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From: fair@ucbarpa.BERKELEY.EDU (Erik E. &)
Newsgroups: net.news.group
Subject: Re: Reform net.internat
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Date: Sun, 27-Oct-85 14:14:04 EST
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In article <629@ecsvax.UUCP> bch@ecsvax.UUCP (Byron C. Howes) writes:
> 
> There seems to be the myth lying around that all newsgroups have gone
> through some form of democratic voting process to be created.  This
> isn't the case.  Historically, newsgroups have been *legitimately* been
> created by mandate of usenix or some subgroup of usenix withough having
> been subjected to a network vote.  If anyone decided, it was a few people
> at a small meeting.

This is absolutely, uncategorically false. Cite an example, if you can.

> net.internat was created by mandate of EUNET.  I have no problem with this,
> and I think declaring it an illegal group is an exceptionally parochial thing
> to do.  Perhaps there should have been private discussion as to the name
> of net.internet among the netgods, but the group itself has sufficient 
> legitimacy by virtue of EUNET sponsorship to bypass the voting procedure.

No newsgroup creation or deletion should be excepted from the usual
consensus building procedure.

> I also refuse to honor the rmgroup.  Were I on EUNET I would by highly
> offended by Spaf's actions.

You should be offended by the high handed manner in which the EUUG presumes
to dictate to the USENET. USENIX has never done so.

	Erik E. Fair	ucbvax!fair	fair@ucbarpa.BERKELEY.EDU