Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/5/84; site sjuvax.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!decvax!bellcore!petrus!scherzo!allegra!princeton!astrovax!sjuvax!lp102911 From: lp102911@sjuvax.UUCP (palena) Newsgroups: net.music Subject: Re: The Wall Message-ID: <2513@sjuvax.UUCP> Date: Mon, 4-Nov-85 11:35:23 EST Article-I.D.: sjuvax.2513 Posted: Mon Nov 4 11:35:23 1985 Date-Received: Fri, 8-Nov-85 06:37:51 EST References: <1143@sphinx.UChicago.UUCP> <5602@fortune.UUCP> Reply-To: lp102911@sjuvax.UUCP (Larry Palena) Organization: St. Joseph's University, Phila. PA. Lines: 54 Keywords: Me and My Big Mouth!!!! Summary: In article <1985@pyuxd.UUCP> rlr@pyuxd.UUCP (Rich Rosen) writes: >>>Not to flame you, Paul (I agree with your rebuttal to Palena wholeheartedly), >>>but although I've liked some of the music from "The Wall", I can't help but >>>think that as a whole it is a ridiculously self-indulgent egotistical >>>whining exercise on the part of Roger Waters. [ROSEN] > >> I agree that "The Wall" reflects at times the self-indulgent and egotistical >> tendencies of the writer. However, that's not enough for it to be called >> "ridiculous". In fact, I think many artists (assuming Roger Waters is an >> artist) share these same qualities and tendencies. Eccentricities and >> obseessions often are characteristics of exceptional artists. For example, >> John Lennon, Jimi Hendrix, Picasso, Beethoven, Dostoyevsky, Milton, ... >> I think to single Roger Waters out by calling "The Wall" "ridiculous" is >> unfair. [LIPINSKI] > >The difference is that the others had something worth saying about their >experiences, and didn't succumb to melodramatic whining (even Lennon's >first solo album, a real catharsis, has more real power than self-pity). > >> He was clearly obsessed with (the seeming futility of) his life, >> his mistakes, and his relationships. I really think it is an exceptional >> thematic work. He as a person may not be appreciable but "The Wall" as an >> expression of his feelings is. > >I disagree, but that's what makes horse races. His message wasn't >effective to me, nothing of substance other than the whining came across. >Though there IS some great music on the album. > >>>I recall reading his >>>insistence at the time of the recording of "The Wall"... ...(and on and on and on....) *** WHAT HAVE I DONE???!!!**** Let me say at this time two things; 1) "The Wall" is a bad album,and when I say "bad" spell that S-T-U-P-I-D. 2) Anybody who could think that this net has nothing better to talk about but that album is obviously mentally deficient. ...in short,I'm ***SORRY*** I ever implied that "The Wall" is over-rated.It bogged me down in a huge argument with Paul Kirsch and introduced the topic to the net,for excrutiatingly long dis- cussion!!! For the sake of your fellow men please!,***ENOUGH ABOUT THAT ALBUM*** no matter how he tried he could not break free, and the worms ate into his brain . ***UGHHHHHH!!!!*** No signature necessary