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From: mom@sfmag.UUCP (M.Modig)
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Subject: Re: BIG TEN VS PAC TEN (*** FLAME!!! ***)
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Date: Tue, 5-Nov-85 21:21:07 EST
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> 
> Obviously this poor deluded fool would prefer to antagonize than to be
> informative.  As I read and write to this notesfile for a purpose, let's
> shatter some myths:
> 
> The Big Ten last won the Rose Bowl in the mid seventies (I don't remember the
> exact year), so it hasn't been all that long.

I believe the Big Ten has won a game in the 80's; I believe
Washington was the victim, but I'm not sure.

> Too, despite the last few
> years of a consecutive Pac 10 streak, the Big Ten still leads in career 
> victories in the Rose Bowl.  NOW Who's Zooming Who?

Big deal.  The Big Ten outclassed the Pac-10 then, now the balance
has shifted the other way, methinks.

> Too, the records of the
> Pac 10 rep in the Rose Bowl has been worse than the record of the Big Ten rep
> for the last five years!  The Big Ten team goes in expecting it to be easy,
> and it hasn't been.  Once reason is hhome field advantage.  For the last five
> years, the Pac 10 rep in the Rose Bowl has been USC or UCLA, both really close
> to the Rose Bowl site.

Washington has also played in several games lately-- I think at
least once in the last five years, and has won most of those games. 
So I don't see a home field advantage argument always ringing true. 
Besides, whether you like it or not, the biggest reason for Pac 10
dominance is that the Pac 10 simply has better teams.  What does
your point about records show?  The Pac 10 may be a bit better
balanced conference at this point.

> I know for a fact that the Big Ten does NOT receive 
> the selling rights to half of the seats in the stadium (a third if we're lucky,
> usually a fourth to a sixth of them), so the majority of spectators are Pac 10
> fans.

Prove it!! I know for a fact that the Pac 10 receives no more
tickets than the Big 10 does.  If you think the Big 10 is
underrepresented, you should tour the parking lot before the game
and see all of the motor homes with Midwest plates on them.  Amazing!!

> And since that d*mn stadium is like an echo chamber, crowd noise is a
> big factor.  If the Pac 10 fans would be good sportsman and let the teams
> themselves battle the game, perhaps the Pac 10 would not have enjoyed its
> "dynasty" of Rose Bowl victories in the last few years.  At least the Big Ten
> can say that they had huge streaks of consecutive victories at the Rose Bowl
> when good and proper sportsmanship was in vogue, so the Big Ten team beat the
> Pac 10'er fair and square.  I doubt the same thing can be said of the Pac 10
> presently.

Come on, be real.  Fans are part of the sport.  Good sportsmanship?
This is just sour grapes.  Having attended two Rose Bowl games in
person, I can testify there is just about as much crowd noise for the
Big 10 representative as there is for the Pac 10 representative. 
Face it, your teams got beat by better teams.  Blaming it on the
fans is just ridiculous.  If the Big 10 teams feel they can just
show up and win, they've got another thing coming.

Mark Modig
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