Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!seismo!lll-lcc!ames!ucbcad!ucbvax!fingate.BITNET!MAILER-DAEMON From: MAILER-DAEMON@fingate.BITNET (Mail Delivery Subsystem) Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st Subject: Returned mail: unknown mailer error 1 Message-ID: <8612310107.AA02174@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> Date: Tue, 30-Dec-86 22:41:44 EST Article-I.D.: ucbvax.8612310107.AA02174 Posted: Tue Dec 30 22:41:44 1986 Date-Received: Wed, 31-Dec-86 03:45:26 EST Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Organization: The ARPA Internet Lines: 421 ----- Transcript of session follows ----- sh: /usr/lib/news/recnews: not found 554 "|/usr/lib/news/recnews sfnet.atari16"... unknown mailer error 1 ----- Unsent message follows ----- Received: by santra.UUCP (5.51/6.1.TeKoLa) id AA01828; Tue, 30 Dec 86 15:40:49 +0200 From:Message-Id: <8612301340.AA01828@santra.UUCP> Received: by fingate Tue Dec 30 15:40:43 from MAILER@FINHUTC.BITNET via rscs. To: , Original-From: Info-Atari16 Digest Received: by FINHUTC (Mailer X1.23b) id 1665; Tue, 30 Dec 86 15:31:55 FIN Date: Mon 29 Dec 86 10:35:57 PST Reply-To: Info-Atari16@Score.Stanford.edu Sender: Atari ST users forum Comments: To: "Distribution List: ;" Subject: Info-Atari16 Digest V86 #64 Jouko Yl{lahti Info-Atari16 Digest Monday, December 29, 1986 Volume 86 : Issue 64 This weeks Editor: Bill Westfield Today's Topics: Re: 1040 STF Hard disk questions Hard disks - The Saga Continues (long) Easy Draw 2.0 & Publishing Partner STarter Kit Address Wanted Copyright questions (Re: ARC) Re: STarter Kit Address Wanted Speak and Spell program? avatex modem woes My Previous Postings - What are They? UUdecode Desk Accessory ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 24 Dec 86 20:06:18 GMT From: imagen!atari!neil@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Neil Harris) Subject: Re: 1040 STF To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu In article <861222-095327-8810@Xerox>, Bicer.ES@XEROX.COM writes: > > Does anyone know the difference between 1040ST and 1040STF? > No difference. The F stands for floppy, as in built-in floppy drive. The 520 is actually called (in the USA) the 520STM, M for Modulator. -- --->Neil @ Atari ....{hoptoad, lll-lcc, pyramid, imagen, sun}!atari!neil ...{hoptoad, lll-lcc, pyramid, imagen, sun}!atari!neil BIX: neilharris CIS: 70007,1135 Delphi: NEILHARRIS GENIE: nharris WELL: neil Atari Corp. BBS 408-745-5308 US Mail: Atari Corp. 1196 Borregas Ave. Sunnyvale, CA 94086 "Loose chips sink ships." ------------------------------ Date: 25 Dec 86 04:32:38 GMT From: decvax!mcnc!ravi@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Ravi Subrahmanyan) Subject: Hard disk questions To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu I have some questions about the use of a hard disk with the ST, I'd appreciate getting comments on these points: 1) What is the '40 folder limit' that's been bandied about on the net? Can one not have more than 40 folders on the disk (this does not make sense), or is one limited to visiting 40 folders in a session? Do multiple openings of a folder count towards the total more than once? 2) Is there a limit on the number of files one can have in a folder, or on a logical disk? Please comment on any and all limits.. 3) Should the head parking program (I presume that's what SHIP.PRG does) be run each time the drive is powered down), or only if it is to be moved? Is it Ok to turn the drive off without special attention? (I do not have a manual that may have the answer to this). 4) Is the use of nonstandard partitions Ok? I made up a partition by creating an entry in the WINCAP file, and it looks fine so far. Specifically, I have 30 Mb divided up into 5-10-10-5. I realize I could probably find out some of the limits by trial and error, but I'm afraid there may be some inconsistent ones I may miss. What are some benchmarks I may use to evaluate the 'performance' of the drive? I'd like to run something that's been done on the Supra and Atari drives, to make a realistic comparison. Thanks in advance for the help/advice. -ravi {seismo, decvax, ucbvax, ihnp4}!mcnc!ravi ------------------------------ Date: 25 Dec 86 05:27:08 GMT From: decvax!mcnc!ravi@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Ravi Subrahmanyan) Subject: Hard disks - The Saga Continues (long) To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu Here's another tale of the piecing together of a hard-disk, including my evaluation (financial and otherwise) of the Ultimate Question: Why Bother?? Anyway, it all began one dark and stormy night when I read a posting describing a DMA-->SCSI adapter from Berkeley Microsystems. My curiosity aroused, I called them up, and found that they offered the board together with an Adaptek 4000 controller for $250. Also, the board has a battery-backed up clock which can be used to update the ST's internal clock, etc. Anyway, it seemed that this might be a nice way to get a hard drive, provided I could get a good deal on a bare drive. I snooped around, and the basic choices (within my budget) were a Seagate ST225N, and a CDC Wren 9415. The price breakdowns were roughly as follows: a) DMA-->SCSI : ~125 b) SCSI controller: ~125 c) ST506 compatible hard drive: 1) Seagate ST225N (20Mb) ~325 2) Control Data 9415 (30Mb) ~325 d) Power supply: The CDC needs 4A at 12V during Sjartup, so it needs a fairly hefty supply: ~75 It was obvious that making the 20Mb system would not save me anything, at best I would barely break even. However, the CDC looked promising, and so I decided to go ahead and take the plunge. 3 weeks later, I have a roaring monster strewn all over the table in front of me; it's noisy, the table looks like a Klingon cruiser, but it does work, and I have a 30 Mb drive. Is it all worth it? Well, Tech-Specialities now advertises a hard disk kit for $595. They give you some sort of a case and power supply, with space/power for 2 half-height drives, one Seagate ST225, and the controller cards. Considering the convenience that offers, an experience like mine is of dubious value. Finding an appropriate power supply was a pain, plus the CDC is full height, so mounting the boards needed some machine work. Also, I don't have a case, so it's sitting out front in all it's glory. But, on the other hand, I do have a 30Mb drive for ~700. Also, I'm certain it's a faster drive (it's voice-coil), for what that's worth. I think I can get an IBM-PC case for ~30, and if I can put it all in that, at least it'll be packaged. Also, I can add a second drive for ~350 (the controller + drivers can handle two drives), so I have the option of expanding cheaply at some future date if I wish. All in all, it's almost worth the hassle, especially now that it's over. If you like making things, it's probably a good deal; one certainly breaks even. Finally, it adds an element of (possibly unpleasant) surprise to the whole thing.. (will it work or won't it? Did I just blow $$$? Will the old lady make me sleep in Fido's room for the rest of the decade? Should I have it (Fido's room) carpeted before I start this, just in case?.. you get the idea..) Hope this fires up some intrepid adventurers out there, -ravi ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Dec 86 15:58:23 EST From: Silver%UMass.BITNET@WISCVM.WISC.EDU (I forgot your name Subject: Easy Draw 2.0 & Publishing Partner To: Info-Atari16@SU-SCORE.ARPA Hello, For all desktop publishing fans. I just received a letter from Migraph, Inc. Informing me that the new version of Easy-Draw is now available for registered owners of Easy-Draw. So, if you have not mailed your warranty card in yet, I think it is about time. In the letter (all done with Easy-Draw, very nice.) they mention the new features of Easy-Draw, which are: * New Improved User Manual. Over 100 pages full of new information, and a new section on using Easy-Draw for Desktop Publishing. * Load ASCII - Import ASCII files into Easy-Draw from your favorite word processir. Break text blocks too. * Edit Polyline - Add or delete points to any polyline object. Modify part or all of any polyline object. * Flip or Mirror - Any object instantly. * Single .GEM file format - All files are stored in ".GEM" format. * New Arrange commands - Help you quickly page center and evenly space objects. * New ARC commands - Displays the angle and percentages. (Pie Charts!) * Metric and Inch - Page sizes and measurements. * 2 new point sizes - 7 and 28 point are included. * Automatic Copy, Epson FX WIDE driver, and load up to 5 fonts. Also twice the amount of text per drawing. * 1/10 grid spacing and more... To upgrade: Send original disks (both!) with warranty card (if you did not send it before) with $25.00 in a check or in VISA or MC. Add $4.00 for S&H in Canada add $6.00 all internation orders add $10.00. ALL payment must be in Check, Money Order or VISA or MC. Internation orders use cash (USD) or card only. To: Migraph, Inc. 720 S 333rd (201) Federal Way, WA 98003 (I don't work with Migraph, not do I know anybody there, just passing the info on...) Upgrade goes up to $40 after January 31. About Publishing Partner, I called them up (seems I do one a week thes days.) All pre-paid orders are being shipped, week after x-mass they ship COD orders. So, soon we should get that amazing program. :-) Rick Flashman Flash@UMASS.BITNET 1040 N. Pleasant St. #381 Flash%UMASS.BITNET@WISCVM.WISC.EDU Amherst, MA 01002 R-FLASHMAN on GENIE (413) 549-0173 "Only after the traveler has stopped to reflect has his real journey begun." - from T. Serstevens ------------------------------ Date: 24 Dec 86 18:16:51 GMT From: ubc-vision!mprvaxa!jackson@beaver.cs.washington.edu (Taylor Jackson) Subject: STarter Kit Address Wanted To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu Have started the pre-season "paperless office and home" blitz, and have (of course) thown out all the valuable stuff and kept the leftovers. Would someone send me John Franco's address so I can get the STarter Kit. Many Thankyouse in advance Taylor Jackson ------------------------------ Date: 27 Dec 86 07:41:14 GMT From: mnetor!genat!maccs!cs4e3ao@seismo.css.gov (cs4e3ao) Subject: Copyright questions (Re: ARC) To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu I recently downloaded a file called IBMSRCE.ARC from a local BBS, it turned out that this archive contained most of the source files for ARC (IBM version 4.??) What I would like to know is ... Are these files in the public domain? (they all contain copyright notices in them) If they are PD then could someone please send me the ST sources (vers. 5.12 I believe) If they are not PD then what could/would happen if I were to produce and market a program which was in some way compatible with ARC files? (say my program were able to extract files from an archive) Would things be different if the program I wrote was PD? Any help would be appreciated as I do not want to start this project until these questions are cleared up. Thanks Grant Henderson ------------------------------ Date: 26 Dec 86 13:29:00 GMT From: ihnp4!inuxc!iuvax!franco@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU Subject: Re: STarter Kit Address Wanted To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu The STarter Kit, designed for new owners of an ST who have discovered that their machines are virtually useless without some additional software (communications, terminal emulators, ramdisks, text editors, memory editors, disk editors, languages (xlisp, forth), C source for xlisp and communications languages (mainly to teach some C programming principles), ARC + dozens of other utilities, an entire development system (in FORTH)), may be obtained by sending 5 disks formatted single-sided, SASE (that is, self addressed, stamped envelope), packing material to: John Franco 2535 Spicewood Lane Bloomington, IN 47401 USA From Europe send $3.00 US in postal coupons, from Canada send $1.50 US in postal coupons. ------------------------------ Mail-From: BILLW created at 28-Dec-86 22:18:11 Date: Sun 28 Dec 86 22:18:11-PST From: William "Chops" Westfield Subject: Speak and Spell program? To: info-mac@SUMEX-AIM.Stanford.EDU, info-atari16@Score.Stanford.EDU, So my girlfriend and I got her son a TI Speak and Spell for Christmas, and I was wondering whether a piece of software that does the same sort of thing is available for any of the current generation of "home" computers, since I know at least that they can all talk. (If not, why not? It seems like a good idea...) Please at least CC me directly, since I don't read any of these mailing lists very frequently. BillW ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Dec 86 22:46:22 PST From: <20370843@wsuvm1.bitnet> Reply-To: 20370843%WSUVM1.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu Subject: avatex modem woes My avatex 1200 modem has worked fine so far for kermit and xmodem uploads and downloads (probably over 200K of each). I had to change a DIP switch in the back though: sw 6 is down (DTR forced active). All others are in the default or up position. I haven't changed any of the flow-control parameters through the control panel. My RS-232 cable only has the following lines connected: Ground, RD, TD. Hope this helps. ---BLH ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Dec 86 12:19:15 est From: Eric Terrell To: info-atari16@su-score.arpa Subject: My Previous Postings - What are They? I apologize for sending the uuencoded binaries with little or no explanation as to their contents. When I send such a file I give a command like: mail -s "this is the subject" < But somehow the subject string doesn't make it. At any rate from now on I'll place some information about the posting at the top of the uuencoded file. But here's an explanation of the various postings: memtest.arc - contains a memory diagnostic program and user's guide target.arc - contains a simple 2-person (mono only) target shooting game and user's guide digit.arc - contains a digital music player, and about 5 seconds of music from the Rush band. If anyone has any more files for this program, (i.e. other input data files) please let me know. twomore.arc - two little (mono only) graphics demo programs Terrell ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Dec 86 12:56 EST From: Rodney Subject: UUdecode Desk Accessory To: info-atari16@SCORE.STANFORD.EDU Alright, I went and did it, I bought the developers kit, and that Sybex book, now I know alot about gem. My first real program will be a Desk accessory that does uudecoding in the background. The idea here is that you would use kermit to transfer your file, and then pop down the uudecode da, tell it what file you want to decode, and let it go. It would do occasional timer events to keep things going, and decode the file showing the line number & bytes output so far. Since its a da, you can go back to kermit and transfer another file while this is going on due to the "limited multitasking kernal". Are there any features you all would like to see in this before I start the serious coding? I plan to steal Paul Smee's code for the actual uudecoding (with proper credit given)...it handels the missing spaces and inserted nulls and those wacky "`"s. A filled bar indicating how much of the input file has been read might be nice (and in the gem spirit). leave me some mail.... rodp@radc-multics.arpa (thru the wiscvm gateway for bitnet) PS: As a registered developer, what am I entitled to as far as Gdos goes? Also, what do I do with the disclosure statement??? ------------------------------ End of Info-Atari16 Digest ************************** -------