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From: crs@lanl.ARPA
Newsgroups: net.women
Subject: Re: men dominate net.women (flame-ish)
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Date: Fri, 23-Aug-85 13:58:46 EDT
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> 
> I'm not sure where you get off calling net.women.only a special
> privilege.  It seems any time we want something for ourselves
> you deem it a special privilege, and I guess that's the problem.
> Equality is not a special privilege, dammit.  IT IS OUR RIGHT.
> 
> Moira Mallison
> tektronix!moiram

Come on, Moira.  What would *you* call it?  Was there any other group
where the *majority* of the people on the net were told that they were
not to post to it so that the minority (I assume that what I read on
the net is true that there is not equal representation of women in the
computer field) could have the group all to themselves?

Believe it or not, I supported net.women.only as I support net.women.
What I find insufferable is the self-righteous attitude displayed by
this and several other postings.  I've been reading this group for a
long time and only occasionally post to it.  When you speak of having
a special newsgroup all to your selves, alone, as an example of
"Equality ... not a special privilege, dammit" your credibility
suffers immensely.  Do you *really* believe what you just said?

As others have said better than I can, If you, indeed, want to improve
the lot of women, like it or not, you will likely need the support of
men bsecause you obviously don't have the support of all women (who
are, I believe, still the majority in this country).  This doesn't
mean that you have to bow & scrape, as many of you seem to believe.
It just means that it would make sense not to alienate people
unnecessarily (what else would you call calling men testosterone
poisoned assholes, or words to that effect?).  I realize that Sunny
has problems that few have and that that has a strong influence on
what she posts.  That does not alter the fact that some of her
postings, reflecting her frustration and bitterness, were of such a
nature as to alienate a lot of people.  There have been quite a few
postings that are just as alienating with less reason than Sunny has.

[My apologies to Sunny for bringing her into this but it was Ross's
response to her posting that Moira is responding to.]

How about if we quit all of this name-calling and invective and get on
with some rational discussion?

-- 
All opinions are mine alone...

Charlie Sorsby
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