Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/12/84; site aero.ARPA Path: utzoo!linus!philabs!prls!amdimage!amdcad!decwrl!Glacier!oliveb!hplabs!sdcrdcf!trwrb!aero!kremen From: kremen@aero.ARPA (Gary Kremen ) Newsgroups: net.flame Subject: Noble arab brothers and sisters (strong language) Message-ID: <521@aero.ARPA> Date: Wed, 30-Oct-85 14:59:51 EST Article-I.D.: aero.521 Posted: Wed Oct 30 14:59:51 1985 Date-Received: Sun, 3-Nov-85 15:17:30 EST References: Upon request Reply-To: kremen@aero.UUCP (Gary Kremen (5731)) Organization: The Aerospace Corp., El Segundo, CA Lines: 50 Keywords: cultures, arabs, sand >ellis@spar.UUCP (Michael Ellis) babbles: > Ken, surely you are aware that Saudi Arabia, the traditional center of > Arabic and Islamic culture, has long been one of America's strongest > allies. During the most dangerous periods in recent history, the > Saudis were a moderating force! What unmitigated bullshit. The only reason we are allies with the arabs, and Saudi Arabia in particular, is their oil. Since the world economy is and will be for many years, be petroleum-based and the Arabs possess it, we have good geo-political reasons for an alliance. Its not like we have common ideals and beliefs (as in democracy, etc.). Saudi Arabia is not the traditional center of arabic and islamic culture. The center of arabic and islamic culture has changed many times in the past and will most likely change again. Usually, in a given time period, the arab entity bitching the loudest is the center of arab and islamic "culture". Lets briefly discuss this so-called culture. Which part of arab and islamic culture to discuss? The part that cuts off the ears and noses of petty criminals or the part that treats their women as shit? Yes, of course they are a moderating force. Compared to Quaddaffi's Libya or Komanhi's Iran (among others) Saudi Arabians are a moderating force. Compared to almost any other ally... During other dangerous periods in recent history (WW II) they were a moderating force - to the Nazis - who the Saudis supported feverishly) > You may not like the terrorist techniques employed by certain groups > that just happen to be part of the Arabic culture. Fine -- neither do I > -- we agree. Do you similarly hate any group because you disapprove of > the actions of a few? That is called prejudice -- an ugly, hateful, and > malignant evil that is the very cause of the problems of today. And YOU > are spreading it around. These methods are an intergal part of any islamic culture. Just read the Koran. (FLAME). We are not talking about the actions of a few; we are talking about the actions and beliefs of the majority. > Western culture has for too long held a contemptuous attitude for our > noble Arabic brothers and sisters. You are brainwashed by the stupidity > of our ancestors. Noble brothers and sisters? Give us all a break!!! -- Name: Gary Kremen Address 1: kremen@aerospace.ARPA Address 2: {sdcdcf,trwba,randvax}!aero!kremen Quote:"Everybody loves to see justice done...on someone else" - Bruce Cockburn Theory: "Computers suck, but they pay the bills" Contrapositive: "I love LA and so should you" Disclaimer 1: "The company does not know what I am doing" Disclaimer 2: "Both the company and I have great lawyers"