Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site unc.unc.UUCP Path: utzoo!lsuc!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!unc!fsks From: fsks@unc.UUCP (Frank Silbermann) Newsgroups: net.politics,net.religion.jewish Subject: Re: Middle East, Oil and the costs of Militarism Message-ID: <558@unc.unc.UUCP> Date: Sat, 9-Nov-85 20:58:10 EST Article-I.D.: unc.558 Posted: Sat Nov 9 20:58:10 1985 Date-Received: Sun, 10-Nov-85 06:34:01 EST References: <460@mhuxm.UUCP> <740@whuxl.UUCP> <10822@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> Reply-To: fsks@unc.UUCP (Frank Silbermann) Organization: CS Dept, U. of N. Carolina, Chapel Hill Lines: 44 Xref: lsuc net.politics:1911 net.religion.jewish:1519 Summary: In article <39@uw-june> sweillam@uw-june (Hisham Sweillam) writes: > >According to Israeli statistics, the number of Arabs in Israel including >(the west bank and Gaza) are 45-50% of the population in Israel. >In a free, democratic, etc.. society a group with such percentage should have >enough power , at least for protecting its own members houses. >The fact is Arabs in the west bank and elsewhere are being evacuated >from their homes to make room for new settlements. >Probably, they have a freedom of speech, but for sure that's where their >freedom ends. You've hit upon a serious controversy in Israel -- Is the west bank and Gaza part of Israel, or not? So far, only Jerusalem has been officially annexed, and Arabs living there have been offered Israeli citizenship. Other Arabs living within the pre-1967 border have always had Israeli citzenship, along with the associated rights and privileges. Some (notably the Israeli Druze population) even serve in the Israeli army. Israelis haven't been able to agree about what to do with the Arabs living in the west bank and Gaza. Until a general settlement can be worked out, most Israelis would like to give them as much self-government as security requirements permit, but everytime a Palestinian leader decides to negotiate, PLO gorillas (mispelling intentional) assassinate him. The Israelis will not negotiate with the PLO, until the PLO stops teaching its soldiers terrorist tactics. At least the Syrians and Jordanians fight fair. >I agree that the Israeli society has more freedom than other middle-eastern >countries. But it's the same freedom that white people in South africa >enjoy. Arabs are not even considered citizens (may be not even humans by >some). This not a very good analogy. As mentioned above, many Arabs ARE citizens of Israel. As an aside, the speculation that some don't consider Arabs to be human is ludicrous. >The US gov. has been objecting to the Israeli policy of expanding >settlements in the west bank. > hisham... Many Israelis also object. Frank Silbermann