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> I must be a horrible person for trying to ensure that when two people use a
> term in a conversation, they are both talking about the same thing.  Bad,
> bad Rich!  No more dragging out definitions. . .

Obviously, I've been misunderstood.  My point was that we've all understood
Rich's objections to the concept of absolute free will for quite some time.  It
is clear that Rich and Paul Torek and others are not discussing the same thing.
It might be helpful to terminate this endless debate by conceding a victory    -
(of sorts) to Rich by abandoning the terminology he objects to.  That's all...

Chris Roberson    
Calhoun College, Yale University
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