Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 2/2/84; site ltuxa.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!philabs!cmcl2!seismo!lll-crg!dual!qantel!ihnp4!mgnetp!ltuxa!jmh From: jmh@ltuxa.UUCP (cecw 64lt503310-Jon Mcecw) Newsgroups: net.sport.baseball Subject: Poll Results and other schtuff Message-ID: <321@ltuxa.UUCP> Date: Fri, 9-Aug-85 09:12:40 EDT Article-I.D.: ltuxa.321 Posted: Fri Aug 9 09:12:40 1985 Date-Received: Tue, 13-Aug-85 01:35:49 EDT Organization: Corp Ed Cen AT&T Technologies - Lisle, Ill Lines: 42 The poll on the strike is still going on, and the responses arre still coming in, so I will wait a while to post the results. Last night, for all that missed the game, I saw my first live triple play (on TV) as the Cubs were blasted by St. Louis 8-0. Runners on 1st and 2nd, Pendleton (St. Louis) lines to Durham at 1st. Durham fires to Speier at second, but unbeknownst to everyone, the second base ump (correctly) calls safe as Speier was off the bag. Speier immediately fires back to Durham trying for what he thinks is the third out at first, buit the ball hits the runner (Van Slyke) in the helmet and skips off to the outfield side. Van Slyke hits first and motors for 2nd as Jack Clark, the original runner on 2nd wanders aimlessly around 2nd. Van Slyke passes Clark, and becomes the second out. Speier has words with the ump at 2nd and finally determines that Van Slyke was just called out and Clark is still a legitimate runner. Clark again wanders off 2nd toward third or the dugout or something. Sandberg, who has tracked down the ball, throws to Speier who now gets Clark in a pickle, and two throws later Clark becomes the third out. The play takes 28 seconds to complete which might be a record for a triple play. You can't beat fun... In regards to the David Rubin mega-comments: One thing I don't see (in Pena-Carter Arguments 1985) is that to be a legitimate statistic, it cannot reflect ANY teammate interaction. I don't buy that. Mr. Rubin states that for example, RBI's, Runs, and Batting average are somewhat meaningless but on base percentage and slugging percentage aren't. Well, teammates affect walks (e.g. Coleman gets on base in front of you, or first base is open, etc.) I suppose one could say, and let's face it , it is a team sport. So to only look at stats that are "individual" seems a bit simplistic. I personally would rather have a Carter than a Pena, but even with all the stats produced, I don't think anyone could give a DEFINITIVE answer to who is better. Well, I'l post the results to the poll soon. Until we meet again, Jon Hanrath ihnp4!ltuxa!jmh