Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site psivax.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!philabs!prls!amdimage!amdcad!decwrl!decvax!tektronix!hplabs!sdcrdcf!psivax!friesen From: friesen@psivax.UUCP (Stanley Friesen) Newsgroups: net.philosophy,net.religion Subject: Re: Pfui Message-ID: <626@psivax.UUCP> Date: Tue, 6-Aug-85 15:36:01 EDT Article-I.D.: psivax.626 Posted: Tue Aug 6 15:36:01 1985 Date-Received: Mon, 12-Aug-85 21:19:03 EDT References: <1276@pyuxd.UUCP> <2145@pucc-h> <1313@pyuxd.UUCP> <434@spar.UUCP> <1388@pyuxd.UUCP> Reply-To: friesen@psivax.UUCP (Stanley Friesen) Organization: Pacesetter Systems Inc., Sylmar, CA Lines: 30 Keywords: robots Xref: linus net.philosophy:1976 net.religion:6940 In article <1388@pyuxd.UUCP> rlr@pyuxd.UUCP (Rich Rosen) writes: > >> Speak for yourself, Rich. >> >> It is becoming clear to me that difference of opinion on this issue >> ultimately derives from personal experience. >> -michael > >Can you give an example from your personal experience of something you >didn't like that you chose to like. Try it. Take something you absolutely >despise, and decide to like it. Remember, no conditioning to change your >behavior toward that thing will be allowed. After all, you can do it >without "new experiences"... Oh great! Now you want to say that free will in your definition requires that only certain methods be used to accomplish a decision! I am *sorry*, but if I make a decision to do something I see no reason why I cannot be free to accomplish that goal in any manner that works. If I decide to like something and I conclude that self-conditioning is the most effective way of doing this, then why is that contrary to free-will, since the conditioning process was initiated by *my* decision, not external control. And if this dort of thing *isn't* possible, I might as well stop going to therapy and save myself a lot of money every month! -- Sarima (Stanley Friesen) {trwrb|allegra|cbosgd|hplabs|ihnp4|aero!uscvax!akgua}!sdcrdcf!psivax!friesen or {ttdica|quad1|bellcore|scgvaxd}!psivax!friesen