Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site mit-hector.UUCP Path: utzoo!lsuc!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!unc!mcnc!philabs!cmcl2!harvard!think!mit-eddie!mit-hector!martillo From: martillo@mit-hector.UUCP (Yakim Martillo) Newsgroups: net.politics,net.religion.jewish,net.nlang.india Subject: Re: Middle East, Oil and the costs of Militarism Message-ID: <138@mit-hector.UUCP> Date: Sat, 9-Nov-85 10:38:04 EST Article-I.D.: mit-hect.138 Posted: Sat Nov 9 10:38:04 1985 Date-Received: Sun, 10-Nov-85 19:47:49 EST References: <460@mhuxm.UUCP> <740@whuxl.UUCP> <10822@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> Reply-To: joachim@mit-hector.UUCP (Joachim Carlo Santos Martillo-Ajami) Organization: MIT Project Athena Lines: 41 Xref: lsuc net.politics:1918 net.religion.jewish:1521 net.nlang.india:396 Summary: Muslims over the past millenium have subjected non-Muslims under their rule to systematic humiliation and degradation which are mandated by all schools of Islamic jurisprudence. Further the contempt which Islam encourages Muslims to feel toward non-Muslims has caused periodic persecution and pogroms directed at non-Muslims in all corners of the Islamic world. In the previous century, the only decent places in the Muslim world to be a non-Muslim were those lands most strongly under European (or Chinese or Hindu) domination. Subjugation and conquest of Muslim lands by Europeans or other non-Muslims is therefore from the standpoint of the oppressed peoples of the world a progressive act. In the case of Israel, most of the Jews in this nation have origins in the Islamic regions least under the domination or influence of Europeans, Chinese or Hindus. Therefore the Israeli population has a long history of humiliation, degradation and persecution at the hands of barbaric Islamic overlords. Legitimately Jews may view the PLO and all attacks by Muslims upon Jews as part of the continuum and the modern expression of traditional Islamic Jew-baiting. Further, Islamic nations periodically declare war on Israel and threaten the Jews with anihilation. Moreover, no Islamic political, intellectual or religious leader has ever conceded that the mandated Islamic treatment of non-Muslims is a reprehensible and wrong way of dealing with non-Muslims and that just perhaps non-Muslims, who have been or are under Islamic subjugation, might have some legitimate grievances against the Islamic world and that they might have some legitimate claims for compenstation for Islamic mistreatment. In fact, in no country ruled by Muslims are non-Muslims treated on terms of mutual respect and equality by the dominant Muslims (and I have lived in Turkey and Tunisia). Until Muslims renounce sleazeball Islam and Muslims change there scuzz attitudes toward non-Muslims, Israel, India, Singapur, the Soviet Union, China, Yugoslavia and other nations in similar situation have a legitimate right and obligation to their non-Muslim populations to suppress Muslims under their control. The removal of territory from Islamic control is therefore a positive achievement for the good of all humanity and an act of which any nation should be proud.