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From: bch@ecsvax.UUCP (Byron C. Howes)
Newsgroups: net.news.group
Subject: Re: Reform net.internat (De Rules, Boss, De *Rules*)
Message-ID: <657@ecsvax.UUCP>
Date: Wed, 30-Oct-85 09:30:18 EST
Article-I.D.: ecsvax.657
Posted: Wed Oct 30 09:30:18 1985
Date-Received: Sat, 2-Nov-85 06:30:27 EST
References: <5717@fortune.UUCP> <629@ecsvax.UUCP> <1828@hao.UUCP>
Reply-To: bch@ecsvax.UUCP (Byron C. Howes)
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Organization: N C Educational Computing Service
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Summary: 

In article <1828@hao.UUCP> woods@hao.UUCP (Greg Woods) writes:
>...All we are saying is that any NEW groups
>must be created according to the current rules. The net is now too big
>to be a total anarchy.

Really?  Then how come all these new 'mod' groups (for which I had no
corresponding 'fa.' groups just appeared on my machine?)  Just when did
these 'rules' come to be?  Last month?  Yesterday?  It has *always* been
possible and necessary to create groups by caveat.  Selective memory is
certainly a woderful thing!

>  What does parochialism have to do with it? That is, as has been stated 
>MANY times now, an irrelevant issue. The ONLY objection to the group is that
>its creator did not follow accepted procedure for creating NETWIDE groups.

The parochialism is in not granting to EUUG the same legitimacy we confer
to USENIX.  If piet@mcvax put out a netwide rmgroup on one of the mod groups
just recently created despite 'the rules' the flames would be enough to
bring the satellite out of orbit. 

>  This is a debatable issue. I do not agree. The way I interpret the newsgroup
>creation rules is that you must first have a DEMONSTRATED VOLUME of postings
>before proposing new groups. Maybe that should be changed, I don't know.
>But the way things are CURRENTLY set up, neither EUUG nor USENIX can mandate
>the creation of new groups.

Again, this simply isn't the case.  Not only history, but current events
is on my side.  You can scream until you are blue in the face that these are
the 'rules.'  The facts don't bear that out.  It don't make it so...
-- 

                                              Byron Howes
					System Manager -- NCECS
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