Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site psivax.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!decvax!ittatc!dcdwest!sdcsvax!sdcrdcf!psivax!friesen From: friesen@psivax.UUCP (Stanley Friesen) Newsgroups: net.origins Subject: Re: Let me rephrase that..... Message-ID: <833@psivax.UUCP> Date: Mon, 4-Nov-85 15:18:27 EST Article-I.D.: psivax.833 Posted: Mon Nov 4 15:18:27 1985 Date-Received: Fri, 8-Nov-85 05:22:45 EST References: <450@imsvax.UUCP> Reply-To: friesen@psivax.UUCP (Stanley Friesen) Organization: Pacesetter Systems Inc., Sylmar, CA Lines: 42 In article <450@imsvax.UUCP> ted@imsvax.UUCP (Ted Holden) writes: > > >Which I take to mean that McNeil believes I am wrong and that the ancients >DID INDEED see the world as a small flat place; is there any other way to >interpret this? However, this sentence is immediately followed by: > ** A discussion of the Columbus and the Americas ** > >Which would indicate that McNeil accepts my thesis. This is McNeil vs >McNeil. The McNeil who accepts Holden's theory goes on for another 60 >lines or so making the point that the ancients KNEW all about the true >size and shape of the world. Then, in chapter two of the article, the >other McNeil re-emerges. We read: > ** A discussion of Homeric and ancient Hebrew cosmology ** > > I've read through this two part article several times and I'm still not >sure of what to think of it. There's always the chance that McNeil is some- >thing of a double-talk artist and is even now laughing at the confusion he >has caused amongst the rest of us, in which case he is to be congratulated. Or he takes the position that *some* ancients new about the size and shape of the Earth and *some* did not. You seem to think that either they *all* knew or none knew. I think Mr McNeil is truing to show that ancient cultures were *far* from uniform. There have been many hundreds of cultures and civilizations i the history of mankind and they have differed in almost every concievable manner. Just because the Classic Greeks figured out the size and shape of the Earth does *not* mean that the pre-classic(Homeric) Greeks had done so! Really, what I read in Mr McNeil's article was an attempt to counteract your idea that everyone who did not accept Velikovsky's "theories" also believed that the ancient were stupid. He was thus showing that he had a balanced, realistic conception of the ancients by displaying his knowledge of a few widely misunderstood events. -- Sarima (Stanley Friesen) UUCP: {ttidca|ihnp4|sdcrdcf|quad1|nrcvax|bellcore|logico}!psivax!friesen ARPA: ttidca!psivax!friesen@rand-unix.arpa