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From: barry@ames.UUCP (Kenn Barry)
Newsgroups: net.women
Subject: Re: Re: A flash from the (recent) past.
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Date: Tue, 22-Oct-85 13:41:22 EDT
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From Heather Emanuel (rayssd!hxe):
>Jerry says:
>> > > The Playboy Mensa pictorial . . . has finally appeared in this
>> > > month's issue. . . . I've _got_ to start going to more regional
>> > > gatherings.
>
>To which Jym replies (three cheers!):
>> > 	One would think that a member of Mensa - as you have
>> > announced yourself to be (in a rather roundabout way) - would have
>> > more sense than to pollute this newsgroup with such sentiments.
>> > 		<_Jym_>
>
>Which prompts Jeff to say:
>> Stop being such a prig. Just because you feel guilty about being interested
>> in pretty women is no reason to expect that others will have the same
>> problem.
>> 				Jeff Winslow
>
>Ooh, this makes me mad!!!!!  First, I'm surprised at you, Jeff.
>You're usually not like this.  Maybe you were kidding?
>
>On the assumption that you were serious: are you *crazy*?  Haven't
>you been listening AT ALL to the overwhelming sentiment of the
>postings in this group for the last two years?  This is net.women,
>started for discussions by and about women.  Most of the women who
>post or respond via personal mail to various posters have made it
>QUITE CLEAR that we view pornography as something that demeans us as
>a whole and offends us as individuals, NOT as "being interested in
>pretty women."  Even if you don't agree with that, and even if *Jym*
>doesn't agree with that, Jym's posting was pointing out that most of
>us *do* agree with that.  As such, I feel your attack on Jym was
>unwarranted.

	I think two points need to be addressed. First, reread the quote
from Jerry. As far as I can tell, all it does is to express a liking
for pretty women. It does not express *any* opinion on PLAYBOY, only
an interest in meeting the Mensa members who were featured in the article
in question. If an interest in pretty women make Jerry Hollombe a sexist,
I guess it's time for me to come out of the closet and declare myself
a sexist, too; it seems I meet the definition.
	As for the porn matter, you are assuming a lot. A variety of
opinions on the subject have been expressed in net.women, by both men
and women. If the women on this board have expressed near-universal
condemnation of PLAYBOY, I have failed to notice it.

>And by the way, as long as there are people who feel that not "being
>interested in pretty women" in pornographic magazines is a "problem"
>then I, as an individual woman, am going to be robbed of a little
>of my identity.

	No one (except you) has suggested that lack of interest in pictures
of naked women is a problem. *Please* read what you are responding to
carefully before posting. Neither Jerry Hollombe's article, nor Jeff
Winslow's, takes any stand on the propriety of magazines like PLAYBOY;
all they say is that they like pretty women. I have no idea of their
opinion of PLAYBOY and, unless they've expressed an opinion elsewhere,
neither do you or Mr Dyer.

-  From the Crow's Nest  -                      Kenn Barry
                                                NASA-Ames Research Center
                                                Moffett Field, CA
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