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From: dave@cylixd.UUCP (Dave Kirby)
Newsgroups: net.movies
Subject: Totally Bad Movies - The Final Chapter
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Date: Mon, 4-Nov-85 16:57:46 EST
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This is the long-awaited final posting on Totally Bad Movies. I
want to thank everyone who participated in this discussion; it has
given me somewhat of a celebrity status on this newsgroup, however
transient it was. I have been delightfully surprised at the wit and
eloquence of many of the submitters. The voluminous mail and various
postings have made very entertaining reading.

This discussion started way back on Sept. 24, in a response I made to
the following statement by Mark Leeper: "I have never seen a film (or
read a book) that was totally bad or totally good. I tend to weigh the
bad and good elements..." While I saw Mr. Leeper's point, I could not
resist the temptation to take his statement out of context and have some
fun with it. So I established some criteria for Totally Bad Movies, and
polled my colleagues at work to get a few starting nominations. (Of the
original nominations, only "Silent Night, Deadly Night" has survived.)
I then posted the nominations and the rules for nomination.

I had expected that I would get several nominations, post them, and 
then get several rebuttals; eventually, I figured that all nominations
would be cancelled out; I really didn't think there would be a movie that
somebody, somewhere on the net wouldn't see something good in. So I
fully expected the list to grow initially, and then reduce gradually back
down to zero, thus proving Mr. Leeper's original point and ending the
discussion.

Was I surprised! I got more and more nominations, and few rebuttals, and
the list grew quickly. By October 22 there were 43 nominations. I had
to reduce the list by insisting, as Evan Marcus suggested, that each
nomination must have a seconding. Apparently there were some films that
no one anywhere could see any good in.

But all good things must come to an end, and it is time for this Totally
Bad Discussion to do so as well. So here is final list of Totally Bad
Movies, which were nominated by at least two people, and which had
nothing good to be said about them from anyone on the net.

A Certain Sacrifice			(Evan Marcus, Jay Maeder)
Bolero					(Al Sary, Mike Stalnaker)
Canterbury Tales (X-rated version)	(Evan Marcus, Al Sary)
Dungeonmaster				(Clif Purkiser, Jerry Liberthal)
Felicity				(Hank Walker, Diane Holt)
Glen or Glenda				(Dan Reynolds, David Tucker)
Hercules				(Shu-Ju Burgess, Kevin Chu)
Humanoids from the Deep			(Al Sary, Byron Howes,
					 Dave Blickstein, Steve Shiue)
I am Curious, Yellow			([UNKNOWN], Doug Mink)
Mr. Mike's Mondo Video			(John Wersen, Dave Kirby)
Silent Night, Deadly Night		(Dave Kirby, Siskel & Ebert)


I won't bother to post the various submissions that have added or removed
movies from this list. I have them on file, so if anyone is curious
about the consensus on a particular movie, mail me a note and I'll give
you everything I have received on the movie.

Now, on to more fruitful discussions...

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Dave Kirby    ( ...!ihnp4!akgub!cylixd!dave)

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