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From: barbaraz@tektools.UUCP (Barbara Zanzig)
Newsgroups: net.women
Subject: Re: men dominate net.women (flame-ish)
Message-ID: <376@tektools.UUCP>
Date: Thu, 22-Aug-85 15:08:27 EDT
Article-I.D.: tektools.376
Posted: Thu Aug 22 15:08:27 1985
Date-Received: Sun, 25-Aug-85 05:21:50 EDT
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Reply-To: barbaraz@tektools.UUCP (Barbara Zanzig)
Organization: Tektronix, Beaverton OR
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Summary: 

Andy Cohill:
> 
> If you want power, you have to make it. Yourself. Or in concert with
> other people who feel the way you do. You do *not* get it by asking
> others to give it to you, which is what you are suggesting here. If
> you have to ask for it, you don't deserve it. 

This strikes me as similar to a jailer taunting: "Come on!  You can get
out if you really want to!  If you can't, you don't deserve freedom!"
This is blame-the-victim, all over again.  As an analogy, do you think
black slaves freed themselves?  Maybe, but at minimum they had a *lot*
of help - from their "oppressors", even.

> The only reason net.women is not dominated by women is because the
> women don't post articles--you admit this yourself. If you want to

On the other hand, if some male readers respected women enough to just
listen for awhile, perhaps we wouldn't get into these constant flame
fests.

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