Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84 exptools; site vilya.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!bonnie!akgua!whuxlm!vilya!am From: am@vilya.UUCP (MALEK) Newsgroups: net.religion.jewish Subject: Re: Re: Dvar Torah Project returns Message-ID: <190@vilya.UUCP> Date: Mon, 19-Aug-85 20:02:25 EDT Article-I.D.: vilya.190 Posted: Mon Aug 19 20:02:25 1985 Date-Received: Sat, 24-Aug-85 00:16:06 EDT References: <148@erc3ba.UUCP> <263@sesame.UUCP> <1857@aecom.UUCP> Distribution: net Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories Lines: 17 > > Hip-Hip-Horay!!! > > I heard in jewish history class a few years ago, that HIP stands for > Jeusalem is subjugated ( or something similar ) and that it was the Romans > victory cheer upon returning to Rome. Hardly a phrase to be used by Jews. > Eliyahu Teitz. You are referring to hep, which is the abbreviation of hierosolyma es perdita (or something like that), which means "Jerusalem is lost", an expression of grief by Christians, probably referring to their defeat in the crusades. It was used as a buzz-word in many pogroms and deserves its place of notoriety in Jewish history. Unless you can show an etymological relation between hip and hep, we must assume that the two are unrelated. I stand ready to be corrected. -- Avi Malek @ATT Bell Labs Parsippany, NJ