Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site decwrl.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!philabs!cmcl2!seismo!lll-crg!dual!ucbvax!decwrl!clark@grdian.DEC (Dave Clark, 283-6322) From: clark@grdian.DEC (Dave Clark, 283-6322) Newsgroups: net.flame Subject: Re: bombing begins in 5 minutes Message-ID: <26@decwrl.UUCP> Date: Tue, 20-Aug-85 09:19:52 EDT Article-I.D.: decwrl.26 Posted: Tue Aug 20 09:19:52 1985 Date-Received: Fri, 23-Aug-85 20:09:27 EDT Sender: daemon@decwrl.UUCP Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation Lines: 330 From: ASHBY::USENET "USENET Newsgroup Distributor 17-Aug-1985 2023" 17-AUG-1985 20:22 To: @[.net.flame]NEWS.DIS Subj: USENET net.flame newsgroup articles Newsgroups: net.flame Path: decwrl!decvax!harpo!whuxlm!whuxl!houxm!mhuxt!mhuxr!ulysses!gamma!pyuxww!pyuxii!tw8023 Subject: Re: bombing begins in 5 minutes Posted: Organization: Bell Communications Research, Piscataway N.J. For crying out loud, Clark, grow up. The election has been over for 9 months. Your posting was nothing more than sour grapes. T. C. Wheeler Newsgroups: net.flame Path: decwrl!decvax!harpo!whuxlm!whuxl!houxm!vax135!petsd!petfe!evan Subject: Tom Lehrer Posted: Organization: Perkin-Elmer DSG, Tinton Falls, N.J. This info about Tom Lehrer teaching music now, instead of math is news to this fan. The only real news I can offer is old, but some people may not be aware of the Broadway Show produced about 2 years ago. It was called Tomfoolery (off-Broadway, actually), and they sang all of his songs, along with one that had never been released, called I Got It From Agnes, about (presumably) VD. There is also a book called Too Many Songs by Tom Lehrer, which has music and lyrics to all of his songs. It was released in conjunction with the show. He did not perform in the show, and I believe all he did was give them permission to perform it. He was seen there, however, opening night. --Evan Marcus -- {ucbvax|decvax}!vax135!petsd!petfe!evan ...!pedsgd!pedsga!evan You know what I hate more than anything? Indian givers. No, I take that back. Newsgroups: net.flame Path: decwrl!decvax!tektronix!hplabs!sdcrdcf!trwrb!trwrba!cepu!dowdy Subject: Home boys!! Posted: Organization: VA Wadsworth Med. Center; LA CA Xref: tektronix net.flame:12163 Summary: Yo!! Whas'up.. Is the beat fresh...?? Any homeboys in net land ?? Rock Master DJ Newsgroups: net.flame Path: decwrl!decvax!harpo!whuxlm!whuxl!houxm!ihnp4!inuxc!pur-ee!CS-Mordred!Pucc-H:Pucc-I:Pucc-K:rsk Subject: Today's hit list Posted: Organization: Purdue University Keywords: target practice Here is today's list of people who should be shot through the lungs: 1. Anyone introducing another brand of wine cooler. 2. Anyone performing street maintenance before 8 am. 3. The MTV veejay staff. (for their assinine antics during "Live Aid") 4. Anyone owning a pickup that has been jacked several feet off the ground and equipped with huge tires--but who lives in an urban area. Extra shots for those who also have lighthouse-grade extra headlights. 5. Anyone who posts an article with the line "REPLACE THIS LINE WITH YOUR MESSAGE" still in it. 6. Gary Dee, the Chicago deejay whose vituperative racial slurs pollute the airwaves weekday mornings. 7. Pee Wee Herman. Just on general principles. 8. The staff of "Multi-Solutions, Inc.", whose perjorative comments about Unix accompanied announcements of their vaporware, "S1". 9. Whoever it is that stuffs half a dozen subscription applications into every copy of Scientific American (including subscription copies). 10. Anyone who complains about Unix documentation without reading it first. High on this list is Donald Norman, author of "The Trouble with Unix", which ran in Datamation a couple of years back. -- Rich Kulawiec rsk@{pur-ee,purdue}.uucp, rsk@purdue-asc.csnet rsk@purdue-asc.arpa or rsk@asc.purdue.edu Newsgroups: net.flame,net.politics Path: decwrl!decvax!harpo!whuxlm!whuxl!houxm!mhuxt!rduxb!aluxe!cam Subject: Re: The role of America in world hunger & red spread Posted: Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Allentown, PA > > [Todd Jones] > > Au contraire, I stated the primary reason for poverty is the > > resource drain from these countries to America and Europe. > ----------------------------------- > The above statement is WRONG! WRONG! WRONG! > Boy, we sure have impoverished Saudi Arabia and Kuwait by draining their > resources. Even if we exempt oil producing countries, the least poor > third world countries tend to be those with the most per capita exports > to the developed world. The very poorest countries have little to export. > I suppose if Bangla Desh and Upper Volta stopped their already meager > exports to the West they would blossom overnight. > -- > Bill Tanenbaum - AT&T Bell Labs - Naperville IL ihnp4!ihlpg!tan I believe the situation Todd talked about is a little different than the one you are discussing. Exports of bananas, or pineapples do bring in some cash to these countries, but they are luxury items, not necessities such as oil which is a megabucks business. The monies made on these luxury crops most likely go to some upper class type who owns the plantation, or farm, and then some small part filters down to the "peasant" laborer. Because many staple items are not grown in said country in order to make room for the export crops, they must be imported or suffer ahigher price tag since they are probably scarce in said country. The landowner can then probably afford to buy these staples at the higher price, since he/she has made mucho dollars exporting the luxury crops, but the poor folk cannot afford to buy the now inflated price staple items - they are making some income on the exports, but not enough to buy what they need. The problem is quite complex indeed. ....but we helped to make it, and we can help to break it. cam Newsgroups: net.flame Path: decwrl!decvax!harpo!whuxlm!whuxl!houxm!ihnp4!laidbak!jeq Subject: Re: Today's hit list Posted: Organization: LAI Chicago Keywords: target practice Summary: In article <1222@pucc-k> rsk@pucc-k.UUCP (Wombat) writes: > >Here is today's list of people who should be shot through the lungs: ... > 6. Gary Dee, the Chicago deejay whose vituperative racial slurs > pollute the airwaves weekday mornings. Please! Don't attribute him to Chicago. He was brought in from elsewhere. (Of course, that doesn't say much for the folks who brought him here.) During one listener phone call some time back: Man on phone: Well, Gary, I just recently discovered that my wife is having an affair with.. Gary Dee: Shoot 'em! Blow 'em both to Kingdom Come! (Shotgun sound effect.) Some dj's manage to pull off this kind of humor. I got the impression that some of his listeners take the whole thing seriously. ("Gee, Gary, I love your show. Especially when you talk about killing those un-American folks who fornicate out of wedlock....") This holier-than-thou God bless the right-thinkers brand of broadcasting is no less than subversive! I used to listen to that station in the morning (I happen to enjoy country music once in a while), but I found it too unsettling to start the day with hate and violence. (And I enjoy violent TV with the best of them.) **Damn!** > 7. Pee Wee Herman. Just on general principles. No, he shouldn't be shot through the lungs. Just put to sleep. Jonathan E. Quist ihnp4!laidbak!jeq ``I deny this is a disclaimer.'' Newsgroups: net.flame Path: decwrl!decvax!harpo!whuxlm!whuxl!houxm!ihnp4!gargoyle!sphinx!mmar Subject: Re: $1.4M for hitting a cow (Lawsuits and judges that piss me off) Posted: Organization: U Chicago -- Linguistics Dept Okay, it sounds excessive. But before we agree on that all the way, why didn't you say anything about the injuries that plaintiff sustained or claimed that she had? Or are you saying that the owner of the land (& the cow) has no responsibility in the matter anyway? -- -- Mitch Marks @ UChicago ...ihnp4!gargoyle!sphinx!mmar Newsgroups: net.flame,net.politics,net.legal,net.auto Path: decwrl!decvax!harpo!whuxlm!whuxl!houxm!ihnp4!gargoyle!sphinx!mmar Subject: Re: Re: DWI Crackdowns Posted: Organization: U Chicago -- Linguistics Dept > Here in New Jersey, we HAVE a law against driving without > liability insurance. And we STILL pay (through the nose, > mind you) for uninsured (and underinsured) motorist coverage. > > But according to the law, there ain't no such animal as an > uninsured motorist. (They must think we import them from > Illinois. :-)) > Scott J. Berry Uhhhh... gosh, Scott, I thought people do still drive across state lines. Oh, sorry, I hadn't opened today's mail yet, and here it is -- my Internal Passport. Now I understand. -- -- Mitch Marks @ UChicago ...ihnp4!gargoyle!sphinx!mmar Newsgroups: net.politics,net.flame Path: decwrl!decvax!harpo!whuxlm!whuxl!houxm!ihnp4!gargoyle!sphinx!mmar Subject: Re: Belated Good Wishes! Posted: Organization: U Chicago -- Linguistics Dept Ken, you're stuffing a lot of irrelevancies on top of the issue. Most of the points you raise I can either agree with, or set aside as too hard to settle, and *still* find this anniversary something to lament. In particular: 1. I entirely agree that the Axis side was wrong and the Allied side was right, in some quite solid sense that is happy with these absolute judgments. Does anybody seriously question this? No; so it doesn't require the heat and detail you give it. 2. It is not easy to say whether the use of the A-bomb was necessary in the situation as it stood at the time; or even whether, if not necessary, it was justifiable. My inclination is to say that it was unnecessary, but justifiable. Your inclination, apparently, is to say that it was necessary. I don't want to start an argument on the substantive points, but I do object to your apparent view that it's easily settled. It's not, it's a hard question. That's why there isn't a clear historical consensus. In any case, settling this point isn't necessary. Let us even, for the sake of argument, grant it your way. Then the lamentation over the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki is purely hindsight, and is not a deep moral judgment upon those who had to make the decision at the time. 'Just hindsight': but hindsight is powerful and worthy. What we are so worked up about on this anniversary (those of us who are worked up) is based on something we know now, but they didn't know then, and we can't blame them for not knowing -- that nuclear weapons are a lively and active threat to our civilization and perhaps to the survival of our species. What we're talking about here is the future. We're most of all lamenting the future possibility of nuclear war, and on this occasion doing so by looking at the one time in the past when that which we dread actually happened...in miniature, and in a different context, but nonetheless a real case of the same thing. To use nuclear weapons today would be a dreadfully immoral thing, a crime against humanity. Rendering that judgment in today's situation does not mean that we cast the same condemnation upon HST and his advisers. But with that proviso in mind, what's wrong with our using this anniversary -- this year and every year -- to say "It happened once, let it never again come to pass"? That's what the fuss is about, that's what we're tearing our hair about, and none of this is changed by reciting and weighing up the cruelties of all aspects of World War II. -- -- Mitch Marks @ UChicago ...ihnp4!gargoyle!sphinx!mmar Newsgroups: net.flame,net.politics Path: decwrl!decvax!dartvax!psc70!tos Subject: Re: The role of America in world hunger & red spread Posted: Organization: Plymouth State College, Plymouth, NH Of course hunger & poverty couldn't be reduced in the direct sense by stopping the use of tropical lands to grow crops for ourselves. The people who were once growing their own food on those lands and were driven off it by the huge agribusinesses or their own larger landowners are now in the shantytowns of Rio de Janeiro, Mexico City, Guadelajara, Monterrey, etc. and will obviously not return to the land that easily. That doesn't change the fact that they were once "subsistence-level" peasants, i.e. people who didn't really take part in the cash economy, but basically fed and clothed themselves. But because we like bananas, and e.g. we like to eat tomatoes year-round (something that was unheard of when I was a youngster in the 20's) such people were either driven up into the hills trying to cultivate rockpiles (and hence more amenable to recruitment by guerrilla bands) or went to the nearest big city and squatted and built a shanty. Tom Schlesinger Plymouth State College Plymouth, NH 03256 Newsgroups: net.flame,net.bizarre Path: decwrl!sun!qubix!t12tst!seshadri Subject: Re: Demise of net.bizarre (hopefully premature) Posted: Organization: Intel Microprocessor Mfg, Santa Clara Xref: sun net.flame:11290 net.bizarre:542 > "A cynic is someone who knows the price of everything and the value > of nothing" -- Professor Charlie Green (in Gary Trudeau's Doonesbury) > The author of the quote is Oscar Wilde. -- Raghu Seshadri Newsgroups: net.flame,net.politics Path: decwrl!ucbvax!decvax!dartvax!psc70!tos Subject: Re: The role of America in world hunger & red spread Posted: Organization: Plymouth State College, Plymouth, NH Xref: ucbvax net.flame:9825 net.politics:9799 The exchange re. "resource drain" mostly indicates how foolish it is to venture generalizations about two-thirds, app. 110, of the countries in the world.