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From: karla@drutx.UUCP (RikansrudKB)
Newsgroups: net.women
Subject: men dominate net.women (flame-ish)
Message-ID: <175@drutx.UUCP>
Date: Thu, 15-Aug-85 13:35:14 EDT
Article-I.D.: drutx.175
Posted: Thu Aug 15 13:35:14 1985
Date-Received: Sun, 18-Aug-85 01:30:08 EDT
Organization: AT&T Information Systems Laboratories, Denver
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After ignoring most this newsgroup for a while, because of the
plethora of male-submitted, uninteresting articles, I decided to go
through some articles and tally up the submitters.  This resulted
in some interesting statistics:
 
Of the first 141 articles: 41 were from women
                          100 were from men
                                       
Thinking this was rather phenomenal, I did the same thing to
the next 142 articles, this time: 34 were from women
                                  108 were from men
                                       
Don't you men think this is a little peculiar?  Do you all
think that each little passing thought is *so* insightful/unique/clever
/whatever that you *must* post each one to the net?  SPARE US!  
Stream of consciousness is not appropriate for this forum.

The subjects being discussed are also interesting:
rape/clothing/and asking for it, arranged Indian marriages
where it's consistently the 'girl' and the 'man' being
discussed, pronouns, and most recently and most amusingly, men 
(programmers, students, and engineers, not MDs) writing about PMS!  
GIVE ME A BREAK!! 

What is this, Intro to Women's Liberation, 101?? Why don't *most* of 
you guys get some basic women's issues/liberation 1985 knowledge from 
your local women's bookstore/coalition, and quit cluttering up the net
with your poorly thought out comments?  (Some of you really say some 
silly things sometimes.)  With less of this juvenile 101 discussion we 
could *all* spend more time on more useful discussion like: parenting, 
breast cancer treatments, child care, working situations, other women's 
health issues, women still earning $0.52 for every $1.00 a man earns, 
a woman's right to her body, etc.

With the exception of Adreienne, Moira, Jeanette, Sophic, S. Badian, 
Sunny, and a few others, very few women submit to this group.  I think 
many women read it, (or would read it) but don't want to get involved 
in these often trivial discussions (like myself).  Plus, many of you 
guys come off as if you'd chew them up and spit them out.  (Some of 
you are often *truely* unkind.)  I'm sure I will receive a lot of flames
for this ungenteel submission, but I couldn't keep quiet about male 
monopolization any more.

I am *not* saying that men have no right to write to this newsgroup
(or quietly read it and not respond).  (Men *are* 47% of the population 
and have more jobs in this industry than women and more power in the 
world.  They play a big part in women's lives, issues, and 
problems.)  I am saying: spend a little more time thinking and 
absorbing and observing, and less time reacting with a quickly written 
retort.  I am saying: lighten up and quit taking your every thought so 
seriously.  (A bet: that most of the flames I get as a response to this 
posting are from just those men I'm talking about, and that the articles
of support will come from the men I'm not talking about and from some
women.)

As has been said recently (by a man with insight), there is no net.men 
because men dominate *all* of the newsgroups.  (Why do you suppose 
net.women.only and a private women's mailing list were started?)
Please give us a break and dominate everything else, but not
this newsgroup!  Thanks.
                        Very Sincerely,

                        Karla Rikansrud
                        AT&T Information Systems
                        11900 N Pecos,  Denver, CO 80234
                        drutx!karla