Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site nrcvax.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!allegra!mit-eddie!think!harvard!seismo!lll-crg!ucdavis!ucbvax!decvax!ittatc!dcdwest!sdcsvax!sdcrdcf!psivax!nrcvax!geoffb From: geoffb@nrcvax.UUCP (G. Geoffrey Baehr) Newsgroups: net.dcom Subject: Ethernet/Fiber Optic Repeaters Message-ID: <360@nrcvax.UUCP> Date: Thu, 24-Oct-85 14:56:10 EST Article-I.D.: nrcvax.360 Posted: Thu Oct 24 14:56:10 1985 Date-Received: Tue, 29-Oct-85 01:19:51 EST Reply-To: geoffb@nrcvax.UUCP (G. Geoffrey Baehr) Organization: Network Research Corp. Lines: 60 Keywords:repeater ethernet In response to the question raised here about Ethernet repeaters, specifically fiber-optic repeaters, I have some information to give. I. Fiber Optic Repeaters: Made by several manufacturers, I have seen Excelan's EXOS 1150 and Codenoll's units. Both have a link range of ~ 2 km max, you must use a standard transceiveras the input/output tap to the repeater unit. Siecor Inc also makes a fiber-optic repeater in the same class as the above. II. IR Laser Repeaters: Codenoll produces an IR Laser link ( 1 laser, modulator, demodulator)/per end with a useful range of about 10km. It offers full speed ( 10mbit/20mhz) operation,however it is affected by fog. The price as I recall is about $15k. It is intended primarily as a building to building link. III. Microwave. In short, no hope here. No manufacturer I have yet run across produces a microwave unit with sufficient bandwidth to support Ethernet full speed operations. We have tried General Electric GEMLINK's personally, good unit but too difficult to modify IF amplifiers to give sufficient bandwidth. Many unit available if you gateway down to < 1mbit . IV. Gateways. For building to building links, gateways are the answer. Telephone lines conditioned for 56kbit usage are cheap (?), and gateway units have reached a reliable state several years ago. HOWEVER a combined XNS (DECNET) and TCP gateway is still a nice dream.So.....If you want to gateway down to a slow speed link, gateway back out to another net , using XNS, you're in good shape. Any other combination is 'interesting'. V. Some notes: Reading my Ethernet Specs from Xerox and 802.3 specs, the maximum co-axial cable length permitted is ~ 500 meters, ie. loss cannot exceed 8.5db at 10Mhz. No variation in impedance > 3 ohms permitted . This is for 1 segment. Repeaters may be installed to increase the number of segments, however maximum round trip delay for any bit may not exceed 51.2 microsec. You would really need to know the velocity factor for the coax batch in use to get a max length for your entire net, also repeater induced delays. Fiber optic links offer very low propagation delays, somewhat secure physical nets and immunity from impulse problems, ie. if lightning hits, adios to the repeater but not the rest of the net. Note that the specs specifically recommend that the net not be at ground potential (conected to the building ground). It should be isolated from ground if at all possible. If necessary, one end ONLY may be grounded if building codes require it. Any other ground connections will virtually assure ground loops, unequal ground potentials and lots of problems. Hope this helps. "Any errors included are entirely the result of inadequate knowledge combined with excessive verbosity" -- Geoffrey Baehr - N6LXA Network Research Corp USENET - inhp4!nrcvax!geoffb ucbvax!calma!nrcvax!geoffb {sdcsvax,hplabs}!sdcrdcf!psivax!nrcvax!geoffb BELL - 805-485-2700 POST - 2380 N Rose Ave. Oxnard C.A. 93030 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------