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From: bch@ecsvax.UUCP (Byron C. Howes)
Newsgroups: net.news,net.news.group
Subject: Re: Fear and Loathing on the Clouds
Message-ID: <689@ecsvax.UUCP>
Date: Mon, 4-Nov-85 13:20:45 EST
Article-I.D.: ecsvax.689
Posted: Mon Nov  4 13:20:45 1985
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References: <614@h-sc1.UUCP> <1817@hao.UUCP> <326@pedsgd.UUCP> <10819@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> <641@ecsvax.UUCP> <644@neuro1.UUCP>
Reply-To: bch@ecsvax.UUCP (Byron C. Howes)
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Summary: 

In article <644@neuro1.UUCP> sob@neuro1.UUCP (Stan Barber) writes:

>I believe the moderated newsgroups are not the same as unmoderated newgroups.
>This means that the same rules for creating unmoderated newsgroups DO NOT
>APPLY to moderated newsgroups. 

Well, in looking around I find the only thing even remotely resembling an
official document describing newsgroup creation is the "How to Read the
Network News" document distributed with news2.10.2.  It makes no mention
of differences in the creation of net. vs. mod. groups.  There is no
discussion at all in net.announce.newusers which, if memory serves, is
the repository of net.history.  Perhaps before we argue about the rules,
we ought to have some rules to argue about, eh?

>As I recall, the proceedure for a moderated group involves discussion in
>net.news.group and the willingness of someone to be a moderator (and/or
>a gateway). Perhaps someone could clarify these rules, but I am sure
>that mod groups are not the issue here. Please do not include items that
>do not belong.

I'll agree about the procedure in creating moderated newsgroups, but notice
that they are more strict than creating an unmoderated group.  Not only
must you have some sort of consensus that the group should be a group (and
not a mailing list) but you must find an agreeable moderator as well.
This is essentially a non-difference.  The procedure (undocumented) wasn't
followed anyway -- there was no discussion.

Eric's assertion, however, was that there was *never* a group created 
without discussion.  Patently an untrue assertion but then we're all getting
a bit heated.
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                                              Byron Howes
					System Manager -- NCECS
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