Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!seismo!lll-crg!ames!ucbcad!ucbvax!decvax!decwrl!sun!shannon From: shannon@sun.uucp (Bill Shannon) Newsgroups: news.software.b Subject: Re: handling of moderated newsgroups in 2.11 Message-ID: <10428@sun.uucp> Date: Sun, 14-Dec-86 02:46:41 EST Article-I.D.: sun.10428 Posted: Sun Dec 14 02:46:41 1986 Date-Received: Tue, 16-Dec-86 01:51:14 EST References: <9732@sun.uucp> <2476@diamond.Diamond.BBN.COM> <9781@sun.uucp> <1354@munnari.oz> Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Lines: 86 Summary: The point is, the new scheme is less flexible In article <1354@munnari.oz>, kre@munnari.oz (Robert Elz) writes: > In article <9781@sun.uucp>, shannon@sun.uucp (Bill Shannon) writes: > > Our local moderated groups are fed by a mail alias that uses recnews. > > There is no real moderator in the loop. > > Huh? Why? If there's no moderator, how can this group possibly > be a moderated group. Because I don't want to allow direct posting to the group. There is no human moderator, but there is a program performing the function of a "moderator". > I guess what you really mean is that you want to force people to > mail things to the group list, rather than just posting them, > but again, why? Why not? I used to be able to, and it worked just fine. Why am I now restricted in the way I can post to local newsgroups? I think I've explained this in other messages, but the reasons for not allowing people to post directly to a newsgroup are more administrative than technical. > The only possible explanation I can think of is that you have > some people who want to treat the group as a mailing list, > getting info from it by mail, and replying by mail, and others > that want to treat it as a newsgroup. Exactly. > An easy way to do that is .. (assuming your group is sun.bugs so > I have a concrete name) > > In the sys file > > SunBugs:world,sun.bugs::mail SunBugsList > > In your aliases file > > SunBugs: SunBugsList, "|recnews sun.bugs" > SunBugsList: user1, user2, ... > > If you do this, people can mail to SunBugs, or post to sun.bugs > and everyone who's supposed to get a mail copy will, and the news > will be available as well. Yes, I think that will work. However, we have *a lot* of mailing lists, many of which I would like to "gateway" into newsgroups. I have no control over our aliases file, so I can not simply go in and edit each such mailing list to reorganize it as you suggest. What I can do is request that a new address be added to existing mailing lists, so that I can siphon off mail to the list and send it to a newsgroup. If I could then simply tell news to send postings back to the mailing list, my gateway would be complete without loops. This is the technique I've used for quite a while before 2.11. > Please, DON'T "fix" recnews to add approved headers. "Approved" > should mean "approved by the responsible human", not "mailed > to a magic address". Ok, fine, so give me a way to use recnews to post news to a local moderated newsgroup without it needing to be approved. > Robert Elz kre@munnari.oz > > ps: for those who care, precisely this kind of change is going to > happen to the "mod" groups that really aren't moderated (like > mod.computers.vax, and others). Exactly what kind of change? In addition to the local moderated newsgroups that I want to make work as before, there are several non-local moderated groups that are not handled at all well by the new scheme. If you ever read mod.computers.apollo you'll see lots of submissions with a Subject of "Submission for mod.computers.apollo". Pretty useless. If the people running mailing lists such as mod.computers.apollo refuse to accept USENET postings into the mailing list, then we will need a much better scheme to allow mailings to the mailing list instead of postings to the newsgroup. This used to be handled by the moderated newsgroup support. If you'd like to add support for yet another type of newsgroup (a "mail" newsgroup?) that doesn't require approval to post to it from recnews, but forces all postings from postnews, followup, etc to be mailed to a certain address (but how does it know where the posting is coming from?), that's fine with me. Just give me a way to do what I always used to be able to do. Bill Shannon