Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1.chuqui 4/7/84; site apple.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!philabs!prls!amdimage!amdcad!decwrl!sun!idi!apple!lsr From: lsr@apple.UUCP (Larry Rosenstein) Newsgroups: net.micro.mac Subject: Window 'Zooming' (partial results) Message-ID: <15056@apple.UUCP> Date: Fri, 9-Aug-85 14:57:58 EDT Article-I.D.: apple.15056 Posted: Fri Aug 9 14:57:58 1985 Date-Received: Mon, 12-Aug-85 06:42:55 EDT Organization: Advanced Development Group, Apple Computer Lines: 71 Well, I received 35 responses to my poll on a user interface for zooming a window. The results so far are: double click in title bar 12 double click in grow box 19 click in special icon in title bar 7 menu & command key equivalent 7 These add up to >35 because several people gave second choices. Some comments that people added: First, the word 'zooming' was somewhat inaccurate. What I meant was a command that expands the window to full-screen size when executed once and shrinks it back to its former size when executed again. Most of the people who voted for double clicks in the title bar did so to be consistent with Microsoft's applications. One person voted for the menu command to be consistent with Jazz. Most of the people who voted for double clicks in the grow box did so because they considered zooming to be an extension of growing the window. Some people voted for some direct manipulation method and a command key equivalent for speed. A few people were strongly opposed to a menu command because all other window manipulations are does using "controls" in the window. Two arguments for double clicking in the title bar vs. the grow box are: (1) the title bar is larger and some part of it is always on the screen (the grow box might be off the screen); (2) a missed double click (if you click but accidentally move the mouse) can be more annoying in the grow box because some applications redraw the entire window if the window changes size. One argument for a separate icon on the title bar is that double clicks are more difficult to perform (especially for a novice user). A couple of people wanted to see this done in a way that it would work with existing applications. Finally, there were a few suggestions for other features: (1) a send-to-back command; (2) a make-the-window-tiny command; (3) a cleanup-all-windows-command. Some editorial comments from me. Zooming generally involves both moving AND resizing the window so double clicking in the title bar should be just as mnemonic as in the grow box. When you first think about it, double clicking in the grow box seems more mnemonic, however. Since this operation is a shortcut for experienced users, the argument about double clicking being more difficult is not too much of an issue. Making this work with existing applications is not easy, but may be doable in some form. We plan on discussing this and other user interface issues with people working on MacApp and with the Apple Human Factors group to come up with a "standard". Thanks for all the feedback. I will still take votes, but I will be away for a week, so there will be no further results until I get back.-- Larry Rosenstein Apple Computer UUCP: {nsc, dual, voder, ios, mtxinu}!apple!lsr CSNET: lsr@Apple.CSNET