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From: shebs@bcsaic.UUCP (stan shebs)
Newsgroups: net.women
Subject: Re: men dominate net.women (flame-ish)
Message-ID: <232@bcsaic.UUCP>
Date: Thu, 22-Aug-85 16:44:01 EDT
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Posted: Thu Aug 22 16:44:01 1985
Date-Received: Sun, 25-Aug-85 13:18:54 EDT
References: <175@drutx.UUCP> <231@whuts.UUCP> <2674@sun.uucp>
Reply-To: shebs@bcsaic.UUCP (stan shebs)
Organization: Boeing Computer Services AI Center, Seattle
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Summary: 

I'll try to be avoid being contentious, and just ask a couple
of questions:

In article <2674@sun.uucp> sunny@sun.uucp (Ms. Sunny Kirsten) writes:
>
>You see, Andy... in this forum, women don't want to prove anything.  We
>don't want to *have* to prove anything.  And everytime men enter the
>forum, it becomes a game of domination, rightness, superiority, power.
>And that is why there are so few women posting in this forum.  Because
>the kind of communication which is cooperative and sharing, the kind
>which comes naturally to women, is impossible whenever the men join in
>too.
>
>
>POWER over other humans serves no constructive ends.
>only COOPERATION can be constructive.
>
>HATRED, ANGER, DOMINANCE will destroy this planet.
>LOVE, CARING, NUTURING, SHARING, and LETTING GO of POWER
>are the only pathways which will support or enhance life.
>
>It's not that I hate men, or that there's something wrong with the male sex.
>It's dominant and powerhungry individuals who are the problem... (Andy)
>It's the males with an overdose of agression producing testosterone,
>who are causing the biggest of problems in the world.
>
>			Sunny

My question: how did this situation come to be?  Is the aggressive
behavior of males 1) an evolutionary screwup, or 2) is there some value
in such behavior?  Or (as seems more likely) 3) is the aggression something
that had survival value once upon a time, but is now harmful?

If alternatives are 1) or 3), the human race is basically doomed (unless
some new method of reproduction becomes standard).  If 2), then we
put up with it with the situation or die.

I suppose that some sort of massive restructuring of the race can be
done, but how is one to kill off the aggressive men in a non-aggressive
fashion?  Should people be bred for nonaggressiveness?  (I assume that
since the problem is said to be testosterone, not any cultural thing,
that a biological solution is required)  Presumably free enterprise
of any sort is out (since it involves competition)?  Socialism can only
work in the absence of desires for scarce things - would a socialist
state of women really be successful?

						Trying not to be contentious,
						(but probably failing)
						stan shebs
						bcsaic!shebs