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From: allbery@ncoast.UUCP (Brandon S. Allbery)
Newsgroups: net.news
Subject: Re: RN is at fault for all this included text
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Date: Sun, 27-Oct-85 21:13:19 EST
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Posted: Sun Oct 27 21:13:19 1985
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[WARNING:  ALL OF <3220@ut-sally.UUCP> is in here -- see the end for the reason]

> It's been suggested that if RN didn't have an "F" command, people would
> just use editors.  This is not the case.  There was a massive increase
> in the amount of included text on the net with the introduction of RN.
> 
> When I saw the "F" feature in an early release, I wrote an urgent message
> to Larry Wall begging him to take this feature out.  He didn't agree that
> it would be as bad as I suggested.  I suspect current trends prove me right.
> 
> Remember the rule for USENET software design:  Articles are posted once, but
> read a thousand times.  Anything that makes it 1% easier for a reader and
> 500% harder for the poster is worth it.
> 
> To my mind, this justifies moderators (as I have described them) and careful
> checks in posting software, along with a plethora of keywords.
> 
> Right now the net is (roughly) reader-pays, so it should be reader driven.  If
> you put in the option for poster-pays, this would change.
> -- 
> Brad Templeton, Looking Glass Software Ltd. - Waterloo, Ontario 519/884-7473

I hate to tell you... but I sent this from 2.10.2 readnews (temporary, I am
stuck at 300 baud right now...) -- and the only followup command available
automatically includes the message.  Ditto vnews.  If anything, rn is BETTER
since the `f' command is available.
-- 
	``Youth, you are guilty of muddy thinking.''

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