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From: carnes@gargoyle.UUCP (Richard Carnes)
Newsgroups: net.philosophy
Subject: Re: Carnes shows how to make your opponent's position false: alter it
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Date: Mon, 4-Nov-85 16:58:25 EST
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Posted: Mon Nov  4 16:58:25 1985
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Reply-To: carnes@gargoyle.UUCP (Richard Carnes)
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Rich Rosen:

>Well, talk about vile dishonest manipulative rhetorical tricks!
>Carnes deliberately alters my article to capitalize "The Definition",
>as if to imply that I capitalized the words with some holy reverence.

Curses, foiled again!  Every time I try a dishonest manipulative
rhetorical trick, Rosen sees right through it.

>The definition I offer is the definition as contained in
>dictionaries, literature, etc.  

Once again Rich provides no evidence for this claim.  The "etc."
includes philosophy, right?  Will Rich please explain what he means
by "definition," since he uses the word so frequently?  What is The
Definition of "definition"?

>... your repeated assertions and manipulations
>show your ass-backwards way of thinking (redefine to get a
>conclusion, then accuse your opponent who uses an existing definition
>of doing that very thing) 

But this is precisely Rosen's technique:  redefine to get a
conclusion, then accuse one's opponent of doing that very thing, and
then accuse him of ass-backwardly accusing oneself of doing that very
thing.  In any case, Rosen has abandoned civility, if indeed he has
ever employed it; hence this is my last response to a Rosen article,
at least on this topic.
-- 
Richard Carnes, ihnp4!gargoyle!carnes