Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!seismo!rutgers!ames!ucbcad!ucbvax!decvax!decwrl!labrea!cascade!leeke From: leeke@cascade.STANFORD.EDU (Steven D. Leeke) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac Subject: Re: Should 64K ROMs be supported? Message-ID: <262@cascade.STANFORD.EDU> Date: Fri, 9-Jan-87 13:38:06 EST Article-I.D.: cascade.262 Posted: Fri Jan 9 13:38:06 1987 Date-Received: Sat, 10-Jan-87 02:05:41 EST References: <542@runx.OZ> <246@cascade.STANFORD.EDU> <575@runx.OZ> Reply-To: leeke@cascade.UUCP (Steven D. Leeke) Organization: Stanford University Computer Systems Laboratory Lines: 77 Jason: Please accept my apologies. I was the one whose brain was out of gear. In Proverbs it says that 'sin is not far from much speaking' - how true. Thank you for stating that MaxSpeaks will not be repeated. First, whether a developer supports the old ROMS or not will be determined by several things: 1) If they are top pros like Microsoft they will because that's the way to sell the most copies of a program. 2) If they have special features that would be hard to do on the old ROMS (i.e. lots of patches such as servant) they will force you to get new ROMS. e.g. Servant, some of the new draw programs. 3) If they are a small operation (or a private individual that is doing this for their own enjoyment) they will have limited resources. Most likely will choose to develop for whatever set of ROMS they currently have in the new machine (most likely the new ones these days, but not necessarily) - unless they have a VERY strong committment to general machine development and trying to serve the full range of configurations (and this is on a closed machine - wait until Paris and Alladin are here). I do not see how there can be a definitive statement about whether both ROMS should be suppported or only one. I believe that the best possible case will be that both ROMS will be supported, but I think that the three cases above will exist. Second, as the person who gets asked on many occasions in our lab about what to buy for our Mac systems I get very ticked off that everyone assumes that by some right of existence they deserve (hot) copies of: 1) Copy II Mac 2) MacWrite (which is NOT included w/ the Plus) 3) MacPaint (") 4) MacDraw 5) VersaTerm/MacTerminal and I wind up explaining why we should buy software and how pirating is just a discrete form of shoplifting (and can be a felony at some of the prices publishers charge). I am perhaps oversensitive to this because of a summer I spent at a company that ENFORCED pirating on its employees as a matter of policy. We were all handed copies of the manual and disk for 1-2-3 and EasyWriter when we started. The corporate counsel did nothing to assure me that a change would be made when I complained - and since I left shortly thereafter to return to school I don't know if they ever changed. We have had much better luck with pirating in my lab lately since the Mac has been embraced by the lab and purchased in quantity - with software - rather than one here or there. I should have reacted to your message with the following rather than with what I did say: Jason: It sounds from your last posting that you might be equating vanilla-Mac owners with priates. I doubt you intended this, and I do agree that pirating is a severe problem - but how about a disclaimer for those of us with vanilla-Macs next time? If we want companies to do away with copy-protection let's reinforce the positives. The above would have saved keystrokes, time, and anguish. Good luck with LSP C 2.x. Steve Leeke -- Steven D. Leeke, Center for Integrated Systems, Stanford University {ucbvax,decvax}!decwrl!glacier!leeke, leeke@cascade.stanford.edu "I suppose they don't use money in the 23rd century?"