Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.3 4.3bsd-beta 6/6/85; site ucbvax.ARPA Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!mhuxt!houxm!ihnp4!ucbvax!columbia.edu!OC.GARLAND%CU20B From: OC.GARLAND%CU20B@COLUMBIA.EDU (Richard Garland) Newsgroups: fa.info-vax Subject: Re: Macsyma (again) Message-ID: <12146992043.19.OC.GARLAND@CU20B.ARPA> Date: Sat, 28-Sep-85 22:20:09 EDT Article-I.D.: CU20B.12146992043.19.OC.GARLAND Posted: Sat Sep 28 22:20:09 1985 Date-Received: Mon, 30-Sep-85 01:16:23 EDT References: <#D14%DDATHD21.BITNET@WISCVM.ARPA> Sender: daemon@ucbvax.ARPA Reply-To: info-vax@ucb-vax.arpa Organization: The ARPA Internet Lines: 21 If I may paraphrase what I believe the outstanding question from Reinhard Goeth is: "How can Macsyma work without Eunice up and running?" The answer to this is that the Macsyma Image is produced (by Franz Lisp) so as to include the complete run-time part of Eunice built in. It looks basically like a core dump (sorry - I really was around when memory was magnetic core). It does not require any external support to run. The need for Eunice is one of *licensing* not actually having it running. Since Eunice is built in, Symbolics Inc. requires you to have a Eunice license or to pay for a sort of run time Eunice license. Incidently, many versions of Goseling Emacs I have seen, also have a part of Eunice built in, but will run on a system without Eunice running. Hope this helps, since the initial query about Macsyma was mine (at least this go round). Rg -------