Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: Notesfiles $Revision: 1.7.0.8 $; site uiucdcsp Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!mhuxn!ihnp4!inuxc!pur-ee!uiucdcsp!ekblaw From: ekblaw@uiucdcsp.Uiuc.ARPA Newsgroups: net.micro Subject: Re: Orphaned Response Message-ID: <9900005@uiucdcsp> Date: Thu, 22-Aug-85 21:18:00 EDT Article-I.D.: uiucdcsp.9900005 Posted: Thu Aug 22 21:18:00 1985 Date-Received: Sun, 25-Aug-85 00:16:46 EDT References: <268@ihnet.UUCP> Lines: 30 Nf-ID: #R:ihnet.UUCP:-26800:uiucdcsp:9900005:000:1785 Nf-From: uiucdcsp.Uiuc.ARPA!ekblaw Aug 22 20:18:00 1985 I think the problem here is that the people responding have machines from one of the two companies (Commodore and Atari) and are trying to insult the other one, but do it on fair ground. Since I don't own a machine from either of them, I can speak fairly about BOTH. Point #1: Yes, Commodore has been outselling Atari. Yet, IBM has been out- selling both. Why? IBM gains two audiences; the ones who know what they want at the start and buy big, and those that outgrow both the 800 and C64 (notoriously weak machines by any NONBIASED standard) Point #2: Commodore slipped in the market last Christmas (and still is, by the way) due to a serious fault in that company - they completely scrap the old machine when a new one comes along. That means that the company would no longer support the C64, and so new buyers didn't want to be stuck with a worthless warranty. Need proof? The company (Commodore) did the same thing when the C64 come out. Remember its predecessor, the VIC 20? May it rest in peace. Point #3: Commodore sales drive have been assisted by the worst insult to the American intelligence in decades - Madison Avenue. Commodore has advertised heavily on the television (much more so than any other company), so people see them more and the name sticks out in their memory. There are other reasons, but I think you get my drift. PS to Randy Horton: Apple is not a bad company. In fact, they are the only honest one. You say that they charge more for less. Maybe in your mind, but at least what they claim their machines can do is possible to be done. When Commodore does the same thing, I'll be surprised.