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From: steinber@topaz.RUTGERS.EDU (Louis Steinberg)
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Subject: Re: Middle East, Oil and the costs of Militarism
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Date: Mon, 4-Nov-85 17:29:39 EST
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> From: sweillam@uw-june (Hisham Sweillam @ U of Washington Computer Science)
>
> [...] the arabs, which have been living
> for centruries in Palestine along with jews that have chosen not to abandon
> Palestine.

Jews did not "choose" to leave Judea.  They were forcibly expelled by
the Imperial Roman military, who then renamed the area "Palestine" to
wipe out any association between the country and Jews.  Thus,

*** "Palestine", not Israel, is the creation of European Imperialism ***

If Blacks in South Africa gain the right to live legally in what are now
whites-only areas, would you refer to 
"the Afrikaaners, which have been living
 for centuries in Johannesburg along with those Blacks that have chosen not to 
 abandon Johannesburg"?

> Now, comes the state of Israel and kick the arabs out of their homes

False.  The arab refugees left because their leaders said "get out of the
way while we throw the Jews into the sea."

> and treat them as second (oops,
> it should be fourth, since the western jews come first then the eastern 
> jews then the falashas and then the arabs) class citizen

Of all the nerve!  Arab countries brutally mistreated the "eastern jews",
and did everything they could to keep the Ethiopian Jews starving in
refugee camps.  (A Sudanese official was recently executed for his role
in allowing the rescue of Ethiopian Jews.)  And you have the gall to
complain about how the "eastern" and Ethiopian Jews are being treated in
Israel?  Even the Arabs in Israel are better off materially and in terms of
personal and political freedom than the average citizen of any Arab country.
(They do have a problem in that they live in a country whose dominant culture
is not Arab, and that is under constant attack from other Arabs.)