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Subject: Re: "Christian" Nations
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Date: Wed, 25-Sep-85 14:24:00 EDT
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>> [Wingate.]  I'll be the first to concede that the English government has in
>> the past been tyrannous about religion.  But it is hardly so now.  [...]
>  [Maroney.]  You'd think differently if you were a Scientologist.  They are
>              routinely denied visas and their books cannot be distributed.

Sorry, Wingate.  If true, this is certainly religious based harassment.  Old
habits die hard.  However, it is "better" now (for some).  Now ol' Tim turns
right around and does the same thing.  To wit:

> Don't get me wrong;(sic) I despise Scientologists; [Wow!] there's a lot of 
> bad blood between them and Thelemites(?), due to L. Ron stealing(?) large 
> amounts of money and property from Jack Parsons.  But they still have a
> right to follow their moronic(?) religion without [judgmental?] impediment.

       Aren't you lumping ALL (moronic) scientologists together and condemning
them as a group?  Your earlier postings led me to believe that you considered
"lumping" to be less than desirable.  Do you also lump all Baptists with Jerry
Falwell, all atheists with Madeline Murray O'Hare, or all Roman Catholics with
the Pope?  Why is it now okay for you to so lump?  You defended Islam (earlier
postings), without a religious degree in their precepts.  Now you condemn
Scientologists, I presume without a degree in those precepts.  How did you ever
get such a wide ranging knowledge?  Why is it okay for you to JUDGE the Moham-
medans(good), Scientologists(bad), etc. without due process of ideas?   Was the
`theft' by L. Ron alleged, or a court judgment?  Can you, Tim, state just what
it is that you feel is "moronic" about either the Scientologists or their reli-
gion, in the interests of fairness?  I feel that Islam has been covered pretty
well lately, at least up to the point where interested individuals can further
research it on their own.

Don't get the idea that, because *I* attempt, in my own limited way, to defend
religious (and intellectual) freedom of expression on this net, that I feel the
need to adhere to any person/group discussed.  Thereby, I am nipping in the bud
those who wish to write responses full of accusations about my personal loyal-
ties and then condemn me for them.  I stand for INDIVIDUAL freedoms of expres-
sion, discussion, religion, and ideas.  Totally!

                 ...!ihnp4!sys1!sysvis!george
The ideas expressed here are mine.  No one else is responsible for them.