Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site linus.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!cv From: cv@linus.UUCP (Chris J. Valas) Newsgroups: net.music Subject: Re: NEW ORDER Tour (reviews, please?) Message-ID: <493@linus.UUCP> Date: Mon, 12-Aug-85 10:41:54 EDT Article-I.D.: linus.493 Posted: Mon Aug 12 10:41:54 1985 Date-Received: Tue, 13-Aug-85 04:14:32 EDT References: <1071@ames.UUCP> <4000011@rocksvax.UUCP> Reply-To: cv@linus.UUCP (Chris J. Valas) Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA Lines: 52 Keywords: The point, the whole point, and nothing but the point. -=- In article <4000011@rocksvax.UUCP> dave@rocksvax.UUCP writes: >I saw them last week in Toronto. etc., etc. >Bottom line, if you are real hardcore New Order fan see it, but it wouldn't >convince anyone to be one if they weren't one to start. > >Dave > Since New Order eschew popularity and the admiration of idiots, this sort of attitude can be expected for the duration of their tour. Personally, I think their show was great, but then I was paying attention. I agree with Dave: they'll win no new converts with this tour. On the other hand, for the 'true hardcore New Order fan', who cares more about the music and the message than being catered to, this tour is not to be missed ... A high point of the show came when the crowd was trying to sing along to one of the songs from "Power, Corruption, and Lies". Bernie leaned over and, slanting the lyrics of the song, told the crowd, "You get these words wrong, you stupid *bastards*." If you didn't already know the lyrics and the point of the song, you'd miss the irony. The crowd obviously missed it, because they continued to sing stupidly along. This comment, and the crowd's lack of reaction, were alone worth the price of admission. Another subtlety lost on the crowd: just before the intro music to the second song, the drummer started beating out the intro to "Atrocity Exhibition" from Joy Division's "Closer" album. The segue into the song they were really going to play, from "Low-life", was seamless. This prelude so struck me that I realized New Order wanted the current song to be interpreted in the light of what the other song had said. There were other examples of musical cross-referencing during the show, but most of these were so oblique that only people who have followed these guys since JD days could follow the pointers. These are the kinds of things a real fanatic goes to hear, and remember! The point, the point of the show, the point of this posting: If you loved JD, if you love New Order, Go, go, go, and listen... Chris J. Valas {decvax,utzoo,philabs,security,allegra,genrad}!linus!cv -=- "On a thousand islands in the sea, I see a hundred people just like me..."