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From: dmmartindale@watcgl.UUCP (Dave Martindale)
Newsgroups: net.women
Subject: Re: men dominate net.women (flame-ish)
Message-ID: <2374@watcgl.UUCP>
Date: Sat, 17-Aug-85 14:11:33 EDT
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Posted: Sat Aug 17 14:11:33 1985
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References: <175@drutx.UUCP> <231@whuts.UUCP>
Reply-To: dmmartindale@watcgl.UUCP (Dave Martindale)
Organization: U of Waterloo, Ontario
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In article <231@whuts.UUCP> amc@whuts.UUCP (Andy Cohill) writes:

 [in response to complaints from Karla that men dominate net.women]

>Out of one side of your mouth you waiving the flag for equal
>treatment, freedom to compete with men, more power for women, etc.,
>and out of the other side you seem to be saying that you women just
>don't have what it takes to "dominate" this forum, so we men should
>"let" you dominate it.
>
>If you want power, you have to make it. Yourself. Or in concert with
>other people who feel the way you do. You do *not* get it by asking
>others to give it to you, which is what you are suggesting here. If
>you have to ask for it, you don't deserve it. 
>
>Karla, I am never going to step aside and let someone have what I
>have worked for, *just* because they are female, or black, or have
>six toes. You will have to prove that you are equal to me on a 
>level playing field. Affirmative action is a sad excuse for
>equality; it merely makes discrimination legal. And note that I
>support fully whatever it takes to create a level playing field, for
>both of us! But affirmative action is not it, and I think you
>already have equal opportunity on the net.

Wait a minute - since when are either men or women engaged in a contest
for control of net.women?  I believe, and I'm sure I'm not alone, that
this USENET group should be used for productive discussion, not arguments
nor attempts to "dominate".  

I would humbly suggest that anyone, male or female, whose interest in
net.women has anything to do with domination, should go do it in some
other newsgroup.

This *isn't* a competition to see who can shout loudest.
If we are going to compete, how about everyone trying to make their
articles be the most relevant, the most useful to other people, rather
than just spouting one's own opinion in order to be heard.

	a prolific user of the "k" key,
	Dave Martindale