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From: dmcanzi@watdcsu.UUCP (David Canzi)
Newsgroups: net.religion,net.philosophy
Subject: Re: God, Goedel, Wittgenstein
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Date: Fri, 25-Oct-85 04:29:09 EST
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In article <613@spar.UUCP> ellis@spar.UUCP (Michael Ellis) writes:
>    I think Bob's notion of God as representing a higher level of truth than
>    can be verified within the system is very close to what mystics have
>    been saying for a long time. Mike, your objection is totally losing.  A
>    `higher truth' that includes all truths perceivable from within a system
>    as well as those only perceivable from without IS TOTALLY logical.

I have posted, separately, a proof that there is at least one true statement
that God doesn't know.

>    Revelation is the only way to percieve a `higher truth' -- one that is
>    not observable from the axioms yet established.  Normative assertions
>    (eg- It is wrong to gain enjoyment from the suffering of others), which
>    are required to establish ethics, are mundane examples of such `higher
>    truths'. They cannot be established from a logical empirical basis.

"Ethics" is a word we use to describe a process in which humans
evaluate the actions of themselves and others.  Given that the human
being performing these evaluations is a physical system, ethical
evaluation is a physical activity.  Rather than something "revealed",
I think ethics is a matter of neural "wiring" and past experience.
(Hardware & software, if you prefer.)
-- 
David Canzi		"Permission is not freedom."