Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site umcp-cs.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!philabs!cmcl2!seismo!umcp-cs!chris From: chris@umcp-cs.UUCP (Chris Torek) Newsgroups: net.books Subject: Re: Middle Earth (Tolkien) Questions Message-ID: <2178@umcp-cs.UUCP> Date: Sun, 10-Nov-85 03:31:13 EST Article-I.D.: umcp-cs.2178 Posted: Sun Nov 10 03:31:13 1985 Date-Received: Mon, 11-Nov-85 07:33:41 EST References: <2152@umcp-cs.UUCP> Distribution: net Organization: U of Maryland, Computer Science Dept., College Park, MD Lines: 31 My other lead was better, and I have discovered that what I was told was in fact wrong. (When I teased Bregil---he was the one that told me the tale---about his `failing memory', he claimed that he remembered it correctly, and it must have been the fault of another. Ah well, I have learned not to trust so much in half-remembered stories. This at least is from a written record, that I found---not without help---in Elrond's great store. Someone needs to index these on a computer!) All the Great Rings save the One were made by Celebrimbor. The Nine and the Seven were made with the aid of Sauron himself, who was still at that time fair to behold. The Three were made after Sauron had gone off to Numenor (I need a keyboard with accents!). When Sauron made the One, Celebrimbor was aware of it (having been rather suspicious for some time), and so all the rings had been given out or hidden by the time Sauron made his attack on Eregion; but Celebrimbor was captured and tortured, and revealed the locations of the Seven and the Nine. The Three remained hidden, though Galadriel wrote that she thought Sauron guessed who had them. It is said (but *not* written, or at least not in Elrond's copy of that record by Galadriel) that the ring of Durin III was given to him by Celebrimbor himself; this matches what the Dwarves remember, so it is probably the truth. The remainder of the Seven, and most or all of the Nine, were probably given away by Celebrimbor as well, but he never wrote down just where, and no one else that I have asked remembers. -- Lindor, alias Chris Torek, Univ of MD Comp Sci Dept (+1 301 454 4251) UUCP: seismo!umcp-cs!chris CSNet: chris@umcp-cs ARPA: chris@mimsy.umd.edu