Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 (Denver Mods 7/26/84) 6/24/83; site drutx.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!mhuxt!houxm!mtuxo!drutx!karla From: karla@drutx.UUCP (RikansrudKB) Newsgroups: net.women Subject: men dominate net.women (flame-ish) Message-ID: <175@drutx.UUCP> Date: Thu, 15-Aug-85 13:35:14 EDT Article-I.D.: drutx.175 Posted: Thu Aug 15 13:35:14 1985 Date-Received: Sun, 18-Aug-85 01:30:08 EDT Organization: AT&T Information Systems Laboratories, Denver Lines: 67 After ignoring most this newsgroup for a while, because of the plethora of male-submitted, uninteresting articles, I decided to go through some articles and tally up the submitters. This resulted in some interesting statistics: Of the first 141 articles: 41 were from women 100 were from men Thinking this was rather phenomenal, I did the same thing to the next 142 articles, this time: 34 were from women 108 were from men Don't you men think this is a little peculiar? Do you all think that each little passing thought is *so* insightful/unique/clever /whatever that you *must* post each one to the net? SPARE US! Stream of consciousness is not appropriate for this forum. The subjects being discussed are also interesting: rape/clothing/and asking for it, arranged Indian marriages where it's consistently the 'girl' and the 'man' being discussed, pronouns, and most recently and most amusingly, men (programmers, students, and engineers, not MDs) writing about PMS! GIVE ME A BREAK!! What is this, Intro to Women's Liberation, 101?? Why don't *most* of you guys get some basic women's issues/liberation 1985 knowledge from your local women's bookstore/coalition, and quit cluttering up the net with your poorly thought out comments? (Some of you really say some silly things sometimes.) With less of this juvenile 101 discussion we could *all* spend more time on more useful discussion like: parenting, breast cancer treatments, child care, working situations, other women's health issues, women still earning $0.52 for every $1.00 a man earns, a woman's right to her body, etc. With the exception of Adreienne, Moira, Jeanette, Sophic, S. Badian, Sunny, and a few others, very few women submit to this group. I think many women read it, (or would read it) but don't want to get involved in these often trivial discussions (like myself). Plus, many of you guys come off as if you'd chew them up and spit them out. (Some of you are often *truely* unkind.) I'm sure I will receive a lot of flames for this ungenteel submission, but I couldn't keep quiet about male monopolization any more. I am *not* saying that men have no right to write to this newsgroup (or quietly read it and not respond). (Men *are* 47% of the population and have more jobs in this industry than women and more power in the world. They play a big part in women's lives, issues, and problems.) I am saying: spend a little more time thinking and absorbing and observing, and less time reacting with a quickly written retort. I am saying: lighten up and quit taking your every thought so seriously. (A bet: that most of the flames I get as a response to this posting are from just those men I'm talking about, and that the articles of support will come from the men I'm not talking about and from some women.) As has been said recently (by a man with insight), there is no net.men because men dominate *all* of the newsgroups. (Why do you suppose net.women.only and a private women's mailing list were started?) Please give us a break and dominate everything else, but not this newsgroup! Thanks. Very Sincerely, Karla Rikansrud AT&T Information Systems 11900 N Pecos, Denver, CO 80234 drutx!karla