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From: rlr@pyuxd.UUCP (Rich Rosen)
Newsgroups: net.religion.christian
Subject: Re: Presumptions
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Date: Wed, 6-Nov-85 23:58:06 EST
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>>What shall we say, then?  That God is unjust?  Not at all.  For he said to
>>Moses, "I will have mercy on whom I wish, I will take pity on whom I wish."
>>So then, it does not does not depend on what man wants or does, but only on
>>God's mercy.  [BRENGLE]

> Are you trying to tell me that anything God does is automatically good? If
> something is injust, it's not magically made just just because God does
> it. If God really does things of a type we would consider "unjust" if done
> by some other being, then God is evil. If you say that we cannot judge God,
> it works both ways--you can't judge him as evil, but you can't judge him as
> good either.  [KENNETH ARROMDEE]

>>For the scripture says to Pharaoh, "I made you king for this
>>very purpose, to use you to show my power, and to make my name known in all
>>the world."  So then, God has mercy on whom he wishes, and he makes stubborn
>>whom he wishes.

> If God really does what he wishes without regards for right and wrong, then
> I cannot consider him a being worthy of worship. 
> A clay pot is an unthinking object, and it is not right to do something to a
> thinking, living being just because it is right to do so to an object.
> God being able to do anything he wants to anyone he wants, without regard for
> conventional morals because anything he wants to do he automatically defines
> as good, is rich glory? Treating you like a clay pot is rich glory? I do not
> want to worship any being that treats me like a clay pot.

Bravo, Kenneth, for an excellent article!!
-- 
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						Rich Rosen   pyuxd!rlr