Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 (Denver Mods 7/26/84) 6/24/83; site drutx.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!philabs!cmcl2!seismo!lll-crg!dual!qantel!ihnp4!drutx!djvh From: djvh@drutx.UUCP (VanHandelDJ) Newsgroups: net.sport.baseball Subject: Carter vs Pena Message-ID: <131@drutx.UUCP> Date: Mon, 12-Aug-85 10:50:41 EDT Article-I.D.: drutx.131 Posted: Mon Aug 12 10:50:41 1985 Date-Received: Sat, 17-Aug-85 06:13:14 EDT Organization: AT&T Information Systems Laboratories, Denver Lines: 26 First off, I agree with David Rubin that, at least offensively, Carter is superior to Pena. I was somewhat amused by the clever way David took Carter's 1976 stats out of the argument. Sure, Barry Foote batted more times than Carter in 1976. But Gary Carter was to be the Expos starting catcher that year. The reason Foote played a lot is because Carter wasn't doing the job. The main point, though, is this: The issue at hand is `Who is better: Pena or Carter?`, not who was better years ago. I can see including the last 2 or 3 years in some kind of weighted average year, but I don't see why Carter's stats from almost 10 years ago are important to this discussion. Also, David Rubin repeatedly states that the surrounding line-up does not significantly affect a batter's performance. How is this measured? I would like to see a statiscal analysis showing that surrounding line-up has little or no effect on batter performance. I find this VERY hard to believe. Until I see this, or find time to do it myself, I cannot agree with that part of the argument (though I agree that Mtl and Pgh were not significantly different offensively anyway). Well, I guess I'll sit back now and wait for the Vol I part of the response :-) Dave Van Handel druWI!Whocaresaboutbaseballanyway-it'sGreenBayPackerseasonnow!djvh