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From: karl@ddsw1.UUCP (Karl Denninger)
Newsgroups: comp.misc,misc.headlines
Subject: Re: Hacker Scholarship
Message-ID: <225@ddsw1.UUCP>
Date: Wed, 15-Jul-87 11:09:08 EDT
Article-I.D.: ddsw1.225
Posted: Wed Jul 15 11:09:08 1987
Date-Received: Sat, 18-Jul-87 01:52:07 EDT
References: <2757@mtgzz.UUCP> <345@genesis.UUCP> <2318@hoptoad.uucp> <555@agora.UUCP>
Organization: Macro Computer Solutions Inc., Mundelein IL
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Summary: Absolutely true
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In article <555@agora.UUCP>, batie@agora.UUCP (Alan Batie) writes:
> In article <1063@killer.UUCP> robertl@killer.UUCP (Robert Lord) writes:
> > (Dissertation comparing hacking to joyriding deleted)
> >
> 2.  It's false.  There are public access Unix systems all over the place
> now where one can get free access to do everything you're trying to accomplish
> (except cracking the system).  I run one myself (agora, 503-640-4262) --
> there's absolutely no need to crack a system to expand your horizons, unless
> you're such a twit that no one will give you an account (and I doubt that).
> -- 

True -- in the Chicago area, there are at least five public-access Unix
systems I know of, and probably a few I don't know about. Nice, inexpensive
systems like the 7300 and Microport's proliferation have been largely
responsible for this (heck, we run it here).

We permit public access to our system (in a limited manner). Some other
sites are much more open than we are (although they do not have the diverse
choice of facilities and software available that we do). Also, gaining what
essentially amounts to full access here requires only a modest contribution
to help us maintain our phone lines, etc.... 

In short -- you want to learn Unix, learn. If you're going to hack (be
destructive and/or invasive), you're way out of line.

(Modem number below is public access line)

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