Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.3 alpha 4/15/85; site tommif.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!philabs!prls!amdimage!amdcad!decwrl!greipa!tommif!cat From: cat@tommif.UUCP (Catherine Mikkelsen) Newsgroups: net.women Subject: Re: PMS, transexuals, and testosterone poisoning Message-ID: <134@tommif.UUCP> Date: Thu, 15-Aug-85 00:47:44 EDT Article-I.D.: tommif.134 Posted: Thu Aug 15 00:47:44 1985 Date-Received: Mon, 19-Aug-85 20:56:42 EDT References: <291@SCIRTP.UUCP> <2564@amdcad.UUCP> <2614@sun.uucp> Distribution: net Lines: 53 Summary: An aside > >Phil Ngai seems to have once written: > > Another interesting point in this discussion of testosterone poisoning > > is that Sunny is admittedly a pre-operative transexual and therefore still > > feels the effects of testosterone. Perhaps Sunny feels the effects of orally > > administered estrogen as well but it is curious for me to understand > > how someone still feeling the effects of testosterone can claim to know > > what its absence feels like. And: In article <2614@sun.uucp>, sunny@sun.uucp (Ms. Sunny Kirsten) writes: > > Sometimes, I just can't believe the hostility and rejection of me, both on a > human level, and as a valid data point. I seriously doubt any of the other > transsexuals on the net who could substantiate or further enlighten on my > observations of the effects of hormones will be willing to do so. Because > y'all are just too damned closed minded to listen, or to treat us as valid > humans. i.e. it just isn't worth the personal sacrifice to try to get a > valid viewpoint heard and known. > > So just go on rationalizing away everything I have to say. After all... > I'm so messed up I couldn't possibly have anything valid to say. > Not when it threatens your preconceived notions, your closed minds, your > sexual and genderal roles, and your total lack of ability to validly refute > anything I have to say........ > Just keep on rejecting me. Just keep on rejecting what I've said about the > effects of hormones. Just keep on saying to the world: > Don't bother me with the facts, My mind is made up. > I will go a way. I will shut up. Because it is futile to cast pearls of > wisdom before swine. > > Sunny WHOA. Hang on. (mumble mumble) Now look here. Sunny, I haven't been in on this discussion before, but I've seen Phil's postings and he Doesn't seem to be a rabid asshole type. I MAY be wrong, but I don't think that his observation was in any way personally degrading. I'm writing this because a previous posting somewhere in the net referred to the stupendous amount of hostility that the poster perceived among network postings. As one who has, er, been known send off postings in a half-cocked manner (albeit Snide postings, not hostile. Honest.), I just want to say this: Sunny, don't feel persecuted. NOT everyone is rejecting you. Jeeez. Why, 'though I lost interest in the PMS debate sevel weeks ago, I think that you've made several pertinent -- not to mention legible points. Which is more than I can say for many others. Chin up. And don't bother flaming me, anyone, Densa or not. I'm leaving the country. Catherine Mikkelsen decwrl!greipa!tommif!cat