Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/5/84; site tellab3.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!mhuxn!ihnp4!tellab1!tellab3!thoth From: thoth@tellab3.UUCP (Marcus Hall) Newsgroups: net.news.group,net.sources Subject: Cancel messages in net.sources Message-ID: <302@tellab3.UUCP> Date: Thu, 31-Oct-85 17:26:10 EST Article-I.D.: tellab3.302 Posted: Thu Oct 31 17:26:10 1985 Date-Received: Sun, 3-Nov-85 05:06:50 EST Reply-To: thoth@tellab2.UUCP (Marcus Hall) Organization: Tellabs, Inc., Lisle, IL Lines: 64 Xref: watmath net.news.group:4178 net.sources:3781 Summary: I just noticed something odd happeneing in net.sources. Lots of articles are being canceled. I don't know if this is something that has been going on for some time or what, but I wasn't aware of it before. I counted at least 40 cancels all with the following format: >Path: tellab1!ihnp4!mhuxn!mhuxr!ulysses!allegra!oliveb!think!ejb >From: ejb@think.ARPA (Erik Bailey) >Newsgroups: net.sources >Subject: cancel>Message-ID: >Date: 29 Oct 85 20:05:37 GMT >Date-Received: 31 Oct 85 20:39:39 GMT >Control: cancel >Distribution: net >Lines: 3 > >Lines: 1 > >Inappropriate news group > They all claimed to be from 40 different people, but they all were arriving one after the other and they all had 'Inappropriate news group' as text. The return paths look like this: tellab1!ihnp4!houxm!vax135!cornell!uw-beaver!tektronix!hplabs!oliveb!think!ejb tellab1!ihnp4!mhuxn!mhuxr!mhuxt!houxm!vax135!cornell!uw-beaver!tektronix! > hplabs!oliveb!ryan@LOCUS.UCLA.EDU tellab1!ihnp4!mhuxn!mhuxr!ulysses!allegra!oliveb!hpltca!marc tellab1!ihnp4!mhuxn!mhuxr!ulysses!allegra!oliveb!lanl!crs tellab1!ihnp4!mhuxn!mhuxr!ulysses!allegra!oliveb!hp-pcd!charles tellab1!ihnp4!mhuxn!mhuxr!ulysses!allegra!oliveb!haddock!stevel tellab1!ihnp4!mhuxn!mhuxr!ulysses!allegra!oliveb!ihlpg!jchvr tellab1!ihnp4!mhuxn!mhuxr!ulysses!allegra!oliveb!ukma!sean tellab1!ihnp4!mhuxn!mhuxr!ulysses!allegra!oliveb!3comvax!mikes (etc) The articles themselves weren't present, I guess they were deleted at some previous site. They cancel messages were obviously generated at oliveb and made to look like the poster of the article canceled the article. The news software is pretty easy to fool into believing that the original poster sent the cancel message. I would probably agree that the articles were posted to an 'Inappropriate news group'. There has been a lot (an awful lot) of noise on net.sources recently, but since I was unable to see the articles, I don't know that they were junk. I was of the opinion that the proper way to handle noise was to send mail to the poster of the offending article asking them to cancel their article or at least be a little more careful next time. I don't believe that I like the idea of somebody at oliveb taking it upon themselves to cancel the junk articles. I particularly take exception to the fact that this person has posed as the original authors of the articles when the cancelations were generated. This is forgery, isn't it? I don't like the noise in net.sources any more than anybody else. Net.sources is not supposed to be for carrying on discussions. However, I dislike censorship of net.* groups even more. marcus hall ..!ihnp4!tellab1!tellab2!thoth (no matter what this article's header says)