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From: tp@ndm20
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Subject: Re: spaf's note on fa->mod groups
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Date: Fri, 1-Nov-85 08:42:00 EST
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Posted: Fri Nov  1 08:42:00 1985
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Nf-From: ndm20!tp    Nov  1 07:42:00 1985


>>Has anyone considered that the new mod names (mod.computers.*) are not
>>significant within the first 14 characters?  This will break sites running
>>older versions of news and notes.  Is it too late to request a name
>>change?  (Perhaps mod.comp.*?)

Almost right.  I  run notes  1.7, the  latest version,  and the names
break my site!  


As for old notesfiles sites, I consider them in the same light as I do
old netnews sites. A notesfiles site that expects to interact with the
rest of USENET has to be prepared to track the standard and upgrade as
>necessary. I don't know exactly when the `alias' feature which handles
>long newsgroup names for notesfiles became available in notes, but I
>know it was in place when net.religion.christian was created nearly a
>year ago, because there was some silly foofrah in net.news.group at the
>time.

Sorry to disappoint you but the alias  feature is  less than perfect.
It only works on transmit.  Now I could go through all  the hassle of
getting stuff set up upstream, but I won't ever know to do it because
the new stuff goes right into the old group.   Are you  going to send
me advance mail every  time you  create one  of these  monsters?  And
everyone else affected?  

>The network can be viewed as society undergoing evolution, and those
>elements of the society that don't adapt to the changes will cease to
>be an effective part of that society. 

>communication by computer. Sites that don't update will eventually be
>left in the dust (although at the current pace, this takes years).

Admirable attitude.  How about I show  similar concern  for my fellow
man by shoving all this stuff back out  onto the  net in  the group I
recieve  it  in.    Thats  mod.computers.*  ->  mod.computers.vax and
mod.protocols.* in mod.protocols.tcp-ip.  Note that this would happen
automatically If I had more  than one  notes feed,  and probably will
when it hits someone who does have multiple feeds and is otherwise in
my situation.  

IT ISN'T THAT DAMNED HARD TO THINK OF NAMES THAT ARE UNIQUE TO 14
CHARACTERS!!! You have made the unilateral decision to screw a lot
of people. WHY? Does it offend your sensibilities that greatly to
have names that are unique to 14 characters? It is an easy problem
to fix, and only your unwillingness to do so makes it a problem at
all! 

Terry Poot
Nathan D. Maier Consulting Engineers
(214)739-4741
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