Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site mcnc.mcnc.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!unc!mcnc!bch From: bch@mcnc.UUCP (Byron C. Howes) Newsgroups: net.religion.christian Subject: Re: Gnosticism: Is Satan an intermediary to the ultimate God or not? Message-ID: <860@mcnc.mcnc.UUCP> Date: Tue, 1-Oct-85 11:34:43 EDT Article-I.D.: mcnc.860 Posted: Tue Oct 1 11:34:43 1985 Date-Received: Thu, 3-Oct-85 04:39:34 EDT References: <8508172148.AA02946@sdcc6.ARPA> <308@pyuxn.UUCP> Reply-To: bch@mcnc.UUCP (Byron C. Howes) Organization: North Carolina Educational Computing Service Lines: 23 Summary: In article <361@pyuxn.UUCP> pez@pyuxn.UUCP (Paul Zimmerman) writes: > Saying that "God (the ultimate God or some intermediary OR the >only God, which ever it is) is beyond good and evil" is the same as making >God beyond our judgment, which is what the God whorshipers do. It also >makes assumptions about an ultimate God existing of necessity (and being >``good'') if the God we come into contact with is the pig monster we have >come to know. Perhaps I didn't make myself clear. By "beyond good and evil" I do not mean "greater than good and evil," but rather "something other than good or evil." There is certainly no assumption that the Demiurge is 'good' -- far from it -- nor is there the requirement that the Demiurge be w(h)orshipped. On the other hand the Demiurge isn't evil either. (If this pig-god is truly evil, then he/she/it has a certain lack of imagination. If I were an evil deity I could think of all sorts of terrific things to do to get respect.) At any rate, the objective of at least my flavor of Gnosticism is not to worship, but simply to come to know the Father through myself. -- Byron C. Howes ...!{decvax,akgua}!mcnc!ecsvax!bch