Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site sdcrdcf.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!philabs!prls!amdimage!amdcad!decwrl!decvax!tektronix!hplabs!sdcrdcf!barryg From: barryg@sdcrdcf.UUCP (Lee Gold) Newsgroups: net.women Subject: Finding a Peer Group You Can Trust Message-ID: <2227@sdcrdcf.UUCP> Date: Mon, 5-Aug-85 08:56:24 EDT Article-I.D.: sdcrdcf.2227 Posted: Mon Aug 5 08:56:24 1985 Date-Received: Sun, 11-Aug-85 04:05:26 EDT References: <435@mit-vax.UUCP> <424@lasspvax.UUCP> Reply-To: barryg@sdcrdcf.UUCP (Lee Gold) Organization: System Development Corp. R+D, Santa Monica Lines: 22 Out here in LA the local SF fans seem to abide pretty much by the mores Heinlein outlined in "Moon Is A harsh Mistress" for his Lunar society (which--like SF fandom--was based on women being scarce and independent creatures): intimacy and complexity of relationship (how far & how many men) depends on the woman's choice. SF fans typically spend parties talking (or sometimes singing) to all hours. I've never known one to try to get a woman drunk or drugged to nsure cooperation. I have over the last 18 years run into two cases of "rape" among SF fans, with both of the women testifying, "He just kept on talking and talking, and wouldn't stop. No, he never threatened me physically or made me feel physically in danger." In one case afterwards, the woman's friends called on the guy afterwards and told him, "Your affair is over. She doesn't want you any more. She's just too shy to tell you. Leave her alone from now on." He did.***In the other case, the woman's friends first suggested she take legal action, but the DA wasn't interested, so the guy was expelled from the local fan club. All I've seen at SF conventions suggests that these standards pretty much prevail among fans nation-wide. --Lee Gold