Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site mgwess.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!mhuxn!ihnp4!mgnetp!mgwess!plw From: plw@mgwess.UUCP (Pete Wilson) Newsgroups: net.abortion Subject: Re: "rights" to life, and a question Message-ID: <14942@mgwess.UUCP> Date: Sun, 18-Aug-85 00:45:43 EDT Article-I.D.: mgwess.14942 Posted: Sun Aug 18 00:45:43 1985 Date-Received: Tue, 20-Aug-85 20:30:43 EDT References: <661@ttidcc.UUCP> <14939@mgwess.UUCP> <396@mhuxr.UUCP> Reply-To: plw@mgwess.UUCP (Wilson,Pete,PL) Organization: AT&T Information Systems - Montgomery Illinois Lines: 62 Summary: In article <396@mhuxr.UUCP> mfs@mhuxr.UUCP (SIMON) writes: > >Ah yes, the "responsibility" argument. Exactly. > But why should not women have the >right to reproductive freedom *and* guilt-free pleasurable sex. They do. > Men have >the option to walk away after sex, never to be heard from again (some do.) >The woman,of course, has no such alternative. Really? Ever hear of condoms, diaphragms, IUD's, vasectomies, rhythm method, etc.? > So your argument, in effect, >reduces to: the slut knew what she was getting into (or vice versa :-) >so let her live with the results. Your words, not mine. I don't remember doing any name-calling. > How dehumanizing. Would you also establish >the father's legal responsibility to this child? Don't have to, it's already been done. > Would you spend the >dollars necessary to enforce such a responsibility. I'd much rather spend the dollars on that than on UNNECESSARY abortions. > >The essence of the abortion debate is tied to a feminist issue: are women >going to have the control of their bodies and equal to sexual pleasure >or is a male dominated society going to retain that control? Seems to me there are NO laws which restrict a woman's right to use conception prevention methods or to say no (except in some backward places where 'conjugal rights' supercede the woman's rights). > Much of >the argument against abortion is of the "greater good" variety, in >which the woman becomes a mere instrument for the fetus. Again, subordination. Men did not create women - blame either evolution or God. I'm sorry that you feel it is 'dehumanizing' or 'subordinate' that women are the ones who get pregnant. I think it is unfair also - both sexes should be able to bear the young and EQUALLY share the responsibility. However, that isn't the way it is or the way it's going to be in the near future. >I see that as nonsense. > >Marcel Simon Pete Wilson AT&T IS CGBS Montgomery Works ..!ihnp4!mgnetp!mgwess!plw