Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site decwrl.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!ucbvax!decwrl!dec-rhea!dec-2littl!schneider From: schneider@2littl.DEC Newsgroups: net.music Subject: Re: I Can't Believe What I Just Read Message-ID: <1166@decwrl.UUCP> Date: Wed, 30-Oct-85 17:33:22 EST Article-I.D.: decwrl.1166 Posted: Wed Oct 30 17:33:22 1985 Date-Received: Sat, 2-Nov-85 06:36:22 EST Sender: daemon@decwrl.UUCP Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation Lines: 90 [Oh geez! I was away for a while, and in the meantime some Led Zeppelin fan (with a sense of humor) took his sword out against Doug Alan, and Rich Rosen (who forgot his sense of humor ... except for the Odd Couple quotes) started screaming bloody murder about Jimmy Page, Led Zeppelin and narrow viewpoints. I, on the other hand, would like to continue the DISCUSSION which started all this and in a way apologize for the mud-slinging it precipitated. -DS] [Doug - you have the habit here of leaving out lots of stuff which seems pretty important to the context. I suggest you be more forgiving to those who don't make it their business to remember every previous written word on a subject.] [To fill in context: Doug was wondering what he had done to make me think he wasn't a fan of the Beatles.] ME>> A high percentage of the sentiments you have expressed in net.music, >> especially the part about "hating Rock 'n Roll". DOUG> I said that I didn't like "Rock 'n Roll", not that I didn't like "Rock". You said "I hate rock 'n roll". My assumption was that this includes the Beatles, but excludes "art" rock. But now you say "Rock" doesn't mean rock 'n roll. This inventing of semantics on the fly makes it one tough term to nail down. > But some people say that some of the music I like, like the VU, are Rock > 'n Roll. So maybe I should change that to say that I don't like > mainstream Rock 'n Roll. I don't think I can say that I don't like > mainstream Rock (even though most of it is pretty awful), since The > Beatles are now considered mainstream.... I think you have a contempt for music which is too popular or (oh, how shall I put it?) "pop" music. Eh? But of course it pays never to be too adamant and leave room for exceptions, doesn't it? [Doug has expressed a preference for music which is designed to be listened to in a dark room with headphones.] ME (again)>> The Beatles are the ANTITHESIS of bands one would listen to in >>a dark room with headphones. They were a R&R band and a SOCIAL phenomenon. > Early Beatles, maybe. Psychedelic period Beatles is *perfect* for that. For you maybe, but that's not what the Beatles were into doing. I also have, of course, listened in solitude, but the fact remains they were in a period of Social experimentation and were "turning on". DOUG>>> The Beatles nearly single-handedly pulled the world out of Rock >>> 'n Roll. >> Nothing could be further from the truth; the Beatles SHOWED the world >> rock 'n roll. > The Beatles didn't invent Rock and Roll -- they invented "Rock". Rock > and Roll existed long before The Beatles. This neither addresses my point or makes much sense if you don't include the definition you so recently bestowed on the term "Rock". In my vernacular, Rock is a shortening of the term Rock 'n Roll. (Can anybody just here Johnny Winter shouting that, and not think it the perfect term?) DOUG>>> The only reason "Sargent Pepper's" wasn't second or so on my list is >>> because I've been listening to it since I was four.... >> This sounds like an important reason for ranking it high on your list. >> It was definitely in my top five. > Well, I took the question to mean "What are my current favorites?" Not, > "Which have had the biggest influence on me?" In any case, it was in my > top ten even though I haven't listened to it for a long time. Fair enough. Its interesting that I probably haven't played it in a while also, and when I do play Beatles these days its usually the White Album. But when it came time to choose THE Beatles album there was no doubt it was Sgt. Pepper's. For the aforementioned Zeppelin fan: Hey! I chose Who's Next as #1, buddy. LZ didn't make my top ten, although I gave LZ I due consideration. For Rich Rosen: "I dig noise. I dig sound. I dig all music, bumps, screams. But this has brought me down. I haven't been this far down since 1957!" "And though the news was rather sad, Well I just had to laugh..." Daniel Schneider {decvax}!decwrl!dec-rhea!dec-2littl!schneider