Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/5/84; site scirtp.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!bonnie!akgua!mcnc!rti-sel!scirtp!dfh From: dfh@scirtp.UUCP (David F. Hinnant) Newsgroups: net.news,net.news.group Subject: Re: Fear and Loathing on the Clouds Message-ID: <534@scirtp.UUCP> Date: Wed, 30-Oct-85 23:45:20 EST Article-I.D.: scirtp.534 Posted: Wed Oct 30 23:45:20 1985 Date-Received: Sat, 2-Nov-85 06:17:29 EST References: <614@h-sc1.UUCP> <1817@hao.UUCP> <326@pedsgd.UUCP> <10819@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> <641@ecsvax.UUCP> Organization: SCI Systems, Research Triangle Park, NC Lines: 40 Xref: watmath net.news:4207 net.news.group:4145 > In article <10819@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> fair@ucbarpa.BERKELEY.EDU (Erik E. &) writes: > >Let's get something straight: while the USENET has been discussed at > >BOF meetings at the various USENIX Conferences, there has NEVER been an > >action taken on the network with out the usual procedure of building > >consensus on the network itself. > > Horsepuckey, Eric! I was around when mod.movies, mod.motss, mod.singles > and a few other mod.... groups were created (H*ll, I was moderator of > mod.movies.) There wasn't any vote taken, no consensus gathered, etc. > > How about net.announce, or net.announce.newusers? Anyone remember a > consensus gathered on those? Sorry, I don't buy it. We're trying > to rewrite history to justify our own actions. > -- > > Byron Howes > System Manager -- NCECS > ...!{decvax,akgua}!mcnc!ecsvax!bch Bullwinkle Byron! If you're going to use an example, use a relevant one. I don't think the stork created net.announce overnight. I remember some discussion, though not a whole lot. Why? Net.announce.newusers? Who on the the net would object to a newsgroup that would keep verbage out of other groups? Besides, who reads net.announce.newusers on a regular basis? Net.announce was created (as I remember after some discussion) to clean up net.general (which didn't work). And I presume that *poof* mod.movies was created by an unknown net god and spaketh thus "Hey, who wants to be moderator of this neat group?" Eric is generally right. By and large most new groups were created after a concensus was obtained. A concensus should be obtained before those groups are deleted. -- David Hinnant SCI Systems, Inc. {decvax, akgua}!mcnc!rti-sel!scirtp!dfh