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From: bch@mcnc.UUCP (Byron Howes)
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Subject: Re: Re: Out-of-Context Quote-of-the-Month.  July 1985.
Message-ID: <705@mcnc.mcnc.UUCP>
Date: Fri, 9-Aug-85 12:18:47 EDT
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Posted: Fri Aug  9 12:18:47 1985
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In article <373@scgvaxd.UUCP> dan@scgvaxd.UUCP (PUT YOUR NAME HERE) writes:

> We don't know what a creator "would" do, but we do know what a creator
> "did" do. Thus creationism is based on observation of the creation.

Whether or not a "creator" is responsible for what we observe is the question
under scrutiny.  It really isn't kosher, from a scientific standpoint, to
build your conclusion into your assumptions.  

> Example: We can observe that the creator created man with a potential
> for variation in characteristics. (height, weight, eye color, skin etc.)
> However, the genetic menu is limited. Man has never given birth to an
> ape. (Observation) Prediction: No genetic potential for producing an ape.
> This is verified in studies of genetics. Since man does not have the
> genetic potential for producing an ape offspring, this could offer evidence
> that man and ape are genetically unrelated and separate creations.

You have to define Ape more carefully here.  As there are those of us who
see man as a type of ape, we would say that men give birth to apes every day.
Just what characteristics are you using to define Ape?  (I know, I know, 
characteristics that men don't have...)  As far as I can tell, you are 
building your conclusions into your model again.  GIGO.  Little wonder
you guys sit spinning your wheels so long.

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						Byron C. Howes
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