Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/5/84; site mnetor.UUCP Path: utzoo!utcs!mnetor!fred From: fred@mnetor.UUCP (Fred Williams) Newsgroups: can.politics Subject: Re: A naval presence in the arctic Message-ID: <2196@mnetor.UUCP> Date: Tue, 17-Sep-85 10:18:39 EDT Article-I.D.: mnetor.2196 Posted: Tue Sep 17 10:18:39 1985 Date-Received: Tue, 17-Sep-85 11:20:15 EDT References: <1386@utcsri.UUCP> <5952@utzoo.UUCP> <820@water.UUCP> <5965@utzoo.UUCP> Reply-To: fred@mnetor.UUCP (Fred Williams) Organization: Computer X (CANADA) Ltd., Toronto, Ontario, Canada Lines: 42 Summary: In article <5965@utzoo.UUCP> henry@utzoo.UUCP (Henry Spencer) writes: >You're letting your biases show, Fred. The general air of mismanagement >and bungling of the US military is not universal. I meant no slight on the US military, they have enough problems. I did think that people would be careful when building nuclear power plants whoever they were. I forgot that humans seem to have this tremendous capacity for stupidity, you could be right. But I don't think we should get involved with nuclear plants at all, exactly because we have this tremendous capacity for stupidity! >... The Three Mile Island The Three Mile Island >incident would not have been one-tenth as serious if the stupid operators >had simply kept their hands off and let the automatic machinery do its job! Good point if it is true! >The arsenic compounds and other chemical toxins in stack-scrubber sludge >are composed of stable elements; they will be around *forever*!!!... Forever is a long time, but I can allow that they can be a nuisance for quite a while. I was just talking with Chris Lewis, (who, by the way, says he will probably unsubscribe), and he mentioned that the US kills 30000 people a year, in fact I think he posted it recently, also. This due to stack scrubber waste. So, OK guys I agree that something should be done about this also, but I don't think that the solution is nuclear power. Hydro power, and solar power are reasonably clean, although, just about anything we do on a massive scale is going to impact on the environment. The best solution that I can see is to reduce our demands for energy and make significant changes to our lifestyles. If we cannot get enough energy to support ourselves without doing major damage to the planet, then the planet will simply not support our numbers! So the best thing we can do is use birth control until there are not enough of us to do major damage. Yes I realise that there is about as much chance of this happening as Reagan declaring unilateral disarmament, but the Chinese are vigorously enforcing the one child family, a move that I applaud as being one of the most intelligent I have seen yet. -- Cheers, Fred Williams, UUCP: {allegra, linus, ihnp4}!utzoo!mnetor!fred BELL: (416)-475-8980 ext. 318