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From: woods@hao.UUCP (Greg Woods)
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Subject: Re: Newsgroup creations and deletions
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Date: Mon, 12-Aug-85 16:11:21 EDT
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> I feel the net powers are using the BOF meeting to cover there rears.
> When Mark Horton first mentioned the BOF I thought "What BOF?".  We
> didn't discuss this at Portland while I was in the BOF.  It wasn't
> discussed after I left the BOF either or Lauren would know about it.
> He was running the damn thing.  Then it struck me.  Hey!  We talked
> about rmgrouping net.general at the Salt Lake City Usenix.  Good grief,
> that was over a year ago.  Come on guys be real.

  It's worse than that, actually. Not all of us are fortunate enough to
be able to attend every USENIX conference. I've been on the net (and been
a regular contributor) for over 4 years now, and have only gotten to go
to two USENIX meetings, one mostly funded by my own pocket (I was visiting
friends in Dallas and NCAR paid only for my conference registration).
BOF's should be considered the same as a PRIVATE meeting. Anything discussed
at a BOF should be presented to the net BEFORE implementation.
  I would like to add my own appreciation for the work Chuq, Mark, Spaf
et al. are doing. It's a lot of hours for no pay. I also have no objections
to having them implement minor decisions without consulting the net (go
ahead and NUKE net.wobegon, Chuq... :-). But when you're talking about
something as major as nuking net.general, I really should have a chance
to have a say in it before I read the announcement of same on the net, even
if I didn't make it to the BOF where it was discussed.
  I also do not see anything wrong with the net at large making suggestions
about what the wizards should do. Just because the wizards are putting in
lots of time voluntarily shouldn't prevent us from questioning some of the
things they do. It would help if people didn't FLAME them. You could just
say "I think that's a bad idea" instead of "where do you get off...".
A little consideration from both "sides" is in order.

--Greg