Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site decwrl.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!mhuxn!ihnp4!ucbvax!decwrl!williams@kirk.DEC (John Williams 223-3402) From: williams@kirk.DEC (John Williams 223-3402) Newsgroups: net.philosophy Subject: OK, that's enough. Message-ID: <3657@decwrl.UUCP> Date: Thu, 15-Aug-85 11:52:58 EDT Article-I.D.: decwrl.3657 Posted: Thu Aug 15 11:52:58 1985 Date-Received: Sun, 18-Aug-85 03:21:30 EDT Sender: daemon@decwrl.UUCP Organization: Digital Equipment Corp., Palo Alto, CA Lines: 34 Well, Rich, I guess you *CAN* argue your way out of a paper bag. However, I'm afraid I'm not interested in discovering you intellectual superiority. You can argue and assure yourself that none of what we have been trying to tell you for months exists, and you can feel confident in your own mind that you understand and can describe objective reality, but from what I can see, you have learned nothing. I was not questioning the theories you presented, and as a matter of fact, I think that they hold a certain amount of validity, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU THINK. I just think you're trying to alter the language to promote YOURSELF. In other words, you represent someone with a small idea, AND A BIG MOUTH. I guess that any sort of concession is just too hard a blow to your ego. We were not discussing ideals or theories anymore, we were talking about the fundamental limits of communication, and you are a prime example of someone who has allowed communication to break down. One of your disclaimers states that public consensus dictates what reality is, well, try this one, PUBLIC CONSENSUS DETERMINES LANGUAGE. All you have really accomplished is to isolate yourself from everyone else. I no longer know what you're talking about. I try to be flexible, and you try to exploit it. My patience has run out. John Williams I fail to understand why you use the key to the universe to lock yourself in a cage.