Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/5/84; site psuvax1.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!philabs!cmcl2!seismo!rochester!cmu-cs-pt!cadre!psuvax1!berman From: berman@psuvax1.UUCP (Piotr Berman) Newsgroups: net.politics.theory Subject: Re: Re: (micromotives & macrobehavior) Message-ID: <1807@psuvax1.UUCP> Date: Fri, 20-Sep-85 16:31:37 EDT Article-I.D.: psuvax1.1807 Posted: Fri Sep 20 16:31:37 1985 Date-Received: Wed, 25-Sep-85 12:04:13 EDT References: <3476@topaz.UUCP> <28200078@inmet.UUCP> <755@cybvax0.UUCP> <10414@ucbvax.ARPA> Organization: Pennsylvania State Univ. Lines: 26 > In article <755@cybvax0.UUCP> mrh@cybvax0.UUCP (Mike Huybensz) writes: > > > >Distribution may take care of itself if there is enough wealth, but only if > >the powerful and wealthy are willing to allow it or subsidize it. There > >are too many examples of export of food from famine areas by force of arms > >or force of market. The poor in a subsistance economy cannot outbid the > >rich for foodstuffs, even if the rich wish to feed it to pigs. > > You know, Mike, I'm going to write a mail demon that watches for news articles > from you and posts a reply to each one, containing the article and a one-word > reply: "EVIDENCE?". So I'll ask again: do you have any evidence of the poor > being outbid by the rich for food, so that the rich can feed it to the hogs? > The *only* case of starvation in the face of food surplus that I know of was > the starvation of the Kulaks by Stalin in the 30's. In fact, the only cases > of famine in this century have been in Marxist or Socialist nations, as far as > I know. Do you know of any cases of famine in capitalist nations? > > -- Rick. You do not read net carefully Rick. Potato famine in Ireland was already quoted. As another example one could quote Brazil, with recurring famines in her North-East and consistent export of agricultural products. There was a famine there very recently, in fact. If one would dig for examples, there would be quite a few. Piotr