Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!uunet!seismo!uwvax!uwmacc!uwmcsd1!lakesys!gryphon!ddsw1!karl From: karl@ddsw1.UUCP (Karl Denninger) Newsgroups: comp.misc,misc.headlines Subject: Re: Hacker Scholarship Message-ID: <225@ddsw1.UUCP> Date: Wed, 15-Jul-87 11:09:08 EDT Article-I.D.: ddsw1.225 Posted: Wed Jul 15 11:09:08 1987 Date-Received: Sat, 18-Jul-87 01:52:07 EDT References: <2757@mtgzz.UUCP> <345@genesis.UUCP> <2318@hoptoad.uucp> <555@agora.UUCP> Organization: Macro Computer Solutions Inc., Mundelein IL Lines: 32 Summary: Absolutely true Xref: mnetor comp.misc:835 misc.headlines:1054 In article <555@agora.UUCP>, batie@agora.UUCP (Alan Batie) writes: > In article <1063@killer.UUCP> robertl@killer.UUCP (Robert Lord) writes: > > (Dissertation comparing hacking to joyriding deleted) > > > 2. It's false. There are public access Unix systems all over the place > now where one can get free access to do everything you're trying to accomplish > (except cracking the system). I run one myself (agora, 503-640-4262) -- > there's absolutely no need to crack a system to expand your horizons, unless > you're such a twit that no one will give you an account (and I doubt that). > -- True -- in the Chicago area, there are at least five public-access Unix systems I know of, and probably a few I don't know about. Nice, inexpensive systems like the 7300 and Microport's proliferation have been largely responsible for this (heck, we run it here). We permit public access to our system (in a limited manner). Some other sites are much more open than we are (although they do not have the diverse choice of facilities and software available that we do). Also, gaining what essentially amounts to full access here requires only a modest contribution to help us maintain our phone lines, etc.... In short -- you want to learn Unix, learn. If you're going to hack (be destructive and/or invasive), you're way out of line. (Modem number below is public access line) -- Karl Denninger UUCP : ...ihnp4!ddsw1!karl Macro Computer Solutions Dial : +1 (312) 566-8909 (300-1200) "Quality solutions at a fair price" Voice: +1 (312) 566-8910 (24 hrs)