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From: csdf@mit-vax.UUCP (Charles Forsythe)
Newsgroups: net.origins
Subject: Re: catastrophic evolution - reply to Bill Jefferys
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Date: Wed, 7-Aug-85 16:18:56 EDT
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Posted: Wed Aug  7 16:18:56 1985
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I realize that Ted Holden is merely as facet of my own subconscious,
created only for my amusement, by I am forced to respond anyway.

In article <365@imsvax.UUCP> ted@imsvax.UUCP (Ted Holden) writes:
>     I  don't  normally  reply  to  responses  to my own
>articles on the net;

That is because you do not really exist, by that's okay!

>>These    days,   debates   between   Creationists   and
>>Evolutionists are regularly won by evolutionists.
>     Where?  When?

I read one is Scientific American magazine about four years ago. The
creationist really got smashed. Honest.
 
>     I wouldn't feel 
>     good about publishing in  a  journal "refereed"  by
>     "scientists" in the  case of the creation-evolution
>     debate.

Yeah, you might be subjected to FAIRNESS!

>     I would  prefer well attended debates with
>     members of the press  present  as  was  the case in
>     Roanoke. 

The press has never been known for its scientific accuracy in anything.

>>Groups of humans with six fingers are known.  The trait
>>breeds true.   There is  one such  group in (I believe)
>>Appalachia.
>
>     Like I  said,  these  people  are  fortunate  to be
>     living in  the 20'th  century.  Being burned at the
>     stake was never much fun.

Actually, the tribe mentioned is in the Himalayas where they have never
burned anybody at the stake for witchcraft. Not everybody grew up with
the same pea-brained western culture you did.

>     Mr. Jefferys
>     will  sooner  or  later  have  to  account  for the
>     pteratorn's extinction  as well.  The pteratorn was
>     a 200 lb. golden eagle with a 30 foot wingspan.

Hmmmmm. I think it might have trouble finding something to eat.

>>Really?  And  what mechanism  do you  propose to change
>>the force of gravity on the earth?
>
>     I can forgive Mr. Jefferys for this  one.  This one
>     involves   a   radical   departure   from   present
>     thinking.

And present fact as well! Very amusing! Well done!

>     I have actually
>     seen   books   which   state  that  pterosaurs  and
>     pteratorns climbed  up  mountains  and  then glided
>     down again,  a hell of a hard way to have to make a
>     living.

That might explain why they died.

>     archaic world will sound  strange;  remember, there
>     was a time when cars and trains seemed strange, and
>     a time when forks  seemed  strange  to the  English
>     nobility.

And now science seems strange to educated people. How odd.

>     They  described  the  sky  as  the  primeval watery
>abyss.  The first paragraph of Genesis refers to the sky
>as a  firmamemt built  to separate the waters above from
>the waters below.  The  great  hymns  to  Osiris  in the
>Egyptian  Book  of  the  Dead  refer to Osiris as having
>fashioned man and the primeval watery abyss of  the sky.
>Nearly  identical  language  concerning  the  sky can be
>found in Snorri Sturleson's  Prose Edda,  not because of
>any  early  contacts  between Skandanavia and Egypt, but
>because these peoples obviously saw the  same sky. These
>stories are  fragments of racial memory, bits and pieces
>of a picture which  can  be  put  together  with  just a
>little bit of effort.

The Book of the Subgenius describes shopping malls as an attempt to
subvert a super-race of beings that will come to life in 1998. I find
that a little easier to swallow.

>     Prior to  the flood,  we were  a planet of Saturns.
>This sounds crazy at first,

I've read it twice and it still sounds crazy.

>Saturn  directly,  and  we  hung perilously close to the
>small star.

Saturn's a planet.

>You haven't heard of the  ultrasaur,
>you say?   The  people  at  Penn  State  apparently have
>acquired  him  rather  recently.

No, the CREATIONISTS at Penn State acquired him. Of course, they will
immediately send it up to their doubting colleagues at Harvard and it
will be lost in the mail.

>     Why couldn't  a 200 lb. bird fly?

I suppose for the same reason a ten ton jet can't fly.

>     The heiroglyphs for Ra, Atum, Osiris etc., names at
>various  time  periods  for  the elder god of Egypt, are
>basically  just  pictures  of  a  star  inside  a  ring,
>pictures  of  Saturn.

Wrongo. The dot inside the ring represented the Sun, specifically. A
ring without a dot was the moon. Any self-respecting symbol dictionary
will tell you that. The symbol for Saturn is radically different.

>Usually  the ringed star sits on
>either a pyramid shaped mound or, as in the case  of the
>loop at  the top  of the  ankh symbol, atop the Egyptian
>symbol  for  a  pillar   or   structural   support.

Actually, the circle in the ankh represented the female moon goddess,
fertility of the sky, and the cross represented the earth, terrestrial
fertility. The ankh never had anything to do with saturn.

>page 250  "..thou risest, coming forth from the  god Nu.
>          Thou  hast  come  with  thy splendors and thou
>          hast made heaven  and  earth  bright  with thy
>          rays of PURE EMERALD LIGHT"
>page 251  "...thou dost  arise in  the horizon of heaven
>          and  shed  upon  the  world  beams  of emerald
>          light;..."
>
>page 254  "..Through thee  the world waxeth green before
>          the might of Neb-er  tcher.... Thy body  is of
>          gold,  thy  head  of  azure, and emerald light
>          encircleth thee.."
>
>     The pictures of Osiris in human form on the pyramid
>walls were, of course, green.

This is metaphorical, or do you insist Saturn burned green? The green
light was Aural in nature, a spiritual and unseen force. The green
symbolize growth and love.

Stay away from shopping malls.

-- 
Charles Forsythe
CSDF@MIT-VAX
"I was going to say something really profound, but I forgot what it was."
-Rev. Wang Zeep