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From: dick@ucsfcca.UUCP (Dick Karpinski)
Newsgroups: net.women
Subject: Re: Re: Re RAPE, etc.../ "understanding" horrible behavior and people
Message-ID: <395@ucsfcca.UUCP>
Date: Wed, 7-Aug-85 20:17:27 EDT
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Posted: Wed Aug  7 20:17:27 1985
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Summary: Animals do rape.

In article <1698@mnetor.UUCP> sophie@mnetor.UUCP (Sophie Quigley) writes:
>than that).  If rape was as simplistic an issue as that, we'd see more
>occurence of it among the so-called "lower" animals, whose actions are
>supposedly dictated even more by their hormones and the visual cues they
>receive from the females of their species.  Yet non-human animals do not
>rape (which might suggest that it might be insulting to animals to call
>rapists animals <-:).
>
But, Sophie, animals do rape.  At least, some ducks do.  (In fact,
gross as it may seem, the male mate of a raped duck is likely to
repeat the offense immediately.)  In general the practice of rape
is sufficiently common in the "wild kingdom" that there is a rather
neutral term for it: mixed reproductive strategy.  Civilization and
humanitarian ideals (as well as simple empathy) are supposed to
assist us humans in providing a more kindly environment for our
(male and female) fellows.  Sorry it works so poorly.

Dick
>> men to rape.  Very little is known about it.  It is possible the rapist has
>> a view of the world that is very different from that of others.  Understanding
>> this world view could provide the basis for eliminating rape, at last and
>> forever.
>> 
>> Eric McColm
>
>Actually, quite a lot is known about rapism.  Rape has been studied
>extensively by psychologists and feminists and lay persons.  I do not
>know offhand of any actual psychology studies on rape but I have seen
>enough references to such studies around to believe that they have been
>made.   The best work on rape that I have seen so far has been Susan
>Brownmiller's book, which she wrote already 10 years ago, I believe.
>The title is something like "men, women, and rape".
>
>Another good, old book on rape was written by a policeman whose name
>escapes me right now.  It is called "how to say no to a rapist and
>survive".  It is written as a self-defense guide for women, but it
>dwells mainly on trying to understand the psychology of rapists and
>playing on that.  I have only tried one of his techniques once, and it
>actually worked.  It is a very good book, which was described at the
>time as anti-feminist because it assumed that rapists had some humanity
>left in them.  It is a very no-nonsense book, completely non-jargonny,
>and quite sensitive as well as sensible.
>
>By the way, my opinion (and that of quite a few feminists) is that rape
>is not a personal problem of a few individuals with a distorted world
>view, but a deep societal problem of the inequality between the sexes.
>Society will have to be cured if we want the individuals cured.  Again,
>I do recommend Brownmiller's book very strongly.  But I guess she's
>a feminist (YICCKEE POO!!!!) so I suppose that many netter will probably
>believe her opinion is probably not worth listening to.  Much more fun
>to talk about probvocative clothing and that bitch Madonna.
>-- 
>Sophie Quigley
>{allegra|decvax|ihnp4|linus|watmath}!utzoo!mnetor!sophie


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