Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site unc.unc.UUCP Path: utzoo!lsuc!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!unc!fsks From: fsks@unc.UUCP (Frank Silbermann) Newsgroups: net.politics,net.religion.jewish Subject: Re: Middle East, Oil and the costs of Militarism Message-ID: <487@unc.unc.UUCP> Date: Fri, 1-Nov-85 17:42:39 EST Article-I.D.: unc.487 Posted: Fri Nov 1 17:42:39 1985 Date-Received: Sat, 2-Nov-85 21:35:48 EST References: <460@mhuxm.UUCP> <740@whuxl.UUCP> <10822@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> <232@cornell.UUCP> Reply-To: fsks@unc.UUCP (Frank Silbermann) Organization: CS Dept, U. of N. Carolina, Chapel Hill Lines: 32 Xref: lsuc net.politics:1800 net.religion.jewish:1496 Summary: >In article <10822@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> mcgeer@ucbvax.UUCP (Rick McGeer) writes: >> >>(1) Israel is worth defending because it is the only Western nation in the >>Mideast, and (with the possible exception of Egypt) is the only nation in the >>area which professes the ideals of individual liberty and human dignity that >>we hold dear, not because of some spurious link to mideast oil. In article <232@cornell.UUCP> amr@cornell.UUCP (Amr El Abbadi ) writes: >I am sorry to disappoint you, but if you look at what is happening in >the West Bank, you will realize that the "ideals of individual liberty >and human dignity" are being completely disregarded, ^^^^^^^^^^ Not COMPLETELY disregarded. Let's just say heavily compromised. >e.g. it is under semi-permanent occupation, traveling by Arabs is >very much restricted, detentions, blowing-up of houses apply routinely >to Arab "terrorists", and not Israeli "terrorists", etc. Actually, prison, not house-blow-upping, is the punishment for terrorists. Blowing up the house is the punishment for those who harbor terrorists. Furthermore, I read that Israel HAD recently caught and imprisoned a ring of Israeli terrorists. Are they not still in jail? As to the issue of individual liberty -- that applies only to citizens. Most nations monitor the movement of foreign nationals. Of course, if the West Bank Arabs all decided to demand Israeli citizenship, this would force Israel to decide whether they intend to keep the territory indefinitely (in which case citizenship must be granted), or whether the territory is indeed to be returned some day as part of a peace settlement (to the displeasure of the Likud party). Frank Silbermann