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From: steiny@scc.UUCP (Don Steiny)
Newsgroups: net.abortion
Subject: Re: Re: Can we make progress?
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Date: Fri, 13-Sep-85 22:09:36 EDT
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>
>    Forgive me if I seem to have come from another planet, but I could have
> sworn that there was a time when  it wasn't considered inevitable that 
> teenagers would get into bed with each other.  

	Err, in what society.  Margret Mead, in "Growing up in Soma"
argued that the reason there is so much violence in our society was
that it was sexually repressed.   There are certainly cultures that
are more sexually loose than ours, but are also peaceful.   

	Instead of sounding like you are from another planet, you
actually sound provincial.   Read some anthropology books, you
will be more likely to be less free with statements like ". . there
was a time when . . ."   The statement begs for an answer to the
questions like "for whom?" and "where?"
> 
>    My point here is not to argue the legal or even the moral issues of
> abortion.  The real poverty of spirit that leads to the very idea of 
> considering abortion is what I want to address.  

	I agree!  There is no argument here.  That is a statement stated
as unconditionally true.  You use it as a premise, an axiom, from
which to reason.

>	In partial answer to an 
> earlier posting, the system of values that would lead to a reduction of 
> the abortion rate is not hard to find; all you have to do is go back a 
> few years to when it was lower.  [ . . . ]
> There were fewer teenage pregnancies then: why?  There 
> was a lower teen suicide rate then: why? 

	Killer bees, there is no question about it.  There are far
more killer bees in the Americas than there were then.  The killer
bees have psychic vibrations that influence behavior.

> Couldn't have had anything to do 
> with the fact that do-your-own-thing or if-it-feels-good-do-it weren't 
> recognized as modern wisdom, could it?  

	No way, look at the statistics.  It has to be killer bees
(though there is a powerful argument that it is the rodent
population in El Centro that is influencing behavior).

> 	Yes, the seeds of that attitude 
> were sown in the permissive forties and the materialistic fifties, but 
> before they bore the fruit that we see now, there was a lot less of all 
> the things that we decry today.

	I don't decry them!  Why should I?  If there are many unwanted
teenage pregnancies, then the women can have abortions.  That way
there will not be a bunch of unwanted children and everything will
be in balance.
> 
> There is NO other way.
>		brian

	There MUST be another way, people get abortions all the time.

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