Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: Notesfiles $Revision: 1.7.0.10 $; site uiucdcsb Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!mhuxn!ihnp4!inuxc!pur-ee!uiucdcsb!dollas From: dollas@uiucdcsb.CS.UIUC.EDU Newsgroups: net.nlang.greek Subject: Re: Apo Taki Mercouri Message-ID: <32400015@uiucdcsb> Date: Thu, 14-Nov-85 00:08:00 EST Article-I.D.: uiucdcsb.32400015 Posted: Thu Nov 14 00:08:00 1985 Date-Received: Sun, 10-Nov-85 07:27:10 EST References: <358@tilt.FUN> Lines: 65 Nf-ID: #R:tilt.FUN:358:uiucdcsb:32400015:000:4037 Nf-From: uiucdcsb.CS.UIUC.EDU!dollas Nov 7 23:08:00 1985 Den thelo na sas kouraso synadelfoi, alla mia kai i syzitisi prohoraei, kai malista paragogika kata tin gnomi mou, thelo na prostheso ena akomi thema. Kat' arhin symfono me tis apopseis to synadelfou Taki Merkouri. Yparhei omos ena lepto thema pou polyplokopoiei tin katastasi: o kratikos programmatismos. Einai kathara thema tis kyvernisis (kai tis opoiasdipote kyvernisis) na kathorizei antikeimenikous stohous. Den ehei simasia an yparhoun epistimones pou na efarmozoun robotics an i kyvernisi (gia opoiousdipote logous) apofasisei oti den tha dosei varytita ston tomea. Den kritikaro ta trehonta shedia, kai den ta xero se megali ektasi, alla apo auta pou xero, sympaireno oti yparhoun anthropoi pou apofasizoun horis na polykatalavainoun apo tehnologia. An gi' auto ftaine oi symvouloi to provlima synehizei na yparhei. Yparhei kai i alli apopsi. Se syntomi syzitisi pou eiha me ton Manoli Katevaini to kalokairi stin Kriti, proteine oti isos menei se mas tous epistimones na kathorisoume ti einai efikto kai ti ohi, oste na prohorisoume telos panton. Den analyo tis apopseis tou perissotero, giati einai o idios sto network kai mporei na to kanei kalytera apo mena (an den katalava kala tis apopseis tou stin syzitisi ekeini -itan arga allos te- zito sygnomi). Simantiko einai pos oi dyo vasikes apopseis einai: (a) O kathorismos kratikou programmatismou einai thema politiko kai prepei na kathoristei apo tin kyvernisi, alla i efarmogi tou peftei stous epistimones. (b) Oi epistimones na odigisoun tin tehnologiki exelixi stin Ellada, mia kai autoi tha tin pragmatopoiisoun. Telika to thema den einai toso aplo. Oi epistimones mporei na ehoun ton altrouismo alla auto den einai arketo. Apo tin alli meria, kai oi politikoi theloun na voithisoun tin hora, alla kai auto den einai arketo. O syshetismos tou thematos autou me auta pou syzitame einai o exis: an i kyvernisi thelei epistimones se, as poume robotics, yparhei i endeixi oti otan autoi meta apo x hronia tha apofoitisoun tha einai anagaioi kai hrisimoi? Yparhei i endeixi oti otan autoi tha zitisoun orismenes parohes oste na katorthosoun auto pou tous ziteitai na kanoun, tha vroun to kratos voitho? Telos, yparhei i endeixi oti to idio to kratos tha kathorisei ek ton proteron krtiria oste oi programmatismoi na epitheuhthoun (oste na apoeuhthei spatali hrimaton kai dynamikou)? Me tetoies erotiseis, pou den apantiontai eukola, pos einai dynaton na kanei kaneis apofasi karrieras (dil. apasholisis gia oli tin zoi tou) epeidi 'hreiazontai epistimones se H/Y' ???????????? Opos eipa, symono me tis apopseis tou synadelfou Merkouri. Se proigoumeno keimeno egrapsa tis apopseis mou gia to arthro tou synadelfou Dimitriadi. Kathos i syzitisi ginetai poly endiaferousa, elpizo na antallahthoun apopseis kai gia ta erotimata pou evala. Thelontas na kano dimiourgiki syzitisi, kleino me tis apopseis mou stis erotiseis pou o idios evala: Nomizo oti o kathorismos stohon einai politiko thema, alla otan oi politikoi pairnoun apofaseis horis na katalavainoun tin tehniki ypodomi einai poly pithanon na ta thalassosoun. Ara i lysi vrisketai se politikous pou, xerontas tis anages tou topou, alla katalavainontas tin aneparkeia ton tehnikon tous gnoseon, *syzitoun* me epistimones (kai ohi mono enan i dyo giati auto mporei na dimiourgisei biased sample), katalavainoun ti mporei kai ti den mporei na ginei, ti tha kostisei (se hrimata, hrono, emyuho uliko), kai *tote mono* apofasizoun. Katopin, menoun synepeis (sta oria tou logikou) stous vasikous stohous, oste na tous petyhoun. Oso gia to an auto ginetai i tha ginei stin Ellada, nomizo oti hreiazetai poli veltiosi gia na fthasoume os ekei, kai axizei na prospathisoume oloi gi' auto. Nomizo to parakana se megethos, kai elpizo na min sas kourasa poly. Filika, Apostolos Dollas Dept. of Comp. Science, U. of Illinois USENET: ...!{pur-ee,ihnp4}!uiucdcs!dollas CSNET: dollas%uiuc@csnet-relay.arpa ARPA: dollas@uiuc.arpa