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From: kirsch@sjuvax.UUCP (P. Kirsch)
Newsgroups: net.music
Subject: Re: Finally: The top n album list
Message-ID: <2476@sjuvax.UUCP>
Date: Mon, 28-Oct-85 17:42:39 EST
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Posted: Mon Oct 28 17:42:39 1985
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Reply-To: kirsch@sjuvax.UUCP (P. Kirsch)
Organization: St. Joseph's University, Phila. PA.
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Keywords: self-indulgent whining, divorce
Summary: 

In article <1949@pyuxd.UUCP> rlr@pyuxd.UUCP (Rich Rosen) writes:
>>>           I refuse (with three R's) to believe that "Who's Next"
>>>      or any album by our favorite net.star could outrank Led
>>>      Zeppelin IV.Consequently I challenge the results of this sur-
>>>      vey. [PALENA]
>
>> You don't believe it Larry?? What would you do if I told you that I don't
>> even like Led Zep IV that much?? Why is The Wall "history's stupidest
>> concept album?? Because it's the true story of Roger Water's life?? Maybe
>> you don't like depressing music but I happen to thrive on it and I think
>> that the Wall is an incredible album.  [PAUL KIRSCH]
>
>Not to flame you, Paul (I agree with your rebuttal to Palena wholeheartedly),
>but although I've liked some of the music from "The Wall", I can't help but
>think that as a whole it is a ridiculously self-indulgent egotistical
>whining exercise on the part of Roger Waters.  I recall reading his
>insistence at the time of the recording of "The Wall" that HE *was* Pink
>Floyd, that the band was his ideas, his vision, his music.  The whole theme and
>content seemed symptomatic of the whiny "singer-songwriter" motif wherein
>the singer talks about his incredible problems in life and blames them
>all on the other people around him (often MOTOS's).  (Reminds me a bit
>of the ethic in John Parr's "Naughty Naughty" video---when someone doesn't
>do what I want, they're at fault, and a happy ending would have them "giving
>in" in the end; just one example from MTV.)
>
>Didn't he go through a divorce around this time?  I ask because two of the
>biggest "stars" of the moment, Phil Collins and Sting, bolstered their careers
>(and found something to write about endlessly) as a result of divorce, and
>seem to fit into that same category.  Sting recanted "Every Little Thing She
>Does Is Magic" with "Every Breath You Take" (both about his ex-wife).  He
>later claimed that "If You Love Someone Set Them Free" was his own answer to
>"EBYT".  Yet if you think about it, he wasn't offering to "set free" the one
>he had been watching who belonged to him in "EBYT", he was demanding that HE
>be set free!  Not to mention "Fortress Around Your Heart"...  (OK, I won't
>mention it.)
>
>I digress...
>-- 
>"iY AHORA, INFORMACION INTERESANTE ACERCA DE... LA LLAMA!"
>	Rich Rosen    ihnp4!pyuxd!rlr

Yes  Rich, he did go thru a rather brutal divorce. I would have to agree
with you that the album is full of whiny depressing vocals but I still
love it. "Nobody Home" is one of my favorite songs on the album. I also
like the Wall for the incredible guitar work also--I've always been a fan
of Gilmour's searing minor key leads. I know a lot of people who agree with
you Rich but I like most whining/moaning vocals a lot (For eg., Joy Division
is my favorite band)


-- 


Another wunnerful letter from the semi-intelligent rotting brain of:

                              Paul Kirsch
                              St. Joseph's University
                              Philadelphia, Pa

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