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From: miche@masscomp.UUCP (Harvey)
Newsgroups: net.women
Subject: Re: Rape (A Solution?!)
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Date: Fri, 9-Aug-85 09:00:27 EDT
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Posted: Fri Aug  9 09:00:27 1985
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In article <2569@sun.uucp> version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site masscomp.UUCP version B 2.10.2 9/18/84 SMI; site sun.uucp masscomp!bonnie!akgua!whuxlm!harpo!decvax!decwrl!sun!rdh rdh@sun.uucp (Robert Hartman) writes:
> 
>                      When women decide that they won't tolerate rape, and
>are themselves willing to do whatever it takes to prevent/avenge it, rape 
>will stop -- perhaps with the help of technology.  But, much as I regret 
>saying it, I don't think rape will stop until then.  Women, please do WHATEVER 
>you must, and allow me to get the hell out of your way.  
>

The above paragraph is very loaded.  It says, if you read it backwards,
that women want to be raped:  If they didn't, they would stop it, right?
This is obviously wrong, as I'm sure Robert would agree.  Women do NOT
have the power to stop rape; men do.  Does this mean, since rape still
happens, that 'men want rape to happen'?  We know for a fact that there
are men who do want rape to happen, and men who do not want rape to happen.
There are also a hell of a lot of men who do not realize how their actions
foster an environment in which rape is normal.  Ok, women, too.

Men rape.  It is the RAPIST's problem that he rapes.  There is nothing
wrong with a woman who is raped, or women because women are raped.  It
is not reasonable to expect women to stop rape.  We can fight, we can 
kill, we can scream, we can even discuss reasonably (occasionally ;-)),
but women can't 'not rape'.  Let's not give responsibility for the
crime to the victim.

Does this remind anyone of the scene in 'Games Mother Never Taught You'
where the new women employee was told that she was responsible for the
comfort of the seasoned, experienced males?

Miche Baker-Harvey
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