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From: jmh@ltuxa.UUCP (cecw 64lt503310-Jon Mcecw)
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Subject: Poll Results and other schtuff
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Date: Fri, 9-Aug-85 09:12:40 EDT
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Posted: Fri Aug  9 09:12:40 1985
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The poll on the strike is still going on, and the responses arre still 
coming in, so I will wait a while to post the results.

Last night, for all that missed the game, I saw my first live triple
play (on TV) as the Cubs were blasted by St. Louis 8-0.  Runners on
1st and 2nd, Pendleton (St. Louis) lines to Durham at 1st.  Durham
fires to Speier at second, but unbeknownst to everyone, the second base
ump (correctly) calls safe as Speier was off the bag.  Speier immediately
fires back to Durham trying for what he thinks is the third out
at first, buit the ball hits the runner (Van Slyke) in the helmet and
skips off to the outfield side.  Van Slyke hits first and motors for
2nd as Jack Clark, the original runner on 2nd wanders aimlessly around
2nd.  Van Slyke passes Clark, and becomes the second out.  Speier has
words with the ump at 2nd and finally determines that Van Slyke was just
called out and Clark is still a legitimate runner.  Clark again wanders
off 2nd toward third or the dugout or something.  Sandberg, who has tracked
down the ball, throws to Speier who now gets Clark in a pickle, and two
throws later Clark becomes the third out.  The play takes 28 seconds to
complete which might be a record for a triple play.  You can't beat fun...

In regards to the David Rubin mega-comments:

One thing I don't see (in Pena-Carter Arguments 1985) is that to be
a legitimate statistic, it cannot reflect ANY teammate interaction.
I don't buy that.  Mr. Rubin states that for example, RBI's, Runs, 
and Batting average are somewhat meaningless but on base percentage
and slugging percentage aren't.  Well, teammates affect walks (e.g.
Coleman gets on base in front of you, or first base is open, etc.)
I suppose one could say, and let's face it , it is a team sport.  So
to only look at stats that are "individual" seems a bit simplistic.

I personally would rather have a Carter than a Pena, but even with
all the stats produced, I don't think anyone could give a DEFINITIVE
answer to who is better.

Well, I'l post the results to the poll soon.

Until we meet again,

Jon Hanrath
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