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From: csdf@mit-vax.UUCP (Charles Forsythe)
Newsgroups: net.women
Subject: Re: men dominate net.women (flame-ish)
Message-ID: <689@mit-vax.UUCP>
Date: Thu, 22-Aug-85 01:38:45 EDT
Article-I.D.: mit-vax.689
Posted: Thu Aug 22 01:38:45 1985
Date-Received: Sun, 25-Aug-85 02:17:44 EDT
References: <175@drutx.UUCP> <231@whuts.UUCP> <2674@sun.uucp>
Reply-To: csdf@mit-vax.UUCP (Charles Forsythe)
Organization: MIT, Cambridge, MA
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Caution! The following article contains language suitable only for REAL
MEN, and hairy lesbian feminists.

In article <2674@sun.uucp> Ms. Sunny Kirsten overgeneralizes:
>Power is the domain of men.

>The entire net is dominated by men struggling for power.

>And that is why there are so few women posting in this forum.  Because
>the kind of communication which is cooperative and sharing, the kind
>which comes naturally to women, is impossible whenever the men join in
>too.

>And most of these people are men.  Ones with an overdose of
>testosterone.

I refuse to believe that I am incapable of being "cooperative and
sharing" just because I don't have a womb. I also refuse to believe it
comes naturally to women. Did "nurturing" come naturally to:
	Queen Victoria
	The Bitch of Buchenwald
	   ....

I don't think so, unless you considering killing innocent people to
make their tattoos into lampshades a "nurturing" act. Or maybe the
suppression of freedom of expression is your boat?

It really gets me when some "liberated woman" tells me I'm a violent,
dominating asshole and that she, by virtue of a pair of breasts, is
somehow superior to me.

Women were given the right to vote in the 20's because it was felt their
"cooperative and nurturing" forced would help politics. It's first real
demonstration was when the "Women's Christian Temperance Union" managed
to push through prohibition. This merely nurtured the mafia and set up
decades of fucked-up attitudes and policies concerning alcohol.

The point is that women, at most, are equal to men. 

>They happen to be the warm nurturing cooperative sensitive kind of males
>who don't dominate the discussion, and become angry and contentious.  I
>love this kind of male.

I love people who agree with me, too. Does this mean I have to get the
"Sunny Seal of Approval" in order to be a "good male?" Kinda makes me
wish I'd been born a woman. That way, I could be a murderer and I'd
still get it automatically.


>HATRED, ANGER, DOMINANCE will destroy this planet.
>LOVE, CARING, NURTURING, SHARING, and LETTING GO of POWER
>are the only pathways which will support or enhance life.

:-(
Thankyou for showing me what "LOVE, CARING, NURTURING, SHARING" really
means, Sunny. I almost thought you were making an angry attack on the
male gender. I guess I was wrong, because you are a "CARING" woman.
:-(

Seriously, you spewed a lot of HATE in your posting. I don't give a damn
whether or not it was "justified" but your stupid generalizations hurt
me and made me PISSED OFF. So now, I'm giving you back some hate. That's
the way hate works.

I subscribed to net.women because of an interest in womens' issues and
feminism at large. I am, however, unsubscribing because I don't want to
deal with your hatred and resentment.

Oh, I'll still be interested in feminism, and I'll still support the
same feminist organizations, but I will probably want to deal with fewer
feminist women -- I've begun to discover that they are narrowminded
assholes as well.

 Fuck you and the white horse you rode in on, Sunny.
-- 
Charles Forsythe
CSDF@MIT-VAX
"We pray to Fred for the Hopelessly Normal
	Have they not suffered enough?"

from _The_Nth_Psalm_ in _The_Book_of_Fred_