Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.3 4.3bsd-beta 6/6/85; site ucbvax.ARPA Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!ucbvax!mcgeer From: mcgeer@ucbvax.ARPA (Rick McGeer) Newsgroups: net.politics.theory Subject: Re: Re: (micromotives & macrobehavior) Message-ID: <10414@ucbvax.ARPA> Date: Tue, 17-Sep-85 21:59:12 EDT Article-I.D.: ucbvax.10414 Posted: Tue Sep 17 21:59:12 1985 Date-Received: Thu, 19-Sep-85 05:15:48 EDT References: <3476@topaz.UUCP> <28200078@inmet.UUCP> <755@cybvax0.UUCP> Reply-To: mcgeer@ucbvax.UUCP (Rick McGeer) Organization: University of California at Berkeley Lines: 18 In article <755@cybvax0.UUCP> mrh@cybvax0.UUCP (Mike Huybensz) writes: > >Distribution may take care of itself if there is enough wealth, but only if >the powerful and wealthy are willing to allow it or subsidize it. There >are too many examples of export of food from famine areas by force of arms >or force of market. The poor in a subsistance economy cannot outbid the >rich for foodstuffs, even if the rich wish to feed it to pigs. You know, Mike, I'm going to write a mail demon that watches for news articles from you and posts a reply to each one, containing the article and a one-word reply: "EVIDENCE?". So I'll ask again: do you have any evidence of the poor being outbid by the rich for food, so that the rich can feed it to the hogs? The *only* case of starvation in the face of food surplus that I know of was the starvation of the Kulaks by Stalin in the 30's. In fact, the only cases of famine in this century have been in Marxist or Socialist nations, as far as I know. Do you know of any cases of famine in capitalist nations? -- Rick.