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From: jeff@rtech.UUCP (Jeff Lichtman)
Newsgroups: net.women
Subject: Re: Re: Rape (The nature of reality)
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Date: Fri, 25-Oct-85 06:39:09 EST
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Posted: Fri Oct 25 06:39:09 1985
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> > 
> > Yes, it is true that most rapes occur in the home.  It is also
> > true that in over 70% of rapes reported to the police, the
> > attacker was previously known to the woman (landlord, friend,
> > boyfriend, husband, brother, uncle, father, teacher, priest).
> > Although I am perfectly willing, myself, to trust *no men* at
> > all (in fact this is what I do) not to rape me, few women are
> > willing to live that way, and few women are willing to bar their
> > doors to all their male acquaintances because of these
> > statistics.  David, it's just *not* as simple as you are putting
> > it, and you need to be aware of this.  
> >  
> > Ellen Eades
> > -- 
> Ellen,
> Not trusting ANY man not to rape you rings of paranoia, or you are just
> flattering yourself by thinking you are such an irresistable target that
> a good man could turn bad by just looking at you.  Your remarks are an
> abomination to decent men every where.  I hope you can contain outrageous
> remarks like this to your own mind and not subject two continents to such
> thinking.
> 
> ray

Ray, I would like to know what Ellen did to you to provoke a response like
this.  All she said was that she doesn't trust any men not to rape her.  You
seem to take this as an insult, suggesting that she is paranoid or narcissistic
(I will not comment here on the fact that most rapists don't rape because
of sexual excitement, a fact which Ellen knows and which Ray should know).
All one can legitimately conclude about Ellen's attitude toward men is that she
is extremely cautious.  She never said that she believes that all men want to
rape her (an attitude which would be paranoid), she said that she doesn't trust
any man well enough not to.  If Ellen could read people's minds, I'm sure her
attitude would be different.  Ray, please think about what a person really
means before you respond with an attack.
-- 
Jeff Lichtman at rtech (Relational Technology, Inc.)
"Saints should always be judged guilty until they are proved innocent..."

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