernet connection to the ULTRIX-32 or ULTRIX-32m 
    node that is running DECnet-ULTRIX.  This DECnet access is transparent
    to the end user.  The DECnet access facility supports:
	o  Electronic mail

	o  Remote login

	o  File transfer

    "Users on the ULTRIX-11 V3.0 system can log into a remote DECnet system,
    but users on the DECnet system cannot set host to the ULTRIX-11 system.
    Files may be transferred to and from the DECnet system but the transfer 
    must be initiated from the ULTRIX-11 V3.0 system.  The supported DECnet
    commands are:
	dcat
	dcp
	dlogin
	dls
	drm
	mail
    "For file transfer operations, wild cards in the file names are not
    supported.  Also, source and destination files must be explicitly given.
    That is, automatic generation of destination file name from source
    file name is not supported."

It's still vague but I hope this helps.  What I get from this is that, yes
the PDP can talk to the VMS VAX, but a VAX running ULTRIX-32 must be in the
circuit to do the translation from TCP/IP to DECnet.  I got the same 
impression when talking with the folks at the Bellevue DEC ACT.

Mike Ewan
Tektronix Inc.
sytek@tekgen.UUCP