Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: Notesfiles $Revision: 1.7.0.10 $; site ndm20 Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!mhuxn!ihnp4!inuxc!pur-ee!uiucdcs!convex!ndm20!tp From: tp@ndm20 Newsgroups: net.followup Subject: Re: Unix, Unixpeople, Usenix - from a n Message-ID: <400004@ndm20> Date: Tue, 29-Oct-85 07:16:00 EST Article-I.D.: ndm20.400004 Posted: Tue Oct 29 07:16:00 1985 Date-Received: Sun, 10-Nov-85 06:58:29 EST References: <96@tekadg.UUCP> Lines: 31 Nf-ID: #R:tekadg.UUCP:-9600:ndm20:400004:000:1447 Nf-From: ndm20!tp Oct 29 06:16:00 1985 >>Unix may have its problems, but I'd rather wander through the man pages, >>documentation and (gasp!) the source code, rather than look through 100 But what if you don't have the sources? I don't, and I certainly can't justify the price of them for my site. Better documentation IS needed. >>IBM manuals trying to find out what IEFBR14 means. >How about the system messages manual ? It lists them in order. You just illustrated one of the problems with IBM. I doubt you will find IEFBR14 in the system messages manual, because it is a program. Sure looks like an error code doesn't it? It happens to be one of the most important and useful programs on an IBM - it does absolutely nothing! I think this alone says something about IBM. (You see BR 14 is the IBM return instruction ... Who knows or cares what IEF is (some sort of facility code I believe)). IBM uses this program a lot because JCL can't actually do anything without running a program, even if the program does nothing. Want to delete a file? Set up your DD cards so the file is deleted on program exit, and then run IEFBR14! What could be simpler or more intuitive? Who needs a delete file command when there is such an obviously superior method available? Terry Poot Nathan D. Maier Consulting Engineers (214)739-4741 Usenet: ...!{allegra|ihnp4}!convex!smu!ndm20!tp CSNET: ndm20!tp@smu ARPA: ndm20!tp%smu@csnet-relay.ARPA