Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84 (Fortune 01.1b1); site graffiti.UUCP Path: utzoo!decvax!ucbvax!ucdavis!lll-crg!mordor!ut-sally!graffiti!peter From: peter@graffiti.UUCP (Peter da Silva) Newsgroups: net.politics.theory Subject: Re: Taxation is theft Message-ID: <210@graffiti.UUCP> Date: Tue, 17-Sep-85 15:58:11 EDT Article-I.D.: graffiti.210 Posted: Tue Sep 17 15:58:11 1985 Date-Received: Thu, 19-Sep-85 01:19:05 EDT References: <955@umcp-cs.UUCP> <1110@umcp-cs.UUCP> Distribution: na Organization: The Power Elite, Houston, TX Lines: 61 A few comments on social contracts from one who is in the process of reneg- otiating his: > > > You are free to remain within or > > >leave the social contract agreed to by you by your residency in the US. > > > > Please note the implicit assumption that some condition into which > > you were born is considered equivalent to your signing a contract. > > Mr. Huybenz might as well have said "You are free to remain within > > or leave the contract of servitude agreed to by you by your being black." > > (to leave by the same means, altering the condition of your birth). > > I think I'm going to treasure a number of your responses (like the above > paragraph) that I'm answering here, because they are precisely the kinds > of responses I've given you as examples of unjustness of libertaria. > > Let's put aside (for the moment) the problem of new citizens (which > hypothetical libertarias don't seem to handle well.) You are now an > adult. You can come and go as you will. So why isn't the social > contract entirely voluntary? In the absence of a libertaria to emigrate to you can't regard the social contract as voluntary. There does not exist the option of negotiating with your feet that you seem to assume. I have come to the states because it is the nearest approach to a free society that I have been able to find. It is interesting to note that whenever a Libertaria attempts to form, for example in southern California, it gets squashed by the state which insists on enforcing the social contract on a group of people who have unanimously rejected it. This happens to both left-wing and right-wing Libertaria. > Guess what: we already have most of that. I've seen quite a number of > reports from many sources evaluating the relative merits of the 50 states > (and numerous nations) in all the categories above. Moving between > states is as effortless as you wish. Moving between many nations is only > a little more difficult. Speaking as one who has recently moved between nations, let me just note that moving between nations is an extremely difficult task even for a country as free as this. I would like to suggest you try it some time. > But keep in mind that the provider of services > should not be coerced into accepting you as a customer for one of their > social contracts. If they don't like your race or nationality or religion > or language or job, they should be able to arbitrarily refuse to make a > contract with you. So you mustn't complain if you cannot get to be a > resident or citizen of any particular nation. And what happened to "free and equal" partners? > > Try taking your own words at face value, Mike. What if government > > really *were* a matter of voluntary contract? If you find it > > impossible to say what you mean, have a go at meaning what you say. > > In the US and a number of other nations, government effectively is a > matter of voluntary contract (for adults.) You still haven't shown me > any evidence to the contrary. Try renegotiating your social contract by any means, and see how voluntary it really is.