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From: pmk@prometheus.UUCP (Paul M Koloc)
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Subject: Hear, Hear to  Peter Mikes
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Date: Thu, 8-Aug-85 00:41:14 EDT
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Posted: Thu Aug  8 00:41:14 1985
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> Real issues??  I like discussions about mental telepathy,
> ..  ...  . Paul M. Koloc 
What I said was:
I like discussions about mental telepathy,  ##- IF -## they would suggest 
some sort of basis in physics (a model) that could explain it.

> 	     Take for example the laser.  
> 	| Paul M. Koloc, President: (301) 445-1075              | FUSION |
> 	
> Really! What has laser to do with telepathy?? As I recall, it was
>   developed from maser by  conventional methods  and theories -
>  QM  and Quantum Theory of Light.

I used the wrong term, I should have said "precognition".

The point I was trying to make was that a long, very long time after 
the theoretical basis for the invention of the laser was established, was
it actually invented.   The laser is a distinctly separate invention 
from the maser), demonstrated first by Ted Maiman in 1960, and patented 
by Gould.  HOWEVER, it was ENVISIONED (is precognition that different
from telepathy???)  long before it was invented.
Take Flash Gordon movies and their use of the laser-like "death ray!".

ANOTHER example of general precognition (telepathy with the future?)
would be the Dick Tracy wrist televideo "watch".  We may not 
be there quite yet but I'll bet sketches of one is in a CAD file 
someplace.  When the latter was "envisioned in the DT comics" the
technology or science wasn't ready to generate one.

But who cares if the actual invention was finally developed after consulting
the QM books or was generated serendipitously by some tinkering "fool" 
working in his garage, the point I'm making is that the "vision" came 
whether the science or technology was ready or not and in a number of
cases has proven to be long before the invention was demonstrated.

Now, let's think up or dream up a real physics mechanism that can 
explain it.  LUCKY GUESS YOU SAY!!.  Supremely wonderfully accurate guesses 
by "writers?".  Nor will talking about this or that incident of non-repeatable
"real telepathy" won't help get us to the point where it can be
used (telepathy, psycho kinesis, precognition) as a reliable tool.  It 
certainly seems to me it MIGHT be a real thing and that it could be very 
important to our welfare, but how could such a thing work.  

Just for the record, I think chasing Super-Symmetries is at least as nuts,
and at best it will have very limited application to the simplification and 
refinement of physics.  On the other hand, let's come up with some interesting
hypotheses to explain this "psychic" stuff, or find another place to discuss
it.

>  There are no 'non-physical forces' 
Tell me, please,  what was the "physical force that caused the big bang".
Or are you just hoping life (physics) is that simple.

			Peter and Paul!

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