Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site psivax.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!mhuxt!houxm!vax135!cornell!uw-beaver!tektronix!hplabs!sdcrdcf!psivax!friesen From: friesen@psivax.UUCP (Stanley Friesen) Newsgroups: net.philosophy,net.religion Subject: Re: Pfui Message-ID: <665@psivax.UUCP> Date: Wed, 31-Dec-69 18:59:59 EDT Article-I.D.: psivax.665 Posted: Wed Dec 31 18:59:59 1969 Date-Received: Sat, 24-Aug-85 19:52:42 EDT References: <1276@pyuxd.UUCP> <2145@pucc-h> <1313@pyuxd.UUCP> <434@spar.UUCP> <1388@pyuxd.UUCP> <626@psivax.UUCP> <10987@rochester.UUCP> <1499@pyuxd.UUCP> Reply-To: friesen@psivax.UUCP (Stanley Friesen) Organization: Pacesetter Systems Inc., Sylmar, CA Lines: 19 Xref: watmath net.philosophy:2402 net.religion:7459 Summary: In article <1499@pyuxd.UUCP> rlr@pyuxd.UUCP (Rich Rosen) writes: >All you've shown is that you have to power to want to condition yourself not >to do something. That happens to be great, and one of the best and most useful >things about being human. I wouldn't call it "free will" though. The fact >that it took time to squelch the desires and recondition yourself proves my >point: you cannot simply will a desire (!) into or out of existence. >-- Well, here is the main difference between us, that is *exactly* what I call free will. I do not remember any proponent of free will ever claiming the ability to magically will a result instantly. That is totally irrelevent to free will as far as I am concerned. Why should my inability to do something I never claimed was possible have any bearing on the existence of free will? -- Sarima (Stanley Friesen) {trwrb|allegra|cbosgd|hplabs|ihnp4|aero!uscvax!akgua}!sdcrdcf!psivax!friesen or {ttdica|quad1|bellcore|scgvaxd}!psivax!friesen