Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site lsuc.UUCP Path: utzoo!lsuc!dave From: dave@lsuc.UUCP (David Sherman) Newsgroups: net.religion.jewish Subject: Re: Women's participation (MCP ?) Message-ID: <896@lsuc.UUCP> Date: Mon, 4-Nov-85 20:27:12 EST Article-I.D.: lsuc.896 Posted: Mon Nov 4 20:27:12 1985 Date-Received: Mon, 4-Nov-85 20:48:24 EST References: <418@primesun.uucp> <496@ittvax.ATC.ITT.UUCP> <364@mhuxi.UUCP> <503@ittvax.ATC.ITT.UUCP> <366@mhuxi.UUCP> Reply-To: dave@lsuc.UUCP (David Sherman) Organization: Law Society of Upper Canada, Toronto Lines: 41 In article <366@mhuxi.UUCP> dsg@mhuxi.UUCP (David S. Green) writes: >> At the present time, women are not obligated to perform mitzvot that are >> fixed in time, such as praying with a minyon. ASSUME that this restriction >> is lifted and they must pray with a minyon. It is the first Shabbat after >> the restriction is lifted and it is time to go. But, there is a baby >> who can not walk. If the family can not afford or find a baby sitter >> what should they do? Should they carry the baby (and everything that goes with >> one!) to services and break the rule that one can not carry on Shabbat? > >Assuming the family is as frum as you would like to believe, they would of >course live in an area with an "Eruv" and therefore be quite able to >wheel the baby. Not necessarily true. Many cities do not have eruvin. And in many cities which do, there are groups within the community who choose not to honour it. (In Toronto, the Lubavitch community does not carry on Shabbos, for a combination of reasons which include technical questions about the validity of the eruv and the issue of "chinuch", teaching children about the laws against carrying on Shabbos, particularly where the eruv is not obvious to everyone.) >> Most Orthodox men pray with a minyon on Shabbat if they are able to >> do so. > >Before I say "bullfeathers" to the above statement, one must define >orthodox; something *I* am not about to do. It has been my experience >that most members of orthodox shuls in the NY-tristate area attend >services twice per year, at best. I dislike labels such as "Orthodox". How about Shomer Shabbos? That's reasonably easy to define. I would say it's quite true that most men who are Shomer Shabbos try to daven with a minyan on Shabbos. This is not to say that I disagree with everything in *. Green's article. Dave Sherman Toronto -- { ihnp4!utzoo pesnta utcs hcr decvax!utcsri } !lsuc!dave