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Subject:      Info-Atari16 Digest V86 #64
              Jouko Yl{lahti 

Info-Atari16 Digest   Monday, December 29, 1986   Volume 86 : Issue 64

This weeks Editor: Bill Westfield

Today's Topics:

                             Re: 1040 STF
                         Hard disk questions
                Hard disks - The Saga Continues (long)
                  Easy Draw 2.0 & Publishing Partner
                      STarter Kit Address Wanted
                    Copyright questions (Re: ARC)
                    Re: STarter Kit Address Wanted
                       Speak and Spell program?
                          avatex modem woes
                My Previous Postings - What are They?
                       UUdecode Desk Accessory

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Date: 24 Dec 86 20:06:18 GMT
From: imagen!atari!neil@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Neil Harris)
Subject: Re: 1040 STF
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

In article <861222-095327-8810@Xerox>, Bicer.ES@XEROX.COM writes:
>
> Does anyone know the difference between 1040ST and  1040STF?
>

No difference.  The F stands for floppy, as in built-in floppy drive.  The
520 is actually called (in the USA) the 520STM, M for Modulator.
--
--->Neil @ Atari

....{hoptoad, lll-lcc, pyramid, imagen, sun}!atari!neil
...{hoptoad, lll-lcc, pyramid, imagen, sun}!atari!neil

BIX: neilharris        CIS: 70007,1135        Delphi: NEILHARRIS
GENIE: nharris        WELL: neil        Atari Corp. BBS 408-745-5308

US Mail: Atari Corp.
         1196 Borregas Ave.
         Sunnyvale, CA 94086

"Loose chips sink ships."

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Date: 25 Dec 86 04:32:38 GMT
From: decvax!mcnc!ravi@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Ravi Subrahmanyan)
Subject: Hard disk questions
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu


    I have some questions about the use of a hard disk with the
ST,  I'd appreciate getting comments on these points:

    1)  What is the '40 folder limit' that's been bandied about
        on the net?  Can one not have more than 40 folders on the
        disk (this does not make sense), or is one limited to
        visiting 40 folders in a session?   Do multiple openings
        of a folder count towards the total more than once?

    2)  Is there a limit on the number of files one can have in
        a folder, or on a logical disk?   Please comment on any
        and all limits..

    3)  Should the head parking program (I presume that's what
        SHIP.PRG does) be run each time the drive is powered down),
        or only if it is to be moved?  Is it Ok to turn the drive
        off without special attention?
        (I do not have a manual that may have the answer to this).

    4)  Is the use of nonstandard partitions Ok?  I made up a
        partition by creating an entry in the WINCAP file, and it
        looks fine so far.  Specifically, I have 30 Mb divided up
        into 5-10-10-5.

    I realize I could probably find out some of the limits by
trial and error, but I'm afraid there may be some inconsistent
ones I may miss.

    What are some benchmarks I may use to evaluate the
'performance' of the drive?  I'd like to run something that's been
done on the Supra and Atari drives, to make a realistic comparison.

    Thanks in advance for the help/advice.

                                -ravi

                {seismo, decvax, ucbvax, ihnp4}!mcnc!ravi

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Date: 25 Dec 86 05:27:08 GMT
From: decvax!mcnc!ravi@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Ravi Subrahmanyan)
Subject: Hard disks - The Saga Continues (long)
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

    Here's another tale of the piecing together of a hard-disk,
including my evaluation (financial and otherwise) of the Ultimate Question:
Why Bother??

    Anyway, it all began one dark and stormy night when I read a
posting describing a DMA-->SCSI adapter from Berkeley Microsystems.
My curiosity aroused, I called them up, and found that they offered
the board together with an Adaptek 4000 controller for $250.  Also,
the board has a battery-backed up clock which can be used to update
the ST's internal clock, etc.  Anyway, it seemed that this might be a
nice way to get a hard drive, provided I could get a good deal on a
bare drive.  I snooped around, and the basic choices (within my budget)
were a Seagate ST225N, and a CDC Wren 9415.  The price breakdowns were
roughly as follows:

        a)  DMA-->SCSI        :          ~125
        b)  SCSI controller:        ~125
        c)  ST506 compatible hard drive:

            1)  Seagate ST225N (20Mb)     ~325
            2)  Control Data 9415 (30Mb)  ~325

        d)  Power supply:  The CDC needs 4A at 12V during
Sjartup, so it needs a fairly hefty supply:    ~75

It was obvious that making the 20Mb system would not save me anything,
at best I would barely break even.  However, the CDC looked promising, and
so I decided to go ahead and take the plunge.   3 weeks later, I have a
roaring monster strewn all over the table in front of me;  it's noisy,
the table looks like a Klingon cruiser, but it does work, and I have a
30 Mb drive.

Is it all worth it?   Well, Tech-Specialities now advertises a
hard disk kit for $595.  They give you some sort of a case and power
supply, with space/power for 2 half-height drives, one Seagate
ST225, and the controller cards.  Considering the convenience that
offers, an experience like mine is of dubious value.  Finding an
appropriate power supply was a pain, plus the CDC is full height, so
mounting the boards needed some machine work.  Also, I don't have a
case, so it's sitting out front in all it's glory.

    But, on the other hand,  I do have a 30Mb drive for ~700.
Also, I'm certain it's a faster drive (it's voice-coil), for what
that's worth.  I think I can get an IBM-PC case for ~30, and if I
can put it all in that, at least it'll be packaged.  Also, I can add
a second drive for ~350 (the controller + drivers can handle two
drives), so I have the option of expanding cheaply at some future date if I
wish.  All in all, it's almost worth the hassle, especially now that
it's over.  If you like making things, it's probably a good deal;
one certainly breaks even.  Finally, it adds an element of (possibly
unpleasant) surprise to the whole thing.. (will it work or won't it?
Did I just blow $$$?  Will the old lady make me sleep in Fido's
room for the rest of the decade? Should I have it (Fido's room)
carpeted before I start this, just in case?.. you get the idea..)

    Hope this fires up some intrepid adventurers out there,

                            -ravi

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Date:     Thu, 25 Dec 86  15:58:23 EST
From:  Silver%UMass.BITNET@WISCVM.WISC.EDU  (I forgot your name
Subject:  Easy Draw 2.0 & Publishing Partner
To:  Info-Atari16@SU-SCORE.ARPA

Hello,

     For all desktop publishing fans. I just received a letter from
Migraph, Inc. Informing me that the new version of Easy-Draw is now
available for registered owners of Easy-Draw. So, if you have not
mailed your warranty card in yet, I think it is about time. In the
letter (all done with Easy-Draw, very nice.) they mention the new
features of Easy-Draw, which are:

* New Improved User Manual. Over 100 pages full of new information,
  and a new section on using Easy-Draw for Desktop Publishing.

* Load ASCII - Import ASCII files into Easy-Draw from your favorite
               word processir. Break text blocks too.

* Edit Polyline - Add or delete points to any polyline object. Modify
                  part or all of any polyline object.

* Flip or Mirror - Any object instantly.

* Single .GEM file format - All files are stored in ".GEM" format.

* New Arrange commands - Help you quickly page center and evenly space
                         objects.
* New ARC commands - Displays the angle and percentages. (Pie Charts!)

* Metric and Inch - Page sizes and measurements.

* 2 new point sizes - 7 and 28 point are included.

* Automatic Copy, Epson FX WIDE driver, and load up to 5 fonts. Also
  twice the amount of text per drawing.

* 1/10 grid spacing and more...

To upgrade:
   Send original disks (both!) with warranty card (if you did not send
it before) with $25.00 in a check or in VISA or MC. Add $4.00 for S&H
in Canada add $6.00 all internation orders add $10.00. ALL payment must
be in Check, Money Order or VISA or MC. Internation orders use cash (USD)
or card only. To:

Migraph, Inc.
720 S 333rd (201)
Federal Way, WA 98003

(I don't work with Migraph, not do I know anybody there, just passing the
 info on...)

Upgrade goes up to $40 after January 31.


     About Publishing Partner, I called them up (seems I do one a week
thes days.) All pre-paid orders are being shipped, week after x-mass they
ship COD orders. So, soon we should get that amazing program. :-)

Rick Flashman                         Flash@UMASS.BITNET
1040 N. Pleasant St. #381             Flash%UMASS.BITNET@WISCVM.WISC.EDU
Amherst, MA  01002                    R-FLASHMAN on GENIE
(413) 549-0173

"Only after the traveler has stopped to reflect has his real journey
 begun." - from T. Serstevens

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Date: 24 Dec 86 18:16:51 GMT
From: ubc-vision!mprvaxa!jackson@beaver.cs.washington.edu  (Taylor Jackson)
Subject: STarter Kit Address Wanted
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

Have started the pre-season "paperless office and home" blitz, and have
(of course) thown out all the valuable stuff and kept the leftovers.
Would someone send me John Franco's address so I can get the STarter Kit.

Many Thankyouse in advance
Taylor Jackson

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Date: 27 Dec 86 07:41:14 GMT
From: mnetor!genat!maccs!cs4e3ao@seismo.css.gov  (cs4e3ao)
Subject: Copyright questions (Re: ARC)
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

I recently downloaded a file called IBMSRCE.ARC from a local BBS, it
turned out that this archive contained most of the source files
for ARC (IBM version 4.??)

What I would like to know is ...

  Are these files in the public domain? (they all contain copyright
    notices in them)
  If they are PD then could someone please send me the ST sources
    (vers. 5.12 I believe)
  If they are not PD then what could/would happen if I were to produce
    and market a program which was in some way compatible with ARC
    files? (say my program were able to extract files from an archive)
    Would things be different if the program I wrote was PD?

Any help would be appreciated as I do not want to start this project until
these questions are cleared up.

Thanks
  Grant Henderson

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Date: 26 Dec 86 13:29:00 GMT
From: ihnp4!inuxc!iuvax!franco@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU
Subject: Re: STarter Kit Address Wanted
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

The STarter Kit, designed for new owners of an ST who have discovered that
their machines are virtually useless without some additional software
(communications, terminal emulators, ramdisks, text editors, memory editors,
disk editors, languages (xlisp, forth), C source for xlisp and communications
languages (mainly to teach some C programming principles), ARC + dozens
of other utilities, an entire development system (in FORTH)), may be
obtained by sending 5 disks formatted single-sided, SASE (that is, self
addressed, stamped envelope), packing material to:

John Franco
2535 Spicewood Lane
Bloomington, IN 47401
USA

From Europe send $3.00 US in postal coupons, from Canada send $1.50 US in
postal coupons.

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Mail-From: BILLW created at 28-Dec-86 22:18:11
Date: Sun 28 Dec 86 22:18:11-PST
From: William "Chops" Westfield 
Subject: Speak and Spell program?
To: info-mac@SUMEX-AIM.Stanford.EDU, info-atari16@Score.Stanford.EDU,

So my girlfriend and I got her son a TI Speak and Spell for Christmas,
and I was wondering whether a piece of software that does the same
sort of thing is available for any of the current generation of
"home" computers, since I know at least that they can all talk.
(If not, why not?  It seems like a good idea...)

Please at least CC me directly, since I don't read any of these
mailing lists very frequently.

BillW

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Date: Sun, 28 Dec 86 22:46:22 PST
From: <20370843@wsuvm1.bitnet>
Reply-To: 20370843%WSUVM1.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu
Subject:  avatex modem woes

My avatex 1200 modem has worked fine so far for kermit and xmodem uploads
and downloads (probably over 200K of each).  I had to change a
DIP switch in the back though:   sw 6 is down (DTR forced active).  All
others are in the default or up position.  I haven't changed any of the
flow-control parameters through the control panel.

My RS-232 cable only has the following lines connected: Ground, RD, TD.

Hope this helps.

---BLH

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Date: Wed, 24 Dec 86 12:19:15 est
From: Eric Terrell 
To: info-atari16@su-score.arpa
Subject: My Previous Postings - What are They?


I apologize for sending the uuencoded binaries with little or no
explanation as to their contents.

When I send such a file I give a command like:

mail  -s "this is the subject" < 

But somehow the subject string doesn't make it.  At any rate from now
on I'll place some information about the posting at the top of the
uuencoded file.

But here's an explanation of the various postings:

memtest.arc - contains a memory diagnostic program and user's guide
target.arc  - contains a simple 2-person (mono only) target shooting game and
              user's guide
digit.arc   - contains a digital music player, and about 5 seconds of music
              from the Rush band.  If anyone has any more files for this
              program, (i.e. other input data files) please let me know.
twomore.arc - two little (mono only) graphics demo programs

Terrell

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Date:  Mon, 29 Dec 86 12:56 EST
From:  Rodney 
Subject:  UUdecode Desk Accessory
To:  info-atari16@SCORE.STANFORD.EDU

  Alright, I went and did it, I bought the developers kit, and that
Sybex book, now I know alot about gem.  My first real program will be a
Desk accessory that does uudecoding in the background.  The idea here is
that you would use kermit to transfer your file, and then pop down the
uudecode da, tell it what file you want to decode, and let it go.  It
would do occasional timer events to keep things going, and decode the
file showing the line number & bytes output so far.
  Since its a da, you can go back to kermit and transfer another file
while this is going on due to the "limited multitasking kernal".

  Are there any features you all would like to see in this before I
start the serious coding?  I plan to steal Paul Smee's code for the
actual uudecoding (with proper credit given)...it handels the missing
spaces and inserted nulls and those wacky "`"s.
  A filled bar indicating how much of the input file has been read might
be nice (and in the gem spirit).
  leave me some mail....
       rodp@radc-multics.arpa  (thru the wiscvm gateway for bitnet)
  PS:  As a registered developer, what am I entitled to as far as Gdos
goes?  Also, what do I do with the disclosure statement???

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