Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site mit-vax.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!philabs!cmcl2!seismo!harvard!think!mit-eddie!mit-vax!csdf From: csdf@mit-vax.UUCP (Charles Forsythe) Newsgroups: net.origins Subject: Re: catastrophic evolution - reply to Bill Jefferys Message-ID: <565@mit-vax.UUCP> Date: Wed, 7-Aug-85 16:18:56 EDT Article-I.D.: mit-vax.565 Posted: Wed Aug 7 16:18:56 1985 Date-Received: Sun, 11-Aug-85 03:32:59 EDT References: <365@imsvax.UUCP> Reply-To: csdf@mit-vax.UUCP (Charles Forsythe) Organization: MIT, Cambridge, MA Lines: 158 I realize that Ted Holden is merely as facet of my own subconscious, created only for my amusement, by I am forced to respond anyway. In article <365@imsvax.UUCP> ted@imsvax.UUCP (Ted Holden) writes: > I don't normally reply to responses to my own >articles on the net; That is because you do not really exist, by that's okay! >>These days, debates between Creationists and >>Evolutionists are regularly won by evolutionists. > Where? When? I read one is Scientific American magazine about four years ago. The creationist really got smashed. Honest. > I wouldn't feel > good about publishing in a journal "refereed" by > "scientists" in the case of the creation-evolution > debate. Yeah, you might be subjected to FAIRNESS! > I would prefer well attended debates with > members of the press present as was the case in > Roanoke. The press has never been known for its scientific accuracy in anything. >>Groups of humans with six fingers are known. The trait >>breeds true. There is one such group in (I believe) >>Appalachia. > > Like I said, these people are fortunate to be > living in the 20'th century. Being burned at the > stake was never much fun. Actually, the tribe mentioned is in the Himalayas where they have never burned anybody at the stake for witchcraft. Not everybody grew up with the same pea-brained western culture you did. > Mr. Jefferys > will sooner or later have to account for the > pteratorn's extinction as well. The pteratorn was > a 200 lb. golden eagle with a 30 foot wingspan. Hmmmmm. I think it might have trouble finding something to eat. >>Really? And what mechanism do you propose to change >>the force of gravity on the earth? > > I can forgive Mr. Jefferys for this one. This one > involves a radical departure from present > thinking. And present fact as well! Very amusing! Well done! > I have actually > seen books which state that pterosaurs and > pteratorns climbed up mountains and then glided > down again, a hell of a hard way to have to make a > living. That might explain why they died. > archaic world will sound strange; remember, there > was a time when cars and trains seemed strange, and > a time when forks seemed strange to the English > nobility. And now science seems strange to educated people. How odd. > They described the sky as the primeval watery >abyss. The first paragraph of Genesis refers to the sky >as a firmamemt built to separate the waters above from >the waters below. The great hymns to Osiris in the >Egyptian Book of the Dead refer to Osiris as having >fashioned man and the primeval watery abyss of the sky. >Nearly identical language concerning the sky can be >found in Snorri Sturleson's Prose Edda, not because of >any early contacts between Skandanavia and Egypt, but >because these peoples obviously saw the same sky. These >stories are fragments of racial memory, bits and pieces >of a picture which can be put together with just a >little bit of effort. The Book of the Subgenius describes shopping malls as an attempt to subvert a super-race of beings that will come to life in 1998. I find that a little easier to swallow. > Prior to the flood, we were a planet of Saturns. >This sounds crazy at first, I've read it twice and it still sounds crazy. >Saturn directly, and we hung perilously close to the >small star. Saturn's a planet. >You haven't heard of the ultrasaur, >you say? The people at Penn State apparently have >acquired him rather recently. No, the CREATIONISTS at Penn State acquired him. Of course, they will immediately send it up to their doubting colleagues at Harvard and it will be lost in the mail. > Why couldn't a 200 lb. bird fly? I suppose for the same reason a ten ton jet can't fly. > The heiroglyphs for Ra, Atum, Osiris etc., names at >various time periods for the elder god of Egypt, are >basically just pictures of a star inside a ring, >pictures of Saturn. Wrongo. The dot inside the ring represented the Sun, specifically. A ring without a dot was the moon. Any self-respecting symbol dictionary will tell you that. The symbol for Saturn is radically different. >Usually the ringed star sits on >either a pyramid shaped mound or, as in the case of the >loop at the top of the ankh symbol, atop the Egyptian >symbol for a pillar or structural support. Actually, the circle in the ankh represented the female moon goddess, fertility of the sky, and the cross represented the earth, terrestrial fertility. The ankh never had anything to do with saturn. >page 250 "..thou risest, coming forth from the god Nu. > Thou hast come with thy splendors and thou > hast made heaven and earth bright with thy > rays of PURE EMERALD LIGHT" >page 251 "...thou dost arise in the horizon of heaven > and shed upon the world beams of emerald > light;..." > >page 254 "..Through thee the world waxeth green before > the might of Neb-er tcher.... Thy body is of > gold, thy head of azure, and emerald light > encircleth thee.." > > The pictures of Osiris in human form on the pyramid >walls were, of course, green. This is metaphorical, or do you insist Saturn burned green? The green light was Aural in nature, a spiritual and unseen force. The green symbolize growth and love. Stay away from shopping malls. -- Charles Forsythe CSDF@MIT-VAX "I was going to say something really profound, but I forgot what it was." -Rev. Wang Zeep