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From: nick@rti-sel.UUCP (Nick Kanopoulos)
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Subject: Re: Gia osous PRAGMATIKA tha gurisoun styn Ellada
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Date: Tue, 29-Oct-85 13:53:30 EST
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Posted: Tue Oct 29 13:53:30 1985
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> 
> Aformy pairnw apo to munyma tou Petrou Petropoulou pou san 
> ylekrologos myhanikos(;), pou thelei na kanei metaptuhiakes spoudes 
> styn Ameriky, dialegei ton tomea tou ylektromagnytikou pediou, 
> pros megaly mou apogoyteusy mia kai me vriskei teleiws antitheto 
> mia tetoia epilogy. 

Giati? Ean eisai antithetos epidi pisteueis oti den yparxoun efarmoges
s'auton ton tomea stin Ellada tote nomizw oti xreiazesai na meletisis
kalytera tis anages tis ellinikis pragmatikotitas ston texnologiko to-
mea.An kai den pisteuw oti i epilogi tou kladou pou tha xrisimeysi gia
tin anaptyksi tis ellinikis oikonomias einai anagea i kaliteri lysi(mia
kai i efarmogi twn gnwsewn stin paragwgi eksartate kata poly apo mi
texnikous paragontes,p.x kybernitiki politiki)apo kathara texniki apopsi
eidikotita se Hlectromagnitika Pedia(Microwaves in a broad sense)mporei 
na xrisimopieithei stous ekseis tomeis opuo yparxei anagi,mikros arithmos
mixanikwn me synxrones gnwseis,kai texnologiki kathisterisi sxetika me 
proigmenes xwres.
      O.T.E :Grames metaforas,zeukseis me omoaksoniko kalodio,asyrmates
zeukseis.  Alithia ksereis posa nisia exoun tilefwno mesw mias monadikis
zeuksis pou kataskeuastike apo ksenous eidimones?
     Amyna :Sxedwn apoklistika ola ta systimata pou xrisimopoioun ta tria
opla gia epikoinwnies,countermeasures,countrcountermeasures,kai inteligence
einai kataskeuasmena apo allous.Fisika den xreiazwntai sxolia edw oson afora
tin epidrasi stin oikonomia(i Ellada dapana to upsilotero % etisiou
proypologismou gia amyna se sxesi me tis alles xwres tou nato)kai ethiniki
aneksartisia.
    Genika : Katapolemisi tou karkinou(orismenes morfes)me mikrokymata,
TV ypostathmoi(signal relay),sxediasmos newn doryforikwn zeyksewn gia
tin nausiploia.
> 
> ergasies (opws sta AEI opou vasika paragoume papers gia ta Amerikanika
> periodika kai exoume kai tyn apaitysy o Ellynikos laos na mas plyrwnei
O protistos rolos tou kathigiti (toulaxiston ston elliniko xwro)einai
autos tou daskalou.Den nomizeis oti auto einai spoudea euthini pou an
ginetai swsta auti kathe auti prosferei polytimi ypirisia ston topo?

> gia auto). Hreiazomaste perissotero anaptuxy tehnologias para anaptuxy
> ereunas pou tha prepei na akolouthysei argotera. Akomy kai y 
> efarmosmeny ereuna einai ahrysty (kuriolektika aeras) an sto telos
> den parahthei auto pou thewrytika shediasame. Styn Ameriky boreis
> na kaneis hrysimy hewrytiky ergasia giati kapoios styn paragwgy 
> tha tyn efarmwsei, alla styn Ellada mas leipei autos o kapoios 
> kai tha prepei emeis na ton antikatastysoume. 

Einai arketa parakindineymeno kai sigoura apolito xwris wmos na einai
alithino oti eisxirizesai pio panw.I ereyna den einai axristi se kamia
periptwsi.An to apotelesma tis den "paraxthei"auto exei na kanei me tin
oikonomiki prooptiki tou apotelesmatos san proion kai tin geniki politiki
tis kyvernisis n tns etairias gia tin opoia ginetai n ereyna.Oso gia ton 
isxyrismo oti ta apotelesmata tis ereunas stin ameriki kapoios ta efarmozei
i parapanw protasi isxyei kai edw.
> 
> kai ty diatrivy mas alla tha prepei na platunoume to euros twn gnwsewn
> mas me sullogy praktikwn plyroforiwn pou tha mas kanoun "etoimous
> paiktes" gia tyn Ellada otan tha gurisoume. Praktiky exaskisy ta 
> kalokairia y gia kanena hrono meta tis spoudes mas se mia etairia 
> einai mallon aparaityty. Gia paradeigma egw san ylektrologos 

Symfonw me osa les parapanw alla nomizw oti to ti einai "praktiki"
pliroforia einai mallon ypokimeniko kai dyskolo na oristhei.

> myhanikos dialexa tous computers gia metaptuhiakes spoudes
> giati to thewrysa to poio hrysimo gia tyn Ellada, an kai den ytan
> o klados pou mou arese perissotero. Kai tha thewrisw tis spoudes
> mou epituhymenes otan tha eimai etoimos na PARAGW kapoia computer
> proionta kai oxi otan tha ehw anaptuxei kapoio algorithmo gia ty
 
Ti einai computer proionta?? An diladi anaptykseis ena montelo(agorithmo)
pou na lynei as poume tin sygentrwsi twn poloutants stin atmosfera kai na
provlepei tin metakinisi tous ston xrono auto den einai xrisimo computer
proion?
> 
> Telos tha yhela na parakalesw osous mellontikous doktores na myn ehoun
> to mialo tous mono se panepistymiaky thesy alla na pane styn paragwgy
> (the real thing pou lene) kai an ginetai na anoixoun oi idioi mia 
> paragwgiky kai ethnika hrysimy epihyrisy pou tha antikatastysei
> tis eisagwges proiontwn alla kai xenwn hrusoplyromenwn eidikwn pou
> kalame opote ehoume provlyma.
> 
Kales oi protropes alla den nomizeis oti aplopoieis ta pragmata se
vathmo syzitisis tou kafe!An kati xwlenei stin Ellada einai i akadimaiki
ekpedeusi kai mono swsti doulia edw apo mellondes Dr.s mporei na paragei
mixanikous pou tha kseroun osa uperaminesai s'ayto to gramma.Oso gia tin
dimiourgia mias epixirisis,xreiazesai na symvouleuseis prwta tous
epixeirimaties,meta tin ekastote kyvernisi pou kathorizei nomous leitourgias
twn epixeirisewn kai ws ek toutou prooptikes gia tin epiviwsi tous,kai
teleutaia tous Dr.s.Ksereis polloi apo aytous endiaferontai gia ypsilis
poiotitas texniki douleia oxi omws kai gia accounting,marketing,sales,k.l.p
pou einai isws o kormos epityxeias mias etairias.


An exeis antiriseis gia tis apopseis mou(pou tis vazw sto net. gia tin
dimiourgia dialogou kai apantisi stin erwtisi an diafwnei kaneis)parakalw
poste them sto net. kai ksanasyzhtame.

Geia xara apo N.Carolina.      Nikos
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