Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83 based; site homxa.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!mhuxt!houxm!homxa!gritz From: gritz@homxa.UUCP (R.SHARPLES) Newsgroups: net.auto,net.legal Subject: Re: Radar Detector Legislation Message-ID: <1101@homxa.UUCP> Date: Tue, 13-Aug-85 10:01:44 EDT Article-I.D.: homxa.1101 Posted: Tue Aug 13 10:01:44 1985 Date-Received: Sat, 17-Aug-85 14:19:20 EDT References: <1081@homxa.UUCP>, <302@kitty.UUCP> Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Holmdel NJ Lines: 53 Xref: watmath net.auto:7633 net.legal:2054 >From: larry@kitty.UUCP (Larry Lippman) > > Radar detectors are devices to facilitate the commission of a crime - >speeding. Period. If you feel that a speed limit encroaches upon your >personal freedom then, as I said above, get the laws abolished. > ..................... I take it then, that if the police want to crack down on drug traffic in NYC they should feel free to search everybody on the streets of NYC. You never know who will be carrying drugs. And, if they want to crack down on people who kill others with illegal guns they can feel free to search every house in NYC to confiscate and illegal guns or find any guns that might have been used in the commission of a crime. Our legal system is set up not to ensure that violaters of laws are caught but rather that innocent citizens who are pursing their own LEGAL happiness are not subjected to unwarrented and humiliating police scrutiny! > Also, more sophisticated devices than radar detectors are presently >being developed by at least two companies that I know of. They use a low >power infra-red laser which works on a doppler principle, and is precisely >aimed at suspect verhicles using an optical sight. One company is specifically >developing their product around a video camera/recorder which will take >photographs of vehicles exceeding a preset threshhold, with a superimposed >time/date/speed legend. > ..................... As far as I know current law requires that evidence provided in court be validated by a human witness to the crime. These picture taking devices have been around for a long time but have not been accepted as legal evidence of a crime. I guess some people aren't comfortable with a machine producing ironclad evidence that they committed a crime. In Japan they put a time stamp on your turnpike ticket when you start, They calculate your average speed when you exit and write you ticket if it is over the limit. I'm they would love to do that on the turnpikes and parkways here execpt that there is no witness as to when and where you were speeding. > I can't wait to see the detectors for modulated IR... :-) I can't wait to see the lawsuits when one of those low power lasers blasts someone's retina. As to defeating it, since its infra-red, just put an IR source on the front of the car to scramble the returned signal. Right now the FCC says it's illegal to do that with radar but they have no power over IR. Russ Sharples homxa!gritz