Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site rochester.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!philabs!cmcl2!seismo!rochester!ray From: ray@rochester.UUCP (Ray Frank) Newsgroups: net.flame Subject: Re: Possible Ban on Pornography Message-ID: <11617@rochester.UUCP> Date: Fri, 13-Sep-85 11:56:03 EDT Article-I.D.: rocheste.11617 Posted: Fri Sep 13 11:56:03 1985 Date-Received: Thu, 19-Sep-85 00:14:57 EDT References: <369@scirtp.UUCP> <-1988585@sysvis> Organization: U. of Rochester, CS Dept. Lines: 90 > > >>> Subject: DON'T TRY TO BAN PORNOGRAPHY!! IT WON'T WORK!! > >> > >> Just in case no one agrees with what you said in this article, > >> I whole-heartedly AGREE!! I am quite concerned that very few people > >> realize what the effect of banning pornography ... > >> > > Just to balance things out, I disagree. We must ban pornography. ... > > ... Try if you can not to have such GLOBAL thinking processes, i.e. if > > this happens then all that will happen. We as intelligent rational > > beings can surely make guidelines differenciating (sic) between > > watching people take a shit in a porn movie and the more wholesome free > > media enlightening us to local and world events. ... There is an > > organization in Boston who advocates ... ***I say bullshit***. We are > > more intelligent than that, at least most of us are. > > Speaking of bullshit! This last one is a mountainous mouldy meadow muffin. > I, myself, absolutely detest pornography, it makes me sick. At the same > time one of your kind (You "rational being," you) is going to decide WHAT > IS BEST FOR SOMEONE ELSE. Handle your own life, asshole, and leave your > pitiful asinine logic in its original container (your head). If you think > for one minute that the "power" to decide what is best for those other than > yourself is typical or desirable in a free society, then you are deserving of > the punishment of having to learn to think for yourself, and not for others. > If you can't think for yourself and yourself alone, you deserve to be in > a less-than-free society, which is where you will wind up with your attitude. > Get this one straight. The minute that you or anyone else decides what > free choices can be made by others (ANY choices), this FREE society is then > ultimately doomed. Can you say "Gradient Encroachment?" or "precedent?" > I happen to enjoy living in a free society and I don't wish for you or > anyone else to screw it up with such drivel (a.k.a. "rational thinking"). > > Another thing. What is this "we" bullshit? (as in, "WE" must ban porno- > graphy). Is this what you mean by not having "GLOBAL" thinking processes? > I am so glad to hear from someone who has such a thorough command of his > idiom. Maybe you just feel that 50,000 frenchmen can't be wrong? I want > to hear about YOUR thoughts, not the thoughts that you IMPOSE on "others" > (as in "we"). > > Leave pornography, and all the other trash out there. If you don't like > it, don't read it! (I noticed that you are familiar with its content) > But, *MOST IMPORTANTLY*, don't try to tell me or anyone else how to run > their personal lives! Wear someone else's moccasins before you criticize > their choices. If someone is actually impairing your own physical existence, > then kill the bastard(s) but don't try to think for them. You haven't got > the mental or the moral equipment. (By the way, if you would learn to > spell the word "differentiating" and then look it up, you might then be > able to discern just exactly what it is that is being differentiated.) > > ...ihnp4!sys1!sysvis!george (George Robertson) > > P.S. Jerry Falwell is a "pre-James Jones" B.M. (Before the Massacre)! > > Anyone who follows that screwball (in the "free" press) deserves what > they will ultimately wind up with. Funny Kool-Aid and all decisions > made for them. I guess that some people are not willing or able to > take the RESPONSIBILITY for making their OWN decisions and living with > the results therefrom. This also means not accepting the pravda (truth) > from the "free" press or anyone else without questioning its intent. > > Sigh. > What makes YOOOUUUU the spokes person for what people want and don't want. Who asked you to determine what is good or bad for us. You are a manipulated fool, and the sorry thing about it is you don't know it. Hugh Hefner and his types love people like you. What you read and watch in the media is already being manipulated by a handful of people. They ARE determining what is good for us. Wake up for crying out loud and look about you. There is more of a lack of freedom in the media now than ever before, especially on the boob tube. Strange isn't it that Little House On The Prairie type programming is virtually gone and replaced by what would be banned some years ago as decadent. Did you have a choice in this, hell no, you and your defend freedom of the Hefner press types were lead around by the nose like a silly bull waiting to see where you were going and didn't know where you were when you got there. You have been subtley feed on a diet consisting of the unpalatable tastes of a handful of media controlling society hustlers whosystematically gained control of your morals and replaced them with their own value system. Again the very sad thing about this is you think you have control of what you watch and read, but you don't. They do. If people like me have recognized all along what was happening and want to do something about it or at least talk about it, you unknowingly take the side of the very people who have done the most to discredit freedom of expression in this country. They are powerful, rich, and not without tremendous influence and seem somehow unchecked by any value system currently in vogue, but especially they are unchecked by an apathetic public. By the way, it is easy to remain subjective on porn. But would it be just as easy to remain subjective if you saw your daughter or son or any other close relative or loved one being used in a porn movie for the financial gratificationof those handfuls of people who care nothing at all about the public's desires concerning values or morals. They WILL have their way, YOU will not. Unless you realize how badly you've been duped by this very unsavory group of people.