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From: lief@hpfcla.UUCP
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Subject: Handwaving
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Date: Tue, 13-Aug-85 10:22:00 EDT
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Posted: Tue Aug 13 10:22:00 1985
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> [Bill Jefferys]
>Let me give you an example.  Henry Morris wants to explain the entire
>geologic column, including the Grand Canyon, by the Noachian Deluge.
>He waves his hands, calls the rain out of nowhere, makes the water
>disappear into nowhere, and presto!  The geologic column.  No calculations.
>No hydrodynamics, no hydrology, no physics, just a bunch of words.  WHERE,
>IN ALL THE CREATIONIST LITERATURE, IS THERE EVEN AN ATTEMPT TO DEAL
>WITH THIS FUNDAMENTAL CREATIONIST ASSERTION USING THE TOOLS OF PHYSICS?
>Answer: Nowhere will you find it.  That's why one can't credit this
>idea with being scientific.

     Right now I am in the process of reading "The Genesis Flood" by Morris.
To assert that he "waves his hands, calls the rain out of nowhere, makes the
water disappear into nowhere, and presto!  The geologic column"... I would
assume that you have read it.  The only thing is, I don't find that to be
the case at all.  If by handwaving you mean he calls into play the power of
God, then I can understand where you are coming from, even if I don't agree
with you.

     By the way, could you give me the calculations and physics involved
in explaining to me why the bumble-bee can fly?  Or why man uses less than
1/6 th of his brain?  Or perhaps share with us the chemical formula and
the synthetic equations needed to produce life from non life?  Perhaps
give us the calculations that tell us why this planet has an atmosphere
of Nitrogen and Oxygen and the others don't.  How about using the "TOOLS
OF PHYSICS" to tell me why I am writing this?

     I predict that you will give me nothing more than handwaving!

Lief Sorensen
HP Fort Collins, CO
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