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From: jj@alice.UUCP
Newsgroups: news.misc
Subject: Re: Can We Shut Up Now?
Message-ID: <6484@alice.uUCp>
Date: Wed, 17-Dec-86 15:30:10 EST
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Posted: Wed Dec 17 15:30:10 1986
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Summary: ad-hominem doesn't belong in net administration groups!


Mr. Smith, in an ad-hominem reply to my comments on his regarding
Harnad, states quite clearly that I believe in censorship.  He also
quotes my words, which advocate complaining to the source
you don't like, rather than to their boss, or what
have you.  This, regardless of what Mr. Smith says, is
not censorship, it is simply expecting the writer to take
responsiblity for that which is written.  I do not, and let 
me state this clearly, advocate censorship, in any form, for
any actions that are legal and maintain at least a pretense
of civility.  I believe that breaches of civility are entirely
permissible in places where they are expected, and should
be treated with (private) scorn where they are NOT expected.

The statement that I advocate censorship is a straw-man argument,
clear as simple, and is an utter mistatement.

It appears that such mistatement is part and parcel of this entire
and * deliberately fabricated * discussion of censorship.

Furthermore, Mr. Smith states again, and again incorrectly,
that discussion of this fabricated crises should happen in 
news.misc.   Given the nature of this discussion, its obvious
overtones of political and personal philosophy, and such, it is
clear that it does NOT belong in any news.* group, but that it
rather belongs in talk.flame (if such exists), talk.politics.
or perhaps some other group of which I am blissfully unaware in which
individuals demonstrate their pre-primate ancestry.
-- 
TEDDYBEARS ARE FOR ALL YEAR.
"Kiss me, Kate, and cursed' be he who first cries 'Enough!' "

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