Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site mit-vax.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!bonnie!akgua!whuxlm!harpo!decvax!genrad!panda!talcott!harvard!think!mit-eddie!mit-vax!csdf From: csdf@mit-vax.UUCP (Charles Forsythe) Newsgroups: net.women Subject: Re: men dominate net.women (flame-ish) Message-ID: <689@mit-vax.UUCP> Date: Thu, 22-Aug-85 01:38:45 EDT Article-I.D.: mit-vax.689 Posted: Thu Aug 22 01:38:45 1985 Date-Received: Sun, 25-Aug-85 02:17:44 EDT References: <175@drutx.UUCP> <231@whuts.UUCP> <2674@sun.uucp> Reply-To: csdf@mit-vax.UUCP (Charles Forsythe) Organization: MIT, Cambridge, MA Lines: 82 Caution! The following article contains language suitable only for REAL MEN, and hairy lesbian feminists. In article <2674@sun.uucp> Ms. Sunny Kirsten overgeneralizes: >Power is the domain of men. >The entire net is dominated by men struggling for power. >And that is why there are so few women posting in this forum. Because >the kind of communication which is cooperative and sharing, the kind >which comes naturally to women, is impossible whenever the men join in >too. >And most of these people are men. Ones with an overdose of >testosterone. I refuse to believe that I am incapable of being "cooperative and sharing" just because I don't have a womb. I also refuse to believe it comes naturally to women. Did "nurturing" come naturally to: Queen Victoria The Bitch of Buchenwald .... I don't think so, unless you considering killing innocent people to make their tattoos into lampshades a "nurturing" act. Or maybe the suppression of freedom of expression is your boat? It really gets me when some "liberated woman" tells me I'm a violent, dominating asshole and that she, by virtue of a pair of breasts, is somehow superior to me. Women were given the right to vote in the 20's because it was felt their "cooperative and nurturing" forced would help politics. It's first real demonstration was when the "Women's Christian Temperance Union" managed to push through prohibition. This merely nurtured the mafia and set up decades of fucked-up attitudes and policies concerning alcohol. The point is that women, at most, are equal to men. >They happen to be the warm nurturing cooperative sensitive kind of males >who don't dominate the discussion, and become angry and contentious. I >love this kind of male. I love people who agree with me, too. Does this mean I have to get the "Sunny Seal of Approval" in order to be a "good male?" Kinda makes me wish I'd been born a woman. That way, I could be a murderer and I'd still get it automatically. >HATRED, ANGER, DOMINANCE will destroy this planet. >LOVE, CARING, NURTURING, SHARING, and LETTING GO of POWER >are the only pathways which will support or enhance life. :-( Thankyou for showing me what "LOVE, CARING, NURTURING, SHARING" really means, Sunny. I almost thought you were making an angry attack on the male gender. I guess I was wrong, because you are a "CARING" woman. :-( Seriously, you spewed a lot of HATE in your posting. I don't give a damn whether or not it was "justified" but your stupid generalizations hurt me and made me PISSED OFF. So now, I'm giving you back some hate. That's the way hate works. I subscribed to net.women because of an interest in womens' issues and feminism at large. I am, however, unsubscribing because I don't want to deal with your hatred and resentment. Oh, I'll still be interested in feminism, and I'll still support the same feminist organizations, but I will probably want to deal with fewer feminist women -- I've begun to discover that they are narrowminded assholes as well. Fuck you and the white horse you rode in on, Sunny. -- Charles Forsythe CSDF@MIT-VAX "We pray to Fred for the Hopelessly Normal Have they not suffered enough?" from _The_Nth_Psalm_ in _The_Book_of_Fred_