Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/5/84; site sjuvax.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!allegra!princeton!astrovax!sjuvax!kirsch From: kirsch@sjuvax.UUCP (P. Kirsch) Newsgroups: net.music Subject: Re: Finally: The top n album list Message-ID: <2476@sjuvax.UUCP> Date: Mon, 28-Oct-85 17:42:39 EST Article-I.D.: sjuvax.2476 Posted: Mon Oct 28 17:42:39 1985 Date-Received: Sat, 2-Nov-85 00:18:17 EST References: <1143@sphinx.UChicago.UUCP> <5602@fortune.UUCP> Reply-To: kirsch@sjuvax.UUCP (P. Kirsch) Organization: St. Joseph's University, Phila. PA. Lines: 62 Keywords: self-indulgent whining, divorce Summary: In article <1949@pyuxd.UUCP> rlr@pyuxd.UUCP (Rich Rosen) writes: >>> I refuse (with three R's) to believe that "Who's Next" >>> or any album by our favorite net.star could outrank Led >>> Zeppelin IV.Consequently I challenge the results of this sur- >>> vey. [PALENA] > >> You don't believe it Larry?? What would you do if I told you that I don't >> even like Led Zep IV that much?? Why is The Wall "history's stupidest >> concept album?? Because it's the true story of Roger Water's life?? Maybe >> you don't like depressing music but I happen to thrive on it and I think >> that the Wall is an incredible album. [PAUL KIRSCH] > >Not to flame you, Paul (I agree with your rebuttal to Palena wholeheartedly), >but although I've liked some of the music from "The Wall", I can't help but >think that as a whole it is a ridiculously self-indulgent egotistical >whining exercise on the part of Roger Waters. I recall reading his >insistence at the time of the recording of "The Wall" that HE *was* Pink >Floyd, that the band was his ideas, his vision, his music. The whole theme and >content seemed symptomatic of the whiny "singer-songwriter" motif wherein >the singer talks about his incredible problems in life and blames them >all on the other people around him (often MOTOS's). (Reminds me a bit >of the ethic in John Parr's "Naughty Naughty" video---when someone doesn't >do what I want, they're at fault, and a happy ending would have them "giving >in" in the end; just one example from MTV.) > >Didn't he go through a divorce around this time? I ask because two of the >biggest "stars" of the moment, Phil Collins and Sting, bolstered their careers >(and found something to write about endlessly) as a result of divorce, and >seem to fit into that same category. Sting recanted "Every Little Thing She >Does Is Magic" with "Every Breath You Take" (both about his ex-wife). He >later claimed that "If You Love Someone Set Them Free" was his own answer to >"EBYT". Yet if you think about it, he wasn't offering to "set free" the one >he had been watching who belonged to him in "EBYT", he was demanding that HE >be set free! Not to mention "Fortress Around Your Heart"... (OK, I won't >mention it.) > >I digress... >-- >"iY AHORA, INFORMACION INTERESANTE ACERCA DE... LA LLAMA!" > Rich Rosen ihnp4!pyuxd!rlr Yes Rich, he did go thru a rather brutal divorce. I would have to agree with you that the album is full of whiny depressing vocals but I still love it. "Nobody Home" is one of my favorite songs on the album. I also like the Wall for the incredible guitar work also--I've always been a fan of Gilmour's searing minor key leads. I know a lot of people who agree with you Rich but I like most whining/moaning vocals a lot (For eg., Joy Division is my favorite band) -- Another wunnerful letter from the semi-intelligent rotting brain of: Paul Kirsch St. Joseph's University Philadelphia, Pa { astrovax | allegra | bpa | burdvax } !sjuvax!kirsch Warning: Objects in Terminal Room are Closer than they Appear...