Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site pyuxd.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!gamma!pyuxww!pyuxd!rlr From: rlr@pyuxd.UUCP (Rich Rosen) Newsgroups: net.religion.christian Subject: Re: Reply to Jon Gallagher Message-ID: <1711@pyuxd.UUCP> Date: Sun, 15-Sep-85 22:43:06 EDT Article-I.D.: pyuxd.1711 Posted: Sun Sep 15 22:43:06 1985 Date-Received: Tue, 17-Sep-85 04:24:55 EDT References: <317@drutx.UUCP> <320@pyuxn.UUCP> <222@ptsfb.UUCP> <343@pyuxn.UUCP> <1165@wucs.UUCP> Organization: Whatever we're calling ourselves this week Lines: 32 > In article <343@pyuxn.UUCP>, pez@pyuxn.UUCP (Paul Zimmerman) writes: >> ... But then you go off on an obscure tangent. You ask about soothing >> voices from within us, our civilized behavior, and charity, and you assume >> all this comes from God? Jon, all this is what is within us naturally as >> human beings! Certainly none of us needs to be attributed to what we know > ^^ ^^^^ > No. what *you claim*. [STEVE SWOPE] > >> to be a hideous Damager-God. You say that ``if [I] posit such a creature >> [as the Damager-God] then it is responsible for our existence.'' How can >> you claim this? > > If you claim that a damager-god created us to suffer (for its enjoyment), you > imply that whatever is within us was created by it as well. Paul, to my knowledge, has persistently claimed just the opposite. Why are you bothering to speculate that this might have bearing on what he has said? > If you claim that it did not create us, but merely tortures us, you ignore the > possibility of there being another power, one that is good and creative by > nature (as opposed to evil and destructive). And if such a power exists, it > will of necessity be at odds with the destroyer. It seems more likely that > the damager-god is an alias used by Satan than that Satan is an alias used by > the damager-god. Why does it seem "more likely"? Don't you mean "equally likely"? If not, why not? Paul's story seems just as plausible as yours. Maybe more so. Unless, of course, you work from certain assumptions. It seems that Paul does. It seems that you do as well, at least as much so as Paul. -- Life is complex. It has real and imaginary parts. Rich Rosen ihnp4!pyuxd!rlr