Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84 SMI; site calma.uucp Path: utzoo!linus!philabs!prls!amdimage!amdcad!decwrl!sun!calma!smithson From: smithson@calma.uucp (Brian Smithson) Newsgroups: net.women,net.music Subject: Re: Madonna's despicably harmful manipulative trashy image Message-ID: <203@calma.uucp> Date: Wed, 7-Aug-85 17:59:40 EDT Article-I.D.: calma.203 Posted: Wed Aug 7 17:59:40 1985 Date-Received: Sun, 11-Aug-85 04:15:11 EDT References: <979@mtgzz.UUCP> <4841@mit-eddie.UUCP> Organization: GE/Calma Co., R&D Systems Engineering, Milpitas, CA Lines: 41 Xref: linus net.women:6388 net.music:7525 Gawd, I never thought I'd post anything remotely having to do with Kate Bush, but a couple of comments really frost my *: > ...lots of crap... > > Good thing you're not in music. You'd be starving. > > Probably, but at least I'd be doing something worthwhile -- which is > MUCH more important to me than financial reward. It's cretins like > Madonna that make it impossible for many true and genuinely creative > artists to make a decent living at their art. This is ridiculous. I'm well aware of many "true and genuinely creative artists" in the Jazz realm who don't make a decent living. Such, I'm sure, is the case in other musical forms, and other other art forms in general. The people who like that stuff either support it or they don't. The same goes for your "cretins", though: people who like them either support them or they don't. Who knows? Some "cretins" probably starve too. The idea that the "cretins" make it impossible for the "true" to make a decent living is deeply silly at best, and at worst it reflects a notion of scarcity which is more at the root of the world's problems than Madonna will ever be. > ...lots more crap... > I never said that I have anything against images. I object to harmful > images. ... Fabulous. This reminds me of the harmfulness that was warned of early rock and roll, and likewise of Jazz in a number of periods. Perhaps some musicologist can help me out, but I'd bet that most popular forms of music have been met with "warnings" of some destructive capacity in their early stages. Jeez, I'm glad you're not the Minister of Censorship around here... -- -Brian Smithson Calma Company ucbvax!calma!smithson calma!smithson@ucbvax.ARPA Graphitti seen on dispenser for disposable toilet seat covers: "Bibs for eating at [corporate headquarters] cafeteria"