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From: smithson@calma.uucp (Brian Smithson)
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Subject: Re: Madonna's despicably harmful manipulative trashy image
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Date: Wed, 7-Aug-85 17:59:40 EDT
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Gawd, I never thought I'd post anything remotely having to do with Kate
Bush, but a couple of comments really frost my *:

> ...lots of crap...
> > Good thing you're not in music. You'd be starving.
> 
> Probably, but at least I'd be doing something worthwhile -- which is
> MUCH more important to me than financial reward.  It's cretins like
> Madonna that make it impossible for many true and genuinely creative
> artists to make a decent living at their art.

This is ridiculous.  I'm well aware of many "true and genuinely creative
artists" in the Jazz realm who don't make a decent living.  Such, I'm sure,
is the case in other musical forms, and other other art forms in general.
The people who like that stuff either support it or they don't.  The same
goes for your "cretins", though: people who like them either support them or
they don't.  Who knows?  Some "cretins" probably starve too.

The idea that the "cretins" make it impossible for the "true" to make a decent
living is deeply silly at best, and at worst it reflects a notion of scarcity
which is more at the root of the world's problems than Madonna will ever be.

> ...lots more crap...
> I never said that I have anything against images.  I object to harmful
> images. ...

Fabulous.  This reminds me of the harmfulness that was warned of early
rock and roll, and likewise of Jazz in a number of periods.  Perhaps some
musicologist can help me out, but I'd bet that most popular forms of music
have been met with "warnings" of some destructive capacity in their early
stages.  Jeez, I'm glad you're not the Minister of Censorship around here...

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