Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83 based; site hou2h.UUCP Path: utzoo!lsuc!watmath!clyde!cbosgd!ihnp4!houxm!hou2h!mr From: mr@hou2h.UUCP (M.RINDSBERG) Newsgroups: net.politics,net.religion.jewish Subject: Re: Middle East, Oil and the costs of Militarism Message-ID: <1124@hou2h.UUCP> Date: Thu, 31-Oct-85 12:57:35 EST Article-I.D.: hou2h.1124 Posted: Thu Oct 31 12:57:35 1985 Date-Received: Fri, 1-Nov-85 21:59:29 EST References: <460@mhuxm.UUCP> <740@whuxl.UUCP> <10822@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU>, <232@cornell.UUCP> Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Holmdel NJ Lines: 29 Xref: lsuc net.politics:1783 net.religion.jewish:1492 > In article <10822@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> mcgeer@ucbvax.UUCP (Rick McGeer) writes: > > > >(1) Israel is worth defending because it is the only Western nation in the > >Mideast, and (with the possible exception of Egypt) is the only nation in the > >area which professes the ideals of individual liberty and human dignity that > >we hold dear, not because of some spurious link to mideast oil. > I am sorry to disappoint you, but if you look at what is happening in > the West Bank, you will realize that the "ideals of individual liberty > and human dignity" are being completely disregarded, e.g. it is under > semi-permanent occupation, traveling by Arabs is very much restricted, > detentions, blowing-up of houses apply routinely to Arab "terrorists", > and not Israeli "terrorists", etc. > Amr El Abbadi I think you have a bit of a wrong idea here. The Gov't of Israel supply all Arabs living in Israel with Education, social programs, and a variety of other social services. If I may add, at a great cost to the country. Travelling is not as resticted as you may think, anyone with a car can travel to any part of the country (The licence has the city of origin on it - same as a state in USA), The busses run everywhere, and arabs are not restricted from the busses. Detentions are done ONLY when there has been terrorist action in the area as is with blowing up of houses. Houses are only blown up when the authorities are damn sure that there have been terrorists in the house. Another issue, when the so called Israeli "terrorists" were being apprehended the whole village was detained until it was ascertained who exactly were at fault. It pays to think and look at facts before you speak. Mark