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From: cag@cuuxb.UUCP (C. Gerlach)
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Subject: Re: impending newsgroup cuts
Message-ID: <275@cuuxb.UUCP>
Date: Fri, 8-Nov-85 01:19:49 EST
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Posted: Fri Nov  8 01:19:49 1985
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Reply-To: cag@cuuxb.UUCP (Chuck Gerlach)
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Summary: 



Well, I think this has gone far enough.  I am getting tired of seeing this
discussion being carried out in parallel in 4 or 5 newsgroups.  Lets
get to the bottom of this and then move it to the appropriate newsgroup
so the rest of us can get on with our work.  

I would like to suggest that this discussion be changed from how to 
eliminate a newsgroup to the real problem of how sites can minimize the 
costs of being on the network.   The current discussion of network wide 
censorship is counter-productive and only aggravates the problem by greatly 
adding to the traffic on the network.  

The scope of this problem may be network wide but it remains one of
how each system controls its environment.  Network wide solutions for
individual site problems will not work since every site is different
and has unique problems.

It would appear that a better approach would be to examine the options 
each site has in managing its portion of the network (that is, the system 
itself and the links it has to its neighboring systems).  If it becomes 
apparent that sites can not control themselves, lets identify the tools 
needed by the site's network administrator and see what can be done to 
get the tools built. 

I have to believe that these issues are being discussed in the network
administration and management newsgroups.  Continued discussion in other
newsgroups of censorship and threatened network wide removal does 
little to foster rational thinking.  And misses the main issue.

Lets attack the real problem and stop arguing amongst ourselves.  Its
not a question of which groups have to go, but of network management
and control at the individual site level.

Now that I've said my piece, I apologize to anyone I may have offended.
And as usual these are my own thoughts.  No one else would want them.

					Chuck Gerlach
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