Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site mecc.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!cbosgd!ihnp4!stolaf!umn-cs!mmm!dicomed!mecc!sewilco From: sewilco@mecc.UUCP (Scot E. Wilcoxon) Newsgroups: net.misc Subject: Re: Joseph Newman's Energy Machine Message-ID: <369@mecc.UUCP> Date: Wed, 30-Oct-85 10:54:16 EST Article-I.D.: mecc.369 Posted: Wed Oct 30 10:54:16 1985 Date-Received: Fri, 8-Nov-85 22:05:24 EST References: <173@tulane.UUCP> <174@tulane.UUCP> <330@bcsaic.UUCP> <387@aum.UUCP> <1453@teddy.UUCP> Reply-To: sewilco@mecc.UUCP (Scot E. Wilcoxon) Distribution: na Organization: MN Ed Comp Corp, St. Paul, MN Lines: 47 Keywords: patent secret publication Summary: Information, please, not endless discussion In article <1453@teddy.UUCP> rdp@teddy.UUCP (Richard D. Pierce) writes: >In article <387@aum.UUCP> freed@aum.UUCP (Erik Freed) writes: >>It seems to me that in the interest of *real* scientific objectivity that >>anyone who claims it to be a hoax should be able to back that claim up with >>scientific evidence. Scientific objectivity doesn't require that people have no opinion. An opinion (hypothesis) can't change experimental results. Scientific objectivity requires a willingness to throw away or modify an opinion (hypothesis) when experimental evidence conflicts with it. >> It seems reasonable that Mr Newman want the protection >>of a patent before subjecting his invention to detailed public scrutiny. Mr Newman has applied for a patent, so he already has invited public scrutiny. Many people are curious why he hasn't allowed it in more detail. PUBLICATION OF IDEAS DOES NOT AFFECT A PATENT APPLICATION, unless the publication is done more than a year before the patent is applied for. PUBLIC SCRUTINY IS REQUIRED FOR PATENTS. After a patent is issued, it is published. There are no secrets in a patent. Mr Newman must be aware of both the above. I learned them after a couple of hours reading. From a book in my school library. In seventh grade. Mr. Newman has already applied for his patent(s), so he could have printed construction drawings in his book. Independent construction of a working generator would rule out hidden mechanisms. I'll be convinced when two major establishments have their own machines working. >>I am kind of ashamed of the lack of *open-minded* scientific curiosity dis- >>played on this net over a fairly interesting phenomona. *WHETHER OR NOT* it >>is a hoax. Flames on everyone! Magical apparatus is also fairly interesting, but should be presented as such. If you want scientific curiosity, post construction instructions in net.research and help people to make motors work. Oh, if you find out it is a hoax make sure to let us know. We'll be interested. -- Scot E. Wilcoxon Minn. Ed. Comp. Corp. circadia!mecc!sewilco 45 03 N / 93 15 W (612)481-3507 {ihnp4,uwvax}!dicomed!mecc!sewilco