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From: dollas@uiucdcsb.CS.UIUC.EDU
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Subject: Re: Apo Taki Mercouri
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Date: Thu, 14-Nov-85 00:08:00 EST
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Nf-From: uiucdcsb.CS.UIUC.EDU!dollas    Nov  7 23:08:00 1985


   Den thelo na sas kouraso synadelfoi, alla mia kai i syzitisi prohoraei, 
kai malista paragogika kata tin gnomi mou, thelo na prostheso ena akomi
thema. Kat' arhin symfono me tis apopseis to synadelfou Taki Merkouri.
Yparhei omos ena lepto thema pou polyplokopoiei tin katastasi: o kratikos
programmatismos. Einai kathara thema tis kyvernisis (kai tis opoiasdipote
kyvernisis) na kathorizei antikeimenikous stohous. Den ehei simasia an 
yparhoun epistimones pou na efarmozoun robotics an i kyvernisi (gia 
opoiousdipote logous) apofasisei oti den tha dosei varytita ston tomea.
Den kritikaro ta trehonta shedia, kai den ta xero se megali ektasi, alla
apo auta pou xero, sympaireno oti yparhoun anthropoi pou apofasizoun horis na
polykatalavainoun apo tehnologia. An gi' auto ftaine oi symvouloi to
provlima synehizei na yparhei. 
   Yparhei kai i alli apopsi. Se syntomi syzitisi pou eiha me ton Manoli
Katevaini to kalokairi stin Kriti, proteine oti isos menei se mas tous
epistimones na kathorisoume ti einai efikto kai ti ohi, oste na prohorisoume
telos panton. Den analyo tis apopseis tou perissotero, giati einai o idios
sto network kai mporei na to kanei kalytera apo mena (an den katalava kala
tis apopseis tou stin syzitisi ekeini -itan arga allos te- zito sygnomi).
Simantiko einai pos oi dyo vasikes apopseis einai:
   (a) O kathorismos kratikou programmatismou einai thema politiko kai 
       prepei na kathoristei apo tin kyvernisi, alla i efarmogi tou peftei 
       stous epistimones.
   (b) Oi epistimones na odigisoun tin tehnologiki exelixi stin Ellada,
       mia kai autoi tha tin pragmatopoiisoun.
   Telika to thema den einai toso aplo. Oi epistimones mporei na ehoun ton
altrouismo alla auto den einai  arketo. Apo tin alli meria, kai oi politikoi
theloun na voithisoun tin hora, alla kai auto den einai arketo.
   O syshetismos tou thematos  autou me auta pou syzitame einai o exis: an
i kyvernisi thelei epistimones se, as poume robotics, yparhei i endeixi oti
otan autoi meta apo x hronia tha  apofoitisoun tha einai anagaioi kai 
hrisimoi? Yparhei i endeixi oti otan autoi tha zitisoun orismenes parohes
oste na katorthosoun auto pou tous ziteitai na kanoun, tha vroun to
kratos voitho? Telos, yparhei i endeixi oti to idio to kratos tha kathorisei
ek ton proteron krtiria oste oi programmatismoi na epitheuhthoun (oste na
apoeuhthei spatali hrimaton kai dynamikou)?
   Me tetoies erotiseis, pou den apantiontai eukola, pos einai dynaton na
kanei  kaneis apofasi karrieras (dil.  apasholisis gia oli tin zoi tou) 
epeidi 'hreiazontai epistimones se H/Y' ????????????
   Opos eipa, symono me tis apopseis tou synadelfou Merkouri. Se proigoumeno
keimeno egrapsa tis apopseis mou gia to arthro tou synadelfou Dimitriadi.
Kathos i syzitisi  ginetai poly endiaferousa, elpizo na antallahthoun  
apopseis kai  gia ta erotimata pou evala. Thelontas na kano dimiourgiki
syzitisi, kleino me tis apopseis mou stis erotiseis pou o idios evala:
   Nomizo oti o kathorismos stohon einai politiko thema, alla otan oi
politikoi pairnoun apofaseis horis na katalavainoun tin tehniki ypodomi
einai poly pithanon na ta thalassosoun. Ara i lysi vrisketai se politikous
pou, xerontas tis anages tou topou, alla katalavainontas tin aneparkeia
ton tehnikon tous gnoseon, *syzitoun* me epistimones (kai ohi mono enan
i dyo giati auto mporei na dimiourgisei biased sample), katalavainoun
ti mporei kai ti den mporei na ginei, ti tha kostisei (se hrimata, hrono,
emyuho uliko), kai *tote mono* apofasizoun. Katopin, menoun synepeis (sta
oria tou logikou) stous vasikous stohous, oste na tous petyhoun. Oso  gia
to an auto ginetai i tha ginei stin Ellada, nomizo oti hreiazetai poli
veltiosi gia na fthasoume os ekei, kai axizei na prospathisoume oloi gi'
auto.
   Nomizo to parakana se megethos, kai elpizo na min sas kourasa poly.

   Filika,

   Apostolos Dollas
   Dept. of Comp. Science, U. of Illinois
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