Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site burl.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!rcj From: rcj@burl.UUCP (Curtis Jackson) Newsgroups: net.news,net.news.group,net.flame Subject: Re: Fear and Loathing on the Clouds Message-ID: <905@burl.UUCP> Date: Fri, 25-Oct-85 18:27:34 EDT Article-I.D.: burl.905 Posted: Fri Oct 25 18:27:34 1985 Date-Received: Sat, 26-Oct-85 04:38:30 EDT References: <614@h-sc1.UUCP> <446@brl-sem.ARPA> Reply-To: rcj@burl.UUCP (Curtis Jackson) Distribution: net Organization: AT&T Technologies, Burlington NC Lines: 28 Xref: watmath net.news:4146 net.news.group:3981 net.flame:12493 Summary: Wrongo, buckaroo In article <446@brl-sem.ARPA> ron@brl-sem.ARPA (Ron Natalie) writes: >and other groups. If we do not fulfill our committment to not censor >the news, we risk losing it all. Hence we pass all the news along without >regard to content. At this point in USENET's evolution, if we \DO/ fulfill that 'committment' we are \guaranteed/ to lose it all. Get your head out of the sand -- we have sites out there with phone bills of over $100,000 a month (an extremely unusual and generous case, I'll admit). Over 2 years ago I dropped all news feeds except those I could contact on Cornet (AT&T internal corporate telephone network) due to management pressure. And we [were] "THE PHONE COMPANY"! After that, I started getting hassles for tying up the Cornet lines after 5pm when noone (at this location, anyway) is even here! My immediate supervisor stepped in and told them that it was a valuable part of our group's education and public source procurement. We've got to do something, and we're lucky to have the Spaf spearheading a lot of it. I don't agree with everything that he says/does (rmgroup of net.internat, for instance), but he is getting things moving in the right direction. I'd post all the letters that went around between us backbone admins and Spaf, but that article would be VERY large indeed -- the removal of net.bizarre in particular was NOT spur-of-the-moment and was NOT a Spaf-only phenomena. -- The MAD Programmer -- 919-228-3313 (Cornet 291) alias: Curtis Jackson ...![ ihnp4 ulysses cbosgd mgnetp ]!burl!rcj ...![ ihnp4 cbosgd akgua masscomp ]!clyde!rcj