Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site pyuxd.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!philabs!cmcl2!seismo!lll-crg!ucdavis!ucbvax!decvax!bellcore!petrus!magic!nvc!sabre!zeta!epsilon!gamma!pyuxww!pyuxd!rlr From: rlr@pyuxd.UUCP (Rich Rosen) Newsgroups: net.religion.christian Subject: Re: Presumptions Message-ID: <2068@pyuxd.UUCP> Date: Wed, 6-Nov-85 23:58:06 EST Article-I.D.: pyuxd.2068 Posted: Wed Nov 6 23:58:06 1985 Date-Received: Sat, 9-Nov-85 06:20:42 EST References: <2802@hplabsc.UUCP> <1100@jhunix.UUCP> Organization: Whatever we're calling ourselves this week Lines: 30 >>What shall we say, then? That God is unjust? Not at all. For he said to >>Moses, "I will have mercy on whom I wish, I will take pity on whom I wish." >>So then, it does not does not depend on what man wants or does, but only on >>God's mercy. [BRENGLE] > Are you trying to tell me that anything God does is automatically good? If > something is injust, it's not magically made just just because God does > it. If God really does things of a type we would consider "unjust" if done > by some other being, then God is evil. If you say that we cannot judge God, > it works both ways--you can't judge him as evil, but you can't judge him as > good either. [KENNETH ARROMDEE] >>For the scripture says to Pharaoh, "I made you king for this >>very purpose, to use you to show my power, and to make my name known in all >>the world." So then, God has mercy on whom he wishes, and he makes stubborn >>whom he wishes. > If God really does what he wishes without regards for right and wrong, then > I cannot consider him a being worthy of worship. > A clay pot is an unthinking object, and it is not right to do something to a > thinking, living being just because it is right to do so to an object. > God being able to do anything he wants to anyone he wants, without regard for > conventional morals because anything he wants to do he automatically defines > as good, is rich glory? Treating you like a clay pot is rich glory? I do not > want to worship any being that treats me like a clay pot. Bravo, Kenneth, for an excellent article!! -- Popular consensus says that reality is based on popular consensus. Rich Rosen pyuxd!rlr