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From: greenber@timeinc.UUCP (Ross M. Greenberg)
Newsgroups: net.women
Subject: Re: men dominate net.women (flame-ish)
Message-ID: <453@timeinc.UUCP>
Date: Thu, 22-Aug-85 08:34:42 EDT
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Posted: Thu Aug 22 08:34:42 1985
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Reply-To: greenber@timeinc.UUCP (Ross M. Greenberg)
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In article <2674@sun.uucp> sunny@sun.uucp (Ms. Sunny Kirsten) writes:
>
>Thank you, Andy, for providing the example I need to make a point:
>

Thank YOU, Sunny, for such an entertaining article!

>Power is the domain of men.

I was gonna keep track of the sexist generalizations that Sunny
makes, but they quickly  exceeded the limits of an unsigned int.

>
>The entire net is dominated by men struggling for power.  The one area
>where women *might* have had a chance to talk together, net.women, has
>from its inception been dominated by men.

Interesting OPINION stated as fact, Sunny.  Besides, are you
asking for any special privs due to women because they are women?
And we've already been over more times than anyone wants to state.

>
>And that is why, after net.women failed for this reason, that
>net.women.only was created.. to keep the men from "dominating" the
>converstaion... from changing the nature of the conversation from
>sharing to contention.  And when men again refused to respect the
>charter of the newsgroup known as net.women.only...

  Most of the people {male-type} who posted to net.women.only
did it for one of two reasons:  either they didn't understand
what that particular group was about, or they resented the fact
that women were demanding equality in *this* group, but seeking
special privs in others.  I recall a lengthy argument I had with
a poster of the second class, where I stated that (although I
disagreed with the special privs provided to the women based on
their sex), he still should have adhered to the net.announce.newusers
postings until the group collapsed under its own contradictions.


>...  I love this kind of male.  It's the
>macho assholes like you who have to turn everything into warfare or
>games of dominace that I can't deal with, and who are destroying this
>planet.

Uncalled for generalizations,Sunny! If you disagree with a male posting,
do they automatically become "macho-assholes"?


>
>...  Because so
>many people are filled with hatred and the need to compete and dominate
>and have power over other people.  And most of these people are men.
>Ones with an overdose of testosterone.
>

I'm sure you have clinical proof of this, right? Perhaps you had
a problem with overdoses of testosterone?  Perhaps you had a problem
with agressiveness which you attributed to testosterone?  Perhaps
you are over simplifying matters, or at least projecting your
perception of yourself (as a male) to men-as-a-class?  That
would be sexist, which you like to claim you're not. 

>
>It's not that I hate men, or that there's something wrong with the male sex.

I disagree with the first point, and affirm the second.  Hey!! You
and I actually agree on something?  Almost by definition, that means
that something is wrong.

>It's dominant and powerhungry individuals who are the problem... (Andy)
>It's the males with an overdose of agression producing testosterone,
>who are causing the biggest of problems in the world.

Yeah, Andy certainly is power hungry.  I mean, all of his
postings show this.  He doesn't display the love, warmth, and
affection that you do.  

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