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Subject: Re: Re: meta-physics
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Date: Wed, 7-Aug-85 21:00:00 EDT
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Posted: Wed Aug  7 21:00:00 1985
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>    Physics studies the "physical universe" ONLY.
>    
>    Metaphysics  relates to the total universe.  
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>    We experience (measure) the "physical universe" and note the unfolding changes
>    (time).   But we logically know that three space implies a two and a one
>    dimensional space.  If information exists there it can't be (or interact with)
>    "matter", simply because it doesn't have volume.  But, perhaps the information
>    or matter of our world resulted from a decay of a quantity of information
>    normally confined to two space.  Voila! the big bang.  And we do need a
>    place for souls and the animal version "angels".  And what about God, let
>    us put him in one dimensional space and give him a density so great that
>    time passes at a zero rate or better the spread of his present is infinite.
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I am cautious of such statements as these,perhaps out of historical
evidence rather than empirical evidence.  Because we cannot DETECT it
(whatever the IT may be per the particular discussion) does not imply
it is not a part of the physical universe.  How long have atoms, molecules,
electrons, nutrons, and protons been a part of the physical universe?
Ever since the universe began.  However, it is only recently (in the span
of man's time, that the existence of such has been acknowledged.
If we all said "Seeing is believing", much of our technology thought impossible
years ago would still be impossible.  But some have been daring
enough to dream (going to the moon!??!) and differ with current
thought so as to learn what was there to learn.  Because we cannot yet 
understand
mental powers (or is "abilities" more appropriate) does not mean they are
non-existent, and more so, does not imply they are not part of the
"physical" universe.  Quite the contrary. If they exist, they are part
of it.  My thoughts as an individual are indeed a very integral part of
this universe.  They are able to bring changes to physical matter (what about
using a nuclear weapon - someone's mind devised it).  We simply do not yet
have the total integrated psychophysical understanding to
explain it all.  THOUGHT --> CONCEPT  --> ACTION = PHYSICAL IMPACT.We have much to learn about the interrelationship of mind and matter.

Personally, I do not believe the two are separable until death.  Then my
being ceases to have an impact from the thought level on the physical universe.
The other is for net.religion.  Let us not be quick to boot out ideas that
are new, though different.  I saw some references to Einstein saying though
he was "adventurous" in his thoughts, others could verify his
arguments.  Not so.  His ideas were rejected by the "scientific community"
for years before they accepted them.  None the less, he continued.  Let us
be careful to remember history so we avoid the mistakes of the past -- even
in physics.

  --  Steve