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From: ins_akaa@jhunix.UUCP (Kenneth Adam Arromdee)
Newsgroups: net.news.group,net.flame,net.misc
Subject: Re: proposed destruction of net.bizarre
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Date: Mon, 28-Oct-85 14:36:52 EST
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Posted: Mon Oct 28 14:36:52 1985
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In article <296@ukecc.UUCP> edward@ukecc.UUCP (Edward C. Bennett) writes:
>[Yes, I know this is in three groups.]
>In article <616@k.cs.cmu.edu>, mcb@k.cs.cmu.edu (Michael Browne) writes:
>> Yes, there was a discussion in net.news.group, but I doubt if most of the
>> bizarre people participated.  I know that I tend to read the "frivolous" 
>> newsgroups and avoid the "serious" groups, such as net.news.group, and I
>> imagine that many others do the same.  As a result, a group of serious
>> people decided (25-9) that they didn't like a silly newsgroup.
>
>	'Silly' is an understatement, try 'worthless'.

If someone is an extremist who thinks net.religion.jewish is worthless,
should it be removed?  Regardless of whether you think it's worthless,
deciding that a group should not exist because it is "worthless" is
censorship.  You can say that all non-technical groups are "worthless",
but once you have agreed that some such groups should exist, you should
not use "I think it's worthless" as a reason to selectively decide that
some should exist and some should not.

>> WHY DIDN'T YOU CROSSPOST THE DELETION DISCUSSION TO NET.BIZARRE SO THAT
>> EVERYONE COULD PARTICIPATE???
>
>	How could possibly have noticed it in there? There was SO much
>GARBAGE in net.bizarre that anything of any value would be quickly lost.

This is patently ridiculous. Don't post it because nobody will read it anyway?
You have based a totally unwarranted conclusion on your prejudicial
viewpoint of net.bizarre (i.e., it's full of garbage). If you feel that
it's garbage, that's your opinion, but don't use that as an excuse not to
inform its readers of something you know will affect them. 

Furthermore, I am located at a university which does not permit me to read
net.news.group.  Leaving discussions about a group's fate out of the group
whose fate is being discussed is not fair to those who will not, or in
my case, CANNOT, access those discussions otherwise.

>> Well, I propose that we recreate net.bizarre.  If anyone is interested (or
>> not) send me mail.  Even if net.bizarre isn't recreated, maybe mail.bizarre
>> could be created if there is enough interest.
>
>	There's an idea. Create a mailing list.

This seems to be inconsistent with your remark below not to "pollute the
net". Mail does go over the net, you know! True, you don't have to read
someone else's mail, but you don't have to read net.bizarre either if
you don't want to.  Furthermore, the original net.bizarre deletion announcement 
also said "DON'T consider setting up a mailing list that would end up
passing the equivalent of 'net.bizarre' through the mail..."

>> P.S. - So far, the vote is 2-1 for the creation of net.bizarre.  So unless I
>> hear otherwise, I'll create net.bizarre later this week. :-)
>
>	Please NO!! I don't care if you did use a ':-)', that's not
>funny. Keep your trash to yourself. Don't pollute the net with it.
>Edward C. Bennett

As I already said, if you think something is trash, that is not a sufficient
justification for not letting someone else who doesn't think so read it.
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