Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!uunet!seismo!rochester!rutgers!labrea!aurora!ames!sdcsvax!ucbvax!CLARKU.BITNET!DHASKIN From: DHASKIN@CLARKU.BITNET (Denis W. Haskin, Manager, Technical Services) Newsgroups: comp.os.vms Subject: Re: Hackers Message-ID: <8707240628.AA12406@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> Date: Fri, 24-Jul-87 01:07:00 EDT Article-I.D.: ucbvax.8707240628.AA12406 Posted: Fri Jul 24 01:07:00 1987 Date-Received: Sat, 25-Jul-87 12:20:35 EDT Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Distribution: world Organization: The ARPA Internet Lines: 31 I know I should avoid propagating this topic (not because it isn't interesting and perhaps enlightening for some, but because Info-VAX is perhaps not the best forum for it), but... > Vladimir Ivanovic seems not to like the term "hacker" very much. I do. One is entitled to one's own opinion, obviously, but we don't live in a vacuum and one has to take into account society's definition of the term, not just your own. There were some *very* good discussions earlier of what 'hacker' now means to most people. > Unfortunately, i think we basically agree on what it means. I just like > other points of views: a hacker is someone who > [...] > - even to play with the ones you are not supposed to use (which i > don't consider a crime as long as you don't harm anyone), I *strongly* disagree, and someday you may find yourself arguing this point in court -- and losing (I believe the precedent is already there). If someone steals your car and goes joyriding, what would your reaction be? Or better, yet, jimmys your window every night and plays with your PC? Would you consider kids (or adults) breaking into an Army base and stealing an M-1 for a midnight romp a criminals? Is there a INFO-HACKER-PHILOSOPHY list somewhere to which this could move? % Denis W. Haskin Manager, Technical Services % % ----------------------------------------------------------------------- % % DHASKIN@CLARKU.BITNET Office of Information Systems (617)793-7193 % % Clark University 950 Main Street Worcester MA 01610 %