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From: norman@lasspvax.UUCP (Norman Ramsey)
Newsgroups: net.women
Subject: Re: Re: Re RAPE, etc.../ "provocative" dress
Message-ID: <438@lasspvax.UUCP>
Date: Tue, 6-Aug-85 18:59:59 EDT
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Posted: Tue Aug  6 18:59:59 1985
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Reply-To: norman@lasspvax.UUCP (Norman Ramsey)
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In article <1656@mnetor.UUCP> sophie@mnetor.UUCP (Sophie Quigley) writes:
>Women on the net, for the sake of humanity, when you read the kind of
>bullshit underneath, try to think of all the *nice* *caring* men that
>you know.  They exist.  I am very glad I know enough of them because if
>my first contact with men had been from reading net.women, I think I
>would have become a man-hater a long time ago.  Geez!  where do these
>guys come from?   Thank god for the real world outside of the net!
>
>Men on the net, how can you let jerks like all the ones in this
>newsgroup speak for you like that?  I am serious when I am saying that
>the more I read the net, the more I believe that nothing much has
>changed in the relationships between the sexes.  Please, prove me
>wrong!

I'll speak for myself at least, saying that in some sense I feel powerless
to affect what's going on. I don't know what to do about sexism in my own
community, let alone on the net.

One thing I have noticed (being new here) is that there is a tremendous
amount of hate on the net. I don't think net.women is special in this regard
(try reading net.philosophy sometime; it's the worst I've seen). One guy
pinted ot a week or so ago that it's hard to get answers to a request for
information, but just say something wrong and fifty people will flame you.

I have a lot of ideas why there sould be so much immaturity and hatred on
the net, but net.women doesn't seem the right place to discuss them.
-- 
Norman Ramsey
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