Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/12/84; site aero.ARPA Path: utzoo!linus!decvax!tektronix!hplabs!sdcrdcf!trwrb!trwrba!aero!foy From: foy@aero.ARPA (Richard Foy ) Newsgroups: net.women Subject: Re: Re: Re RAPE, etc.../ "understanding" horrible behavior and people Message-ID: <359@aero.ARPA> Date: Thu, 15-Aug-85 12:51:54 EDT Article-I.D.: aero.359 Posted: Thu Aug 15 12:51:54 1985 Date-Received: Mon, 19-Aug-85 22:30:37 EDT References: <739@udenva.UUCP> <540@hou2g.UUCP> <3014@hplabsb.UUCP> <6443@ucla-cs.ARPA> <1698@mnetor.UUCP> <525@calmasd.UUCP> Reply-To: foy@aero.UUCP (Richard Foy (Veh. Systems)) Organization: The Aerospace Corp., El Segundo, CA Lines: 28 Summary: In article <525@calmasd.UUCP> tami@calmasd.UUCP (Tami Morse) writes: >interviewees include rapists and men whose SOs have been raped, as well >as men who had had no such direct contact with rape. One of the most >striking (to me) interviews was with a male file clerk who felt women >used their good looks to make men feel powerless. He watched women in >the office where he worked come in dressed up and looking good, and >flirting with the more powerful men there, totally ignoring him. The >sense I got was of frustration and powerlessness, and he said it made >him so mad that he might very well rape. This isn't a personal problem, >this is a societal one -- a matter of class distinctions, women as >Tami Morse >G.E. Calma Co., San Diego, CA >{ihnp4,decvax,ucbvax}!sdcsvax!calmasd!tami I listen to men talk about situations where they feel women have taken advantage of them. I compare and contrast my mind chatter when I get angry or upset with women with that when I get angry at men. When I do it seems to clear to me that men who rape are just at one extreme end of a wide spectrum of male attitudes. When men are in a mood of thinking that violence is a solution they tend to think of killing other men but they tend to think of sexual violence towards women. I realize that I have not conducted a scientific survey, but becuase it comes from listening to men when they are not "thinking" it may be more accurate than interviews etc.