Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site cuuxb.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!mhuxn!ihnp4!mgnetp!ltuxa!cuuxb!cag From: cag@cuuxb.UUCP (C. Gerlach) Newsgroups: net.news.config,net.news.group,net.micro.mac,net.sources.mac Subject: Re: impending newsgroup cuts Message-ID: <275@cuuxb.UUCP> Date: Fri, 8-Nov-85 01:19:49 EST Article-I.D.: cuuxb.275 Posted: Fri Nov 8 01:19:49 1985 Date-Received: Sun, 10-Nov-85 06:47:15 EST References: <472@spice.cs.cmu.edu> <6090@utzoo.UUCP> <227@mplvax.UUCP> <6121@utzoo.UUCP> Reply-To: cag@cuuxb.UUCP (Chuck Gerlach) Organization: AT&T-IS, Customer Support, Lisle, Il. Lines: 39 Xref: watmath net.news.config:733 net.news.group:4366 net.micro.mac:3335 net.sources.mac:701 Summary: Well, I think this has gone far enough. I am getting tired of seeing this discussion being carried out in parallel in 4 or 5 newsgroups. Lets get to the bottom of this and then move it to the appropriate newsgroup so the rest of us can get on with our work. I would like to suggest that this discussion be changed from how to eliminate a newsgroup to the real problem of how sites can minimize the costs of being on the network. The current discussion of network wide censorship is counter-productive and only aggravates the problem by greatly adding to the traffic on the network. The scope of this problem may be network wide but it remains one of how each system controls its environment. Network wide solutions for individual site problems will not work since every site is different and has unique problems. It would appear that a better approach would be to examine the options each site has in managing its portion of the network (that is, the system itself and the links it has to its neighboring systems). If it becomes apparent that sites can not control themselves, lets identify the tools needed by the site's network administrator and see what can be done to get the tools built. I have to believe that these issues are being discussed in the network administration and management newsgroups. Continued discussion in other newsgroups of censorship and threatened network wide removal does little to foster rational thinking. And misses the main issue. Lets attack the real problem and stop arguing amongst ourselves. Its not a question of which groups have to go, but of network management and control at the individual site level. Now that I've said my piece, I apologize to anyone I may have offended. And as usual these are my own thoughts. No one else would want them. Chuck Gerlach ...!ihnp4!cuuxb!cag