Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site rochester.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!decvax!genrad!panda!talcott!harvard!seismo!rochester!ray From: ray@rochester.UUCP (Ray Frank) Newsgroups: net.abortion Subject: Re: Planned Parenthood posting Message-ID: <11092@rochester.UUCP> Date: Fri, 16-Aug-85 12:00:38 EDT Article-I.D.: rocheste.11092 Posted: Fri Aug 16 12:00:38 1985 Date-Received: Wed, 21-Aug-85 06:12:08 EDT References: <639@ttidcc.UUCP> <10929@rochester.UUCP> <1473@pyuxd.UUCP> <11043@rochester.UUCP> <635@mit-vax.UUCP> Organization: U. of Rochester, CS Dept. Lines: 76 > > >To blazes with the petty concern of parents wishing to buffer their > >children from the horrors of the real world till their old enough to > >understand. > Charles Forsythe comments: > Case in point: > When I was little, my parents said,"Stay away from the deep end, > until you know how to swim! You might drown!" (Horrid parents!) > > My neighbor's parents would get the Ray Seal of Approval. They > told their kids,"Don't go to the deep end! There are monsters > in it!" > Hopefully in either case, no kid drowned. BECAUSE they believed what their parents. > > >But on the whole, the responsibility of children rests on the parents, > >it has always worked just fine that way. > > Oh really? Then how come we have so many messed up kids in this world? > They didn't start out that way -- it can't be their fault. What about > the kids of the strictest parents who get pregnant or into drug habits? > Ask Osie the crazy rock star who eats bats on stage, or all the other crazy lunatic acid rock that promotes crazed sex, orgies, drugs, violence, murder, etc. Ask the drug dealers who slime around playgrounds giving drugs to 4th graders. Or ask the adults who do drugs in front of children. Ask the senile justices on the Supreme Court about the effect of porno shops on every street corner in just about any neighborhood. Their response:"snoor." The way things are going Captain Kangaroo is liable to have an 'R' rating in the murky future. > Ray is telling us: PP exists, therefore teenage sexual activity > increases. Had control back to the parents and everything will be "just > fine." I reiterate: If kids didn't need guidance, there wouldn't be a > planned parenthood! > If kids didn't need guidance, there would't be a need for parents. > >Someone said, I don't remember who, but I agree whole heartedly, "The > >way to destroy a society is to erode its base, which in essence is the > >family." > > This idea is deeply buried in Hebrew/Christian tradition. This is not to > say it's wrong a priori, but to point out that it is a cultural > assumption. > Are you for a moment suggesting that families didn't exist intimately until the advent of Christianity? That families didn't make up the back bone of societies? I'm not at all sure what you are trying to saying here. > Some families work out, others don't. Some families that "do everything > together" are not nearly as close as some families "that never even eat > dinner at the same time." The "back to the family" movement may have > it's good points, but anyone who believes that it will "save America" is > being led by the emotional "standing tall" sensationalism that put > Ronnie in office in the first place (not that his opponents were any > good...) > True some families don't work out, so what else is new? Again you are making some sort of strange inference that if familes are strangers they will be closer than if they are not strangers. If this is true than single people with no family who are strangers in a new neighbor- hood will be welcomed with open arms by the community. Hah. The U.S has been refered to as the loneliest country in the world with its 20 million or so people who live alone. > >I don't give a crap what you or anyone else on the net thinks, but I > >personally believe... > > To use a favorite Kenny Arndt expression: this is the credo of the > "willfully stupid." > I said that to indicate that my position is cast in cement and it is.