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From: mokhtar@ubc-vision.UUCP
Newsgroups: net.women
Subject: Re: men dominate net.women (a little more flame-ish)
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Date: Fri, 16-Aug-85 23:31:18 EDT
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> After ignoring most this newsgroup for a while, because of the
> plethora of male-submitted, uninteresting articles, I decided to go
> through some articles and tally up the submitters. 
   
Why do these "uninteresting males" have the honor now?

> This resulted in some interesting statistics:
    
> Of the first 141 articles: 41 were from women
>                            100 were from men
                                       
> Thinking this was rather phenomenal, I did the same thing to
> the next 142 articles, this time: 34 were from women
>                                   108 were from men
                                       
> Don't you men think this is a little peculiar? 
   
Yes, it is more than a little peculiar. It used to be 1 to ~10 instead of
1 to ~3 which is what your statistics is suggesting. 

>                      ... and most recently and most amusingly, men 
> (programmers, students, and engineers, not MDs) writing about PMS!  
  
Anything wrong with that ?????
  
> What is this, Intro to Women's Liberation, 101?? Why don't *most* of 
> you guys get some basic women's issues/liberation 1985 knowledge from 
> your local women's bookstore/coalition, and quit cluttering up the net
> with your poorly thought out comments?  (Some of you really say some 
> silly things sometimes.) 
  
Not only that but there are some who actually respond with some really
silly things of their own!
  
>			  With less of this juvenile 101 discussion we 
> could *all* spend more time on more useful discussion like: parenting, 
> breast cancer treatments, child care, working situations, other women's 
> health issues, women still earning $0.52 for every $1.00 a man earns, 
> a woman's right to her body, etc.

There are *other* newsgroups to discuss *all* of the topics you just
mentioned (Such as net.kids, net.medicine, net.politics, net.abortion).
So perhaps net.women *is* the place for "juvenile 101 discussions". 
  
> With the exception of Adreienne, Moira, Jeanette, Sophic, S. Badian, 
> Sunny, and a few others, very few women submit to this group.
  
In other words a small number of women write most articles submitted
by women to net.women.
> 							      I think 
> many women read it, (or would read it) but don't want to get involved 
> in these often trivial discussions (like myself).
  
Well, you just did.

> 						     Plus, many of you 
> guys come off as if you'd chew them up and spit them out.  (Some of 
> you are often *truely* unkind.)
   
But are the guys the only ones who are "often *truely* unkind" ?
  
> I am saying: lighten up and quit taking your every thought so seriously.

What *should* I take seriously then? Your thoughts? Are you serious? Are
you lightened up? If you are lightened up, then may be *your* thoughts are
not so serious? Should *your* thoughts be taken seriously? Why should I not
take my thoughts seriously? Maybe we should first decide who is lightened up.
I guess this makes me one of the unenlightened, but I still like to take my
thoughts seriously.
  
> As has been said recently (by a man with insight), there is no net.men
> because men dominate *all* of the newsgroups.  (Why do you suppose 
> net.women.only and a private women's mailing list were started?)
   
Why do I suppose someone like you who is more interested in "useful discussions"
is wasting her time in net.women and not sticking to net.women.only or the
mailing list?
   
   Farzin Mokhtarian
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