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From: clark@grdian.DEC (Dave Clark, 283-6322)
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Subject: Re: bombing begins in 5 minutes
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Date: Tue, 20-Aug-85 09:19:52 EDT
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From:	ASHBY::USENET  "USENET Newsgroup Distributor  17-Aug-1985 2023" 17-AUG-1985 20:22
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Path: decwrl!decvax!harpo!whuxlm!whuxl!houxm!mhuxt!mhuxr!ulysses!gamma!pyuxww!pyuxii!tw8023
Subject: Re: bombing begins in 5 minutes
Posted: 
Organization: Bell Communications Research, Piscataway N.J.
 
For crying out loud, Clark, grow up.  The election has been over for
9 months.  Your posting was nothing more than sour grapes.  
T. C. Wheeler

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Path: decwrl!decvax!harpo!whuxlm!whuxl!houxm!vax135!petsd!petfe!evan
Subject: Tom Lehrer
Posted: 
Organization: Perkin-Elmer DSG, Tinton Falls, N.J.
 
This info about Tom Lehrer teaching music now, instead of math is news
to this fan.  The only real news I can offer is old, but some people
may not be aware of the Broadway Show produced about 2 years ago.
It was called Tomfoolery (off-Broadway, actually), and they sang all
of his songs, along with one that had never been released, called I 
Got It From Agnes, about (presumably) VD.  There is also a book called
Too Many Songs by Tom Lehrer, which has music and lyrics to all of his
songs.  It was released in conjunction with the show.
 
He did not perform in the show, and I believe all he did was give them
permission to perform it.  He was seen there, however, opening night.
 
--Evan Marcus
-- 
{ucbvax|decvax}!vax135!petsd!petfe!evan
                         ...!pedsgd!pedsga!evan
 
You know what I hate more than anything?  Indian givers.   No, I take that back.

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Path: decwrl!decvax!tektronix!hplabs!sdcrdcf!trwrb!trwrba!cepu!dowdy
Subject: Home boys!!
Posted: 
Organization: VA Wadsworth Med. Center; LA CA
Xref: tektronix net.flame:12163 
Summary: 
 
Yo!! Whas'up.. Is the beat fresh...?? Any homeboys in net land ??
 
                                Rock Master DJ

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Path: decwrl!decvax!harpo!whuxlm!whuxl!houxm!ihnp4!inuxc!pur-ee!CS-Mordred!Pucc-H:Pucc-I:Pucc-K:rsk
Subject: Today's hit list
Posted: 
Organization: Purdue University
Keywords: target practice
 
 
Here is today's list of people who should be shot through the lungs:
 
	1. Anyone introducing another brand of wine cooler.
 
	2. Anyone performing street maintenance before 8 am.
 
	3. The MTV veejay staff. (for their assinine antics during "Live Aid")
 
	4. Anyone owning a pickup that has been jacked several feet off the
	ground and equipped with huge tires--but who lives in an urban area.
	Extra shots for those who also have lighthouse-grade extra headlights.
 
	5. Anyone who posts an article with the line "REPLACE THIS LINE
	WITH YOUR MESSAGE" still in it.
 
	6. Gary Dee, the Chicago deejay whose vituperative racial slurs
	pollute the airwaves weekday mornings.
 
	7. Pee Wee Herman.  Just on general principles.
 
	8. The staff of "Multi-Solutions, Inc.", whose perjorative comments
	about Unix accompanied announcements of their vaporware, "S1".
 
	9. Whoever it is that stuffs half a dozen subscription applications
	into every copy of Scientific American (including subscription copies).
 
	10. Anyone who complains about Unix documentation without reading
	it first.  High on this list is Donald Norman, author of "The
	Trouble with Unix", which ran in Datamation a couple of years back.
 
-- 
Rich Kulawiec	rsk@{pur-ee,purdue}.uucp, rsk@purdue-asc.csnet
		rsk@purdue-asc.arpa or rsk@asc.purdue.edu

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Path: decwrl!decvax!harpo!whuxlm!whuxl!houxm!mhuxt!rduxb!aluxe!cam
Subject: Re: The role of America in world hunger & red spread
Posted: 
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Allentown, PA
 
> > [Todd Jones]
> > Au contraire, I stated the primary reason for poverty is the
> > resource drain from these countries to America and Europe.
> -----------------------------------
> The above statement is WRONG! WRONG! WRONG!
> Boy, we sure have impoverished Saudi Arabia and Kuwait by draining their
> resources.  Even if we exempt oil producing countries, the least poor
> third world countries tend to be those with the most per capita exports
> to the developed world.  The very poorest countries have little to export.
> I suppose if Bangla Desh and Upper Volta stopped their already meager
> exports to the West they would blossom overnight.
> -- 
> Bill Tanenbaum - AT&T Bell Labs - Naperville IL  ihnp4!ihlpg!tan
 
I believe the situation Todd talked about is a little different than the
one you are discussing.  Exports of bananas, or pineapples do bring in
some cash to these countries, but they are luxury items, not necessities
such as oil which is a megabucks business.  The monies made on these 
luxury crops most likely go to some upper class type who owns the plantation,
or farm, and then some small part filters down to the "peasant" laborer.
Because many staple items are not grown in said country in order to make
room for the export crops, they must be imported or suffer ahigher price tag
since they are probably scarce in said country.  The landowner can then
probably afford to buy these staples at the higher price, since he/she
has made mucho dollars exporting the luxury crops, but the poor folk
cannot afford to buy the now inflated price staple items - they are
making some income on the exports, but not enough to buy what they need.
The problem is quite complex indeed.
....but we helped to make it, and we can help to break it.
 
 
 
 
                            cam

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Path: decwrl!decvax!harpo!whuxlm!whuxl!houxm!ihnp4!laidbak!jeq
Subject: Re: Today's hit list
Posted: 
Organization: LAI Chicago
Keywords: target practice
Summary: 
 
In article <1222@pucc-k> rsk@pucc-k.UUCP (Wombat) writes:
>
>Here is today's list of people who should be shot through the lungs:
...
>	6. Gary Dee, the Chicago deejay whose vituperative racial slurs
>	pollute the airwaves weekday mornings.
 
Please!  Don't attribute him to Chicago.  He was brought in from
elsewhere.  (Of course, that doesn't say much for the folks who
brought him here.)  During one listener phone call some time back:
 
Man on phone:  Well, Gary, I just recently discovered that my
	wife is having an affair with..
Gary Dee:  Shoot 'em!  Blow 'em both to Kingdom Come!
	(Shotgun sound effect.)
 
Some dj's manage to pull off this kind of humor.  I got the
impression that some of his listeners take the whole thing
seriously.  ("Gee, Gary, I love your show.  Especially
when you talk about killing those un-American folks who
fornicate out of wedlock....")
This holier-than-thou God bless the right-thinkers brand
of broadcasting is no less than subversive!  I used to
listen to that station in the morning (I happen to enjoy
country music once in a while), but I found it too unsettling
to start the day with hate and violence.  (And I
enjoy violent TV with the best of them.)
			**Damn!**
 
>	7. Pee Wee Herman.  Just on general principles.
 
No, he shouldn't be shot through the lungs.
Just put to sleep.
 
Jonathan E. Quist
ihnp4!laidbak!jeq
``I deny this is a disclaimer.''

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Path: decwrl!decvax!harpo!whuxlm!whuxl!houxm!ihnp4!gargoyle!sphinx!mmar
Subject: Re: $1.4M for hitting a cow (Lawsuits and judges that piss me off)
Posted: 
Organization: U Chicago -- Linguistics Dept
 
Okay, it sounds excessive.  But before we agree on that all the way,
why didn't you say anything about the injuries that plaintiff sustained
or claimed that she had?  
	Or are you saying that the owner of the land (& the cow) has no
responsibility in the matter anyway?  
-- 
 
            -- Mitch Marks @ UChicago 
               ...ihnp4!gargoyle!sphinx!mmar

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Path: decwrl!decvax!harpo!whuxlm!whuxl!houxm!ihnp4!gargoyle!sphinx!mmar
Subject: Re: Re: DWI Crackdowns
Posted: 
Organization: U Chicago -- Linguistics Dept
 
> Here in New Jersey, we HAVE a law against driving without
> liability insurance.  And we STILL pay (through the nose,
> mind you) for uninsured (and underinsured) motorist coverage.
> 
> But according to the law, there ain't no such animal as an
> uninsured motorist. (They must think we import them from 
> Illinois. :-))  
> 			Scott J. Berry
 
 
Uhhhh... gosh, Scott, I thought people do still drive across state lines.  Oh,
sorry, I hadn't opened today's mail yet, and here it is -- my Internal
Passport.  Now I understand.  
 
-- 
 
            -- Mitch Marks @ UChicago 
               ...ihnp4!gargoyle!sphinx!mmar

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Path: decwrl!decvax!harpo!whuxlm!whuxl!houxm!ihnp4!gargoyle!sphinx!mmar
Subject: Re: Belated Good Wishes!
Posted: 
Organization: U Chicago -- Linguistics Dept
 
Ken, you're stuffing a lot of irrelevancies on top of the issue.  Most of
the points you raise I can either agree with, or set aside as too hard to
settle, and *still* find this anniversary something to lament.
 
In particular:
	1.  I entirely agree that the Axis side was wrong and the Allied
	    side was right, in some quite solid sense that is happy with
	    these absolute judgments.  Does anybody seriously question
	    this?  No; so it doesn't require the heat and detail you give it.
 
	2.  It is not easy to say whether the use of the A-bomb was necessary
	    in the situation as it stood at the time; or even whether, if not
	    necessary, it was justifiable.  My inclination is to say that it
	    was unnecessary, but justifiable.  Your inclination, apparently,
	    is to say that it was necessary.  I don't want to start an argument
	    on the substantive points, but I do object to your apparent view
	    that it's easily settled.  It's not, it's a hard question.  That's
	    why there isn't a clear historical consensus.
		In any case, settling this point isn't necessary.  Let us even,
	    for the sake of argument, grant it your way.
 
Then the lamentation over the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki is purely
hindsight, and is not a deep moral judgment upon those who had to make the
decision at the time.  'Just hindsight': but hindsight is powerful and worthy.
What we are so worked up about on this anniversary (those of us who are
worked up) is based on something we know now, but they didn't know then, and
we can't blame them for not knowing -- that nuclear weapons are a lively
and active threat to our civilization and perhaps to the survival of our
species.  
 
What we're talking about here is the future.  We're most of all lamenting
the future possibility of nuclear war, and on this occasion doing so by
looking at the one time in the past when that which we dread actually
happened...in miniature, and in a different context, but nonetheless a real
case of the same thing.
 
To use nuclear weapons today would be a dreadfully immoral thing, a crime
against humanity.  Rendering that judgment in today's situation does not
mean that we cast the same condemnation upon HST and his advisers.  But with
that proviso in mind, what's wrong with our using this anniversary -- this
year and every year -- to say "It happened once, let it never again come
to pass"?  That's what the fuss is about, that's what we're tearing our
hair about, and none of this is changed by reciting and weighing up the
cruelties of all aspects of World War II.
-- 
 
            -- Mitch Marks @ UChicago 
               ...ihnp4!gargoyle!sphinx!mmar

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Path: decwrl!decvax!dartvax!psc70!tos
Subject: Re: The role of America in world hunger & red spread
Posted: 
Organization: Plymouth State College, Plymouth, NH
 
 
    
   Of course hunger & poverty couldn't be reduced in the direct sense
by stopping the use of tropical lands to grow crops for ourselves. The
people who were once growing their own food on those lands and were
driven off it by the huge agribusinesses or their own larger
landowners are now in the shantytowns of Rio de Janeiro, Mexico City,
Guadelajara, Monterrey, etc. and will obviously not return to the land
that easily. That doesn't change the fact that they were once
"subsistence-level" peasants, i.e. people who didn't really take part
in the cash economy, but basically fed and clothed themselves. But
because we like bananas, and e.g. we like to eat tomatoes year-round
(something that was unheard of when I was a youngster in the 20's)
such people were either driven up into the hills trying to cultivate
rockpiles (and hence more amenable to recruitment by guerrilla bands)
or went to the nearest big city and squatted and built a shanty.
 
                                            Tom Schlesinger
                                            Plymouth State College
                                            Plymouth, NH 03256

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Path: decwrl!sun!qubix!t12tst!seshadri
Subject: Re: Demise of net.bizarre (hopefully premature)
Posted: 
Organization: Intel Microprocessor Mfg, Santa Clara
Xref: sun net.flame:11290 net.bizarre:542
 
> "A cynic is someone who knows the price of everything and the value
> of nothing"  -- Professor Charlie Green (in Gary Trudeau's Doonesbury)
> 
 
The author of the quote is Oscar Wilde.
-- 
Raghu Seshadri

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Path: decwrl!ucbvax!decvax!dartvax!psc70!tos
Subject: Re: The role of America in world hunger & red spread
Posted: 
Organization: Plymouth State College, Plymouth, NH
Xref: ucbvax net.flame:9825 net.politics:9799
 
 
   The exchange re. "resource drain" mostly indicates how foolish it
is to venture generalizations about two-thirds, app. 110, of the
countries in the world.