Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site mit-hermes.ARPA Path: utzoo!linus!philabs!cmcl2!seismo!harvard!think!mit-eddie!mit-hermes!daemon From: daemon@mit-hermes.ARPA (The devil himself) Newsgroups: net.philosophy Subject: philosophy Message-ID: <2445@mit-hermes.ARPA> Date: Tue, 6-Aug-85 15:49:27 EDT Article-I.D.: mit-herm.2445 Posted: Tue Aug 6 15:49:27 1985 Date-Received: Fri, 9-Aug-85 02:30:35 EDT Organization: The MIT AI Lab, Cambridge, MA Lines: 30 From ROBCHRJ%YALEVMX.BITNET@Berkeley Tue Aug 6 15:49:11 1985 Received: from UCB-VAX.ARPA (ucb-vax.arpa.ARPA) by MIT-HERMES.ARPA (4.12/4.8) id AA26583; Tue, 6 Aug 85 15:49:11 edt Received: from ucbjade.CC.Berkeley.ARPA (ucbjade.ARPA) by UCB-VAX.ARPA (4.24/5.3) id AA03505; Tue, 6 Aug 85 12:47:49 pdt Received: from UCBVAX.ARPA by ucbjade.CC.Berkeley.ARPA (4.19/4.36.2) id AA14407; Tue, 6 Aug 85 12:47:30 pdt Date: Tue, 6 Aug 85 12:47:28 pdt From: ROBCHRJ%YALEVMX.BITNET@Berkeley Message-Id: <8508061947.AA14407@ucbjade.CC.Berkeley.ARPA> Apparently-To:References: <1364@pyuxd.UUCP> > I must be a horrible person for trying to ensure that when two people use a > term in a conversation, they are both talking about the same thing. Bad, > bad Rich! No more dragging out definitions. . . Obviously, I've been misunderstood. My point was that we've all understood Rich's objections to the concept of absolute free will for quite some time. It is clear that Rich and Paul Torek and others are not discussing the same thing. It might be helpful to terminate this endless debate by conceding a victory - (of sorts) to Rich by abandoning the terminology he objects to. That's all... Chris Roberson Calhoun College, Yale University ---- Vienne la nuit Sonne l'heure Les jours s'en vont Je demeure