Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!seismo!lll-crg!rutgers!princeton!allegra!alice!jj From: jj@alice.UUCP Newsgroups: news.misc Subject: Re: Can We Shut Up Now? Message-ID: <6484@alice.uUCp> Date: Wed, 17-Dec-86 15:30:10 EST Article-I.D.: alice.6484 Posted: Wed Dec 17 15:30:10 1986 Date-Received: Thu, 18-Dec-86 22:41:53 EST References: <8612080908.AA08813@jade.berkeley.edu> <517@cartan.Berkeley.EDU> <568@cartan.Berkeley.EDU> Organization: New Jersey State Farm for the Terminally Bewildered Lines: 33 Keywords: e-mail Summary: ad-hominem doesn't belong in net administration groups! Mr. Smith, in an ad-hominem reply to my comments on his regarding Harnad, states quite clearly that I believe in censorship. He also quotes my words, which advocate complaining to the source you don't like, rather than to their boss, or what have you. This, regardless of what Mr. Smith says, is not censorship, it is simply expecting the writer to take responsiblity for that which is written. I do not, and let me state this clearly, advocate censorship, in any form, for any actions that are legal and maintain at least a pretense of civility. I believe that breaches of civility are entirely permissible in places where they are expected, and should be treated with (private) scorn where they are NOT expected. The statement that I advocate censorship is a straw-man argument, clear as simple, and is an utter mistatement. It appears that such mistatement is part and parcel of this entire and * deliberately fabricated * discussion of censorship. Furthermore, Mr. Smith states again, and again incorrectly, that discussion of this fabricated crises should happen in news.misc. Given the nature of this discussion, its obvious overtones of political and personal philosophy, and such, it is clear that it does NOT belong in any news.* group, but that it rather belongs in talk.flame (if such exists), talk.politics.or perhaps some other group of which I am blissfully unaware in which individuals demonstrate their pre-primate ancestry. -- TEDDYBEARS ARE FOR ALL YEAR. "Kiss me, Kate, and cursed' be he who first cries 'Enough!' " (ihnp4;allegra;research)!alice!jj