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From: rlr@pyuxd.UUCP (Rich Rosen)
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Subject: Re: Planned Parenthood posting
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Date: Mon, 19-Aug-85 20:23:06 EDT
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>>>To blazes with the petty concern of parents wishing to buffer their
>>>children from the horrors of the real world till their old enough to
>>>understand. [RAY]

>>Case in point:
>>	When I was little, my parents said,"Stay away from the deep end,
>>	until you know how to swim! You might drown!" (Horrid parents!)
>>
>>	My neighbor's parents would get the Ray Seal of Approval. They
>>	told their kids,"Don't go to the deep end! There are monsters
>>	in it!" [FORSYTHE]

> Hopefully in either case, no kid drowned.  BECAUSE they believed what their
> parents. [RAY]

You didn't listen to a word he said, did you?  Why may I ask, did you
leave out the important lines that followed:

>> 	I learned to swim early. My neighbors were always afraid of the
>> 	water. Hmmmm. At least they never had a chance to drown...

You don't seem to care at all about the quality of the child's life and of
his/her upbringing.  Just the parent's rights to do what they want.  Even
if kids grow up afraid of the water.  Or uninformed about how to think
for themselves.  I think that speaks for itself.

>>>But on the whole, the responsibility of children rests on the parents,
>>>it has always worked just fine that way.

>>Oh really? Then how come we have so many messed up kids in this world?
>>They didn't start out that way -- it can't be their fault. What about
>>the kids of the strictest parents who get pregnant or into drug habits?

> Ask Osie the crazy rock star who eats bats on stage, or all the other crazy
> lunatic acid rock that promotes crazed sex, orgies, drugs, violence, murder,  
> etc.

It's clear that this man is concerned about his children's upbringing.  He
has made up stories about "acid rock" (there has been no such thing as "acid
rock" for well over a decade), about advocating orgies and murder, to 
convince himself that he should be sure to prevent them in any way from
ever hearing any of it.  Wanna bet his kids grow up to be metalheads, and
thus great consumers?  It's people like you who play right into the hands
of music industry moguls who could care less about sex or drugs, but who
sleep at night secure in knowing that some parents are going to forbid their
kids from listening to that "vile garbage", thus assuring them of making
a mint on it.  Congratulations.

> Ask the drug dealers who slime around playgrounds giving drugs to 4th
> graders.  Or ask the adults who do drugs in front of children.

Ask the parents why they never bothered to teach their kids how to make their
own judgments about such things, choosing instead to shelter them from the
"real world", thus making them all the more susceptible to the con.  It's
called shirking responsibility.

> Ask the senile justices on the Supreme Court about the effect of porno
> shops on every street corner in just about any neighborhood.  Their
> response:"snoor."

Since "every street corner in just about any neighborhood" is clearly
a hallucinatory exaggeration, I'll pass on commenting.

>>Ray is telling us: PP exists, therefore teenage sexual activity
>>increases. Had control back to the parents and everything will be "just
>>fine." I reiterate: If kids didn't need guidance, there wouldn't be a
>>planned parenthood!

> If kids didn't need guidance, there would't be a need for parents. 

Then why is it that the kids have to go to Planned Parenthood for information?
Because they know they won't get it from parents like you.  Because they're
afraid to ask questions like that of you.  No wonder.

>>>I don't give a crap what you or anyone else on the net thinks, but I
>>>personally believe...

>>To use a favorite Kenny Arndt expression: this is the credo of the
>>"willfully stupid."

> I said that to indicate that my position is cast in cement and it is.

Since evidence to the contrary, logical reasoning, and even (most important
of all) the best interests of your (future?) children apparently won't
break this cement, there is little point in arguing.  It is clear,
however, that the welfare of your kids is not your concern here.  And that
is truly sad.
-- 
"to be nobody but yourself in a world which is doing its best night and day
 to make you like everybody else means to fight the hardest battle any human
 being can fight and never stop fighting."  - e. e. cummings
	Rich Rosen	ihnp4!pyuxd!rlr