Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/5/84; site prometheus.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!philabs!cmcl2!seismo!umcp-cs!prometheus!pmk From: pmk@prometheus.UUCP (Paul M Koloc) Newsgroups: net.physics Subject: Re: meta-physics Message-ID: <160@prometheus.UUCP> Date: Tue, 6-Aug-85 23:27:56 EDT Article-I.D.: promethe.160 Posted: Tue Aug 6 23:27:56 1985 Date-Received: Fri, 9-Aug-85 02:47:34 EDT References: <455@busch.UUCP> <9161@ucbvax.ARPA> <408@spar.UUCP> Organization: Prometheus II Ltd., College Park, MD Lines: 95 > The current conception of an electron and photon is not so simple as > you described. Actually, I didn't give any or even my concept of them. >> In the beginning there was only one dimensional space. >> there .. . time is frozen in the present >> Then existence (information..) was released into a two >> dimensional space and a multiplicity of objects formed. And, >> later still information was released into three space. ... > "Then"? If time is frozen, how can it progress? You are also > still not defining what your term "information" means; it cannot > be the same as in information theory.. Good point! The assumption is that prior to existence outside of one dimension there was only a potential existence in two space and three space. Also there was no "information, energy, matter" existing in 2/3 space either, so without information "to process" and infinite number of (empty) frames are processed and time (outside of one dimension) would pass at an infinite rate. The "then" exists only outside of 1D. Information relates to the location of existence grains, and therefore to their existence and non-existence. Anything detectable, noticeable, connotes information. Gravitational grains and ink in a newspaper head line are examples. An analogy: The average grain density per frame motion picture film can be determined by counting. A motion picture of a rock generates many frames of information and the grain location in each frame are unique. So too, a neutron is a constantly framing entity. The location of the "existence or information" grains in a neutron do not repeat and are unique and that is true of all neutrons in the universe. The framing rate for neutrons can be calculated from Planck's constant, it's mass, and the speed of light. >> ... Without information (matter) in three space there is >> no coordinate system, no measure or no points. Introduction of >> a single neutron in to three space (infinitesimal micro big bang) >> would generate that "metric". > > What introduces this neutron? Why do you say that there can be no > metric without whatever it is you mean by information? It was intended as a "thought experiment". The introduction of a modest amount of existence into three space, (the big bang) then allows that existence to form particles (matter) as determined by the logic of the operator and array handling process, the physics of 3-space. The fact that there is a metric means that there is information and therefore existence in space; that means matter exists (and its far field distributions). >> For now, get yourself a video camera and monitor and go make an >> artificial "reality". It's actually fun. ... > Physics is supposed to be the study of real reality. All this > speculation is interesting in its way, but it does not appear to > be driven much by observations of the real world. If it were > more quantitative, perhaps it could be tested against reality. .. . of three D reality. The quantity of observations is not so important in generating the basis for speculations about the deep secrets of nature. Quality is. We study reality by modeling. And the speculation here is capable of being modeled qualitatively at first and then with coarse quantitative estimates. Then with more reshaping of the model, the results will become more satisfactory. There are areas that a metaphysical approach could help. One large gap in physics is the lack of understanding of charge, electromagnetic fields and gravitational fields. The viewing these fields as being "grainy information fields" certainly simplifies things and can bring more physical artifacts to be predictable or calculable. Can you set up the video experiment, observe the "pseudo particles" and then write the physics laws of their motion or half life? If you can, then can generalize them, you will have a great start in solving more of the mysteries of the universe and estimating real physical quantities not possible with present physics. I have a couple of ideas of quantities to estimate as well as interpret gravitational, electric and magnetic fields in terms of forms of an "information" field. Let's get this off the net, because I don't think there is anyone interested in this dialog. Mail through seismo, as noted below. - - NOTE: MAIL PATH MAY DIFFER FROM HEADER - - +-------------------------------------------------------+--------+ | Paul M. Koloc, President: (301) 445-1075 | FUSION | | Prometheus II Ltd., College Park, MD 20740-0222 | this | | pmk@prometheus.UUCP; ..seismo!prometheus!pmk.UUCP | decade | +-------------------------------------------------------+--------+