Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site ucsfcca.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!philabs!cmcl2!seismo!lll-crg!dual!ucbvax!ucsfcgl!ucsfcca!dick From: dick@ucsfcca.UUCP (Dick Karpinski) Newsgroups: net.women Subject: Re: Re: Re RAPE, etc.../ "understanding" horrible behavior and people Message-ID: <395@ucsfcca.UUCP> Date: Wed, 7-Aug-85 20:17:27 EDT Article-I.D.: ucsfcca.395 Posted: Wed Aug 7 20:17:27 1985 Date-Received: Sun, 11-Aug-85 06:07:23 EDT References: <739@udenva.UUCP> <540@hou2g.UUCP> <3014@hplabsb.UUCP> <6443@ucla-cs.ARPA> <1698@mnetor.UUCP> Reply-To: dick@ucsfcca.UUCP (Dick Karpinski) Organization: UCSF Computer Center Lines: 61 Summary: Animals do rape. In article <1698@mnetor.UUCP> sophie@mnetor.UUCP (Sophie Quigley) writes: >than that). If rape was as simplistic an issue as that, we'd see more >occurence of it among the so-called "lower" animals, whose actions are >supposedly dictated even more by their hormones and the visual cues they >receive from the females of their species. Yet non-human animals do not >rape (which might suggest that it might be insulting to animals to call >rapists animals <-:). > But, Sophie, animals do rape. At least, some ducks do. (In fact, gross as it may seem, the male mate of a raped duck is likely to repeat the offense immediately.) In general the practice of rape is sufficiently common in the "wild kingdom" that there is a rather neutral term for it: mixed reproductive strategy. Civilization and humanitarian ideals (as well as simple empathy) are supposed to assist us humans in providing a more kindly environment for our (male and female) fellows. Sorry it works so poorly. Dick >> men to rape. Very little is known about it. It is possible the rapist has >> a view of the world that is very different from that of others. Understanding >> this world view could provide the basis for eliminating rape, at last and >> forever. >> >> Eric McColm > >Actually, quite a lot is known about rapism. Rape has been studied >extensively by psychologists and feminists and lay persons. I do not >know offhand of any actual psychology studies on rape but I have seen >enough references to such studies around to believe that they have been >made. The best work on rape that I have seen so far has been Susan >Brownmiller's book, which she wrote already 10 years ago, I believe. >The title is something like "men, women, and rape". > >Another good, old book on rape was written by a policeman whose name >escapes me right now. It is called "how to say no to a rapist and >survive". It is written as a self-defense guide for women, but it >dwells mainly on trying to understand the psychology of rapists and >playing on that. I have only tried one of his techniques once, and it >actually worked. It is a very good book, which was described at the >time as anti-feminist because it assumed that rapists had some humanity >left in them. It is a very no-nonsense book, completely non-jargonny, >and quite sensitive as well as sensible. > >By the way, my opinion (and that of quite a few feminists) is that rape >is not a personal problem of a few individuals with a distorted world >view, but a deep societal problem of the inequality between the sexes. >Society will have to be cured if we want the individuals cured. Again, >I do recommend Brownmiller's book very strongly. But I guess she's >a feminist (YICCKEE POO!!!!) so I suppose that many netter will probably >believe her opinion is probably not worth listening to. Much more fun >to talk about probvocative clothing and that bitch Madonna. >-- >Sophie Quigley >{allegra|decvax|ihnp4|linus|watmath}!utzoo!mnetor!sophie -- Dick Karpinski Manager of Unix Services, UCSF Computer Center UUCP: ...!ucbvax!ucsfcgl!cca.ucsf!dick (415) 666-4529 (12-7) BITNET: dick@ucsfcca Compuserve: 70215,1277 Telemail: RKarpinski USPS: U-76 UCSF, San Francisco, CA 94143