Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.3 4.3bsd-beta 6/6/85; site wucec2.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!mhuxt!houxm!ihnp4!mgnetp!we53!busch!wucs!wucec2!ph From: ph@wucec2.UUCP (Paul Hahn) Newsgroups: net.comics Subject: Re: The Jean Grey Shuffle Message-ID: <1152@wucec2.UUCP> Date: Sat, 2-Nov-85 09:31:56 EST Article-I.D.: wucec2.1152 Posted: Sat Nov 2 09:31:56 1985 Date-Received: Sun, 3-Nov-85 09:39:03 EST References: <878@cvl.UUCP> <2021@reed.UUCP> <317@pedsgd.UUCP> <2037@reed.UUCP> <6078@utzoo.UUCP> <284@dspo.UUCP> Reply-To: ph@wucec2.UUCP (Paul Hahn) Organization: Washington U. in St. Louis Lines: 25 Keywords: Phoenix In article <284@dspo.UUCP> tallman@dspo.UUCP (Charles David tallman) writes: > You are saying in one world >Phoenix appeared as the simulacrum of a cosmic being. In the other, Jean >gained exactly the same powers through radiation. Both later became Dark >Phoenix and behaved exactly the same way (as shown in Rachel's flashbacks >in X-Men #199). This is asking for a lot of coincidences. The simplest >explanation is that the events creating Phoenix were the same in both worlds. First, a small quibble--Rachel's "flashbacks" in #199 are from BOTH universes. Although I believe that Claremont's alternate timeline is just what would have happened without Shooter's interference, that issue is not the reason why. Now, to the main issue--of course it's a ridiculous number of coincidences. Don't blame Claremont for that; blame the X-FACTOR people. Put it this way--do you really think that Claremont buys any of that stuff about Phoenix duplicating Jean? The simplest explanation in my opinion, which I am fairly sure is what Chris is going to do and which I KNOW I am going to do, is to simply ignore the X-FACTOR stuff as much as possible. That means Claremont's version of the origin of Phoenix still holds in Rachel's universe. --pH /* * "She is her mother's daughter, and she has the Phoenix * power." */