Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/17/84; site hao.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!philabs!cmcl2!seismo!hao!woods From: woods@hao.UUCP (Greg Woods) Newsgroups: net.news,net.news.group Subject: Re: Newsgroup creations and deletions Message-ID: <1694@hao.UUCP> Date: Mon, 12-Aug-85 16:11:21 EDT Article-I.D.: hao.1694 Posted: Mon Aug 12 16:11:21 1985 Date-Received: Wed, 14-Aug-85 04:02:25 EDT References: <725@vortex.UUCP> <1352@cbosgd.UUCP> <1438@islenet.UUCP> <3091@nsc.UUCP> <1735@saber.UUCP> Organization: High Altitude Obs./NCAR, Boulder CO Lines: 30 Xref: linus net.news:3006 net.news.group:2789 > I feel the net powers are using the BOF meeting to cover there rears. > When Mark Horton first mentioned the BOF I thought "What BOF?". We > didn't discuss this at Portland while I was in the BOF. It wasn't > discussed after I left the BOF either or Lauren would know about it. > He was running the damn thing. Then it struck me. Hey! We talked > about rmgrouping net.general at the Salt Lake City Usenix. Good grief, > that was over a year ago. Come on guys be real. It's worse than that, actually. Not all of us are fortunate enough to be able to attend every USENIX conference. I've been on the net (and been a regular contributor) for over 4 years now, and have only gotten to go to two USENIX meetings, one mostly funded by my own pocket (I was visiting friends in Dallas and NCAR paid only for my conference registration). BOF's should be considered the same as a PRIVATE meeting. Anything discussed at a BOF should be presented to the net BEFORE implementation. I would like to add my own appreciation for the work Chuq, Mark, Spaf et al. are doing. It's a lot of hours for no pay. I also have no objections to having them implement minor decisions without consulting the net (go ahead and NUKE net.wobegon, Chuq... :-). But when you're talking about something as major as nuking net.general, I really should have a chance to have a say in it before I read the announcement of same on the net, even if I didn't make it to the BOF where it was discussed. I also do not see anything wrong with the net at large making suggestions about what the wizards should do. Just because the wizards are putting in lots of time voluntarily shouldn't prevent us from questioning some of the things they do. It would help if people didn't FLAME them. You could just say "I think that's a bad idea" instead of "where do you get off...". A little consideration from both "sides" is in order. --Greg