Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site gymble.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!gamma!epsilon!zeta!sabre!petrus!bellcore!decvax!genrad!panda!talcott!harvard!seismo!lll-crg!gymble!fred From: fred@gymble.UUCP (Fred Blonder) Newsgroups: net.bicycle Subject: Re: car-sensors at traffic lights Message-ID: <270@gymble.UUCP> Date: Wed, 21-Aug-85 17:19:20 EDT Article-I.D.: gymble.270 Posted: Wed Aug 21 17:19:20 1985 Date-Received: Sat, 24-Aug-85 18:47:37 EDT References: <1043@umcp-cs.UUCP> <358@varian.UUCP> Distribution: net Organization: U of Maryland, Laboratory for Parallel Computation, C.P., MD Lines: 27 > From: fred@varian.UUCP (Fred Klink) > Newsgroups: net.bicycle > Subject: Re: car-sensors at traffic lights > Message-ID: <358@varian.UUCP> > > Sorry ahead of time to any civil engineering types on the net > but at least around here I don't credit traffic "engineers" > with any conscious consideration of road use by peds, bikes or > others. I've given up using the push to walk buttons because > (a) they don't do anything (my wife calls these the placebo > buttons), or (b) they result in a 5 second green light, just > about adequate for a world class sprinter to cross on, or (c) > they are placed in position which is almost inaccessible to a > cyclist without a complete dismount. Around here (just outside of Washington D.C.) they most definitely DO work, (usually), but as you point out, they're always mounted somewhere you can't reach without going up a curb or something similarly annoying. -- All characters mentioned herein are fictitious. Any similarity to actual characters, ASCII or EBCDIC is purely coincidental. Fred Blonder (301) 454-7690 Fred@Maryland.{ARPA,CSNet} harpo!seismo!umcp-cs!fred