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From: shp@crystal.UUCP
Newsgroups: net.singles
Subject: Re: All the bickering over responsibility and choice.
Message-ID: <500@crystal.UUCP>
Date: Fri, 16-Aug-85 12:53:45 EDT
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> Whatever happened to the warmth and friendship expressed only a few short
> weeks ago during the hugs discussion?
> -- 
> tektronix!azure!chrisa

    Presented for your inspection, a few short pseudo-random quotes from
    net.singles:

] In article <1758@mnetor.UUCP> sophie@mnetor.UUCP (Sophie Quigley) writes:
] >What are YOU doing Ross with your free time that is so superior to
] >colour analysis?
] Well, I'll tell ya, Sophie ol'girl.  A hell of a lot more than you:
] 	
] 	...
] 	
] Now I'll pass it back to you, dear:  What would you do with your time
] if you weren't so busy looking in a mirror and preening?
] 
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] 
] > 	That statement is, so far as I'm concerned, one of the greatest,
] > most insidious lies that I've ever read.
] 
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] 
] I have only one thing to say in response to this:
] 
] BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!

    Now, a nearly self-contradictory flame: 

    C'mon, what is this?  Net.flame?  Net.attack?  It's supposed to be a
    SUPPORT group, not a forum for insecurity (I've stooped to this level,
    too; I feel rather foolish about it).  I'd love to see things like:

	"Interesting point, Dave.  Usually, though, I look at it this way..."

	"Hmmm.... I don't think so.  At least, it doesn't work for me, but
	thanks for the idea.  I'll think about it."

	"Sorry if I've mislead you; what I was really trying to say...."

	"Great!  I'm glad that works for you!  The last time I did something
	like that, though....."

	"I've never thought so.  What do you think?  Should I give it another
	try?"

	"Fascinating, Captain.  StarFleet has always maintained that...."

    Anyway, you get the idea.  Net.singles is a place to support other people,
    even if you disagree with them.  I'm tired of seeing "You're full of it,
    guy; this is what MY book said"  (my 'N' key is applying for social security
    benefits!).  I'd much rather see "Where did you find that?  I've always
    found that..."

	Some specific flames:
	    
	    Hugs?  Silly?  Maybe so, but don't you think it's nice that those
	who enjoy their warmth have the opportunity to do so?

	    Color analysis:  Fine!  If you believe in it, go for it!  If you
	don't, save your $$!  But don't be raggin' on people, just 'cause they
	don't share your point of view, particularly on such an issue, dammit!
	Just because we disagree, doesn't mean that one of us is wrong!  The
	Law of Excluded Middle doesn't apply to personal preferences.  If you
	really got to get upset over something, start flaming your congressman
	about his position on (whatever).

    Sorry (but not TOO sorry) about the tirade.  Now for the disclaimer:

	I concede that the single-to-noise ratio is a whole lot better than
    I'm holding forth.  Fortunately.  There has been, and still is, some
    really worthwhile stuff here.  But let's cut out the attacks, hey?  They
    serve no purpose.  If I'm insecure to the point where the only way I can
    bring myself up is by rippin' you down, I may as well pack it in.

    Flames to net.flame, /dev/null, or me, whichever.  Argumentative replies
    should be treated as flames.  Followups here.  Thanks for listening.  Does
    not include tax, title, dealer prep, body, engine, or chassis.

	=shp

    [ Steve Patterson, Computer Sciences, UW - Madison ]