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From: mrh@cybvax0.UUCP (Mike Huybensz)
Newsgroups: net.religion
Subject: Re: Once more from the whirlwind
Message-ID: <813@cybvax0.UUCP>
Date: Wed, 6-Nov-85 17:43:21 EST
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Posted: Wed Nov  6 17:43:21 1985
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Reply-To: mrh@cybvax0.UUCP (Mike Huybensz)
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In article <2806@hplabsc.UUCP> brengle@hplabsc.UUCP (Tim Brengle) writes:
> Forgive me for jumping into the middle of what seems like a personal feud.

No feud.  Charlie and I enjoy it.  Feel welcome.  But we play rough....

> > I think I know the damager god better than you: I think you are misguided
> > by infatuation. [Mike Huybensz]
> 
> Conversely, I think that you are misguided by bitterness.
> 
> Now.  What was proved (or even accomplished) by either of those statements?
> Are either of us convinced?

Perhaps you didn't notice, but my point was a converse construction.  You
have now returned to the argument Charlie originally made.  I constructed
the converse (as a humorous insult) to show how unconvincing Charlie's
argument was.

> All [Charlie] was suggesting is that you (collectively) should be as open
> to God being good as you ask us to be about his being a damager-god.
> Come and look.  Visit with me and my family and see the happiness that
> comes totally from our love of the Lord.  And THEN judge.

I have looked.  The Christian God is evil.

> As I have tried to express before, How do you explain the loving touch of God
> that I feel every day?  How can He be the evil that you suppose of Him when
> I *personally* feel His loving touch?

Simple.  A mix of delusion, misinterpretation, and disinformation.

Just look at your own Bible, with the help of Tim Maroney's "Even If I
Did Believe" for the misinterpretation.

Try to explain to me your personal experiences that convince you of
God, and that God is good, and you will see by your inability that
you are illogical and deluded.

Look to the astonishing, bald-faced indoctrination that teaches you god-
whorshipers to interpret anything good as god and anything bad as Satan or
man.  That's disinformation.

Open your eyes to the misery in the world.  I'm happy for you that your
little world of family, church, and friends is great, but why do you say
your god is responsible for that and not for the misery in the world?
Not because of the "evidence" in the lying Bible, but because you've been
trained to, without thinking.

Now, I suppose you (and other believers) will perform the standard Christian
ritual of aversion, and exclaim "this person is bitter" (a conclusion based
on trained reflex rather than any factual analysis.)  Having categorized me
as "bitter", now you can safely (for your belief system) let anything I
say float in one ear and out the other.  None of what I'm saying is from
bitterness: it's from plain observation.
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Mike Huybensz		...decvax!genrad!mit-eddie!cybvax0!mrh