Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site mit-eddie.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!bonnie!akgua!whuxlm!harpo!decvax!ucbvax!ucdavis!lll-crg!seismo!harvard!think!mit-eddie!nessus From: nessus@mit-eddie.UUCP (Doug Alan) Newsgroups: net.music Subject: The Wall Message-ID: <198@mit-eddie.UUCP> Date: Fri, 25-Oct-85 04:56:42 EST Article-I.D.: mit-eddi.198 Posted: Fri Oct 25 04:56:42 1985 Date-Received: Mon, 28-Oct-85 03:46:45 EST References: <1143@sphinx.UChicago.UUCP> <5602@fortune.UUCP> Organization: MIT, Cambridge, MA Lines: 54 Keywords: self-indulgent whining, divorce > From: rlr@pyuxd.UUCP (Rich Rosen) > Not to flame you, Paul (I agree with your rebuttal to Palena > wholeheartedly), but although I've liked some of the music from "The > Wall", I can't help but think that as a whole it is a ridiculously > self-indulgent egotistical whining exercise on the part of Roger > Waters. Hey! You're maligning here the album that made me realize that there is other music in the world besides The Beatles and the soundtrack to "Hair". I can even get Kate Bush to back me up. (Everyone here would respect her opinion, right? :-j) She said that after she heard "The Wall" she almost couldn't write music again, because she thought at the time that it said "everything there is to say". In any case, perhaps "The Wall" is "rediculously self-indulgent egotistical whining"? But so? A lot of his problems are universal, and he doesn't endlessly repeat one certain complaint or anything. He criticises just about everything, and I agree with him on most of them too. He puts it all wonderfully poetically, and the music is incredibly atmospheric. "The Wall" is a masterpiece of musical imagery. > I recall reading his insistence at the time of the recording of "The > Wall" that HE *was* Pink Floyd, that the band was his ideas, his > vision, his music. Well everyone knows that Roger Waters is a complete asshole, but that doesn't mean he doesn't make good music. Besides, by the time of "The Wall", Pink Floyd *was* Roger Waters. Richard Wright wasn't doing anything anymore. Nick Mason never did a whole lot, and David Gilmour only does good work when he's collaborating with geniuses (like Roger Waters or Roy Harper, and then he can be amazingly good) -- his solo stuff is pretty medicore. (Roy Harper has said that David Gilmour was the musical heart of the band, but I don't believe it.) > Didn't he go through a divorce around this time? I dunno. One might think so from the movie.... > I ask because two of the biggest "stars" of the moment, Phil Collins > and Sting, bolstered their careers (and found something to write about > endlessly) as a result of divorce, and seem to fit into that same > category. I don't think it's the same because Roger Waters didn't write about that any more than any of the other issues that are themes on the album. "All in all it was Just another brick in The Wall" Doug Alan nessus@mit-eddie.UUCP (or ARPA)