Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site spar.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!ucbvax!decvax!decwrl!spar!ellis From: ellis@spar.UUCP (Michael Ellis) Newsgroups: net.philosophy Subject: Re: Mechanism and Determinism Message-ID: <480@spar.UUCP> Date: Fri, 23-Aug-85 07:16:23 EDT Article-I.D.: spar.480 Posted: Fri Aug 23 07:16:23 1985 Date-Received: Sun, 25-Aug-85 00:51:30 EDT References: <573@mmintl.UUCP> <27500092@ISM780B.UUCP> <606@mmintl.UUCP> Reply-To: ellis@spar.UUCP (Michael Ellis) Organization: Schlumberger Palo Alto Research, CA Lines: 19 >> Why is there subjective >>experience? The best answer I can think of is that there must be subjective >>experience in a world where we experience it. If we were in a world were >>there were none, then we wouldn't be asking the question. [Jim Balter] > >You didn't answer the question. Why is there subjective experience in ANY >world? What is subjective experience, anyway? [Frank Adams] The Real within the Imaginary A keyboard crazed materialist Encounters an image on the screen Clearly he sees chemicals But they bear no resemblance Too bad, with a muddled head He tries to recognize his reflection! -adapted from Goi Koan by a Monk who lived on Mount To -michael