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From: williams@kirk.DEC (John Williams 223-3402)
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Subject: OK, that's enough.
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Date: Thu, 15-Aug-85 11:52:58 EDT
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	Well, Rich, I guess you *CAN* argue your way out of a paper bag.

However, I'm afraid I'm not interested in discovering you intellectual
superiority. You can argue and assure yourself that none of what we
have been trying to tell you for months exists, and you can feel
confident in your own mind that you understand and can describe
objective reality, but from what I can see, you have learned nothing.

	I was not questioning the theories you presented, and as a matter
of fact, I think that they hold a certain amount of validity, I UNDERSTAND
WHAT YOU THINK. I just think you're trying to alter the language to
promote YOURSELF.

	In other words, you represent someone with a small idea,

			AND A BIG MOUTH.

	I guess that any sort of concession is just too hard a blow
to your ego. We were not discussing ideals or theories anymore, we
were talking about the fundamental limits of communication, and you
are a prime example of someone who has allowed communication to
break down. One of your disclaimers states that public consensus
dictates what reality is, well, try this one, PUBLIC CONSENSUS DETERMINES
LANGUAGE.

	All you have really accomplished is to isolate yourself from
everyone else. I no longer know what you're talking about. I try to be
flexible, and you try to exploit it. My patience has run out.

						John Williams

	I fail to understand why you use the key to the universe
to lock yourself in a cage.