Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site wjvax.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!decvax!decwrl!sun!saber!qubix!wjvax!ron From: ron@wjvax.UUCP (Ron Christian) Newsgroups: net.comics Subject: Re: Jean Grey Message-ID: <584@wjvax.UUCP> Date: Fri, 1-Nov-85 13:41:35 EST Article-I.D.: wjvax.584 Posted: Fri Nov 1 13:41:35 1985 Date-Received: Tue, 5-Nov-85 06:06:26 EST References: <878@cvl.UUCP> <2021@reed.UUCP> <317@pedsgd.UUCP> <900@cvl.UUCP> <50@hadron.UUCP> Reply-To: ron@wjvax.UUCP (Ron Christian) Distribution: net Organization: Watkins Johnson, San Jose, Calif. Lines: 59 Summary: >> I think this whole matter stinks. Madelyn Pryor is getting the short >>end of the stick and even though she is the Phoenix she is still a great >>character. >What makes you think that Maddie is the Phoenix? Nothing I have >seen suggests that, except some silly hypnotic tricks. > Joe Yao hadron!jsdy@seismo.{CSS.GOV,ARPA,UUCP} *** Ah, the lost possibilities of this whole mess... Shows to go ya what happens when you have too many cooks on a storyline.... I remember Scott and Maddy getting to know each other in front of a fire. (Lovely scene, that, especially the part where scott wrestles with his own memories of phoenix while watching maddy standing with the fire behind her... (sigh) Whatever happened to that kind of scripting?) She told Scott the story of how she was a pilot and the plane crashed.... all hands deceased except for her... massive guilt... and scott finds out it was the same day Jean died... There were some other hints as well, but memory fails me. Now of course, we have this massive screw-up to sort out. I was repackaging my old comics last weekend (rats, but that's another story) and I noticed an interesting thing: Going over some of what I thought were better issues of the Xmen, Shitter was already editor-in-chief. Seems to me either the writers had more control then, or it took awhile for Shitter to corrupt marvel. I agree with whomever said that Jean was Phoenix in the original storyline. (Both timelines, jean powerless and jean dead) As I said, there were hints after jean's death that Maddy had some ...connection... with jean. I was satisfied with things as they stood as I was upset with jean's death and could be consoled with the possibility that she and scott had at last really gotten together (but scott doesn't know it...). Now, instead of one woman that was marvel girl and became phoenix, then may (I say may) have (after her death) inhabited and regenerated an 'unused' body (pilot who bears some physical resemblance, killed in a plane crash) and marries her longtime lover, we have three different people (well, two people and a beyonder clone.) and a host of logical errors. Pfaugh. We're talking 'sales' here... Drek does well, I guess. More rug-rats out there than there are discriminating readers. The crying shame of it all is when X-factor comes out, I'll buy it. And Shitter will look at his sales charts and crow about how he did the right thing. Damn him. Anyone saving the Jean Grey shuffle discussion? We should package it and send it to Marvel. Ron -- -- Ron Christian (Watkins-Johnson Co. San Jose, Calif.) {pesnta,twg,ios,qubix,turtlevax,tymix,vecpyr,certes,isi}!wjvax!ron Oliver's law of assumed responsibility: "If you are seen fixing it, you will be blamed for breaking it."